Re: [PHP-DB] PHP/Apache not totally closing MySQL connections

2001-11-18 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 18.11.2001 06:36, Bob Maple wrote:
  Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address
  tcp1  0 burner.com:4848 burner.com:mysqlCLOSE
 
  [munge-alert!]

Hmm, looks like my pastes got whacked.  Oops.

  nope, if you leave it going for awhile nothing out of the ordinary
happens,
  the socket will be reused (when it's time is up).
 
  the reason it doesn't go away until Apache is closed is that this is
apache's
  socket, and not MySQL's, as the forreign address is the :mysql.

OK, thanks -- I did some rapid refreshes of a page and indeed, the 'CLOSED'
state sockets ultimately are being recycled.  I guess I just wasn't getting
the same httpd process that had them open before, because at one point I had
about 5 of these sockets hanging around while new connections continued to
appear.

that's because you're running more than one apache process, the number of
closed sockets should be proportional to the number of apache processes
(as set by httpd.conf).


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Re: [PHP-DB] date help

2001-11-17 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 17.11.2001 14:45, Srinivasan Ranganathan wrote:
Hi

I need to store the date and time of sign-up and date
and time of last successful login in a mysql database
and calculate how long the user has been using a site.
how do i do this?

Store date either in seconds since 19700101 or use your
rdbms' datefield (most of them've got one).

(I always prefer seconds as it's IMHO the easier to do calculations
with)


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Re: [PHP-DB] PHP/Apache not totally closing MySQL connections

2001-11-17 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 18.11.2001 02:06, Bob Maple wrote:
I've been through the bug database a couple of times, and scanned through
the list archives before joining, but haven't exactly found anything that
matches what is happening in my case.

First, dirty details: I am running MySQL 3.23.33, Apache 1.3.19, and PHP
4.0.6 under an RH system on kernel 2.2.19.  PHP running as a module in
Apache.

Good, pretty complete details.

I am having a little quirk with persistant connections with MySQL.  The
connections themselves work;  However, after a while when the connections
time out, they don't seem to be closing all the way.  For instance, right
now if I do a netstat, among some other connections I get:

Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address
tcp1  0 burner.com:4848 burner.com:mysqlCLOSE

[munge-alert!]

This is strange as the normal output from netstat should look like this
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State
tcp0  0 localhost:46764 localhost:imap4sESTABLISHED
tcp0  0 localhost:imap4slocalhost:46764 ESTABLISHED

Yours seem to miss out at least to headings, who knows what else is missing?

and there is no such state as CLOSE, so I'll assume for the rest of the email
that you're refering to CLOSED.


This has been there and been in CLOSE state all day.  It was there
yesterday. It will be there tomorrow.  MySQL has terminated the connection
as far as it cares (if I mysqladmin processlist, no connections show up.)
Indeed, if I shut down the MySQL server, the socket remains.  Only if I shut
down Apache will it ever go away.

So, if left going for awhile, tons of these dead sockets will pile up.

nope, if you leave it going for awhile nothing out of the ordinary happens,
the socket will be reused (when it's time is up).

the reason it doesn't go away until Apache is closed is that this is apache's
socket, and not MySQL's, as the forreign address is the :mysql.

Before I post a bug report, anyone have any ideas?

Yes, read netstat(8).

and I quote:
CLOSED The socket is not being used.

if the socket was dead you'd either see
CLOSE_WAIT
   The remote end  has  shut  down,  waiting  for  the
   socket to close.

LAST_ACK
   The  remote  end  has  shut down, and the socket is
   closed. Waiting for acknowledgement.

(or even a time_wait, but only for a limited time, unless you've got some
nifty problems with loopback.)

What is the problem here really?
MySQL isn't chewing resources, Apache isn't chewing resources, the fact of
the matter is that you're seeing closed sockets, sockets that will be 
reused when
apache+php reconnects to MySQL.

The only intriguing part about your post is that the Recv-Q is still 1, but 
all in all
I wouldn't worry...


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Re: [PHP-DB] Access with PHP on Linux?

2001-11-13 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 13.11.2001 23:23, Chris Payne wrote:
Hi there everyone,

I have had abit of an emergency, I have a website for a client based on 
ASP and ACCESS 2000, but the current server is giving us problems so I 
want to move over to my own server.  The problem is my server is a Linux 
server - is ACCESS 2000 possible?

My server has support for PHP, ASP, MySQL, etc .. and it says that PHP 
is able to interface with ACCESS - but how to hell do you do that?  I 
haven't got a clue - could anyone please help me as it is dead easy using 
a DSN-LESS connection on the current server, but I don't know where to 
start here.

My server runs the latest Red Hat Linux Apache system, with ASP (Don't 
remember which version I only know it's not Chilishoft - sorry :-(  Latest 
PHP, MySQL, FP2000 Ext... CGI and so on.

I want to keep it an access DB if possible as i've had problems changing 
the DB to MySQL.

Install ODBC, that would let you interface with degenerate database formats
as access et al.

Your best solution however would be to ditch Access and go a decent 
database solution,
one that doesn't tend to break under load (and doesn't impose strange 
limitations
on itself with regards to throughput).

(on a totally different not, I'd ditch FP extensions aswell, as they've 
proved to be a bit of
a nightmare on the security front in the past, don't know how they're doing 
at the moment,
but anything that tries to imitate something undocumented is a no-no in my 
production
environments).


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Re: [PHP-DB] delete multiple entries from a database using PHP

2001-09-26 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 26.09.2001 17:16, Markus Bertheau wrote:
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how can I delete multiple entries from a database using PHP . I need to make

sth like delete from table where attribute = something

deletes all rows where attribute is something.

or the glorious DELETE FROM tablename
(tip: do not try that on useful information ;-)



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RE: [PHP-DB] Huw do I perform update? I missed the accual code bi t.. sorry

2001-09-26 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 26.09.2001 19:55, Ricky Theil wrote:
I have no problem updating integer and float fields when putting them in ''
if you update an integer with a blank value, it makes the value in the db
=0. always on unix and mysql, though.

Ricky

True, there's nothing that forces you to wrap integers into s under mysql,
and generally that's not a bad idea, it would escape some of the duuuh-mistakes
that happen from time to time

$query = UPDATE dvd.news_categories SET
newscategory='$newscategory',
newscat_status='$newscat_status' WHERE newscat_id='$newsid';

What does mysql_error() say, and have you tried the query on the command
line to get and exact pinpoint where the error is?

(okay I admit I haven't even looked at the query as this sounds like a 
stupid mistake
that could be solved by trying a few easy twiddles.)


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Re: [PHP-DB] guys here is my problem in a simpler way:)

2001-09-26 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 26.09.2001 22:24, its me wrote:
hi there, i have a similar problem which is driving me crazy and i hope u 
can help with:


i have  a form whith a normal button when clicked ,i open a new window 
through javascript(this window have a php script)
which i wanna pass to it a form field:
input name=category

but as i told u there is no submission for the form so i can't pass for 
example a hidden field or $category


script

function test()
{
   x=document.forms[0].subcategory.selectedIndex
 y= document.forms[0].subcategory.options[x].text

   if(y==Printers)
   open(store1.php,newwindow)
}
/script
form
input name=category 
input type=button onClick=test()

Why don't you pass the value along with the URL?
open(store1.php?myvalue=wooosh, newwindow)
(and ofcourse use your pretty little function to create the URL).


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RE: [PHP-DB] warning/error

2001-09-25 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 25.09.2001 21:00, Rick Emery wrote:
show us code

Agreed!

But if I were you I'd check my query and optionally the output of 
mysql_error() or try
the query with the mysql client...

8 out of 10 times it's a error in the query, 1 out of 10 it's a spelling 
error (eg. $result and $rseult)
and the last time is reserved for special occations... to find out which 
either post code or
DO SOME TESTING BEFORE POSTING!


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Re: [PHP-DB] random created numbers and letters

2001-09-25 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 25.09.2001 22:46, Saulius Jankauskas wrote:
Hello,

Can you give me a piece of code, where I could see, how to create random
written numbers and letters?

For example, I'd like to give my visitor temporary passwrord: BS0147. To
another HF0124 and so on...

How to generate it with PHP?

Sorry, if I didn;t explained clearly what I want.

Thanks.

Did you read _anything_ in the manual before posting?!

(and how on earth is this related to php-DB ?!)

check out

rand()
srand()
mt_rand()
mt_srand()

and so on... and I'll leave it up to the reader to decide how to create
a password-fish out of a row of numbers...

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Re: [PHP-DB] Individual Lines of text

2001-09-24 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 25.09.2001 01:19, Devon wrote:
I am pulling down data from a switch which looks like

Port 1, 33889029532
Port 2, 0
Port 3, 135852
Port 4, 6652941243
etc etc

I need to know if it is possible with PHP to write a script that will pull
the individual lines of this text file and store them into a mysql database
line by line.

Cheers

if the lines are exactly as you describe them (ie. comma-separated) read 
the file
line by line and use the explode() function to create an array of each line 
and flush
it to the db of your choice...



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Re: [PHP-DB] Fatal Error

2001-09-22 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 23.09.2001 02:41, you wrote:
Hello,

I was wondering if this means that my ISP doesnt support mysl commands in
php. They use php3.0.18 and apache server. I get the following message.

Pretty much. Your ISP has probably compiled PHP w/o mysql support, since 
they're
running such an old version in the first place, why not put in a nice 
request and try to
get them to recompile php (and perhaps move to version 4).


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Re: [PHP-DB] about Printer()

2001-09-20 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 20.09.2001 03:18, cheify wrote:
php4 suport Priner() in windows.How do I use it ?thanks very much.

http://uk.php.net/manual/en/ref.printer.php

(substitute uk for local mirror)


rantmethinks this is in the same ballpark av php-DB, not even the same
league, it's not even the same fscking game!/rant

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Re: [PHP-DB] When would it be 'good' to store binary data in a DB?

2001-08-07 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 07.08.2001 22:03, Justin Matlock wrote:
cut


Is this a bad idea?  what is the downside to doing it this way?  as far as
disk usage goes, I seem to have more disk space this way -- inodes aren't
getting wasted.  The DB servers don't seem to mind at all.

Thanks;
Justin

Looking at what you've written I'd say your solution seems excellent for the
problem.

As you say there isn't an easy solution to instant distribution with some level
of redundancy between multiple sites, for a big number of files of relatively
small size storing them in databases is certainly one of the easier solutions.

What you didn't write though, is how you use these files...


(I didn't see the word 'PHP' mentioned in your post though...)

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Re: [PHP-DB] mysql errors....

2001-08-07 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 07.08.2001 20:39, Brian Weisenthal wrote:
hey,

im using php and mysql. i am sure that i am getting mysql errors but for
some reason they are not being displayed making it real hard to debug. i
hate debugging, im going to go insane..i cant see my errors
helpplease, pretty please.thanks


bwise


We can't see them from here either, so you better post some code to illustrate
your problem...



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Re: [PHP-DB] php Please help

2001-08-07 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 08.08.2001 01:05, Robert Barish wrote:
Hello everyone.

Let me get to the point directly.  I had to reinstalled a clean version of
7.2 and only one thing left to do and is is kicking my perverbial back side
:-)
I use php scripting for my little web site and access mysql. The old
installation I got up in a snap.  When i move the save files over
to the htdoc directory and tried to view my index.php page it tries to
download it.  You can go to www.bmtsolutions.com and see what I mean.  I have
done everything under the sun to try to fix this and am missing something
really lame.   I know this is not exactly not a php-db issue directly but I
am hoping someone can help.  It looks like i might need hand leading here.
;)
Thanks for you valuable time.

Bob

First, what the  is 7.2, Mandrake ? RedHat ? Slackware? Debian ? Trustix?
Corel ? SuSE ? Linux? FreeBSD ? OpenBSD ? NetBSD ? *BSD? Solaris ? SunOS ?
HP-UX ? *NIX ? Windows ? BeOS?
(I guess that makes the point clear)

My guess is that your webserver (which you didn't name) is missing what in 
apache-speak
would be
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php (for php4)
or
AddType application/x-httpd-php4 .php3 (for php3).

Out of interest which OS and httpd are we talking?
(I've got a hunch telling me it's RedHat and apache, it usually is when 
somebody is
running a version number and no OS).

(and yes this is certainly not a php-db issue, php-install would have been 
the list
you should have posted to).


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Re: [PHP-DB] auto fill field with value from another

2001-08-03 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 03.08.2001 20:38, you wrote:
Is there a way to have a field in a MySQL table automatically be filled
whenever that row is created or updated with the value of another field
in the same table?

Is there a way to have it filled with a calculation based on another
field?

thanks,

bill hollett

subselects are nasty to implement in mysql (due to the fact it doesn't support
them very-well/at-all depending on your viewpoint).

but it is doable...



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Re: [PHP-DB] Connect to MySQL through Proxy?

2001-08-03 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 03.08.2001 13:36, David Viner wrote:
Does anyone know if it is possible to make a MySQL connection (using
mysql_connect or mysql_pconnect) through a proxy server? I need to be able
to synchronise from one server on an internal network through to one on the
web - doing it when a proxy is not involved is dead easy, but...

Thanks in advance for any tips/ideas on this.

This is strictly a MySQL issue and not a php issue, but to avoid being a 
oneliner,
I'm pretty sure that you can't do what you're hoping to do...

Proxyservers deal with http requests (usually 1.0 and 1.1), mysql uses it's 
own protocol
and has no means to communicate over http...

Get your sysadm to open or map some ports for you so you can use mysql 
native, otherwise
you'd have to do a dump and then import that on the other server, which 
would not be a
2-way sync...


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Re: [PHP-DB] Storing Code in a db?

2001-06-28 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 27.06.2001 14:06, you wrote:
Hey there,
Is it possible to store code like a function, for example, in a mysql
database and pull it into a php dynamicallly so you can use the function if
needed?


Not in a way that would be effective, the only way I could see it work is 
if you
use a script to pull the function out of the database, write it to a file, 
and then
include your newly written file... Which ofcourse would require a reload or
2 scripts.

I'd stick with a couple of includes if I were you =).


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Re: [PHP-DB] MySQL Error???

2001-06-28 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 27.06.2001 17:24, Brian Grayless wrote:
Is anyone familiar with this MySQL error?

1062: Duplicate entry '127' for key 1
I wrote a great bookmark management program that works fine, but everytime I
insert bookmarks, I insert somewhere over 120 and I start getting this
error, and it won't add them anymore.  Any suggestions???

Thanks,

It's a code error, not MySQL.

Duplicate entry means that there already is an entry with value '127' for 
key '1'.
Check whether there are some stale bookmarks in your db (use auto_increment
instead).
Also check your code for any errors around the insert statement... 
codesnipplets
would be fine if you want the list to track this down...


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Re: [PHP-DB] static or dynamic printer-friendly webpages?

2001-06-28 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 27.06.2001 23:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question for all you php experts out there:

My organization's website is based on mysql/php backend - 95% of the
webpages are generated dynamically using templates and database records.

We have been asked to create printer-friendly versions of these pages.

Now for your opinion/advice: should we (1)create another template called
print.php for example and generate there print friendly pages dynamically
or should we (2)create static html copies of each database record so that
they are print friendly?

By print friendly I mean I want a page that doesn't have the text cut off
the right hand side of the page (nevermind, for now, that the original page
shouldn't do this
in the first place :) )

Thank you so much for your help!

Depends how large your ogranization's website is.
I'd definatly go with the dynamic one, that means creating one template and
nothing else (appart from updating the other templates to have a 
PrinterFriendly
link on them).
While a static page would require updating every time something changes, and
requires an amount of work proportional to the number of pages, which could
create a living hell somewhere down the line, especially if you have more than
one webmaster.

*dynamic-dynamic-dynamic* ;-)


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Re: [PHP-DB] News(article) code that using PHP and MySQL

2001-06-24 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 24.06.2001 13:30, you wrote:
Could anyone suggest the free news(article) code that works fine?
I want to learn how it work .
thank you

What about posting to the correct list?

(ie. do you see the DB in the listname?)

For some more info on your post, check www.freshmeat.net (or the links at 
php.net).


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Re: [PHP-DB] MAIL from php

2001-06-23 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 22.06.2001 16:22, you wrote:
Very strange

Warning: mail() is not supported in this PHP build in
/virtual/sergio/public/prova.php on line 18
What's this ?

This is _totally_ unrelated to php-db, and should have been posted on the 
php-general list!
But basically your php install hasn't compiled in support for the mail() 
command, it might
have been disabled on purpose, ask your admin.


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Re: [PHP-DB] Connecting to MySQL

2001-06-22 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 22.06.2001 09:42, you wrote:
How can I connect to our MySQL server remotely. Ordinarily, we upload the 
same PHP application the same machine that runs MySQL too. So, I just 
access it using localhost in the mysql_connect( ) function, like:

 mysql_connect($servername,$dbusername,$dbpassword);

 where $servername = localhost


What if I want to access the MySQL server from my Win test machine that 
runs Apache?


change the servername variable to the hostname of your database server and make
sure that you are allowed to connect (either in mysql.db or mysql.user).

btw. it's always a good idea to use a different topic than a subject just 
discussed..

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Re: [PHP-DB] Password Protect page

2001-06-22 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 22.06.2001 11:23, you wrote:
I tried but to no avail, I was trying to
send the header to redirect if the password in the input box matches the
database password but it kept saying that the header was already sent..  I
tried Javascript aswell, doing a location.href = URL within the if
statement.

this is not a db issue, when you are using the header() function it has to 
be the
first output sent back to the user, ie. no blank spaces before the ?(php) 
and no
echo's etc.

Check that first, and if that doesn't help, try pasting the code so we can 
try to
see the bug... (code is always good when you run into trouble).



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Re: [PHP-DB] how to email article to a friend

2001-06-20 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 20.06.2001 08:52, you wrote:

You can query your database to extract those info, compose your email and 
use mail( ) function to send it.

that is _not_ a wise way to do it, you should include some form of 
restrictions on how many
emails can be sent to a single account within X minutes for example. 
Further you should
restrict by HTTP_REFERER (yep it's poor, but it's better than nothing) so 
that a automated
script can't use your email-article-to-a-friend function to spam 
thousands of people without
any work...

There are quite a few considerations to take into account when writing a 
email-article-to-a-friend
function, just to be on the safe side...

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Re: [PHP-DB] newbie: Trying to select a database in php

2001-06-20 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 20.06.2001 09:06, you wrote:
Im using win2k and php to retrieve and dipslay database records, however 
whenever the page is loaded in a browser I get the following error (the 
line in question is in bold)

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: msql_select_db() in 
D:\ASP\test\php\default.php on line 18

Spelling mistake I take it, the error refers to msql while you're using 
mYsql...


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Re: [PHP-DB] Query in a function

2001-06-19 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 19.06.2001 09:21, you wrote:
Hello
I have a query that I have placed in a function that is in a file that I
include in the page to be displayed. It doesn't work. I know that the code
works because when I place the code in the page to be displayed directly it
works fine.

I can't figure it out. Thanks in advance for any help.
John

Here is the function contained in lib.inc:
function type_select()
{
$connection = mysql_connect($server, $user, $pass);

are $server, $user and $pass global variables?
If not, they wouldn't be available inside the function and you'd either 
have to make
them global, or pass them to the function.

That could explain why you can't connect...


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Re: [PHP-DB] newbie: showing records from SQL

2001-04-28 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 28.04.2001 18:06, you wrote:
Hello,

I'm new at php... I've done a little SQL with visual basic in the past, and
now I would like to publish a database online...

I managed to find out how to add records in my table, but I can't find out
how to show records...
Are there manuals on the web that are specific to php  sql?
I've found manuals for both, but they both give only a little bit of
information, and refer to the other website for more information...

or is there anyone who can give me a simple example, where the page just
renders all the records?
and one where the page renders all records where name is Jhon

Thanx

2peak

click on links at php.net and look under tutorials (or similar) there you 
should find
a couple of tutorials and guides to get you started, it simpler than you 
think...

If you look in the annotated manual you'll probably find some examples 
there too.


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Re: [PHP-DB] mail system

2001-04-26 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 26.04.2001 16:20, you wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how I can setup a email system ,
internal using php and mysql only .. No Imap Server, or POP. Can someone
please guide me in the right direction ,, this is email sysetm would be only
for registered members. I am setting up a dating site.. Any help would be
appreciated

Thank You

Store the email in some form of storage (database would be preferable) and then
use queries to fetch the mail.

To send mail just insert an entry into the table holding the mail.



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RE: [PHP-DB] Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'

2001-04-26 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 26.04.2001 20:53, you wrote:
   I have this error
   Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'
(111)

sounds like MySQL is not running on your server.. ensure it's installed
properly and has actually started, i think typing
   mysqladmin -p version

at the command line will tell you if it's running.

you might find some useful info here:
http://www.mysql.com/doc/S/t/Starting_server.html

good luck,
simon

or just run mysql -p and see if the client can connect through the
pipe, if not (and ps auxw | grep mysql returns a running process) your
pipe has been fiddled with...



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Re: [PHP-DB] continuously view database updates.

2001-03-26 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 26.03.2001 15:44, you wrote:
Hi,
I am doing a college project which involves using PHP scripts to update a 
MySQL database. For demonstration purposes I would like the new updated 
table in my Database to be shown each time it is updates without me having 
to go to the command prompt window and type in select * from members; for 
example! I will have the command window open for the demo.
Thanks
Kev.

Live display of a mysql table isn't possible AFAIK, but you could fake it 
through
scripting og programming on your preferred platform, just do a select * 
from somewhere
statement every second (- put favorite interval there) and display it the 
way you
like it to be displayed...

PHP could do it, perhaps not the most effective solution, but certainly an easy
solution... use a persistant connection and HTTP-REFRESH or something, unless
you're dumping heavy work on the DB this should be fine, if we're talking 
high-performance
time-critical and or high-load stuff here, you might wanna look at 
somethingelse...


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Re: [PHP-DB] MySQL for Billng Question

2001-03-26 Thread Andreas D. Landmark

At 26.03.2001 22:21, you wrote:
how bout something like this.

You have 3 columns
TOTAL_HOURS | UNPAID_HOURS | LAST_PAID

when you are paid, update TOTAL_HOURS to add UNPAID_HOURS and clear [delete,
or set to zero] the UNPAID_HOURS column... LAST_PAID would be type =
timestamp, or date.
You could get pretty elaborate, and mySQL can do a TON of cool tricks with
the numbers... depends what your uses may be. If you are using it to
generate statements it may be worth more time than simply "keeping track"

I picked up SAM'S learn SQL in 10 minutes. I really liked it, considering
that I don't need to use a whole lot of mySQL functions, it's a wonderful
little reference and I have learned some neat things real fast.  I
understand that it is far from "complete" but i feel it is worth it for me
[starting out]

olinux

I'd rather go for something like one field for date, one for hours worked, 
one for
paid and one for date paid, this way you could keep track of _when_ you worked
and didn't get paied, it's much easier and better in the long run than just 
having
the number of hours they owe you... (this way you could calculate number of
hours you work per week etc.).


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