Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Daniel Johnson
I'm in the process of developing video conferencing software so this discussion is helpful. On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 1:30 PM Michael Dexter wrote: > On 3/27/20 5:17 AM, Ben Koenig wrote: > > "FreeConferenceCall" ??? Really? > > I just got off of Michael B's demo of this. It is quite similar to > Zo

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Michael Dexter
>> Otherwise, please crawl back under your rock. > Not helpful. Agreed. On 3/27/20 7:51 AM, Ben Koenig wrote: It doesn't even matter what your opinion of Trump is. The idea that an anonymous group anywhere in the world can use the data you upload to the internet to directly target you in a p

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Ben Koenig
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf I don't know if people really don't care, or if they are afraid to accept the harsh reality of the world we live in. Russian intelligence agencies directly attacked American politics in 2016. There are documented instances of direct harassment of citizens

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Mike C.
> I don't care what service/software/application/OS/whatever, some people > are going to piss and moan about it because it wasn't their choice or > personal favorite, regardless of whether or not they even actually know > anything about it. We're all equal members of the PLUG community to the bes

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Michael Barnes
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:19 PM Ben Koenig wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:01 AM Michael Dexter > wrote: > > > All, > > > > I'm here for the software and personal freedom. I see open source/free > > software as one of the best strategies (regardless of the specifics), to > > achieve more pe

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Michael Dexter
On 3/27/20 5:17 AM, Ben Koenig wrote: "FreeConferenceCall" ??? Really? I just got off of Michael B's demo of this. It is quite similar to Zoom/Hangouts and no, making something "open source" does not make something inherently more secure, but it does generally insulate you from a company ins

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Ben Koenig
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:46 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, Ben Koenig wrote: > > > With the sudden increase in demand in remote access technologies, and the > > misinformation floating around about open source software being more > > secure, it is important to be wary of new serv

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, Ben Koenig wrote: With the sudden increase in demand in remote access technologies, and the misinformation floating around about open source software being more secure, it is important to be wary of new services that you've never heard of. For the foreseeable future, I recom

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Ben Koenig
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:01 AM Michael Dexter wrote: > All, > > I'm here for the software and personal freedom. I see open source/free > software as one of the best strategies (regardless of the specifics), to > achieve more personal freedom for all individuals. If I were to have a > smart home

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Michael Dexter
All, I'm here for the software and personal freedom. I see open source/free software as one of the best strategies (regardless of the specifics), to achieve more personal freedom for all individuals. If I were to have a smart home, it would HAVE to be based on open source software and I want

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: I will be hosting an online meeting demonstration on Friday from 1200-1300L. For those not available at this time, I can repeat at other times. I've an on-line conference (using Zoom) from 10:00-11:30 today and need to get work done after that. I'l

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: Actually, I just hosted a conference tonight, finished a few minutes ago. Michael, Thanks very much for the detailed explanation. As host, I did need to download and use the the app, but the attendees only needed to use their web browsers. I inst

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-27 Thread Michael Dexter
Hello all, Thank you for the GREAT feedback! On 3/25/20 8:37 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: Here's a comparison: https://www.freeconferencecall.com/blog/webex-zoom-startmeeting-comparison/ FCC supports video and desktop sharing. Users can connect via computer or telephone. FCC allows 1,000 users, Z

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-26 Thread Michael Barnes
I will be hosting an online meeting demonstration on Friday from 1200-1300L. I will be showing documents, applications, portions of a PowerPoint slide show, and my recent POTA activation video. I will entertain questions and comments. You may log in at anytime and stay as long as you like. This wi

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-26 Thread Michael Barnes
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:53 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:22:52 -0700 > Michael Barnes dijo: > > >Actually, I just hosted a conference tonight, finished a few minutes > >ago. We had five attendees. > > What are the maximum number of attendees that the presenter can see on

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-26 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:22:52 -0700 Michael Barnes dijo: >Actually, I just hosted a conference tonight, finished a few minutes >ago. We had five attendees. What are the maximum number of attendees that the presenter can see on their screen? Are the images on the presenter's screen live, as the pr

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-26 Thread Michael Barnes
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:09 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: > > > I have participated in a bunch of webinars and the video was always one > > way. Participants had two way audio and could comment and ask questions, > > nobody could see them. Other than seeing

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-26 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: I have participated in a bunch of webinars and the video was always one way. Participants had two way audio and could comment and ask questions, nobody could see them. Other than seeing who is sleeping or left the room, I see little value in two way vid

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-26 Thread Michael Barnes
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 05:39 Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: > > > I just did two video conference calls today. Works fine. At the bottom > > left of the screen should be three icons, microphone, telephone handset, > > and video camera. The mic symbol mutes your mi

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-26 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: I just did two video conference calls today. Works fine. At the bottom left of the screen should be three icons, microphone, telephone handset, and video camera. The mic symbol mutes your mic, the handset turns audio on and off, and the camera turns you

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread Michael Barnes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 9:45 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:30:43 -0700 > Michael Barnes dijo: > > >I just did two video conference calls today. Works fine. At the bottom > >left of the screen should be three icons, microphone, telephone > >handset, and video camera. The m

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:09:45 -0700 Keith Lofstrom dijo: >Online, I made a hypothetical comment including "you would" >(which should have been phrased as "one would"), which was >interpreted by the just-prior-speaker as a disparaging >personal comment, leading to brief upset. Your difficulty here

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:30:43 -0700 Michael Barnes dijo: >I just did two video conference calls today. Works fine. At the bottom >left of the screen should be three icons, microphone, telephone >handset, and video camera. The mic symbol mutes your mic, the handset >turns audio on and off, and the

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard dijo: >On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > >> A high level of forbearance will be required, because social cues >> will be absent, and many of us are socially inept even with F2F >> interactions. >... >> Lesson learned: In a F2F situa

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread Michael Barnes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 11:17 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: > > > I like FreeConferenceCall.com. Easy to use, unlimited meeting time, up to > > 1,000 attendees. FREE. > > Michael, > > Have you any ideas how FreeConferenceCall compares with Zoom? The latter >

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread Michael Barnes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:49 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: > > > I like FreeConferenceCall.com. Easy to use, unlimited meeting time, up to > > 1,000 attendees. FREE. > > Michael, > > I created an account with them. Then I looked at the video page and did not

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Keith Lofstrom wrote: A high level of forbearance will be required, because social cues will be absent, and many of us are socially inept even with F2F interactions. ... Lesson learned: In a F2F situation, listener facial expression changes would have restructured my hyp

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread Keith Lofstrom
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 03:43:30PM -0700, Michael Dexter wrote: > What are your thoughts on virtual or substitute activities? A high level of forbearance will be required, because social cues will be absent, and many of us are socially inept even with F2F interactions. I'm a remote member of a

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-25 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, Michael Barnes wrote: I like FreeConferenceCall.com. Easy to use, unlimited meeting time, up to 1,000 attendees. FREE. Michael, Have you any ideas how FreeConferenceCall compares with Zoom? The latter says it supports both video and conference connections, the former only

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread Chuck Hast
That would be great for me, never was able to attend a meeting while I lived up in Kalama/Kelso (first Kalama then Kelso) tried to many times, but was either out on the road of busy in some other way. I would certainly enjoy it. Back when I worked for Ozone International, every Monday morning we h

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread Bill Ensley
On 3/24/20 5:53 PM, Bill Ensley wrote: >> Hell, +1 from me, I may even be able to make a meeting for once :) > > Well I'd sure like to see you more Bill! > > Especially given that I see you around OSCON for printing. :-| > > Are you endorsing virtual PLUG or FreeConferenceCall.com specifically? > V

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:43:30 -0700 Michael Dexter dijo: >BUT: What does this mean to you as the audience? What elements such as >Q&A do you need to have to make a live stream any different from a >random YouTube video? For 20 years I earned my living by teaching adult education classes, in a tra

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread Michael Dexter
On 3/24/20 5:53 PM, Bill Ensley wrote: Hell, +1 from me, I may even be able to make a meeting for once :) Well I'd sure like to see you more Bill! Especially given that I see you around OSCON for printing. :-| Are you endorsing virtual PLUG or FreeConferenceCall.com specifically? How are the

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread Bill Ensley
Hell, +1 from me, I may even be able to make a meeting for once :) -Bill Ensley BearPrinting.com On 3/24/2020 5:49 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > I like FreeConferenceCall.com. Easy to use, unlimited meeting time, up to > 1,000 attendees. FREE. > > Michael > _

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread Michael Barnes
I like FreeConferenceCall.com. Easy to use, unlimited meeting time, up to 1,000 attendees. FREE. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread Russell Senior
IRC baby! On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 3:44 PM Michael Dexter wrote: > Hello all, > > OSCON was permanently cancelled today and there is a very good chance > that the face-to-face PLUG meetings will be cancelled for the coming > months. > > What are your thoughts on virtual or substitute activities?

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread Galen Seitz
On 3/24/20 3:43 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: Hello all, OSCON was permanently cancelled today and there is a very good chance that the face-to-face PLUG meetings will be cancelled for the coming months. Neither the OSCON web site nor their twitter feed mentions the cancellation. How did you h

Re: [PLUG] Feedback wanted: Virtual PLUG Events

2020-03-24 Thread John Sechrest
I have moved all my events to online. It has been working well for the last two weeks. I would love to see PDXLinux events end up being virtual. Zoom has worked ok. Currently exploring videofacilitator.com as a networking tool. A slack channel has been helpful for some of the events. On Tue,