Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
Hi Tony, Mozilla 1.5 still takes me to the protel website by just typing protel, although it only displays protel in the location bar. (In IE you need to press Alt+Enter) Best regards, James Harriman Altium Limited - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla You know, they all suck for one reason or another. I've had crappy experience with almost all mail clients. I recently ( a few months ago ) tried several clients and decided MS Outlook was the best one. I tried Pocomail, Eudora, Pegasus, and Mozilla mail. They all had some problem. The unfortunate thing was that I liked Pocomail the best except for the fact it lost emails!! Going to their user group showed me several other people noticed the same thing! Also, a friend of mine was a Pocomail user, and he often could not view attachments! Back to Mozilla browsers, it has a neat feature that will automatically fill in the www. and the .com when you type in the center part of a URL such as 'protel'. It would automatically fill in www.protel.com and take you there. For some unknown reason, that stopped working!! WTF? Yes, I have the box checked for Domain Guessing in the smart browsing preferences setup... MS internet tools may be the primary targets of hackers, but all software I've used stinks and could be targets if people get mad enough. Tony -Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Tony, I'm running Firebird 0.7 and it does the same thing. I occasionally run into this when sites write and only test their sites for IE. I have the Sun Java runtime installed and working correctly, Firebird works great with 99% of all Java enabled sites I visit. I'd drop an email to Altium and ask them to check out their site with something other than IE. I do keep IE around for the rare instance like this, when I really need the information. But as a rule, if a site won't work with Mozilla/Firebird/Opera it will be the last time I visit it. Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes to shoot at. I'm not going to help them any more than I have to. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:07 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
Ctrl+Enter is the key combination in IE to surround what you've typed in the address bar with http://www.; and .com. This key combination also works in Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1. Alt+Enter shows the properties dialog for the currently selected Windows object. Paul -Original Message- From: FindShapes Forums [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:21 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Hi Tony, Mozilla 1.5 still takes me to the protel website by just typing protel, although it only displays protel in the location bar. (In IE you need to press Alt+Enter) Best regards, James Harriman Altium Limited * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
(In IE you need to press Alt+Enter) correction: (In IE you need to press Ctrl+Enter) Best regards, James Harriman Altium Limited Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:21:02 +1100 Hi Tony, Mozilla 1.5 still takes me to the protel website by just typing protel, although it only displays protel in the location bar. (In IE you need to press Alt+Enter) Best regards, James Harriman Altium Limited - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla You know, they all suck for one reason or another. I've had crappy experience with almost all mail clients. I recently ( a few months ago ) tried several clients and decided MS Outlook was the best one. I tried Pocomail, Eudora, Pegasus, and Mozilla mail. They all had some problem. The unfortunate thing was that I liked Pocomail the best except for the fact it lost emails!! Going to their user group showed me several other people noticed the same thing! Also, a friend of mine was a Pocomail user, and he often could not view attachments! Back to Mozilla browsers, it has a neat feature that will automatically fill in the www. and the .com when you type in the center part of a URL such as 'protel'. It would automatically fill in www.protel.com and take you there. For some unknown reason, that stopped working!! WTF? Yes, I have the box checked for Domain Guessing in the smart browsing preferences setup... MS internet tools may be the primary targets of hackers, but all software I've used stinks and could be targets if people get mad enough. Tony -Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Tony, I'm running Firebird 0.7 and it does the same thing. I occasionally run into this when sites write and only test their sites for IE. I have the Sun Java runtime installed and working correctly, Firebird works great with 99% of all Java enabled sites I visit. I'd drop an email to Altium and ask them to check out their site with something other than IE. I do keep IE around for the rare instance like this, when I really need the information. But as a rule, if a site won't work with Mozilla/Firebird/Opera it will be the last time I visit it. Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes to shoot at. I'm not going to help them any more than I have to. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:07 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:44:09 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Of course, the problem for commercial software (such as Protel) is that if it evolves to point of being bug-free, there is very little incentive to upgrade, and the business model dries up. That's when you put your software engineers to work writing converters for all your competitor's databases and going after market share! ;-) You can be a *real* marketing force when armed with stable, bug-free software, discount pricing specials for users of competitors tools and the converters to make the switch as painless as possible. Protel actually converted me from Orcad/Tango because they could import my existing schematic and PCB designs, plus I was a disgruntled Orcad user and they offered me a relatively painless and inexpensive way to switch. So what do I use for backup software? A removable hard drive mapped as a network drive, and the XCOPY command. Advantages: it's way faster, cheaper, and more reliable than tape, it's free, and files are stored in non-encrypted, non-compacted FAT32 form that can be easily read by Win9X or later and Linux. Disadvantages: manual intervention required to match partitions on network drives to partitions on the removable hard drive, not good for incremental backups, only complete backups. Wow, this is one area I've searched the world for also. I use Novastor's Novaback software with a removable hard drive now for my workgroup network. It works reasonably well with scheduled backups (full and incremental) for my small (6) workstation network. I also have recently tried Dantz Retrospect backup software. It's extremely capable and reasonably inexpensive (about $85), but it's not nearly as easy to configure and use as Novaback. Typical enterprise software scaled down to the workgroup/desktop level. Unfortunately, I think you need to be some sort of IT wonk to setup and use it. Yes, the world needs a good, reliable and inexpensive backup software package. I honestly think this is why so many people never backup -- if it's not an automated process, reliable and easy to setup no one will bother. Haven't tried Eudora since 1998. Kinda hard to get excited about an e-mail client that I have to pay for, when there exist free ones. If I could be assured that Eudora would do what I want and be non-buggy, I might spring $29 for it. Otherwise, no. FWIW, I have been using Pocomail for over 3 years now and have never had it eat an email on me. I do know others have reported it, but I've not personally seen it on any of my systems or any of my friends that also use it. I would say I get a heavy amount of email, probably 300/day or so on average so I'm working with pretty large mailboxes most of the time. I used Pegasus mail before that and gave up when the author said he was done supporting it. Of course about a year after I switched to Pocomail, he decided to update it and continue development. Go figure. I don't think there is a single email client that can satisfy everyone, seems everyone has different expectations. Anyway, Happy New Year to you too Ivan and everyone else on the list. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
Maybe Altium is still using illegal Java (Microsoft's JVM) in their web pages? Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes to shoot at. I'm not going to help them any more than I have to. I don't call you hard-headed, I call you sensible. I don't use IE anymore either, because Mozilla (or Firebird) is so good (blocking pop-ups, advanced cookie control, Java permission controls, etc.). Now if we could just get webpage authors to quit using stupid stuff on the webpages (ActiveX controls, flash, shockwave, cookies where unnecessary, etc.). Still using Outlook Express, because I haven't found a better e-mail client yet (no, Mozilla/Netscape e-mail doesn't cut it). Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Matt Pobursky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Tony, I'm running Firebird 0.7 and it does the same thing. I occasionally run into this when sites write and only test their sites for IE. I have the Sun Java runtime installed and working correctly, Firebird works great with 99% of all Java enabled sites I visit. I'd drop an email to Altium and ask them to check out their site with something other than IE. I do keep IE around for the rare instance like this, when I really need the information. But as a rule, if a site won't work with Mozilla/Firebird/Opera it will be the last time I visit it. Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes to shoot at. I'm not going to help them any more than I have to. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:07 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
At 29/12/2003 16:57, Ivan wrote: snippety-snip (call me anything you like, I don't use M$ IE or Outlook either) Still using Outlook Express, because I haven't found a better e-mail client yet (no, Mozilla/Netscape e-mail doesn't cut it). Take a look at Eudora. I've been using it since the dark ages and am _very_ happy with it. Especially v6 with the self learning spam filter. Regards, Leo Potjewijd hardware designer IE Keyprocessor bv. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +31 20 4620700 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
You know, they all suck for one reason or another. I've had crappy experience with almost all mail clients. I recently ( a few months ago ) tried several clients and decided MS Outlook was the best one. I tried Pocomail, Eudora, Pegasus, and Mozilla mail. They all had some problem. The unfortunate thing was that I liked Pocomail the best except for the fact it lost emails!! Going to their user group showed me several other people noticed the same thing! Also, a friend of mine was a Pocomail user, and he often could not view attachments! Back to Mozilla browsers, it has a neat feature that will automatically fill in the www. and the .com when you type in the center part of a URL such as 'protel'. It would automatically fill in www.protel.com and take you there. For some unknown reason, that stopped working!! WTF? Yes, I have the box checked for Domain Guessing in the smart browsing preferences setup... MS internet tools may be the primary targets of hackers, but all software I've used stinks and could be targets if people get mad enough. Tony -Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Tony, I'm running Firebird 0.7 and it does the same thing. I occasionally run into this when sites write and only test their sites for IE. I have the Sun Java runtime installed and working correctly, Firebird works great with 99% of all Java enabled sites I visit. I'd drop an email to Altium and ask them to check out their site with something other than IE. I do keep IE around for the rare instance like this, when I really need the information. But as a rule, if a site won't work with Mozilla/Firebird/Opera it will be the last time I visit it. Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes to shoot at. I'm not going to help them any more than I have to. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:07 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
Hi Tony, Just tested it and it worked for me here. I'm running Mozilla 1.5. It does ask to set a cookie, perhaps those are turned off? I used this link to test it: http://www.protel.com/resources/kb/kb_item.asp?ID=3496 ---Phil TK Does anyone know why the Knowledge Base doesn't open the items when using TK Mozilla? It works fine in IE for me. I have the internal Mozilla popup TK stopper active, but I can press a control key to let them through. It TK doesn't work on the KB site. TK Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 Tony -Original Message- From: Phillip Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Hi Tony, Just tested it and it worked for me here. I'm running Mozilla 1.5. It does ask to set a cookie, perhaps those are turned off? I used this link to test it: http://www.protel.com/resources/kb/kb_item.asp?ID=3496 ---Phil TK Does anyone know why the Knowledge Base doesn't open the items when TK using Mozilla? It works fine in IE for me. I have the internal TK Mozilla popup stopper active, but I can press a control key to let TK them through. It doesn't work on the KB site. TK Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
Tony, I'm running Firebird 0.7 and it does the same thing. I occasionally run into this when sites write and only test their sites for IE. I have the Sun Java runtime installed and working correctly, Firebird works great with 99% of all Java enabled sites I visit. I'd drop an email to Altium and ask them to check out their site with something other than IE. I do keep IE around for the rare instance like this, when I really need the information. But as a rule, if a site won't work with Mozilla/Firebird/Opera it will be the last time I visit it. Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes to shoot at. I'm not going to help them any more than I have to. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:07 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
Hi Tony, Thank you for reporting this JavaScript related bug, I will investigate a fix for this when I return to work after Christmas. To work around this you can type in the KB Item number into the Go to item box above the text search fields and click the Go button. I tested this work around in Mozilla 1.5 Windows (with the default setting of Enable JavaScript in Navigator checked). P.S. The same behaviour occurs when you disable Active Scripting in Internet Explorer (which disables JavaScript). However this problem still exists in Mozilla when JavaScript is enabled. Best regards, James Harriman Manager, Web Strategies ALTIUM LIMITED Making Electronics Design Easier TM http://www.altium.com Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:07 -0800 If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 Tony -Original Message- From: Phillip Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla Hi Tony, Just tested it and it worked for me here. I'm running Mozilla 1.5. It does ask to set a cookie, perhaps those are turned off? I used this link to test it: http://www.protel.com/resources/kb/kb_item.asp?ID=3496 ---Phil TK Does anyone know why the Knowledge Base doesn't open the items when TK using Mozilla? It works fine in IE for me. I have the internal TK Mozilla popup stopper active, but I can press a control key to let TK them through. It doesn't work on the KB site. TK Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
