Re: [PEDA] virtual shorts, the saga goes on

2002-05-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i should have said 1 mil or greater INTEGER grid instead of '1 mil or greater grid' Dennis Saputelli Dennis Saputelli wrote: > > earlier i had reported the following > (the saga continues): > > history > i used virtual shorts without problems for > 1 year > hundreds and hundreds of bds (tur

Re: [PEDA] virtual shorts, the saga goes on

2002-05-21 Thread Dennis Saputelli
earlier i had reported the following (the saga continues): history i used virtual shorts without problems for > 1 year hundreds and hundreds of bds (turns out i was lucky) one day a bd shop calls and offers to increase some tiny gaps ("no, thanks!") later another shop 'fixes' them without call

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:27 AM 9/25/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hey, Abdul, your message had the full text of the original thread in it. I >thought you were the one who advocated not doing that! ;-) Certainly I have. Do as I say, not as I do :-) Seriously, I did not quote the "full text," the boilerplate at the en

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Dave Eloranta
EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:24 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject:Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts At 11:47 24.09.01 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:21 AM 9/24/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: >> The issue with the virtual short is that it must be cut to test &

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
did work (most of the time). As long as we didn't reverse bias the chips... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Greg Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> S

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
n Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Greg Olson
I tried "virtual" shorts once but they were too drafty ; ) (sorry, I couldn't resist!) - Original Message - From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:19

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:23 AM 9/25/01 +0200, Edi Im Hof wrote: >At 11:47 24.09.01 -0700, you wrote: >>At 08:21 AM 9/24/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: >>> The issue with the virtual short is that it must be cut to test >>> the two nets. > >Has somebody tried to make the virtual short not virtual but real

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-25 Thread Edi Im Hof
At 11:47 24.09.01 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:21 AM 9/24/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: >> The issue with the virtual short is that it must be cut to test >> the two nets. Has somebody tried to make the virtual short not virtual but real? I mean, put it on the _solder_ side with a small

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-24 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:21 AM 9/24/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: > The issue with the virtual short is that it must be cut to test > the two nets. Right. And if you know you are going to cut it, and especially if you are going to cut it before assembly, it is desireable to fabricate it "cut," i.e.,

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-24 Thread Mark E Witherite

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-21 Thread Dwight Harm
I was wondering, Mark, was the issue that you wanted to test the nets before assembly? Or was it just in case of problems after assembly? For the second case, you might use a virtual short on the top or bottom layers, which could be cut if need be. -Original Message- From: Mark E Wither

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:34 PM 9/21/01 -0500, Mark E Witherite wrote: >I was going to let the group how I made out with the virtual short I was >planing on using on my internal planes. After a short discussion We >decided not to do it. Our main concern was there was no way to test the >PCB to be sure that the n

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-21 Thread Mark E Witherite

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:40 PM 9/3/01 +1000, Don Ingram wrote: >Just got PCB Fab Magazine & noticed that they are running 10 micron wide >traces. > >Better make the virtual shorts way less than the customary 1mil The "customary" gap for virtual shorts based on unfabricatable gaps is on the order of 4 micro-inches,

Re: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-03 Thread Chris Mackensen
I'm *wearing* my virtual shorts right now good thing this is radio and not television -chris -Original Message- From: Don Ingram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 3:41 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Virtual Shorts Just got PCB Fab Mag

[PEDA] Virtual Shorts

2001-09-03 Thread Don Ingram
Just got PCB Fab Magazine & noticed that they are running 10 micron wide traces. Better make the virtual shorts way less than the customary 1mil heh heh heh Cheers Don Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph +61 7 4954 6074UTC+10hrs Fx +61 7 4954 6222 - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman