Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-02 Thread Christian Surchi
Il giorno mar, 01/12/2009 alle 13.15 -0800, Joe ha scritto: > > Why not just use Debian > > then, instead of Ubuntu? > Because enterprise support is available for ubuntu, and also, if someone > is familiar with ubuntu desktop already it makes sense for them to > deploy ubuntu server if servers ar

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro - Thank you all for the input.

2009-12-02 Thread John
We have decided to go with Centos as it is RedHat based and we hope similar to Fedora. At the same time I am going to start playing with a Ubuntu/Debian server just to see how easy it is to get the config and results we want. Once again thank you all for your input John A

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-02 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
Always is the same: the best option is the best for you needs. So, the best could be any distro that you feel comfortable with. Obviously there're out there some distros which are server-oriented (CentOS, Debian) or desktop-oriented and so on, but really it doesn't matter. Choose your favorite

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread d . hill
Quoting Eero Volotinen : Quoting David Koski : On Tuesday 01 December 2009, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, don't you really mean? # apt-get purge exim # apt-get install postfix Last I tried I couldn't remove the MTA without replacement. The onliner "apt-get --purge install postfix" installs pos

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
David Koski wrote: > On Tuesday 01 December 2009, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> BTW, don't you really mean? >> >> # apt-get purge exim >> # apt-get install postfix > > Last I tried I couldn't remove the MTA without replacement. The > onliner "apt-get --purge install postfix" installs postfix and purge

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Eero Volotinen
Quoting David Koski : On Tuesday 01 December 2009, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, don't you really mean? # apt-get purge exim # apt-get install postfix Last I tried I couldn't remove the MTA without replacement. The onliner "apt-get --purge install postfix" installs postfix and purges exim witho

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread David Koski
On Tuesday 01 December 2009, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > BTW, don't you really mean? > > # apt-get purge exim > # apt-get install postfix Last I tried I couldn't remove the MTA without replacement. The onliner "apt-get --purge install postfix" installs postfix and purges exim without complaining abo

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
David Koski put forth on 12/1/2009 10:45 PM: > For example, doing a distribution upgrade > has rendered a system unbootable and made me boot from CD to fix it. I have > never had a problem upgrading Debian. I have even upgraded several remotely > without a problem. Try upgrading RH 3 to 4 to

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread David Koski
On Tuesday 01 December 2009, Terry L. Inzauro wrote: > Personally, Debian Stable (currently Lenny) is my Linux of choice for > production system. Package management via apt is second to none and > everything is very well documented with a willing and able community for > support. > > > Why resta

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:20 PM, John wrote: > Thank you all for your input, having looked at the responses and > discussed amongst ourselves and as I am the grunt doing the work, we > will probably go with Centos. > Some of our reasoning was, it close to Fedora so we have some > experience, there

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread John
Thank you all for your input, having looked at the responses and discussed amongst ourselves and as I am the grunt doing the work, we will probably go with Centos. Some of our reasoning was, it close to Fedora so we have some experience, there are several third party repositories that carry the "la

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Joe
Udo Rader wrote: > Brian Mathis wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>> Stan Hoeppner wrote: I've been a Debian (non-GUI) user for almost 10 years. I've never touched Ubuntu, or any other distro. Debian has always come through for my server needs, so I've nev

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Udo Rader
Brian Mathis wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: Stan Hoeppner wrote: I've been a Debian (non-GUI) user for almost 10 years. I've never touched Ubuntu, or any other distro. Debian has always come through for my server needs, so I've never considered anything else. Convince me

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Brian Mathis
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: > Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> I've been a >> Debian (non-GUI) user for almost 10 years.  I've never touched Ubuntu, >> or any other distro.  Debian has always come through for my server >> needs, so I've never considered anything else.  Convince me why I shou

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Joe
Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Half your argument is based on Debian features. Which are also, therefore, ubuntu features. > Why not just use Debian > then, instead of Ubuntu? Because enterprise support is available for ubuntu, and also, if someone is familiar with ubuntu desktop already it makes sens

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Scott Kitterman put forth on 12/1/2009 12:22 PM: > I am in favor of Ubuntu Server for Postfix related uses. Postfix is the > standard MTA, so it's use is well documented, pretty much everything you > might want to add on to Postfix is packaged so there's no need to hunt down > external reposito

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:39:06 -0500 John Peach wrote: >On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:30:36 +0200 >Eero Volotinen wrote: > >> >> > Centos 5.4 - while it looks like a good choice, there has been some >> > political infighting going on recently which makes us a little >> > nervous about its future. In addi

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
John put forth on 12/1/2009 9:51 AM: > I took a quick look at Debian, but as it was very similar to Ubuntu > (which I know is based on Debian) it looked to have the same problems > from our perspective. An example, from the Postfix setup was the > replacement of the LMTP process binary with a syml

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Joe
John Peach wrote: > On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:30:36 +0200 > Eero Volotinen wrote: > > >>> Centos 5.4 - while it looks like a good choice, there has been some >>> political infighting going on recently which makes us a little >>> nervous about its future. In addition we have found that a number >>>

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Mark Blackman
On 01/12/2009 14:09, John wrote: Sorry to bring this here, but we are having trouble setting up a Postfix/dovecot mail system. Background: We are a bunch of retirees, so cost is a factor in any decision. We all have IT experience, some of going back decades, however the world of Linux and its so

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread /dev/rob0
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:51:31AM -0500, John wrote: > Terry L. Inzauro wrote: > > When it comes down to it, the best distro is the one "you" know > > how to use. I would start with a distro that you are most > > comfortable with and know how to use the best. +1 ... I started on Slackware and

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Charles Marcus
On 12/1/2009, Eero Volotinen (eero.voloti...@iki.fi) wrote: > Are you really using lot of servers (like 100 pieces) with gentoo on > production environment? No, only 3 - what made you think 'our in-house servers' meant hundreds? I do know a few people who manage them in the hundreds with some cus

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread John
Terry L. Inzauro wrote: > John wrote: > >> Sorry to bring this here, but we are having trouble setting up a >> Postfix/dovecot mail system. >> >> Background: >> We are a bunch of retirees, so cost is a factor in any decision. We all >> have IT experience, some of going back decades, however the

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Eero Volotinen
Charles Marcus wrote: On 12/1/2009 10:08 AM, Brian Evans - Postfix List wrote: I personally use Gentoo for all my Linux needs. I wasn't going to say anything, but I'll add a 'me too' here. Are you really using lot of servers (like 100 pieces) with gentoo on production environment? -- Eer

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Charles Marcus
On 12/1/2009 10:08 AM, Brian Evans - Postfix List wrote: > > I personally use Gentoo for all my Linux needs. I wasn't going to say anything, but I'll add a 'me too' here. I've been using Gentoo only for our in house servers since 2005. They've all been through 2 major GCC version updates, and I'

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Terry L. Inzauro
John wrote: > Sorry to bring this here, but we are having trouble setting up a > Postfix/dovecot mail system. > > Background: > We are a bunch of retirees, so cost is a factor in any decision. We all > have IT experience, some of going back decades, however the world of > Linux and its software is

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Brian Evans - Postfix List
On 12/1/2009 9:09 AM, John wrote: > Sorry to bring this here, but we are having trouble setting up a > Postfix/dovecot mail system. > > Background: > We are a bunch of retirees, so cost is a factor in any decision. We all > have IT experience, some of going back decades, however the world of > Linu

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Terry Carmen
> Centos 5.4 - while it looks like a good choice, there has been some > political infighting going on recently which makes us a little nervous > about its future. In addition we have found that a number of the core > packages we wish to use are out of date (postfix, dovecot, amavisd-new > among the

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Brian Mathis
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:39 AM, John Peach wrote: > On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:30:36 +0200 > Eero Volotinen wrote: >> > Centos 5.4 - while it looks like a good choice, there has been some >> > political infighting going on recently which makes us a little >> > nervous about its future. In addition we

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread John Peach
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:30:36 +0200 Eero Volotinen wrote: > > > Centos 5.4 - while it looks like a good choice, there has been some > > political infighting going on recently which makes us a little > > nervous about its future. In addition we have found that a number > > of the core packages we

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Thomas Harold
On 12/1/2009 9:09 AM, John wrote: Fedora - a little too dynamic for use as a server. This is to be expected as it is a development system which I don't think is aimed at a production like environment, plus the latest release seems very desktop oriented. FC supposedly changes too much. I might

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Eero Volotinen
Eero Volotinen wrote: Centos 5.4 - while it looks like a good choice, there has been some political infighting going on recently which makes us a little nervous about its future. In addition we have found that a number of the core packages we wish to use are out of date (postfix, dovecot, amavi

Re: OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread Eero Volotinen
Centos 5.4 - while it looks like a good choice, there has been some political infighting going on recently which makes us a little nervous about its future. In addition we have found that a number of the core packages we wish to use are out of date (postfix, dovecot, amavisd-new among them). C

OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread John
Sorry to bring this here, but we are having trouble setting up a Postfix/dovecot mail system. Background: We are a bunch of retirees, so cost is a factor in any decision. We all have IT experience, some of going back decades, however the world of Linux and its software is new to us all. We used th

OT: need some advice as to distro

2009-12-01 Thread John
Sorry to bring this here, but we are having trouble setting up a Postfix/dovecot mail system. Background: We are a bunch of retirees, so cost is a factor in any decision. We all have IT experience, some of going back decades, however the world of Linux and its software is new to us all. We used th