[PEDA] AW: DXP Variants / version control
Hi Peder, after beta testing the DXP, I suggest to upgrade, if protel is the tool you do your daily work. Nevertheless you should know : - DXP is a new system, you have to invest some time to learn new methodes. - the global select and change is fully changed, also not fully understood, I can do significantly more with this. You can build logically expressions for example items between min and max values to overcome some rounding problems. - library items have a 'unique id' it is now possible to identify footprints and parts for their version. - You can make variants of your board, that means you can give a part a parameter if present or not or what value in different variants of the board. - Integrated libraries enables you to be sure, that the right schematic part is linked to the correct footprint and even simulation model if you want. - The DDB is aborted. You have a design file, which only contains the links to the work files. That means, loading is extremely faster than 99SE ever could be. - The new router seems to be better, tests are going on. - The simulation works if you use correct models. These are some of my personal impressions. Maybe this points are not the major highlights. Again, this is not a simple upgrade, but a new system. I admit, that I not fully understand some important features till now and keep on learning. Sooner or later 99SE is the old and DXP the new system. You depend on assistance, maintenance und upgrades, so you have to go the way invest your time and money to the new system. I bought the upgrade and estimate to run it parallel to 99SE until the begin of next year. Then I want to switch over. Georg Hi all DXP users. Is the variants and vesrion control in DXP worth the upgrade ? Which other things in DXP gains the value comparing to 99SE ? Let me hear what you think. Peder * Tracking #: 1D4332AE6E48A24689B96442F00803B5EE857669 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] File Size Limit?
Hi, Due to some weirdness at our assembly house, they can't accept a normal pick and place file. They want a Protel ASCII PCB file, which they then import and create the necessary data for their machinery. This has been OK up 'till now, with an output file format of 35MByte. A recent variant of our product has increased this due to more poly planes. Now we get an error message File is too large on doing FILE/SaveAs with ASCII file format, when we look at the (partial) file that has been created, its 56MByte. Is this limit on ASCII PCB files something we can get round, or is it a hard limit? Thanks for any advice in advance Jason. * Tracking #: 5738420760154844A745991036FBBB786168A5E5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: DXP Variants / version control
Georg wrote I bought the upgrade and estimate to run it parallel to 99SE until the begin of next year. Georg, Some of us cant afford to run in parrallel and certainly cant afford any more Altium Frankenstein experiments. Mike Reagan EDSI * Tracking #: 50E71B857A6C8043A5CF661956DF9590A4CCC9AB * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit?
Hi Jason, No idea about the size limit, but does your assembly house require the poly planes included? Emanuel Jason Morgan wrote: Hi, Due to some weirdness at our assembly house, they can't accept a normal pick and place file. They want a Protel ASCII PCB file, which they then import and create the necessary data for their machinery. This has been OK up 'till now, with an output file format of 35MByte. A recent variant of our product has increased this due to more poly planes. Now we get an error message File is too large on doing FILE/SaveAs with ASCII file format, when we look at the (partial) file that has been created, its 56MByte. Is this limit on ASCII PCB files something we can get round, or is it a hard limit? Thanks for any advice in advance Jason. * Tracking #: 5738420760154844A745991036FBBB786168A5E5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit?
Nope, one option (to reduce the file size) is as you imply to remove unnecessary data, its just a faff. (P.S. its 99se sp6) -Original Message- From: Emanuel Zimmermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 August 2002 12:42 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit? Hi Jason, No idea about the size limit, but does your assembly house require the poly planes included? Emanuel Jason Morgan wrote: Hi, Due to some weirdness at our assembly house, they can't accept a normal pick and place file. They want a Protel ASCII PCB file, which they then import and create the necessary data for their machinery. This has been OK up 'till now, with an output file format of 35MByte. A recent variant of our product has increased this due to more poly planes. Now we get an error message File is too large on doing FILE/SaveAs with ASCII file format, when we look at the (partial) file that has been created, its 56MByte. Is this limit on ASCII PCB files something we can get round, or is it a hard limit? Thanks for any advice in advance Jason. * Tracking #: 5738420760154844A745991036FBBB786168A5E5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE license
Hello, Lloyd, I also tried to send you an e-mail off-line but it failed. We have 2 Protel 99SE licenses for sale. So if you are interested, you can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards Isabelle Baudry * Tracking #: 829E3B0FF5C7F7478FFE33D1B83E810E98941267 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: DXP Variants / version control
IT'S ALIVE! Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] AW: DXP Variants / version control Georg wrote I bought the upgrade and estimate to run it parallel to 99SE until the begin of next year. Georg, Some of us cant afford to run in parrallel and certainly cant afford any more Altium Frankenstein experiments. Mike Reagan EDSI * Tracking #: 50E71B857A6C8043A5CF661956DF9590A4CCC9AB * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] DXP and Specctra
Hello, just a short question, as I did not have the time to evaluate the DXP trial so far: In the documentation/tutorials Altium placed on their website concerning DXP I did not find a single word about a Specctra interface. Does DXP have such an interface like 99SE or not, and did anyone test it? Mit freundlichem Gruß Kind regards Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH www.nateurope.com * Tracking #: 9D4B1D0532A03D418FB343079AD700224F27D02D * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] AW: DXP and Specctra
Hi Gisbert, you can export a *.dsn file. But till now, I didn't try it, because about other problems. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2002 14:56 An: Protel EDA Forum Betreff: [PEDA] DXP and Specctra Hello, just a short question, as I did not have the time to evaluate the DXP trial so far: In the documentation/tutorials Altium placed on their website concerning DXP I did not find a single word about a Specctra interface. Does DXP have such an interface like 99SE or not, and did anyone test it? Mit freundlichem Gru Kind regards Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH www.nateurope.com * Tracking #: 9D4B1D0532A03D418FB343079AD700224F27D02D * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] 99SE Crashes when trying to close design
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Re: [PEDA] 99SE Crashes when trying to close design
[PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit?
I don't have the answer to your problem but just a few thoughts - Could it be due to memory limitation for your PC?Try on another PC with more ram if available. If not, try doing the save as with a few more app's running (suck up even more memory) and see if the file gets smaller than before - then you'll know its the ram that limits it.More ram may the answer. - youv'e made sure your HD isn't full right? - check your virtual memory settings and try increasing it. - you could split up your board into two or more files. Good Luck Dave Lewis Jason Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/27/2002 03:47:38 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: [PEDA] File Size Limit? Hi, Due to some weirdness at our assembly house, they can't accept a normal pick and place file. They want a Protel ASCII PCB file, which they then import and create the necessary data for their machinery. This has been OK up 'till now, with an output file format of 35MByte. A recent variant of our product has increased this due to more poly planes. Now we get an error message File is too large on doing FILE/SaveAs with ASCII file format, when we look at the (partial) file that has been created, its 56MByte. Is this limit on ASCII PCB files something we can get round, or is it a hard limit? Thanks for any advice in advance Jason. * Tracking #: 5738420760154844A745991036FBBB786168A5E5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: DXP and Specctra
where did you find export to DSN ? i couldn't' find it neither was a question about this answered on the DXP list Dennis Saputelli Georg Beckmann wrote: Hi Gisbert, you can export a *.dsn file. But till now, I didn't try it, because about other problems. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2002 14:56 An: Protel EDA Forum Betreff: [PEDA] DXP and Specctra Hello, just a short question, as I did not have the time to evaluate the DXP trial so far: In the documentation/tutorials Altium placed on their website concerning DXP I did not find a single word about a Specctra interface. Does DXP have such an interface like 99SE or not, and did anyone test it? Mit freundlichem Gru Kind regards Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH www.nateurope.com * Tracking #: 9D4B1D0532A03D418FB343079AD700224F27D02D * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] AW: AW: DXP and Specctra
Tricky, with pcb file aktiv, select file save as, then select export specctra design file (*.dsn) Georg -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2002 17:52 An: Protel EDA Forum Betreff: Re: [PEDA] AW: DXP and Specctra where did you find export to DSN ? i couldn't' find it neither was a question about this answered on the DXP list Dennis Saputelli Georg Beckmann wrote: Hi Gisbert, you can export a *.dsn file. But till now, I didn't try it, because about other problems. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2002 14:56 An: Protel EDA Forum Betreff: [PEDA] DXP and Specctra Hello, just a short question, as I did not have the time to evaluate the DXP trial so far: In the documentation/tutorials Altium placed on their website concerning DXP I did not find a single word about a Specctra interface. Does DXP have such an interface like 99SE or not, and did anyone test it? Mit freundlichem Gru Kind regards Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH www.nateurope.com * Tracking #: 9D4B1D0532A03D418FB343079AD700224F27D02D * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Antwort2: 99SE Crashes when trying to close design
Hi Matt, another point I forgot to mention: If you have launched Protel without loading the DDB (by pressing the STRG key while Protel is loading), you can then try the repair function on the DDB that crashes your system (Down Arrow/Design Utilities/Repair). You can only repair DDBs which are not open. It does not help often, but it is worth a try. Mit freundlichem Gruß Kind regards Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH www.nateurope.com Matt Daggett An: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] mdaggett@mcnKopie: c.org Thema: [PEDA] 99SE Crashes when trying to close design 27.08.2002 17:09 Bitte antworten an Protel EDA Forum I've got a design open that I would like to close but each time I close it in Protel, it crashes. So I relaunch Protel and of course it auto-opens it since it was the last document... but then I cant close it because it will crash the program again. Anyone had a similar problem? Fixes? 99SE SP6 + Win2k on P4 2.0 Northwood, 1GB RDRAM, Ultra160 SCSI I/O, nVidia Quadro2 thanks, matt - Matt Daggett MCNC - Wireless Research Group 3021 Cornwallis Road Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 voice: 919-248-9278 fax: 919-248-1455 http://www.mcnc.org/wireless/ - * Tracking #: 9229EA426DBECD4A8604B3A380F355131E7BF9C0 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met with a healthy dose of skepticism. I did recommend for everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to Ahead's Nero CD writer software drivers for the best system stability. You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the latest Roxio drivers... I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: AW: DXP and Specctra
oh i see, thanks i was looking to export schematic to Orcad .DSN files, same file extension i guess Dennis Saputelli Georg Beckmann wrote: Tricky, with pcb file aktiv, select file save as, then select export specctra design file (*.dsn) Georg -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2002 17:52 An: Protel EDA Forum Betreff: Re: [PEDA] AW: DXP and Specctra where did you find export to DSN ? i couldn't' find it neither was a question about this answered on the DXP list Dennis Saputelli Georg Beckmann wrote: Hi Gisbert, you can export a *.dsn file. But till now, I didn't try it, because about other problems. Georg -Urspr ngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2002 14:56 An: Protel EDA Forum Betreff: [PEDA] DXP and Specctra Hello, just a short question, as I did not have the time to evaluate the DXP trial so far: In the documentation/tutorials Altium placed on their website concerning DXP I did not find a single word about a Specctra interface. Does DXP have such an interface like 99SE or not, and did anyone test it? Mit freundlichem Gru Kind regards Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH www.nateurope.com * Tracking #: 9D4B1D0532A03D418FB343079AD700224F27D02D * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
if you Google rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc configurations . Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
Ahead's Nero Burning ROM is absolutely the best. Hand's down. No question. I bought a new drive just to avoid my external USB Predator burner that doesn't run reliably with my old 350 MHz system, even at 1X burn rate. I had to disconnect from the internet, close all apps etc. So when I got the new 16X drive, it wasn't compatible with Roxio. So I got Nero. It worked perfectly. This wouldn't be a very interesting story except that the Ahead software also runs the old USB burner at full speed (only 4x) with the internet connected, mail delivery and any other apps running. They simply did a very good job of the buffering and background overhead management. This is why it works so well with the high forground overhead of Protel 99SE. regards, Tim Hutcheson Research Associate Institute for Human and Machine Cognition University of West Florida 40 S. Alcaniz St. Pensacola, FL 32501 USA 805-202-4461 -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:21 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met with a healthy dose of skepticism. I did recommend for everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to Ahead's Nero CD writer software drivers for the best system stability. You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the latest Roxio drivers... I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
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it works for me (new roxio) i have had far less coasters w/ roxio than nero and i find it much easier to use but i usually close all other apps while burning and don't do other tasks at the same time Dennis Saputelli mariusrf wrote: if you Google rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc configurations . Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 79CB9D5E956ED94B9A4A281EF20A5D3A14E050EF * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
NERO is reportedly the best but when you have problems, there is 'NO' support beyond their webpage FAQ sheets. I tried for 3 months to get some technical assistance from them, after two months of emails I got two emails in one day and then they never responded again after I replied with my comments to their questions. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Norsat's Microwave Products Division has now achieved ISO 9001:2000 certification -Original Message- From: Tim Hutcheson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:53 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD Ahead's Nero Burning ROM is absolutely the best. Hand's down. No question. I bought a new drive just to avoid my external USB Predator burner that doesn't run reliably with my old 350 MHz system, even at 1X burn rate. I had to disconnect from the internet, close all apps etc. So when I got the new 16X drive, it wasn't compatible with Roxio. So I got Nero. It worked perfectly. This wouldn't be a very interesting story except that the Ahead software also runs the old USB burner at full speed (only 4x) with the internet connected, mail delivery and any other apps running. They simply did a very good job of the buffering and background overhead management. This is why it works so well with the high forground overhead of Protel 99SE. regards, Tim Hutcheson Research Associate Institute for Human and Machine Cognition University of West Florida 40 S. Alcaniz St. Pensacola, FL 32501 USA 805-202-4461 * Tracking #: A98894E167E13841B6FAF222AC99E28863CE2502 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
while nero is a quality cdrw package... i am running steinberg instant cd/dvd and instant backup on my machines. 1 = win 98se 1 = win2K neither of which have problems i can attribute to the cdrw s'ware. direct cd has caused problems that you would not believe on every system that i've seen it on. (.ddl issues, .vxd errors(?), ect) i always try to give both pc's ALL resources while writing a cd... ended up with too many coasters because of the buffer. for what it's worth. ~joel - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met with a healthy dose of skepticism. I did recommend for everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to Ahead's Nero CD writer software drivers for the best system stability. You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the latest Roxio drivers... I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
It may be fast, but it is useable or noticeable in a workstation?? Probably not. I've been watching my harddisk like, and it rarely blinks. That tell me my system doesn't spend much time chugging on the disk and therefore why would I pay 3 times as much for SCSI as I would with ATA100? I just bought an 80GB IBM deskstar drive for $90 to my door. I looked at the media transfer rate and the sustained rate of a IBM Ultrastar Ultra160SCSI drive (at 10k RPM) and Deskstar 120 ATA100 drive (at 7200 RPM) and the rate between the two isn't enough for me to justify triple the cost. (And the fact you need a controller card that is roughly another $100. Ultra160SCSIATA100 Media rate: 373 to 690 Mbits/s 592(max) Mbits/s Sustained rate: 29 to 57 MB/s 23 to 48MB/s -Original Message- From: Matt Daggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:47 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD You should invest in SCSI I/O if you have a lot of throughput problems to cause buffer underruns. I can defrag a partition while burning from the other without underrun issues and without burnproof. Most of the problems arise with all IDE based systems that use 100% CPU to burn CDs and MUST use burnproof or else you get a coaster. With a SCSI based system you'd see about a 1-2% CPU hit while burning. I have a 200Mhz Pentium Pro machine that I used to use to duplicate CDs that can copy a CD to five burners at 8X at once w/o any underrun issues. IDE couldn't even dream of that... I cant really stress enough how important I/O is to system performance independent of CPU and memory size. A single Ultra160 15K disk will outperform two ATA100 disks in a RIAD 0 stripe. Also when putting a SCSI disk under full throughput stress it doesn't use 100% of the CPU like all IDE based systems. Not to mention the reliability and increased cache sizes you get with most server-class SCSI disk. SCSI disks have no where near the high failure rates of IDE disks because you are buying a enterprise solution. Prices have really come down as well.. you can get a 73GB 10k RPM Ultra160 disk for about $320 now...that's really cheap! Anyhow, back to Protel... -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD it works for me (new roxio) i have had far less coasters w/ roxio than nero and i find it much easier to use but i usually close all other apps while burning and don't do other tasks at the same time Dennis Saputelli mariusrf wrote: if you Google rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc configurations . Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix ** ** * Tracking #: 79CB9D5E956ED94B9A4A281EF20A5D3A14E050EF * ** ** -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SCSI v IDE IBM Deathstars (was Protel vs. DirectCD)
without disputing any of your assertions which may be entirely correct, my personal experience has been different every scsi drive i ever had died on me (4 or 5 of them, different eras and makers) i have never had an IDE die (knock on wood) also there is another layer to scsi which has given me trouble, the controller/driver layer which are more complex than IDE on various systems at various times with various controllers sometimes it was a hope and a prayer that it would boot on first try at one point i got a scsi scanner (HP) it wouldn't run on my scsi system (built by MICRON for $5K) it insisted on ONLY running on the crappy scsi controller they packaged with it after plugging that in i got it running, but there were still issues ... scsi did allow me to pile a bunch of drives in one box achieving more storage than i otherwise could have gotten, but that is all moot now for many (most?) of us Dennis Saputelli Matt Daggett wrote: Its very noticeable... especially if you have any kind of disk caching. Also anytime you do anything I/O intensive you are taking a CPU hit which slows performance. SCSI is intended for servers and high end workstations where as IDE is more suited for the home PC user who is using AOL and Word. IDE hits a great price for large cheap storage but its hardly a reliability or performance solution. Also, I hope you have good luck with your new DEATHstar. To prove a point about the unreliability of IDE drives you should look into the ongoing major class action law suit against IBM over its Deskstar line of drives. Disks failing at abnormally high rates and IBM turning the blind eye. Most users have reported having a disk fail and then that replacement fail and the replacement for that failing. Something like that would be unheard of in the SCSI realm due to just plain higher quality drives. Another thing you should be aware of is that if you look in the IBM documentation the deskstar is described as having recommended power-on hours of 333 per month--about 11 hours a day. Drive reliability is typically measured with the assumption that the drive is on 60 percent of the time--somewhat higher than 46 percent of the time that 333 hours a month would mean. On laptops, the standard duty is 40 percent, and on servers, which usually use SCSI drives, it is 100 percent. So even in the manufacturer's documentation they don't consider the drive to be used for constant duty cycle. That's plain unacceptable for a work/development environment. So to answer your question...why would I pay 3 times as much for SCSI as I would with ATA100... higher throughput performance, half the access time, 4-8X larger caches with prefetch algorithms, and 4-5X the MTBF. How much is your data and productivity worth to you? Is it worth saving that extra $1-300 bucks? matt PS: Below is a link to a benchmark of a $200 Fujitsu disk in my system as compared to all flavors of IDE. The results speak for themselves. http://www.mecards.com/SCSI_v_IDE_Benchmark.jpg -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 2:20 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD It may be fast, but it is useable or noticeable in a workstation?? Probably not. I've been watching my harddisk like, and it rarely blinks. That tell me my system doesn't spend much time chugging on the disk and therefore why would I pay 3 times as much for SCSI as I would with ATA100? I just bought an 80GB IBM deskstar drive for $90 to my door. I looked at the media transfer rate and the sustained rate of a IBM Ultrastar Ultra160SCSI drive (at 10k RPM) and Deskstar 120 ATA100 drive (at 7200 RPM) and the rate between the two isn't enough for me to justify triple the cost. (And the fact you need a controller card that is roughly another $100. Ultra160SCSIATA100 Media rate: 373 to 690 Mbits/s 592(max) Mbits/s Sustained rate: 29 to 57 MB/s 23 to 48MB/s -Original Message- From: Matt Daggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:47 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD You should invest in SCSI I/O if you have a lot of throughput problems to cause buffer underruns. I can defrag a partition while burning from the other without underrun issues and without burnproof. Most of the problems arise with all IDE based systems that use 100% CPU to burn CDs and MUST use burnproof or else you get a coaster. With a SCSI based system you'd see about a 1-2% CPU hit while burning. I have a 200Mhz Pentium Pro machine that I used to use to duplicate CDs that can copy a CD to five burners at 8X at once w/o any underrun issues. IDE couldn't even dream of that... I cant really stress enough how important I/O is to system performance independent of CPU and
Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum
This forum has really gone downhill I think its time to bail this forum and see what is happening in the DXP forum. Can anyone post the link for the DXP forum Frankly Im tired of hearing , My protel doesnt work with SCSI, or cd rom , or doesnt run nwhen I listen to nSync in the backround on my Linux system Probahly my last posting on here because there are no new issues here Mike Reagan EDSI * Tracking #: B613DACD1BAE614C8AAB58EC8200A129BD127FBC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit?
Jason, another option could be not to cross hatch the polygons but to do only vertical or horizontal pouring. Igor -Original Message- From: Jason Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 10:22 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit? Nope, one option (to reduce the file size) is as you imply to remove unnecessary data, its just a faff. (P.S. its 99se sp6) -Original Message- From: Emanuel Zimmermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 August 2002 12:42 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] File Size Limit? Hi Jason, No idea about the size limit, but does your assembly house require the poly planes included? Emanuel Jason Morgan wrote: Hi, Due to some weirdness at our assembly house, they can't accept a normal pick and place file. They want a Protel ASCII PCB file, which they then import and create the necessary data for their machinery. This has been OK up 'till now, with an output file format of 35MByte. A recent variant of our product has increased this due to more poly planes. Now we get an error message File is too large on doing FILE/SaveAs with ASCII file format, when we look at the (partial) file that has been created, its 56MByte. Is this limit on ASCII PCB files something we can get round, or is it a hard limit? Thanks for any advice in advance Jason. * Tracking #: 5738420760154844A745991036FBBB786168A5E5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antwort: 99SE Crashes when trying to close design
Yeah I've had this one too. Didn't know about the control key though! I renamed the file. The file is still corrupt though, and not sure how to fix it. Tried repair, didn't work. I haven't worried about it too much, as its only happened in this one test file that I do a lot of playing around in. Hasn't happened in any of my actual designs. Cheers, Gareth de Mar. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2002 1:54 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Antwort: 99SE Crashes when trying to close design Hi Matt, press the Control Key STRG when launching Protel. That should prevent it from loading the last document or DDB. Mit freundlichem Gruß Kind regards Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH www.nateurope.com Matt Daggett An: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] mdaggett@mcnKopie: c.org Thema: [PEDA] 99SE Crashes when trying to close design 27.08.2002 17:09 Bitte antworten an Protel EDA Forum I've got a design open that I would like to close but each time I close it in Protel, it crashes. So I relaunch Protel and of course it auto-opens it since it was the last document... but then I cant close it because it will crash the program again. Anyone had a similar problem? Fixes? 99SE SP6 + Win2k on P4 2.0 Northwood, 1GB RDRAM, Ultra160 SCSI I/O, nVidia Quadro2 thanks, matt - Matt Daggett MCNC - Wireless Research Group 3021 Cornwallis Road Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 voice: 919-248-9278 fax: 919-248-1455 http://www.mcnc.org/wireless/ - * Tracking #: 9229EA426DBECD4A8604B3A380F355131E7BF9C0 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Got a couple of P99SE bugs to add to our Yahoo bug list?
Hi all, I checked the Yahoo bug list, but scanning it I couldn't find these particular bugs listed. PCB P99SE SP6 Library Part Placement Manually placing land pattern in PCB. After clicking Place in the library browse window, move the component across your design. While moving the part press spacebar to rotate the part (works real well with 5 degree rotation increments). If you are moving the part while rotating, the part will become dislodged from your cursor making placement a completely guesswork process. Depending on how fast you move the part while rotating the cursor attachment of the part can become quite widely separated. PCB P99SE SP6 PCB Printer. In printing a PCB there is a case where pads will not print correctly even if their layer (both multilayer and top layer) is called for printing. Using multilayer pads and the padstack set with only a topside pad, no midlayer pad and no bottom pad means that this pad will never show in a print. There is only a blank hole where the pad should print. The mechanism that seems the manifest this error is setting the midlayer pad to 0 size. Setting the midlayer pad to any size other than 0 will cause the pads to print. Setting the bottom pad size to any value has no effect on this bug. The pad that is printed for the multilayer or topside pad matches the sizing of the midlayer pad in the padstack. It does not match the top layer pad sizing. This occurs even when there are no midlayers included in the print. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Norsat's Microwave Products Division has now achieved ISO 9001:2000 certification * Tracking #: FBE4F9263514434DA5F62418D1D3961F8B22A24A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum
Michael Send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ian Capps - Original Message - From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum This forum has really gone downhill I think its time to bail this forum and see what is happening in the DXP forum. Can anyone post the link for the DXP forum Frankly Im tired of hearing , My protel doesnt work with SCSI, or cd rom , or doesnt run nwhen I listen to nSync in the backround on my Linux system Probahly my last posting on here because there are no new issues here Mike Reagan EDSI * Tracking #: B613DACD1BAE614C8AAB58EC8200A129BD127FBC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum
the DXP forum is only for DXP tech issues they don't seem to want to even mention 99 Dennis Saputelli * Tracking #: CCA28224CEE39A449013B2227DE340023D96B602 * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum
Nah, we're just all so smart with 99SE that we now don't have much to say about it. (other than the I forgot if it does this...can someone tell me? or the newbie questions which have been answered pretty darn fast. You take it easy Mike. Maybe we'll see ya on the DXP forum someday. -Original Message- From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:51 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum This forum has really gone downhill I think its time to bail this forum and see what is happening in the DXP forum. Can anyone post the link for the DXP forum Frankly Im tired of hearing , My protel doesnt work with SCSI, or cd rom , or doesnt run nwhen I listen to nSync in the backround on my Linux system Probahly my last posting on here because there are no new issues here Mike Reagan EDSI ** ** * Tracking #: B613DACD1BAE614C8AAB58EC8200A129BD127FBC * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] (No Subject)
Hi, Running a Protel schematic through the rules checker before going anywhere near the PCB layout (or SPICE for that matter) is a very good idea. Protel may do this automatically when you create a netlist, but check all the option settings to make sure it does what you want. Rule checking can often turn up unconnected pins, net-to-net shorts, nets that don't go anywhere, outputs connected to other outputs, etc, etc. You may have to do a little more work setting up the schematic symbols (especially when using programmable devices like the Xilinx FPGA - you'll need to create or modify your own FPGA schematic symbol showing which pins are inputs, outputs, tri-state busses, power pins, etc..). SPICE and/or logic simulations I would reserve only for key areas of circuit that require them - simulating an entire board can be extremely time consuming. Hopefully most simulation was done in the design phase before the final schematic is generated. good luck, Mark Harrison Bionic Ear Institute Melbourne, Australia -Original Message- From: Anand Kulkarni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:22 AM To: PROTEL USER Group Subject: [PEDA] (No Subject) Hi all, I am currently designing a printed circuit board in which the main part is a XILINX FPGA. What I want to know is: (please read on) Upon completion of the schematics of the board design do PCB designers do anything to verify the correctness of the board schematics like simulation ? Especially where something complex like a XILINX FPGA is involved. ---OR do PCB designers simply trust the correctness of the schematic and proceed with PCB placement and routing ? In short ,is any board-level simulation (involving SPICE models or something similar) done before fabrication of the board ? please do reply, thanks and regards, Anand Kulkarni * Tracking #: 4D13509BC982C543A0B89D9C713C4ADD48FB286E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
