of the screen as well (clock,
etc.). Maybe that's a setting I missed somewhere.
I assume you've used CleanPlkr first, before installing the new build
with Annotation support, yes?
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Just a progress note: I haven't abandoned the Plucker annotation
code. In fact, it now compiles. A bit of debugging and hopefully
it'll go from my private svn tree to the official svn tree.
Woo! Great to hear... now let's hope Palm isn't still dead.
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viewer/config.h.in will be created for you. It doesn't exist in cvs,
because it doesn't have to..
Good luck.
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can then point Plucker and and convert to your heart's desire.
Some select users have been using it on a regular basis so far
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I have it installed on Linux and tried an earlier version on
Windows.
So there you go =)
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not-so-gracefully ;) No error checking?
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the user to select an ASCII/ANSI
character to replace it.
Doesn't the Plucker distiller's --filter feature do what you
want?
--filter=filter name:
Pass fetched documents through filter prior to parsing.
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When are newer compiled binaries of Plucker Viewer going to be
available at http://www.plkr.org/dl ?
Hourly snapshots have been up for awhile now, check:
http://www.plkr.org/snaps
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The more-logical step, would be to ask why iSilo doesn't
support Plucker documents. The format is open, documented, clear and
used in dozens of applications now.
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the possibility of developing for another
characteristic for Plucker.
Sure, have the iSilo author make the format for his .pdb files
public and we'll see if someone from the community decides to add
support to Plucker for them.
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conversions and ebooks in Plucker format (LDP, Blackmask,
etc.) that would probably have to re-gen their books, if the viewer
was no longer capable of supporting these links.
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Since there seems to be more frequent fixes going into Plucker
recently, I've moved the snapshot back to an hourly build instead of a
daily build as before.
Let me know if something breaks or could be done better.
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will be lost when the next official version will come
out.
Something broke the builds, stopped on 8/7. I just dumped the
build tree and recreated it from scratch and it is now building clean
again. Snapshot is current as of 8/29 as I write this.
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and correct/update those files.
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files from the
parser/c++ directory though to avoid any confusion..
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_should_ get all
of the links in this relatively-small tree.
I also tried --depth-first, which didn't help either.
What the heck is going on here?
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This is just bizarre...
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and put them online later today if I can't
figure this thing out.
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of original source data (218 original files).
Shouldn't be _smaller_ than the original source material?
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it in tools/regex for now.
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If I did everything right, Cplucker is now in CVS.
Shouldn't that have gone into /parser/cpp or something?
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of the files before we stamp it, and use it in a way that
violates that license.
I hate to play the Warden, but we've seen abuse here before.
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that introduces that feature along for
consideration?
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Now, the big question is: Is anybody other than me going to
contribute code to it?
The bigger question is... what needs to be contributed? What
parts, features, code, bugs, etc. need to be added or removed?
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Just get yourself Fink, and build Python, and you're done.
Actually, Python ships pre-installed on Mac OS X. No need to build
it.
Actually you're right, I stand corrected.
You will need to build the other bits though (netpbm, etc.)
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Yes. I use a fink-installed copy of ImageMagick under OS X with no
troubles.
Hopefully when/if Opusculus gets functional again, that'll be
the de-facto version for that platform... but only time and volunteers
will determine that. ;)
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external storage.
Just get yourself Fink, and build Python, and you're done.
Plucker Desktop on OSX is another monster, but I'm slowly
working on those pieces to get it back to a buildable status. More
eyes and hands are, of course, appreciated.
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building large documents, and some other weird
quirks with caching and other aspects of that tool... I've never run
JPluck on OSX, I stick to Python and Perl spiders on that platform.
Maybe some JPluck OSX users can chime in?
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, the reference API for Plucker, needs
some TLC, because its starting to stagnate behind what the viewer is
capable of rendering, as Mike mentioned a few days ago.
Bill? Jim? Are you out there? Any time to work on those bits?
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a project sponsored by the
core Plucker team. It was a project developed by Laurens Fridael, and
is no longer active.
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on the project page. I'll probably put a
Drupal CMS up there at some point to collect the blogs and code and
forums for that project..
So, what's the difference between unpluck and explode tools?
One is a library, one is the code that uses that library.
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, mistakes, or anything that
generally doesn't work right with it, please let me know right away,
so I can fix it.
http://doxygen.plkr.org/
Enjoy.
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. Make sure you're
running a 'distclean' between each build, and make sure you're cvs
update syntax is correct (cvs up -dP).
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Actually, I fixed it by reinstalling all of cygwin. Don't know why,
but that did the trick. Thanks!
Ah yes, I forgot...
The solution to all problems on Windows is to reinstall.
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indicated on Radovan's page, but they
don't look right either on my Vx, m505, T2 and T3 devices. Has anyone
else successfully rendered LAtin1, Cyrillic, etc. characters in
plucker without using any third-party hacks?
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question.
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, and
Robert has the keys to that castle. I've built it before for a client
in Spain, but it wasn't pretty, and I'd really prefer that he handle
those pieces.
Robert/Mike, are you out there?
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--enable-gesture_debug \
--enable-category=Unfiled \
--enable-errorchecklevel=full
BTW, there's some inconsistencies in the documentation:
I've asked for help cleaning that up numerous times. Care to
give us a hand?
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has helped contribute.
More new things are coming very soon... stay tuned!
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restructure the code and clean out the bugs
that lurked into there.
Once we rebrand the code, we may make a quick release, which
will probably be JPluck + rebranding, and then we can begin working on
the new features I've proposed to the team.
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= string.lowercase[number-1] + )
+text = string.lowercase[number-1] + .
else:
text = ?)
table_margin = self._ol_list_depth
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, and then restarts the numbering again at
1, but thats how it lays it out.
We'll be fixing this in the new version of the Java parser, when
we get around to that point.
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OS 5.4. Note that the application I am writing must access
files in the root directory of the memory card. These files
cannot be located in a subdirectory of the card.
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Oops! Nevermind: I found my bug.
Don't keep us all in suspense... what was it? ;)
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A very interesting article I just found. He makes a lot of good
points overall, and gives us a lot of credit for what we're doing with
Plucker.
http://shadowdark.org/epublish/2004/09/plucker-ebook-reader-and-compiler.html
Plucker does not spend enough time trumpeting how good
There's no HTML out there right now that supports this (or is
there?), so obviously this wouldn't be useful for Plucking random
web pages. But I'm starting to create a lot of my own web pages with
scripts, and some of them suggest the ability to add appointments
(movie listings, Heavens
It should be quite simple to write a script that could convert documents
from the new format to the old format (without the new features), though.
Would it be possible to make the viewer do this automagically, upon
opening an older format document? The problem I see with writing a script
to
I've been seriously contemplating buying a Treo 600 and wanted to ask the
community if there are any bugs/problems with using Plucker on this
device? I'd like to specifically hear from people who actually tried it on
the device and what was their experience?
I think that's the exact
This is 751 files that are on my local disk. Jpluck takes 39 seconds and
Desktop takes 5:40 to complete. Two other interesting notes; Jpluck lists
1182 files and Desktop list 1313 files. Desktop also takes over 20
seconds just to write out the file.
Different langauges use
I started with just a hat and shirt, and just went nuts from there.
We don't officially have any slogans... suggestions are certainly welcome
for that. If you don't see something you'd like, let me know, and I'll make
it or change it.
I'm hoping the selections we have to offer
In an effort to decrease the confusion about which file to download
when testing snapshots, I've changed the way I iterate through them in the
snapshot directory.. it should be much more human readable now. Please let
me know if it could be improved further.
I am also revamping
On the other hand, with a willful violator, I wouldn't mind getting my
percentage of the $500-$100,000 statutory damages per infringement (i.e.,
per download of the violating binaries, no?)
That normally works, when the software is sold by the violating
company (i.e. there is a paper
Can we know the name of the app?
Or at least let us know how this progresses. I've never seen what happens
during a GPL violation and I am very curious.
Please let the team handle it directly. We don't want to start a
campaign of users cold-calling companies who are asserted to be
Eventually I got it. I found the zip-o-torrents, and from there made it
work. My copy of Azureus is handling the load nicely.
If you're curious, here are the stats for that:
http://downloads.plkr.org/stats/
http://torrents.plkr.org:8000/
d.
It is that time again. Time for the Plucker seeds and mirrors to
help us redistribute a new Plucker release... this time version 1.8! This is
the latest in the stable series of Plucker releases. I have taken the time
to convert all of the .bz2 files to .zip also, and made .torrent
It was reported to me that this happens in PalmBible+ which uses the
exact same DIA code, so I'm worried it happens in Plucker, too. If so,
it's going to be a hard bug to fix as there does not seem to be a way
for me to duplicate this on the simulator as it doesn't have a slider.
My
I tried to build vademecum from the cvs source and everything went fine.
Now I'm not sure what else (beside vademecum.exe) has to be installed and
where??? Any help with this will be appreciated.
You probably want to ask on the mailing list/forums specific to Vade
Mecum. We don't have
I like it.
Where is the patch? What does it add/remove/fix? I didn't see it hit
any of the lists. Can you resend it?
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Mike has made 1.7.2 packages, and I have just put them up for
grabs via BitTorrent. This preliminary email is to alert the seeds that
there is a new release coming... 1.7.2, and that you'll need to grab these
updates and mirror them as well.
I have seeded the packages, and you
I was wondering if we could include support, as a compile-time option,
for Lightspeed overclocking, once the feature freeze is over. I include
a patch--it's really a very simple patch. I've been using a version of
Plucker patched with this patch for several months now with a private
beta
It would be nice to be able to set up separate icons for various books
so that clicking on them would take you directly to the book instead of
where you were last.
You can, just use the launchable flag, and change the icon used
for the launcher when creating the documents.
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I just wanted to know if if would be possible to get a performance gain
if we could execute a parser by site either than only one scritp at the
time?
Can you explain what you mean in a different way? I don't understand
what you're asking here.
d.
I already have, otherwise I could not get the standard simulator. I've
had a Dev account for years now. I just can't find the link to it
anywhere.
There are two: One at the Resource Pavilion, and one inside the
palmOne Plugged-in Program. They are different, however. Make sure you
I'd like to modify plucker and use my own CreatorID. How can I set the
same creatorID for the *.pdb files? I didn't find such option in JPluck.
Do I need to recompile the JPluck to do that?
Working on a Plucker for Blackberry devices? ;)
d.
Getting the DIA behavior consistent across all forms by producing resize
info where appropriate is something that I would like people to help me
with.
One slightly-off-topic question... should we continue to call this
DIA in our codebase, when it is a new, homegrown reimplementation
~ Oh no, what did he do this time?
I have finally reached this far corner of tasks on my plate, and
managed to get the Plucker CVS commit emails all indexed and put
into a list for subscribing.
~ In English
David, maybe you could update the online document?
Hrm, I thought it redirected to that one... I think the whole
docs.plkr.org needs to be autogen'd on a regular nightly basis or some such.
I'll work on it over the next week (getting married next week in Jamaica, so
things are a bit...
I have, however, been thinking about a generalized way of doing DIA that
might even be better than using CollapseUtils. For each object on each
form, we set a bunch of possible attributes.
The DIA shipping on the T3 (codenamed Hawkeye) changed again in
Cobalt (6.x). I would only be
By the way, here's something weird, maybe only on cygwin. Modify
fonts/Makefile.in. Do
cd fonts
make
You get an endless loop of Makefile regeneration.
I've seen this before on Linux also, and I think it is an automake
bug. The GnuCash people found and fixed it, with some
For those Plucker supporters providing mirrors of Plucker downloads,
please download the latest versions of 1.7.1 and update your local copies. I
will update the download page when the mirrors are seeded and 1.7.1 returns
successful status over http.
Zip-o-Torrents File
The reason for the extra reduction is that there is some redundancy
between files. For instance, they probably have similar headers and
footers.
Another option, albeit slower (but still available, and GPL) is
rzip. It is based on the same checksum routines that rsync uses (weak
Has anyone successfully built Plucker Desktop on a current Unix or
Linux system with wx 2.2 or 2.4? I'm trying to figure out exactly what the
build environment is. It looks like wx is trying to include headers for a
completely different arch than it should be, and I'm thinking that wx is
Has anyone built Plucker Desktop recently? What's the catch?
Found the bug... the check in setup.h for __VISUALC__ is in err.
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Could we add xlit/plucker-xlit.pdb to the snapshot? That's the
transliteration database.
Done.
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Would there be any objections if I changed the default to write to a log
file, and only echo important enough messages to the screen?
As long as it does not conflict with the redirection already used
inside Spider.py, and doesn't affect that capability, I don't see why not.
Is there any way to export from a plucker doc to xml? Or html?
Unpluck/explode, in the tools subdirectory.
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I don't know if I can get the sample code license changed to be more
open, but I'll try. The object-only part doesn't seem very logical to
me. Stuff like this really should have a BSD or MPL license, IMO. --
Ben Combee Techwood Broadcasting Foundation, Austin Bureau Chief
What's
Palm, PalmOne, or PalmSource? Remember, Palm doesn't exist anymore.
I believe this was Palm, Inc. prior to the split to Palmsource and
merger to Handspring.
The sample code license is pretty old, and I don't think it has ever
been GPL-compatible.
I can't believe we're the
Well, I can understand it not being on the windows side (and no I'm not
volunteering ;-). Why isn't it on the linux side either?
Because explode/unpluck are not built or shipped by default.
Similar to most Linux applications where the ./contrib directory under the
source tree isn't
They have nothing to lose. After all, if they say no, we can just do a
clean-room rewrite--it's a tiny piece of code.
In my experience, if you offer to do a cleanroom rewrite from the
start, there is no incentive for them to cooperate and provide a dual
license or relicensing
Can anyone give me a crash course on where should I start!?
Take a look at the viewer/langs subdirectory in the source tree,
and model the 'sample.rcp' found there. There is also a TRANSLATING file
there that describes what you must do to get it all working properly.
Btw, does anyone
I would like to know if it's possible to setup the Plucker Desktop
install distribution to have one or more content channels added by
default when the user runs the install process. Can this be achieved via
command line parameters or can some config file be added? I would
appreciate
Why limit it to the library? Why not let the back function exit instead
of going to the library if the you're on the first page (and that page
isn't the library).
Because currently, tapping the back arrow from the main screen
while viewing a document sends you to the Library. I'm not
Would that be packaged as a shared library or a separate application? If
my application is commercial, I can't just include Plucker source code,
can I?
You would be writing a reader, from scratch, that can read the
Plucker document format, based on the existing Plucker document API.
But there could be an exit button when Plucker is sublaunched with some
code that requests it.
Here's a thought... add a Back button to the Library view.
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Well, it's not a matter of re-using but re-generating. A derivative work
of a non-copyrightable item either has no copyright or has copyright owned
by the person (i.e., us) who produced the derivative work.
EVERYTHING is copyrighted, by the person(s) who created it. The
difference is
I need a volunteer who is willing to do some GUI programming for the
PalmFontConv project. The project is GPL. (But I'm willing to change
that to BSD if the volunteer insists--I own all the copyrights on the
code, except for the FT2 library which is BSD- and GPL-compatible.)
I
so - something wrong with the autogen or configure scripts?
Did you run autoreconf in the viewer subdirectory?
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But the basic thing is this. a href=#... is supposed to let one go
straight to the a name=#... tag. Currently, it doesn't--it goes
back to the top of the paragraph containing that tag, and it is quite
possible that the place with the tag doesn't even show up on that
screen.
It
BTW, if you start supporting this for arbitrary places, you should also
support the id attribute, which allows any element to be used as a
destination for a a href=#... link. Or does Plucker already do this?
Let's also not forget that the 'name' attribute has been dropped
in XHTML 1.1
(Current Plucker DRM is, I take it, not very good, since one could
always compile a custom version of Plucker that instead of loading the
hotsync name from the OS has the hotsync name hardcoded.)
Plucker's Python parser already has a DRM-like feature. We
talked about this a year or
1. Is there any way of adding private plugins that can be distributed
separately and don't have to be merged into the PPI executable?
2. Is the interface sufficient to allow for different kinds of
data/commands to be passed, beyond a simple lookup?
A possible #3, based on #1
Btw, I tried to submit the bug today but the plkr.org web site was all
messed up...maybe I caught it in the middle of server update :)
Can you define all messed up?
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I wish they wouldn't call Plucker freeware; it's free software.
More specifically, Free Software.
I've been dealing with these, and similar issues lately, with the
recent discovery of 4 commercial companies using pilot-link directly in
their commercial non-free products.
At the risk of sparking a flame war, Open Source software has the
decided advantage over Free Software in this regard, given that it is
pronounced differently than free software.
Except that Free Software and Open Source are two completely
different terms, describing two completely
For those with live networked Palm devices, you can now download
.prc and .pdb files _directly_ onto your Palm device from the Palm itself,
using a tool I just found called 'ptorrent'. It's a bit rough around the
edges, but if you load it up, and point it to a Plucker .pdb file (such as
At the moment you have to apply the attached patch to the PalmCUnit
code, but I will contact the current maintainer of PalmCUnit and check
if he could make these minor changes to the main source code. If not,
then I will add the patch to CVS.
For those doing this on Unix/POSIX
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