Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard

[Randy Larson via Phono-L]

West Salem Wisconsin, thanks
Randy

On Apr 14, 2017 7:42 PM, "Ward Sandstrom via Phono-L" 
wrote:

Where is the machine located
Thanks

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On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Randy Larson via Phono-L 
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I sincerely apologize for my poor eyesight, I was convinced this was an E,
but putting my flashlight on it, it was clearly an FYI, I'm so sorry for
the controversy. Here are the serial numbers and Model number, the flash of
my camera making it clearer.

<20170414_102201.jpg>

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard

[Ward Sandstrom via Phono-L]

Where is the machine located
Thanks

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> On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Randy Larson via Phono-L  
> wrote:
> 
> I sincerely apologize for my poor eyesight, I was convinced this was an E, 
> but putting my flashlight on it, it was clearly an FYI, I'm so sorry for the 
> controversy. Here are the serial numbers and Model number, the flash of my 
> camera making it clearer. 
> 
> <20170414_102201.jpg>
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard question - ebay

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[Phono-L] Edison standard Bed plate right carriage rod loop repair

[Bill Taney]

Is it at all possible to repair a bed plate that then eyelet for the carriage 
rod is broken. The bedplate is in otherwise good condition? Or is it just 
ruined. 

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model

[clockworkhome]

Greetings Bill:

I believe you have a B motor in an A cabinet.  It is essentially the same motor 
so it can be swapped between the two models.  The difference was the threaded 
crank on the B and the B had a short knurled screw for the speed knob.  The 
threaded hole for the speed control is identical to both.  The rubber grommets 
of the A and springs of the B both fit the mounting holes on the motor frame.  
When ICS B Standards were made they simply put a hole in the bedplate for the 
longer speed control shaft of the Standard A.   The Standard B made for ICS was 
the only ones that should have the hole and above the bedplate speed knob.

Edison went to the Standard B Model around serial 245000.  If your machine were 
just before that I might suggest that it was factory installed but at 178813 
that is way too early for a threaded crank.  It very much sounds like a kitchen 
table conglomerate which Edison machines are prone to.  I always ask for the 
motor number when Triumphs are on eBay.  Often I find a nice Model A Triumph 
with a much later motor *and* with a screw on crank, not the square drive.  For 
many years it was easier for slap dash repairmen to simply swap out motors 
rather than repair the broken spring, another example of interchangeable parts 
on Edison machines being a positive and a negative together.  In most every 
case the machine is advertised as 'unmolested' or some other term to indicate 
it is all original.  With Edison you have to sometimes give a closer look to be 
sure.

Regards,

Al

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model

[Bill Taney]

S178813

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On Mar 4, 2012, at 9:55 AM, john robles  wrote:

> Bill, what's the serial number?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bill Taney 
> To: Antique Phonograph List  
> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
> 
> Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed
> control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a
> threaded crank.
> Bill
> 
> 
> On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the
>> printer missed some text.  I don't think it appeared when George did the
>> expanded Companion book.
>> 
>> The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement.  The motor was held *up
>> against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen
>> vibration transmission.  The speed control was up through the bedplate on
>> top.  The cabinet is shorter than the later B.  All Model A Standards in
>> the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer.
>> 
>> The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement.  The motor was
>> *suspended on springs* from the bedplate.  Since the motor was lower, the
>> cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the
>> cabinet floor.  This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet
>> style.  The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not
>> extend about the bedplate.  The Model B Standard only had the banner
>> transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the
>> summer of '06.
>> 
>> The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the
>> bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line.  They did
>> this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed.
>> 
>> In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from
>> George and immediately began editing.  I called George a few days later
>> with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley
>> proof.  As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing
>> from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person
>> responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake.  The most
>> common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears
>> nowhere in the book as a picture.  And, now you know the rest of the
>> story.
>> 
>> Regards to all,
>> 
>> Al
>> 
>> PS:  Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen
>> table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so
>> many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years.
>> eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a
>> Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit,
>> and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals.  How
>> sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning
>> missive.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model

[john robles]

Bill, what's the serial number?




 From: Bill Taney 
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Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
 
Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed
control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a
threaded crank.
Bill


On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com"  wrote:

>
>
>When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the
>printer missed some text.  I don't think it appeared when George did the
>expanded Companion book.
>
>The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement.  The motor was held *up
>against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen
>vibration transmission.  The speed control was up through the bedplate on
>top.  The cabinet is shorter than the later B.  All Model A Standards in
>the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer.
>
>The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement.  The motor was
>*suspended on springs* from the bedplate.  Since the motor was lower, the
>cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the
>cabinet floor.  This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet
>style.  The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not
>extend about the bedplate.  The Model B Standard only had the banner
>transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the
>summer of '06.
>
>The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the
>bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line.  They did
>this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed.
>
>In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from
>George and immediately began editing.  I called George a few days later
>with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley
>proof.  As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing
>from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person
>responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake.  The most
>common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears
>nowhere in the book as a picture.  And, now you know the rest of the
>story.
>
>Regards to all,
>
>Al
>
>PS:  Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen
>table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so
>many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years.
>eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a
>Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit,
>and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals.  How
>sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning
>missive.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model

[john robles]

Sounds like a marriage of an A case and B motor except for the speed control. 
Maybe the winding shaft was replaced?? I'd like to see pics!

John




 From: Bill Taney 
To: Antique Phonograph List  
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
 
Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed
control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a
threaded crank.
Bill


On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com"  wrote:

>
>
>When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the
>printer missed some text.  I don't think it appeared when George did the
>expanded Companion book.
>
>The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement.  The motor was held *up
>against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen
>vibration transmission.  The speed control was up through the bedplate on
>top.  The cabinet is shorter than the later B.  All Model A Standards in
>the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer.
>
>The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement.  The motor was
>*suspended on springs* from the bedplate.  Since the motor was lower, the
>cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the
>cabinet floor.  This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet
>style.  The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not
>extend about the bedplate.  The Model B Standard only had the banner
>transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the
>summer of '06.
>
>The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the
>bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line.  They did
>this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed.
>
>In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from
>George and immediately began editing.  I called George a few days later
>with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley
>proof.  As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing
>from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person
>responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake.  The most
>common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears
>nowhere in the book as a picture.  And, now you know the rest of the
>story.
>
>Regards to all,
>
>Al
>
>PS:  Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen
>table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so
>many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years.
>eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a
>Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit,
>and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals.  How
>sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning
>missive.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model

[Bill Taney]

Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed
control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a
threaded crank.
Bill


On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com"  wrote:

>
>
>When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the
>printer missed some text.  I don't think it appeared when George did the
>expanded Companion book.
>
>The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement.  The motor was held *up
>against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen
>vibration transmission.  The speed control was up through the bedplate on
>top.  The cabinet is shorter than the later B.  All Model A Standards in
>the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer.
>
>The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement.  The motor was
>*suspended on springs* from the bedplate.  Since the motor was lower, the
>cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the
>cabinet floor.  This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet
>style.  The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not
>extend about the bedplate.  The Model B Standard only had the banner
>transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the
>summer of '06.
>
>The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the
>bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line.  They did
>this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed.
>
>In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from
>George and immediately began editing.  I called George a few days later
>with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley
>proof.  As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing
>from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person
>responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake.  The most
>common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears
>nowhere in the book as a picture.  And, now you know the rest of the
>story.
>
>Regards to all,
>
>Al
>
>PS:  Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen
>table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so
>many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years.
>eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a
>Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit,
>and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals.  How
>sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning
>missive.
>
>
>
>
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model

[clockworkhome]

When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the printer 
missed some text.  I don't think it appeared when George did the expanded 
Companion book.

The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement.  The motor was held *up 
against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen vibration 
transmission.  The speed control was up through the bedplate on top.  The 
cabinet is shorter than the later B.  All Model A Standards in the 'new style 
cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer.

The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement.  The motor was *suspended on 
springs* from the bedplate.  Since the motor was lower, the cabinet had to be 
increased in height for motor clearance from the cabinet floor.  This brought 
about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet style.  The speed control was made 
into a simple screw that did not extend about the bedplate.  The Model B 
Standard only had the banner transfer for short time as the single word Edison 
replaced it in the summer of '06.

The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the bedplate all 
the way through the rest of the Standard line.  They did this to allow for 
adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed.

In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from George 
and immediately began editing.  I called George a few days later with my 
erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley proof.  As a 
result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing from that book and 
the idiot typesetter and page format person responsible for the Standard 
chapter never caught the mistake.  The most common Edison cylinder machine 
made, the Standard Model B, appears nowhere in the book as a picture.  And, now 
you know the rest of the story.

Regards to all,

Al

PS:  Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen table 
conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so many 
interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years.  eBay this 
last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a Standard B in an A 
cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, and a few other peculiar 
mutts, all listed as untouched originals.  How sad we cannot contact the buyers 
any longer to send them a warning missive.





 
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard motor board frame needed

[Peter Fraser]

Hi -

I need a replacement for a broken motorboard frame, for an Edison Standard.  
This is the wood frame to which the metal bedplate mounts, which hinges upward 
to allow motor access.  Anybody have a spare lying around?

Thanks,

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com



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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks for clearing that up for me! We have a repeater on our Triumph which is 
a completely different design. It is interesting to know they made one just for 
the language lessons.
Still doesn't help us find out what our mystery device is though.  
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Steve Andersen]

That is a repeating device which was supplied on International Correspondence 
Schools language machines. You would push down on the right side and it would 
lift and move the carriage back to repeat a phrase or word. It is different in 
design than your device.
On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

> I found the picture! This is not may machine but a picture of one from an 
> auction site. It is listed as having an auto stop and seems to have a very 
> similar one to mine. I hope this link will help someone out!
> Melissa
> 
> http://www.burchardgalleries.com/auctions/2002/sep2202/l021b.jpg   
> 
> 
> 
> From: Rich 
> To: Antique Phonograph List 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
> 
> There were many contemporary auto stop rigs. Someone on here should have 
> an idea of what is missing.
> 
> On 08/10/2011 07:05 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>> We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
>> screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very 
>> rusty and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a 
>> picture online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was 
>> very far away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to 
>> be holding the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another 
>> piece that our's is missing.
>> 
>> 
>> ____________
>> From: Rich
>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>> 
>> It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only
>> a guess.
>> 
>> On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>> Hi Rich,
>>> Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
>>> Melissa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Rich
>>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>>> 
>>> Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
>>> function is though.
>>> 
>>> On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>>> Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
>>>> should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
>>>> video. It is posted on YouTube.
>>>> 
>>>> Please email me if it doesn't work for you.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Rich
>>>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>>>> 
>>>> I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
>>>> Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>>>> Hi Rich,
>>>>> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. 
>>>>> I tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
>>>>> message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
>>>>> the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
>>>>> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
>>>>> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

I found the picture! This is not may machine but a picture of one from an 
auction site. It is listed as having an auto stop and seems to have a very 
similar one to mine. I hope this link will help someone out!
Melissa

http://www.burchardgalleries.com/auctions/2002/sep2202/l021b.jpg   



From: Rich 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

There were many contemporary auto stop rigs. Someone on here should have 
an idea of what is missing.

On 08/10/2011 07:05 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
> screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very rusty 
> and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a picture 
> online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was very far 
> away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to be holding 
> the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another piece that 
> our's is missing.
>
>
> 
> From: Rich
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>
> It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only
> a guess.
>
> On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>> Hi Rich,
>> Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
>> Melissa
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Rich
>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>>
>> Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
>> function is though.
>>
>> On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>> Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
>>> should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
>>> video. It is posted on YouTube.
>>>
>>> Please email me if it doesn't work for you.
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Rich
>>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>>>
>>> I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
>>> Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.
>>>
>>> On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>>> Hi Rich,
>>>> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. 
>>>> I tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
>>>> message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
>>>> the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
>>>> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
>>>> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks for your help! I hope someone on here will be able to tell what it is 
and what is missing. 



From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

There were many contemporary auto stop rigs. Someone on here should have 
an idea of what is missing.

On 08/10/2011 07:05 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
> screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very rusty 
> and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a picture 
> online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was very far 
> away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to be holding 
> the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another piece that 
> our's is missing.
>
>
> 
> From: Rich
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>
> It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only
> a guess.
>
> On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>> Hi Rich,
>> Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
>> Melissa
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Rich
>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>>
>> Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
>> function is though.
>>
>> On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>> Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
>>> should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
>>> video. It is posted on YouTube.
>>>
>>> Please email me if it doesn't work for you.
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Rich
>>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>>>
>>> I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
>>> Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.
>>>
>>> On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>>> Hi Rich,
>>>> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. 
>>>> I tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
>>>> message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
>>>> the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
>>>> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
>>>> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Rich]

There were many contemporary auto stop rigs. Someone on here should have 
an idea of what is missing.


On 08/10/2011 07:05 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very rusty 
and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a picture 
online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was very far 
away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to be holding 
the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another piece that 
our's is missing.



From: Rich
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only
a guess.

On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Hi Rich,
Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
Melissa



From: Rich
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
function is though.

On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you should 
be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the video. It is 
posted on YouTube.

Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

Thanks again!



From: Rich
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Hi Rich,
Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics and 
message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very rusty 
and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a picture 
online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was very far 
away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to be holding 
the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another piece that 
our's is missing. 



From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only 
a guess.

On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
> Melissa
>
>
> 
> From: Rich
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>
> Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
> function is though.
>
> On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>> Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
>> should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
>> video. It is posted on YouTube.
>>
>> Please email me if it doesn't work for you.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>>
>> ________
>> From: Rich
>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>>
>> I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
>> Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.
>>
>> On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>>> Hi Rich,
>>> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
>>> tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
>>> message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
>>> the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
>>> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
>>> Melissa
>>> ___
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>>> http://phono-l.org
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>>>
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Rich]

It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only 
a guess.


On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Hi Rich,
Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
Melissa



From: Rich
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
function is though.

On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you should 
be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the video. It is 
posted on YouTube.

Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

Thanks again!



From: Rich
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Hi Rich,
Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics and 
message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks!



From: harvey kravitz 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

Thank you for sharing the video. That was a great restoration on the machine.
Harvey Kravitz




From: Melissa Ricci 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

Hello Everyone,

We are still completely stumped with our apparent auto-stop attachment. We have 
taken a video of the machine playing so you can see where it sits as the 
machine functions. There are two close up pictures a the end of the video. 
Please let us know if the link does not work or if you know what this 
attachment is. 
Thanks so much!
Melissa and Nick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlmYvCWqXI   




From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
> tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
> that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics 
> and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Rich,
Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling! 
Melissa



From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the 
function is though.

On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
> should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
> video. It is posted on YouTube.
>
> Please email me if it doesn't work for you.
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
> 
> From: Rich
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?
>
> I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
> Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.
>
> On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>> Hi Rich,
>> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
>> tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
>> message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
>> the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
>> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
>> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

[harvey kravitz]

Thank you for sharing the video. That was a great restoration on the machine.
Harvey Kravitz




From: Melissa Ricci 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

Hello Everyone,

We are still completely stumped with our apparent auto-stop attachment. We have 
taken a video of the machine playing so you can see where it sits as the 
machine functions. There are two close up pictures a the end of the video. 
Please let us know if the link does not work or if you know what this 
attachment is. 
Thanks so much!
Melissa and Nick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlmYvCWqXI   




From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
> tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
> that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics 
> and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Rich]

Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the 
function is though.


On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you should 
be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the video. It is 
posted on YouTube.

Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

Thanks again!



From: Rich
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Hi Rich,
Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics and 
message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you should 
be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the video. It is 
posted on YouTube.

Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

Thanks again!



From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
> tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
> that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics 
> and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,

We are still completely stumped with our apparent auto-stop attachment. We have 
taken a video of the machine playing so you can see where it sits as the 
machine functions. There are two close up pictures a the end of the video. 
Please let us know if the link does not work or if you know what this 
attachment is. 
Thanks so much!
Melissa and Nick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlmYvCWqXI   




From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
> tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
> that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics 
> and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
> Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
> Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard carriage for model A or B

[harvey kravitz]

Hi Mike,
I won't be at CAPS this year. If you find one, let me know if it is for direct 
sale or trade.
All the best,
Harvey Kravitz




From: "mdsor...@aol.com" 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard carriage for model A or B

will you be at caps?  I am sure I could dig one up.  

Mike Sorter



-Original Message-
From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 5:17 am
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard carriage for model A or B



Hi Gang,
I am looking to trade a large reproducer carriage from a Standard Model A or B 
for a small sized carriage for the same. Even trade. If there is a small sized 
carriage for direct sale, I'd be interested.
Harvey Kravitz
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard carriage for model A or B

[mdsorter]

will you be at caps?  I am sure I could dig one up.  

Mike Sorter



-Original Message-
From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 5:17 am
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard carriage for model A or B



Hi Gang,
I am looking to trade a large reproducer carriage from a Standard Model A or B 
for a small sized carriage for the same. Even trade. If there is a small sized 
carriage for direct sale, I'd be interested.
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard carriage for model A or B

[harvey kravitz]

Hi Gang,
I am looking to trade a large reproducer carriage from a Standard Model A or B 
for a small sized carriage for the same. Even trade. If there is a small sized 
carriage for direct sale, I'd be interested.
Harvey Kravitz
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Sorry, I have attached the picture directly to this email. Hopefully that helps.
Thanks!
Melissa



From: Rich 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

Couple of problems. Links are mangled apparently and the site requires a 
login once link is patched.

On 08/06/2011 08:06 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Thank you for all the info on cleaning brown wax records! I also really 
> enjoyed
> reading Shawn's very interesting post. Thanks!
>
> We just finished restoring an Edison Standard Suitcase model A. When we
> purchased it at auction they said it had an automatic stop attachment which 
> can
> be seen on the front of the machine just covering the Edison signature. We
> thought we would figure out how it worked once it was all clean and the 
> machine
> was running properly. That time is now, and we can't seem to be able to get it
> to do anything.
>
> Does anyone have one of these or know how they work?
>
> Here are some links to pictures we posted of it on the Phonolist site.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/964312955/vi\
> ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/917405647/vi\
> ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Rich]

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.


On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Hi Rich,
Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message that 
they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics and message 
will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Rich,
Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics and 
message will be sent through when the moderator gets them. 
Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Rich]

Couple of problems. Links are mangled apparently and the site requires a 
login once link is patched.


On 08/06/2011 08:06 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

Hi Guys,

Thank you for all the info on cleaning brown wax records! I also really enjoyed
reading Shawn's very interesting post. Thanks!

We just finished restoring an Edison Standard Suitcase model A. When we
purchased it at auction they said it had an automatic stop attachment which can
be seen on the front of the machine just covering the Edison signature. We
thought we would figure out how it worked once it was all clean and the machine
was running properly. That time is now, and we can't seem to be able to get it
to do anything.

Does anyone have one of these or know how they work?

Here are some links to pictures we posted of it on the Phonolist site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/964312955/vi\
ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/917405647/vi\
ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Thanks!
Melissa and Nick
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Guys,

Thank you for all the info on cleaning brown wax records! I also really enjoyed
reading Shawn's very interesting post. Thanks!

We just finished restoring an Edison Standard Suitcase model A. When we
purchased it at auction they said it had an automatic stop attachment which can
be seen on the front of the machine just covering the Edison signature. We
thought we would figure out how it worked once it was all clean and the machine
was running properly. That time is now, and we can't seem to be able to get it
to do anything.

Does anyone have one of these or know how they work?

Here are some links to pictures we posted of it on the Phonolist site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/964312955/vi\
ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/917405647/vi\
ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Thanks!
Melissa and Nick
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard Model G

[ClockworkHome]

Toward the end of the Standards Edison was very lax in model letter 
labeling.  The Standard Model E that was often shipped with a Diamond B and No. 
10 
Cygnet horn was no different from the Model G Standard.  Both had identical 
configurations and were locked into 4 minute only mode with no 2 minute 
gears.  The very last out the door before outside horn machine production ended 
had either a G at the end of the serial or if a separate box on the patent 
plate for model had a G there.  In one case the machine had a Gem patent 
plate with a Standard serial number with a G on the end.  I would hazard a 
guess 
that less than 100 Standards were actually labeled G and the serials on all 
that I have seen, only 4 in 45 years of collecting, are at the very highest 
numbers.
 
If you have a Model E Standard with Diamond B Reproducer and Cygnet Horn 
then you don't need to look for a G unless you are a real fanatic (like me).  
The photo in the book is my G...
 
Confusion also is found with the ICS Standards in the last years.  You will 
find them with the D X'd out, E X'd out, and F X'd out and a C stamped next 
to the old letter.  At the factory they apparently just grabbed serial 
number plates and put them onto the 2 minute "C" Standards.  Sometimes they 
didn't take off the old letter.
 
Configurations of the D, E, F, and G were often "fuzzy."  It is not 
uncommon to find one letter X'd out like an F then and E to the right.  Serials 
were intermixed so delineation is not clear from them either.  Why the very 
last Standards were finally stamped with a G after so much confusion is not 
known at this time. 
 
Best wishes to all,
 
Al
 
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard A

[Steven Medved]

The A standard has the black painted crank, the B has the nickel plated 
crank, that is the easiest way to tell them apart.  



The ICS B has the governor control knob and the early B has the banner 
case.

So when in doubt look at the crank.  It only took me 28 years to figure this 
out.

Steve
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard E 2 minute conversion... another thought...

[Steven Medved]

Hello Al,
 
Was the carriage reducer or adapter was made for the recorder?
 
I have found on my Triumph with the large carriage that some CHK reproducers 
sit too low.  I corrected this by placing a 0.020 wire in the reducer/adapter 
under where the C will sit.
 
Having all the carriages for the standard being interchangeable is wonderful, 
it allows my Standard A to test out any reproducer from the standard speaker to 
the diamond B.  So far the only standard carriages I need to complete the set 
is the one for the E and F.  The one I have for the ICS has the shaver casting 
that was not drilled out.
 
I saw one of the early Amberolas (the one with the fireside motor) on eBay that 
played both 2 and 4 minute.  

 

Steve

 

If you love variety you will love Edison.

> 
> If the point was to have a Diamond B for 4 minute Blue Amberols and then 
> use an adapter for a Model C for the 2 minute black wax records, then I would 
> say to just buy a Model D on eBay missing the reproducers and wait for a 
> large diameter carriage conversion to pop up.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Al
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard E 2 minute conversion... anotherthought...

[Ron L'Herault]

Ah, yes.  The pins were in the Home.  I was working from memory.  I don't
actually own an E Home or Standard.  I did work on  a Home last year and
that stuck in my mind.

Ron L

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Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:50 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard E 2 minute conversion...
anotherthought...

 
In a message dated 12/22/2009 12:06:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
lhera...@bu.edu writes:

I think the "block off consisted in removing the two pins that would allow a
direct connection between the drive pulley and the feed screw.

RonL

That would be for the HOME?  You lost me there.
 
The Standard E with only the 4 minute gears means that only one set of gear 
teeth is on the mandrel shaft gear and that the 2 minute gear is missing 
from the shifter. Conversion will consist of changing the mandrel carriage 
drive gear to start with.
 
It would be easier to take a Model D or F and put on a large carriage arm 
for an O Reproducer since they have all the gearing as original.  Removing 
the mandrel gear on an E with only the 4 minute teeth is likely more than
the 
average collector wants to tackle.  It is not hard but does require some 
specialized tools.
 
If the point was to have a Diamond B for 4 minute Blue Amberols and then 
use an adapter for a Model C for the 2 minute black wax records, then I
would 
say to just buy a Model D on eBay missing the reproducers and wait for a 
large diameter carriage conversion to pop up.
 
Best wishes,
 
Al
 
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard E 2 minute conversion... another thought...

[ClockworkHome]

 
In a message dated 12/22/2009 12:06:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
lhera...@bu.edu writes:

I think the "block off consisted in removing the two pins that would allow a
direct connection between the drive pulley and the feed screw.

RonL

That would be for the HOME?  You lost me there.
 
The Standard E with only the 4 minute gears means that only one set of gear 
teeth is on the mandrel shaft gear and that the 2 minute gear is missing 
from the shifter. Conversion will consist of changing the mandrel carriage 
drive gear to start with.
 
It would be easier to take a Model D or F and put on a large carriage arm 
for an O Reproducer since they have all the gearing as original.  Removing 
the mandrel gear on an E with only the 4 minute teeth is likely more than the 
average collector wants to tackle.  It is not hard but does require some 
specialized tools.
 
If the point was to have a Diamond B for 4 minute Blue Amberols and then 
use an adapter for a Model C for the 2 minute black wax records, then I would 
say to just buy a Model D on eBay missing the reproducers and wait for a 
large diameter carriage conversion to pop up.
 
Best wishes,
 
Al
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard E question

[ClockworkHome]

When George and I wrote up the Standards we did not have a large data base 
or a great number of examples of the E.  Many years and observations later, 
I find that the E, which was introduced while the D was still in production, 
appears both with the blocked gear and configured with a 4 minute only 
gearing.  I see no reason you cannot put D gears into the E for both record 
lengths.  The Model F appeared at the same time as the E but the D continued 
for 
a time, disappeared then came back as an ICS machine just before outside 
horn machine manufacturing ceased.  Thus the gearing from a junked F should 
also give you the dual record capability you desire.
 
BTW - the printer never did get all the Standards put in the right place in 
either the first book or George's Companion book.  In the Companion book 
the Model C Standard is really my early D in the 'tall' cabinet carried over 
from the B & early C.  In the original book no Model B, Edison's most common 
machine, is shown as my Model C with dual gearing is labeled as such.  My B 
appears in the Companion book labeled correctly.
 
Hope that helps...
 
Al
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard E question

[Ron L'Herault]

I think the "block off consisted in removing the two pins that would allow a
direct connection between the drive pulley and the feed screw.

RonL

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Behalf Of Andrew Baron
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:56 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard E question

I see in Frow that the 4-minute only Edison Standard model E had the  
same basic mechanism as the combination model D, but with the 2-minute  
gearing blocked off.  Can anyone tell me if the 2-minute gears are  
there, and can be put in service without damaging anything through  
modification?

If the gears aren't there, can it be set up to work in 2-minute mode  
if the 2-minute gearing is found?  Finally, if this can be done, will  
the 2-minute gearing from the Model D make it work, or possibly  
anything borrowed from an Edison retrofit combination gear set?

Thanks in advance for any insight on this.

Andy
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard E question

[Andrew Baron]

I see in Frow that the 4-minute only Edison Standard model E had the  
same basic mechanism as the combination model D, but with the 2-minute  
gearing blocked off.  Can anyone tell me if the 2-minute gears are  
there, and can be put in service without damaging anything through  
modification?


If the gears aren't there, can it be set up to work in 2-minute mode  
if the 2-minute gearing is found?  Finally, if this can be done, will  
the 2-minute gearing from the Model D make it work, or possibly  
anything borrowed from an Edison retrofit combination gear set?


Thanks in advance for any insight on this.

Andy
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard Case Needed

[VicDoc160]

Anyone have a complete standard model a case??  Even if its just the bottom and 
bedplate frame.  I am pretty much willing to buy any condition as long as it 
has little to no veneer damage.  I have a bunch of standard parts and want to 
put one together from scratch with what I have.  I would really appreciate it.  
I am also looking for a columbia model b speed control screw and belt cover 
still.

vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com

[Phono-L] Edison Standard B question

[Steve Andersen]

Glenn,
The horn is a reproduction and the case has been refinished. No  
modifications are or were needed to put this carriage on a Model B. As  
to why someone would set up this way is anyone's best guess. The  
person probably had these parts available to make the machine complete  
to sell. Depending on what you are paying for it, I think their are  
better machines available which you won't have to fuss around with and  
are in more "original condition".
Steve
On Feb 13, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Glenn Longwell wrote:

> Hi - someone had sent me some pictures of an Edison Standard they  
> are looking to potentially sell.  I have posted one of the pictures  
> on my website at:   http://www.majesticrecord.com/standard.htm
>
> It's a Model B but has the horizontal carriage with large eye.  I'm  
> not an expert on this but I'd like to confirm that no other  
> modification needed to be done to put this carriage on the Model B.   
> It's a Model C reproducer, unfortunately with a broken hinge pin.   
> Any comments on age of horn?  Is this a reproduction?  Why would  
> someone set it up this way other than that this was the only  
> carriage available to them at the time so that's what was used.  It  
> has been this way since at least 1981.
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard B question

[David Dazer]

It also looks like it has been refinished. 
  Dave

Glenn Longwell  wrote:
  Hi - someone had sent me some pictures of an Edison Standard they are looking 
to potentially sell. I have posted one of the pictures on my website at: 
http://www.majesticrecord.com/standard.htm

It's a Model B but has the horizontal carriage with large eye. I'm not an 
expert on this but I'd like to confirm that no other modification needed to be 
done to put this carriage on the Model B. It's a Model C reproducer, 
unfortunately with a broken hinge pin. Any comments on age of horn? Is this a 
reproduction? Why would someone set it up this way other than that this was the 
only carriage available to them at the time so that's what was used. It has 
been this way since at least 1981.

Thanks,
Glenn
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard B question

[David Dazer]

The horn color looks like a repro to me.  The odd thing is, it looks like it 
has the correct "bead" on the outside where the bell joins the neck.  It is 
hard to tell from the angle shown, but my vote is that it is repro.  The 
carriage makes no sense except maybe this machine lost the original one and 
someone stuck this one on. The correct carriage would be easy to find.
  Dave

Glenn Longwell  wrote:
  Hi - someone had sent me some pictures of an Edison Standard they are looking 
to potentially sell. I have posted one of the pictures on my website at: 
http://www.majesticrecord.com/standard.htm

It's a Model B but has the horizontal carriage with large eye. I'm not an 
expert on this but I'd like to confirm that no other modification needed to be 
done to put this carriage on the Model B. It's a Model C reproducer, 
unfortunately with a broken hinge pin. Any comments on age of horn? Is this a 
reproduction? Why would someone set it up this way other than that this was the 
only carriage available to them at the time so that's what was used. It has 
been this way since at least 1981.

Thanks,
Glenn
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard B question

[Glenn Longwell]

Hi - someone had sent me some pictures of an Edison Standard they are looking 
to potentially sell.  I have posted one of the pictures on my website at:   
http://www.majesticrecord.com/standard.htm

It's a Model B but has the horizontal carriage with large eye.  I'm not an 
expert on this but I'd like to confirm that no other modification needed to be 
done to put this carriage on the Model B.  It's a Model C reproducer, 
unfortunately with a broken hinge pin.  Any comments on age of horn?  Is this a 
reproduction?  Why would someone set it up this way other than that this was 
the only carriage available to them at the time so that's what was used.  It 
has been this way since at least 1981.

Thanks,
Glenn
From lhera...@bu.edu  Wed Feb 13 13:01:31 2008
From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L)
Date: Wed Feb 13 13:03:29 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] threaded needles
In-Reply-To: <47b3502c.7000...@mediaguide.com>
References: 
<000601c86819$e97a0be0$0200a...@office><47a8bd72.7020...@mediaguide.com><003d01c86849$a75cd780$6400a...@hpa1514n><002701c86868$be365b60$6400a...@hpa1514n>
<003b01c86aab$aaaf34a0$6400a...@hpa1514n>   
   
<001b01c86b58$6463df20$6400a...@hpa1514n><1885592092.20080209134...@noring.name>
<47b3502c.7000...@mediaguide.com>
Message-ID: <005501c86e83$9bdef330$90d42...@ad.bu.edu>

Isn't sabot a French word for boot?

Ron L

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Behalf Of Thatcher Graham
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:17 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] threaded needles


As an engineer I could not help but to fixate on this "threaded needle 
idea". I agree that threading needles solves the mass issue hence the 
instinctive appeal, but the difficult manufacture is equally 
discouraging.  As an alternative, have you considered a sabot?

-Thatcher



Jon Noring wrote:
> Greg wrote:
>
>   
>> Threading the needle shank and having it screw into the needle bar is
an
>> option.  I hadn't considered that before, but it would pretty well solve
the
>> extra mass problem.  But it would make the needles pretty involved to 
>> manufacture.  I'll keep it in mind.
>> 
>
> Yes, it would be involved if all the needles are threaded by hand or
> in small numbers, especially at the diameter being considered.
>
> It is intriguing to consider using a very fine threaded rod, if even
> manufactured in the desired material(s). One would have to grind and
> polish to create the tip geometry.
>
> Which brings up the idea that if a needle is to be especially
> manufactured, one could consider tipping it with a different material
> that can be specially shaped (such as spherical or elliptical with
> no sharp edges at all. It is my understanding that most damage to
> grooves is due to a tip which is no longer smooth. Maybe the tip could
> be made from a material of the same hardness as the "grit" used in
> shellac discs (is it corundum?) to wear down the needle.
>
> Just thinking outside the box...
>
> Jon
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard

[clockworkh...@aol.com]

Greetings Richard:
 
Your Edison Standard is a Model B based  on your serial number.  The speed 
control was moved underneath the bedplate  and is a thumbscrew on the motor 
frame that moves an arm with the governor pads  on it.
 
The horn was an after market product  since Edison provided the smaller 14" 
witches hat brass-belled as standard  equipment at the time your machine was 
made.  Your horn may be a  little too heavy to hang on the neck of the 
reproducer so you should see a  ring on top for a horn crane.
 
The 2/4 minute gearing was later  offered by Edison as a modification kit 
when the 4 minute records came  out.  It came with a Model H reproducer to play 
the 4 minute  cylinders.
 
This is a good machine that will still  be playing 100 years from now.
 
As a note to the list, the serial  number of the Edison machines can guide 
you on whether they have been assembled  from several junked machines or are 
original.  Always ask for the serial  number of an Edison then do your 
homework.  
Recently on eBay I saw a  Standard machine with a Model B works in a Model D 
case with a Diamond  B reproducer in a horizontal carriage.  The problem here 
is that the  machine had no 4 minute gears so one must assume they were 
playing 2 minute  cylinders with the heavy diamond point and destroying them.
 
Best Wishes,
 
Al
 

[Phono-L] Edison Standard

[Richard Rubin]

Greetings, everyone.  While I've been collecting for quite a while, now, I've 
always just stuck to disc machines, but this weekend I stumbled upon an Edison 
Standard being offered for for next to nothing, so I picked it up.  Trouble is, 
I know next to nothing about it, and I'm just trying to figure out what it is.  
It has the banner decal and the "C" reproducer, and it doesn't seem to have 
been converted to a 2/4 machine, though frankly I don't think I'd be able to 
tell if it had been.  The serial number is S279 3 56, and the last patent date 
on the plaque is November 17, 1903.  There is no indication of any model number 
(or letter) on the plaque.  It has the original crane (1904 patent date on 
that) which is black and which doesn't actually attach to the case but rather 
sits underneath it, and comes up and out from behind the case.  The horn is 25" 
long (14" diameter) with a brass bell, but the body of the horn is covered by 
something (I've seen it described as "silk," but it feels more like a thin 
leatherette), which is actually in very good shape, and which is now kind of a 
rust brown in color.  The rubber neck is also there and in excellent condition 
(it could be a replacement, not sure; it's very thick).  I know it's not a 
Standard A, since it has a decal and the lid is rounded, not square.  The case 
(minus the lid) measures 12.5" wide x 6" high x 8.5" deep.  So, I guess I'm 
wondering:  What exactly do I have here?  Can anyone tell me anything about the 
horn?  Is it worth reconditioning the reproducer, or should I just buy a new 
one?  What is involved in converting this to a 2/4 machine?  Would such a 
conversion be inauthentic?  I should add that it came with 8 2-minute cylinders 
in cases, so I suspect it is just a 2-minute machine as it is.
 
By the way, I haven't seen anyone post any assessments of the Union show this 
year.  What did you all think?
 
--RR
From richard_ru...@hotmail.com  Sun Jun 25 22:05:33 2006
From: richard_ru...@hotmail.com (Richard Rubin)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:42 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard, part 2
Message-ID: 

Well, the mystery deepens.  I looked in the newest Reiss book (4th ed. that 
is), page 58, and there I see that my machine does, in fact, have the 2/4 
minute gearing (left column, third picture from the top).  Stranger still, 
though, I can't for the life of me figure out where the speed control is on 
this phonograph.  It's not in the front, to the left of the shutoff switch -- 
there's not even a hole for it there.  Now I truly have no idea what I have.  
(Did I mention that, prior to this purchase, I didn't "do" cylinders?)  I'll be 
happy to send pictures to anyone who asks if it'll help.  And thanks in advance 
for whatever information/theories you'd care to impart/share. 
From lhera...@bu.edu  Tue Jun 27 17:54:01 2006
From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:42 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] ebayer shellacdisc
Message-ID: <002d01c69a4d$5c8a61d0$2f01a...@ronlherault>

Anyone know who shellacdisc is on ebay?  I've bid against him on an item and
then it occurred to me that he might be a member of the list and I avoid
bidding against a list member as a general rule.

Ron L

[Phono-L] Edison Standard

[wilenz...@bellsouth.net]

Richard:
>From your description, sounds to me like you have a model A standard in the 
"New Style" cabinet.  These model A's do have the banner decal and the lid 
is rounded, not square.  They were released in 1901 with the model C 
reproducer.  If the reproducer is in good shape, it is definitely worth 
replacing the stylus and gaskets, and no need to purchase another one.  The 
horn appears to be a fairly common "silk covered" one that was an 
after-market item.  As far as the speed adjustment, look inside the machine 
for a knurled knob that adjusts the governor speed.  Glad to hear that you 
are now a cylinder phono collector :)
Ray Wilenzick

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From: "Richard Rubin" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard


> Greetings, everyone.  While I've been collecting for quite a while, now, 
> I've always just stuck to disc machines, but this weekend I stumbled upon 
> an Edison Standard being offered for for next to nothing, so I picked it 
> up.  Trouble is, I know next to nothing about it, and I'm just trying to 
> figure out what it is.  It has the banner decal and the "C" reproducer, 
> and it doesn't seem to have been converted to a 2/4 machine, though 
> frankly I don't think I'd be able to tell if it had been.  The serial 
> number is S279 3 56, and the last patent date on the plaque is November 
> 17, 1903.  There is no indication of any model number (or letter) on the 
> plaque.  It has the original crane (1904 patent date on that) which is 
> black and which doesn't actually attach to the case but rather sits 
> underneath it, and comes up and out from behind the case.  The horn is 25" 
> long (14" diameter) with a brass bell, but the body of the horn is covered 
> by something (I've seen it described as "silk," but i
> t feels more like a thin leatherette), which is actually in very good 
> shape, and which is now kind of a rust brown in color.  The rubber neck is 
> also there and in excellent condition (it could be a replacement, not 
> sure; it's very thick).  I know it's not a Standard A, since it has a 
> decal and the lid is rounded, not square.  The case (minus the lid) 
> measures 12.5" wide x 6" high x 8.5" deep.  So, I guess I'm wondering: 
> What exactly do I have here?  Can anyone tell me anything about the horn? 
> Is it worth reconditioning the reproducer, or should I just buy a new one? 
> What is involved in converting this to a 2/4 machine?  Would such a 
> conversion be inauthentic?  I should add that it came with 8 2-minute 
> cylinders in cases, so I suspect it is just a 2-minute machine as it is.
>
> By the way, I haven't seen anyone post any assessments of the Union show 
> this year.  What did you all think?
>
> --RR
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard

[George]

Hi Eileen
I have a number of original lids in stock for Edison Standards. Contact me off 
list with detail about the model you need please.
Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonographs
George Vollema
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  Speaking of lids -- would anyone know where to purchase a new or used lid  
  for the Edison Standard (square or round)? Thanks!
   
  Eileen
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[Phono-L] Edison Standard

[noveltyt...@aol.com]

Speaking of lids -- would anyone know where to purchase a new or used lid  
for the Edison Standard (square or round)? Thanks!
 
Eileen

[Phono-L] Edison Standard Records

[Steven Medved]

Hi,

Does anyone have any Edison 2 minute records that the box says Edison 
Standard Record on it?  Does it have the original lid and record inside?  I 
am trying to get an idea on how long these were made.  The highest number I 
have 10482 was released in Mar 1911 and has an Edison Record box, this was 
the last month they released 10 recordings.  Apr 1911 was when they began to 
release five recordings.

Steve 

[Phono-L] Edison Standard A motor

[Bruce Mercer]

A friend is looking for an Edison Standard 'A' motor, anyone have one?

Thanks
Bruce

[Phono-L] Edison Standard A motor

[Tim]

you can try Victrolia repair service his email is
victr...@together.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Mercer" 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 7:36 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A motor


> 
> A friend is looking for an Edison Standard 'A' motor, anyone have one?
> 
> Thanks
> Bruce
> 
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