SamY wrote:
> Attached is my latest version of Plugin.pm, which contains the fix for
> client volume spiking to 100% when attempting to sync to the AVR. I am
> confident that it should fix the problems many have been experiencing in
> this area. Feedback is welcomed. If you downloaded the
Thanks for this great plug-in. Seems to work fine with my Marantz AV7005
AV processor, and SB Touch using digital in.
Very convenient to control the system volume from within Material skin!
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No worries. Thanks for maintaining the plugin and fixing the issue.
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I had incorrectly created the zip file that contained all the plugin
files. This has been repaired and replaced now. It may take a few hours
to trickle into play so try tomorrow for sure.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Chris
Aesculus wrote:
> Looking into this. Oddly I cannot see 2.1 in the Plugins. It still shows
> 2.0 in my LMS.
I'm running a docker from lmscommunity/logitechmediaserver:stable
Version is currently: Version: 8.1.2 - 1613284909 @ Sun Feb 14
09:06:07 CET 2021
I've not been messing
lalu01 wrote:
> I have the same problem. In what directory exactly should i copy the
> files? Can you point me the way? Thanks!
Hopefully this won't conflict with the real fix when it turns up, but
cd into the folder
Looking into this. Oddly I cannot see 2.1 in the Plugins. It still shows
2.0 in my LMS.
Chris
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jsebright wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been having a problem that the plugin wasn't loading and it's taken
> a bit of working out. I tried removing the repository, restarting the
> server, adding it back in etc. but that didn't work.
> Left it for a day or so and I've seen that you've been releasing
jsebright wrote:
> Hopefully this can either help you track down the issue, or help others
> with the same issue.
>
> Jon.
I had the same problem with the new (2.1) code drop.
Sam
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Hi,
I've been having a problem that the plugin wasn't loading and it's taken
a bit of working out. I tried removing the repository, restarting the
server, adding it back in etc. but that didn't work.
Left it for a day or so and I've seen that you've been releasing some
new versions, so carried
SamY wrote:
> Okay. Sounds good. I'll roll it into my next update, which will also
> fix the failure of the player to power up the AVR on the first attempt
> after an LMS restart.
Perfect. I can tweak it for a UI once I see what you are doing.
Chris
Aesculus wrote:
> I'll have to think about that. It may be that this should be implemented
> with a UI change (option?).
Okay. Sounds good. I'll roll it into my next update, which will also
fix the failure of the player to power up the AVR on the first attempt
after an LMS restart.
Sam
SamY wrote:
> No problem, Chris. Thanks for your help. I have one more small change
> I'd like to get in if you think it would be useful. It would sync the
> client volume to the AVR each time the player is paused, regardless of
> whether the volume synching option is selected. This would allow
Aesculus wrote:
>
> Once again thank you for taking this on.
No problem, Chris. Thanks for your help. I have one more small change
I'd like to get in if you think it would be useful. It would sync the
client volume to the AVR each time the player is paused, regardless of
whether the volume
I was able to find the time tonight to try out the updated plugin.pm
file. I used the web gui, Squeezer on Android, iPeng on an iOS 14.x iPad
Pro, and a SB Touch players native UI.
All worked flawlessly. I am really amazed and appreciative for all that
@SamY has done here. This has been on my
SamY wrote:
> I have great news! I went over to the Logitech/slimserver Github site
> and started browsing the Client.pm module in the slimserver/Slim/Player
> folder to see what other callback subroutines are defined for the client
> object besides the ones currently used by the plugin, such
Aesculus wrote:
> I'll turn on debug too and try out the various devices to see if I can
> see a pattern.
>
> Hopefully it will be obvious and then I can put in some simple logic to
> figure out what the intent is. The problem with a setting is that I
> think its client dependent.
>
> My
SamY wrote:
> Thanks, Chris. In terms of the volume synchronization, I'd like to more
> fully support the client volume up/down protocol, which comes in as a
> '+n' or '-n' volume change request, where n essentially represents a
> percentage that the volume should be adjusted. For example, the
Aesculus wrote:
> Thank you for doing this. Let me try the changes over the next few days.
> If it all makes sense I can put them into a 2.1 version.
>
>
>
> Do you have any specific thoughts on how you would like to see this
> implemented?
Thanks, Chris. In terms of the volume
Thank you for doing this. Let me try the changes over the next few days.
It it all makes sense I can put them into a 2.1 version.
SamY wrote:
> Let me say at this time that I highly recommend using the syncing option
> for the MAIN zone. In fact, I can't think of any reason not to. In the
>
Hello all. I am pleased to announce that I have completed my
modifications to Plugin.pm in support of safe and accurate volume
management, and I would like to get some feedback. My testing so far is
very encouraging. Following is a summary of the changes that are
incorporated in the attached
edwin2006 wrote:
> Would it be possible to add this plugin into the 3rd party plugin
> library of LMS?
It's already there. Look for:
"DENON AVP/AVR Control (v2.0)"
Sam
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Would it be possible to add this plugin into the 3rd party plugin
library of LMS?
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(Study 2),
SamY wrote:
> Sort of. It fixes a problem where the client volume can spike up to 100%
> when trying to sync to the AVR volume. This commonly happens
> at track changes when "Enable synching the volume" is selected in the
> plugin player settings. I don't have Squeeze CTRL and I don't want to
DavidBulluss wrote:
> Will do! When I tested your original one I was disappointed that
> changing the volume on my phone using Squeeze CTRL didn't sinc the
> player controls to the same level, is that what you have fixed?
>
> David.
Sort of. It fixes a problem where the client volume can
SamY wrote:
> Hi David. Please download the newer version attached to my previous post
> which fixes a problem with client volume synchronization. Thanks...
>
> -Sam
Will do! When I tested your original one I was disappointed that
changing the volume on my phone using Squeeze CTRL didn't sinc
DavidBulluss wrote:
> I have renamed the previous plugin.pm to pluginOLD.pm and dropped your
> version into the folder. Have restarted but not yet tested, will do this
> evening after work. Thanks for your effort, I imagine it will work
> well!
>
> Regards, David
Hi David. Please download the
Aesculus wrote:
> Well the problem does not occur with the web interface or iPeng.
>
> The other "client" that has this problem is the UI on the Touch when set
> to 100%. I never pursued that but maybe your fix will help there too.
Attached is my latest version of Plugin.pm, which contains
SamY wrote:
> Hi Chris (and David). I also use Squeezer on Android and it works great
> except for the volume up/down using the phone's volume controls, which
> this change makes possible to use. Yes, the plugin option to sync with
> the AVR after each track is what I was referring to in my
Aesculus wrote:
> This looks good to me. I will try it out this weekend with the web
> browser, iPeng and Squeezer.
>
> Thanks for doing this.
You might want to hold off on your testing for a bit, Chris. I just ran
into the situation you are having with the volume going to 100% using
Squeezer
SamY wrote:
> The way I see it, the problem isn't in Squeezer. It's in Plugin.pm. The
> good news is it's an easy fix. I'm actually not sure why it doesn't
> cause problems with other clients other than maybe they are smart enough
> to ignore out-of-range values.
Well the problem does not
Aesculus wrote:
> OK. Is it worth having Squeezer fixed? I supposed we could put some
> brackets into the value Squeezer gives that makes it more stable.
The way I see it, the problem isn't in Squeezer. It's in Plugin.pm. The
good news is it's an easy fix. I'm actually not sure why it doesn't
SamY wrote:
> You might want to hold off on your testing for a bit, Chris. I just ran
> into the situation you are having with the volume going to 100% using
> Squeezer and I believe I see where the problem is. It's the same problem
> that user gnackwatschn reported above and my debug log looks
SamY wrote:
> Hi Chris (and David). I also use Squeezer on Android and it works great
> except for the volume up/down using the phone's volume controls, which
> this change makes possible to use. Yes, the plugin option to sync with
> the AVR after each track is what I was referring to in my
Aesculus wrote:
> I am interested in what you have done. It works OK on iPeng but I have
> also had issues with Squeezer on Android using 100% volume. Maybe this
> will help.
>
> BTW one of the options in the plugin will resync the player with the amp
> after every track. Not sure if that
SamY wrote:
> If anyone is interested in testing with other client apps or AVR's, let
> me know. I'm not sure whether the MVUP/MVDOWN commands are universally
> supported but they work very well on my old AVR-3311ci.
>
> -Sam
I am interested in what you have done. It works OK on iPeng but I
SamY wrote:
> Hello all. I have been using this plugin for a couple of years now and
> love the functionality it offers. Coincidentally, I have recently been
> testing some changes to plugin.pm which fix both problems reported by
> DAR. The simpler of the two, which takes care of the occasional
Hello all. I have been using this plugin for a couple of years now and
love the functionality it offers. Coincidentally, I have recently been
testing some changes to plugin.pm which fix both problems reported by
DAR. The simpler of the two, which takes care of the occasional log
message "Can't
AFAIK it is not possible to play multiple dlna streams to a Denon
receiver at the same time. This might be the reason, why it only shows
up as one device.
muflon_ wrote:
> Gents,
> any hints (for beginner) how can I use 3 zones in my Denon receiver as
> separate players in LMS
> I would like
Gents,
any hints (for beginner) how can I use 3 zones in my Denon receiver as
separate players in LMS
I would like to integrate it with Loxone and I'm playing with plugin
UPNP Bridge but this can see receiver only once (not 3 for each zone)
Many thanks
Hi everyone,
I have installed the plugin on my LMS 8.1.0 under Raspbian Buster. The
configuration of my AVR (DENON S750H) was easy and nearly everything
works fine (on / off, quick settings, volume changing...).
Unfortunatly there is one show-stopper: While playing a playlist or a
TuneIn radio
peterw wrote:
> DAR,
>
> For Android, try the app Squeezer - it allows changing the Squeezebox
> volume when the SB output is fixed at 100%. Plays well with iPeng and my
> DenonSerial plugin.
>
> Have you tried my DenonSerial plugin? I've always been under the
> impression that Chris' AVP
peterw wrote:
> DAR,
>
> For Android, try the app Squeezer - it allows changing the Squeezebox
> volume when the SB output is fixed at 100%. Plays well with iPeng and my
> DenonSerial plugin.
>
>
For some reason Squeezer does not work for me like iPeng does at 100% on
my SB Touch. It jumps
DAR wrote:
> Thanks for your responses, Chris. Turns out that the DenonSerial plugin
> seems to work well for my purposes, so I think I will just go with
> that.
>
> Hope your new year is off to a good start!
Good. There may be a nuance in how Peter wrote his code that helps here.
Chris
Thanks for your responses, Chris. Turns out that the DenonSerial plugin
seems to work well for my purposes, so I think I will just go with
that.
Hope your new year is off to a good start!
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DAR,
For Android, try the app Squeezer - it allows changing the Squeezebox
volume when the SB output is fixed at 100%. Plays well with iPeng and my
DenonSerial plugin.
Have you tried my DenonSerial plugin? I've always been under the
impression that Chris' AVP control was nicer, but if it's
iPeng definitely works with the player 100% fixed volume and the plugin.
He made a specific change for that. The player menu itself won't work
and also I cannot use Squeezer on my Android either. The web browser
should work though as I use that all the time.
Here is your problem: The old
Thanks, Chris. Here is some more logging that occurs when I click the
"softer" and then the "louder" button at each end of the volume slider
for this player on the LMS web page. The error message I sent
previously seems to have come from the "softer" command, which sends
"new SB vol: -2". As
You might try to set Debug On in LMS and see what the volume adjust is
sending. It will log the value just before that error.
My guess is your device sends over a different volume adjustment than
what was coded for.
Chris
Chris,
I emailed you recently about setting up this plugin for an old Denon
receiver (AVR-2805), but I'll comment here about my experiences in order
to take advantage of this group's collective insight. By way of
background, I am switching over from an IRBlaster setup as my final SB3
classic
MarSOnEarth wrote:
> I'm still far from jumping in, but low level socket programming (which
> the Async module seems to me) is a bear, and the reason I'm looking at
> the Net::Telnet high level module.
>
> But, regarding the post you are referencing above; is it really
> necessary to
MarSOnEarth wrote:
> I'm still far from jumping in, but low level socket programming (which
> the Async module seems to me) is a bear, and the reason I'm looking at
> the Net::Telnet high level module.
>
> But, regarding the post you are referencing above; is it really
> necessary to
Aesculus wrote:
> Interesting I was looking at subscribed threads and found this
> unanswered one from eons ago
>
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93473-Problem-with-socket-not-returning-data-on-callback-in-plugin
I'm still far from jumping in, but low level socket programming
Interesting I was looking at subscribed threads and found this
unanswered one from eons ago
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93473-Problem-with-socket-not-returning-data-on-callback-in-plugin
Chris
DavidBulluss wrote:
> I do not use the remote, only touch screen on the SBT... and of course
> the Squeeze Ctrl app on android.
>
> Logitech Media Server Version: 8.0.0 - 1594451286
I tried my SBT and all I can say is that it is a bit weird. There are
two options:
1. Regular
2 100% Fixed
Aesculus wrote:
> OK. Since I experience non of this without the logs showing the issue I
> would not know where to start.
>
> Once you collect them I am willing to review them with you to see if we
> can identify a pattern or an issue. I'll have to dust of the PERL
> memory cells. :-)
After
Aesculus wrote:
> I have a Touch and can try this out. Are you using the screen on the
> Touch or the remote?
>
> Also what firmware is on your Touch?
I do not use the remote, only touch screen on the SBT... and of course
the Squeeze Ctrl app on android.
Logitech Media Server Version: 8.0.0
DavidBulluss wrote:
> I use the Denon app and love it, but there is an odd behavior that is
> similar to that being discussed here that I have noticed. If I control
> the volume using an app on my smart phone (Squeeze Ctrl) it works as
> expected, but if I then try to adjust the volume directly
Aesculus wrote:
> OK. Since I experience non of this without the logs showing the issue I
> would not know where to start.
>
> Once you collect them I am willing to review them with you to see if we
> can identify a pattern or an issue. I'll have to dust of the PERL
> memory cells. :-)
I use
MarSOnEarth wrote:
> Most of my gear in the living room, including the receiver (AVR-X1300W)
> is hardwired over 1Gbps switch after being bridged over PowerLine
> (HomePlug) AV2 device @ 500 Mbps. The average ping times are in the 3ms
> range, so latency should not be an issue.
>
> At its
Aesculus wrote:
> It's really Telnet (Denon AVP protocol) but is carried over the ethernet
> port. I wonder if some of your timing issues could be communications
> port related?
>
> 31054
>
> EDIT: Note I have never looked into or tried the Net::Telnet module
Most of my gear in the living
MarSOnEarth wrote:
> Although I'm staying on the 7.9 branch, this is good to know.
>
> As to the performance of the plugin itself, timing glitches seem to be
> the only issue with it, and sometimes those can be quite severe.
>
> To that point, I see that you are using the built-in
Aesculus wrote:
> Just to let you know I have updated to LMS 8.0.0 and everything seems to
> work OK for me.
>
> If you have an issue run debug and post the problem here.
Although I'm staying on the 7.9 branch, this is good to know.
As to the performance of the plugin itself, timing glitches
Just to let you know I have updated to LMS 8.0.0 and everything seems to
work OK for me.
If you have an issue run debug and post the problem here.
Chris
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MarSOnEarth wrote:
> Stability and repeatability ;-)
>
> OK, seriously though; now that all seems to be working OK, I'll be using
> the plug-in while keeping debugging on.
>
> Fingers crossed.
>
> Thanks!
Sounds great. Maybe some networking issues?
Let me know if issues crop up again.
Aesculus wrote:
> OK. So do we have any issues to work on then?
Stability and repeatability ;-)
OK, seriously though; now that all seems to be working OK, I'll be using
the plug-in while keeping debugging on.
Fingers crossed.
Thanks!
MarSOnEarth wrote:
> BTW, 'telnet' connects now too. (shrug)
OK. So do we have any issues to work on then?
Chris
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BTW, 'telnet' connects now too. (shrug)
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Aesculus wrote:
> Post any revelations that you find in case I need to update the plugin.
OK, a new attempt, but firstly the thing about my receiver (AVR-1300W).
Now I know what triggers it's "funny" state. In its web I/F there is a
"Web Update" button (in addition to the two exposed through
MarSOnEarth wrote:
> I will. Got all "distracted" with setting up a TV we just got.
>
> Later
Got around to run some test and:
a) could not reproduce the previously observed behavior, and
b) discovered a new problem, but it's most likely with the AVR itself.
When I get around to it, I'll
Aesculus wrote:
> Post any revelations that you find in case I need to update the plugin.
I will. Got all "distracted" with setting up a TV we just got.
Later
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MarSOnEarth wrote:
> Thanks for your suggestion. After setting up a few tests there's
> hope... things are repeatable. Next I'll capture the debug information.
>
> Thanks
Post any revelations that you find in case I need to update the plugin.
Chris
Aesculus wrote:
> You might try turning on Debug (go the Settings page and select
> Advanced>Logging and then select Debug for DenonAVPControl).
> ...
Thanks for your suggestion. After setting up a few tests there's
hope... things are repeatable. Next I'll capture the debug information.
MarSOnEarth wrote:
> I'm using LMS (on Win10) with your plugin playing into Rpi 4/HiFiBerry
> DAC+ combo and into a Denon AVR-X1300W.
>
> Things basically work, but there are odd things happening with volume.
> With version 1.5, the plugin would switch the AVR on, select the right
> input,
I'm using LMS (on Win10) with your plugin playing into Rpi 4/HiFiBerry
DAC+ combo and into a Denon AVR-X1300W.
Things basically work, but there are odd things happening with volume.
With version 1.5, the plugin would switch the AVR on, select the right
input, and in v1.5 it would set the
Aesculus wrote:
> For those that are interested the plugin has been updated to Version
> 2.0. It should be available via an update from LMS.
>
> Major change is the addition of a setting to put a delay in the
> QuickStart selection after turning the unit on.
This is one of my most used apps
For those that are interested the plugin has been updated to Version
2.0. It should be available via an update from LMS.
Major change is the addition of a setting to put a delay in the
QuickStart selection after turning the unit on.
Chris
That's good news! Thanks for making this happen.
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(Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x
piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch
(Study 2), few spare unit's
*Server:* LMS on
I have moved the plugin over to Git so you can more easily install it.
Also look for it to be in the standard plugins in the near future
This time the integration run fine. It should show up in your LMS soon.
--
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edwin2006 wrote:
> That would be great since I just own a denon avr.
> Would this mean that the plugin also works on picoreplayer?
I am using it on a picoreplayer with 2 Devon AVR amps in the house,
works nicely. It will be good to have it in a repository and featured as
a standard plugin
edwin2006 wrote:
> That would be great since I just own a denon avr.
> Would this mean that the plugin also works on picoreplayer?
It only works with receivers that utilize the Denon and Marantz
protocols.
Chris
That would be great since I just own a denon avr.
Would this mean that the plugin also works on picoreplayer?
*SqueezeBoxes:* 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio
(Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x
piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie
I have moved the plugin over to Git so you can more easily install it.
Also look for it to be in the standard plugins in the near future
https://github.com/aesculus/denonavpcontrol/blob/master/repo.xml
Chris
Aesculus's
squeezehouse wrote:
> I am currently moving my home server from a dated MacMini to a Ubuntu
> machine.
> I need to install the Denon AVP control plugin like it used to be on my
> mac.
> Now I'm trying to follow the local install guide below but since LMS is
> installed under the user
Hmm.. Interestingly (frustratingly) today I had some unrelated issues
with my Windows server system and now it appears that the plugin won't
load. Can't figure out yet why.
The changes I made were put in roughshod. Marantz (same parent company
as Denon) uses a number of commands that are
Aesculus wrote:
> Interestingly enough I noticed for some reason that the Settings for the
> plugin cannot be accessed from the web interface (LMS 7.7.2 - r33893).
> This may be because the Google Code repository is no longer valid.
>
> I have not touched my LMS server for years nor looked at
DavidBulluss wrote:
> Am looking forward to seeing what you are about to do with it too! It
> works well for me at the moment with two dif DENON amps connected
> respectively to 2 different SBTs. My only problem is that when using 2
> SBTs synced and switching off 1 of them (and consequently the
Aesculus wrote:
> It would be interesting to see what you have in mind. For me it's
> working OK. The biggest issue is that audio choices never reflected
> their current states until you selected an item. Never could figure out
> how to get it to reflect the states when first opened.
Am looking
MelonMonkey wrote:
>
> Everything looks straight forward enough, including saving the settings.
It would be interesting to see what you have in mind. For me it's
working OK. The biggest issue is that audio choices never reflected
their current states until you selected an item. Never could
Aesculus wrote:
> No. It's not maintained. Do you have the source?
It's just perl, so I can just edit in place or work on a copy of the
installed parts.
Bruno
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Linux' (http://twistedmelon.com/shop/?show=bug1)*
MelonMonkey wrote:
> Is this plugin still maintained? It's working well with my Marantz
> AV7703, but needs a few changes/enhancements for my system (additional
> commands pre and post power). If it's not being maintained I might
> eventually make some time to hack the changes in myself, but if
Is this plugin still maintained? It's working well with my Marantz
AV7703, but needs a few changes/enhancements. If it's not being
maintained I might eventually make some time to hack the changes in
myself, but if it is, some simple changes would best be done by Chris
the author (or whomever is
Hmm... seems that this plugin uses the telnet way to talk to the Denon.
As my AVR-X3000 won't respond to telnet at this moment ( I suppose that
this has to do with a known problem petween the Denon AVRs and the
router (AVM Fritzbox 7490)), unfortunately I can't test it:
Code:
Thank you very much, Paul. This way, the plugin installation worked
perfectly.
Regards
Martin
PCP (always latest version) on RasPi 3 with PhatDac (player & server)
PCP on several RasPis 2 +3
2 Airplay speakers (Sony SA-NS510) integrated via Airplay Bridge Plugin
Because the google code stuff is shut down. While the repo file is
still there. The download link for the zip file in the repo.xml file
is no longer good.
You can download the zip files from here and manually install.
https://code.google.com/archive/p/denonavpcontrol/downloads
I have problems too when trying to activate the plugin. I can
successfully activate the repo
Code:
https://storage.googleapis.com/google-code-archive-downloads/v2/code.google.com/denonavpcontrol/repo.xml
And after doing so, the plugin is displayed
Long shot to post in a thread that seemed to die in 2014, but here we
go!
Trying to load this plugin into LMS 7.9.1 on pCP and am able to place
the same folder of files that I used in my ReadyNAS (successfully) into
the plugin folder in slimserver, installed plugins - after restarting
LMS the
I am using the Squeezebox Radio, a DENON AVR 3311 and the DENON AVP/AVR
control plugin (v1.9.2). For the plugin I followed the installation
instructions at Google Code.
So now if I turn on the SB the DENON turns on as well and it starts the
defined Quick Selection (Net/USB).
But, if I understood
puck08 wrote:
I am using the Squeezebox Radio, a DENON AVR 3311 and the DENON AVP/AVR
control plugin (v1.9.2). For the plugin I followed the installation
instructions at Google Code.
So now if I turn on the SB the DENON turns on as well and it starts the
defined Quick Selection (Net/USB).
Hi all,
Is there a way to disable the on and off action however use the volume
control?
Maybe open the file up and delete the command? I wouldn't know where to
start
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