Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Brad Velander

Thanks Tony,
I am not sure that you are right though. It has persisted across two
operating systems/installs on my machine, numerous databases and several
other peoples machines at our facility. That is a little more then a chance
installation screw-up or corrupted install.
If you could please try, in this order, enter a free pad, unplated
with no pad diameter, 100 mil hole, Net GND. Then pour a GND polygon over it
with pour over same net and remove dead copper. It should flood right over
the pad/hole. Now change the Pad netname to No Net and repour. This should
be exactly how I have generated this issue repeatedly. Note I think it may
have something to do with the unplated hole or 0 size pads. In this case
the pad is a tooling hole which I want cleared from the polygon, on the
current board this was connected to GND and completely flooded over last
build.
The other manner in which this could have come about is having the
polygon pour first and then placing the free pad into the polygon pour. This
would have given it the GND net. Today I changed the net on the pad to No
Net
and the pour does not clear from the hole.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



-Original Message-
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:03 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
the net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


It's your system. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it works fine here
and has worked fine for a long time. I just tried it. If I place a free pad
on a poly, it acquires the netname of the poly. If I then change the name to
No Net, a pile of DRC green shows up and if I repour the poly, it is now
disconnected. Maybe something is crazy with your installation. (which is
another topic)



 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:24 AM
 To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail)
 Subject: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after the
 net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


 P99Se Sp6 on W2K

 Has anybody else noticed the bug that connects a pad to a polygon
 after that
 pad has been changed to a different net? Any solutions, besides
 deleting the
 pad and inserting a new one?
   In our microwave boards we do a lot of polygons with stitched vias
 and some pads. Time and time again I will change a free pad to a
 new netname
 so that it should not connect to the polygon pour. If the pad was
 previously
 the same net as the polygon and the polygon had been poured over
 the pad at
 least once, changing to the new netname does not isolate the pad from
 further polygon pours. On future polygon pours of the old polygon, it
 continues to pour over the pad which is now connected to a
 different net. It
 also does not highlight the DRC violation.

 Sincerely,
 Brad Velander.

 Lead PCB Designer
 Norsat International Inc.
 Microwave Products
 Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
 Fax  (604) 292-9010
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.norsat.com

 See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Dwight

The (design rule) clearance is from the PAD, not the hole -- so a 0-size pad
won't leave the clearance you want.  The pad needs to match (or nearly) the
hole size.

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:41 AM
snip
   If you could please try, in this order, enter a free pad, unplated
 with no pad diameter, 100 mil hole, Net GND. Then pour a GND polygon over
it
 with pour over same net and remove dead copper. It should flood right over
 the pad/hole. Now change the Pad netname to No Net and repour. This should
 be exactly how I have generated this issue repeatedly. Note I think it may
 have something to do with the unplated hole or 0 size pads. In this case
 the pad is a tooling hole which I want cleared from the polygon, on the
 current board this was connected to GND and completely flooded over last
 build.
   The other manner in which this could have come about is having the
 polygon pour first and then placing the free pad into the polygon pour.
This
 would have given it the GND net. Today I changed the net on
 the pad to No Net and the pour does not clear from the hole.

 Sincerely,
 Brad Velander.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Tony Karavidas

That works for me too. I did EXACTLY what you said, and as soon as I changed
the net to no net, I got DRC on the connection tracks. A repour
disconnected the pad.

Dunno...



 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:41 AM
 To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
 t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


 Thanks Tony,
   I am not sure that you are right though. It has persisted across two
 operating systems/installs on my machine, numerous databases and several
 other peoples machines at our facility. That is a little more
 then a chance
 installation screw-up or corrupted install.
   If you could please try, in this order, enter a free pad, unplated
 with no pad diameter, 100 mil hole, Net GND. Then pour a GND
 polygon over it
 with pour over same net and remove dead copper. It should flood right over
 the pad/hole. Now change the Pad netname to No Net and repour. This should
 be exactly how I have generated this issue repeatedly. Note I think it may
 have something to do with the unplated hole or 0 size pads. In this case
 the pad is a tooling hole which I want cleared from the polygon, on the
 current board this was connected to GND and completely flooded over last
 build.
   The other manner in which this could have come about is having the
 polygon pour first and then placing the free pad into the polygon
 pour. This
 would have given it the GND net. Today I changed the net on the pad to No
 Net
 and the pour does not clear from the hole.

 Sincerely,
 Brad Velander.

 Lead PCB Designer
 Norsat International Inc.
 Microwave Products
 Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
 Fax  (604) 292-9010
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.norsat.com

 See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.




* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Brad Velander

Thanks Dwight, that does make some sense. Seems I couldn't see the forest
for the trees this morning.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



-Original Message-
From: Dwight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:01 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


The (design rule) clearance is from the PAD, not the hole -- so a 0-size pad
won't leave the clearance you want.  The pad needs to match (or nearly) the
hole size.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Brad Velander

Wayne,
that is one variation of a similar problem that I can confirm as
well. I haven't had it in the couple of weeks but will probably experience
it soon again. Yes, I have verified this problem repeatedly but couldn't
find the solution (short of deletion and starting over) or the particulars
which might isolate it.

As a matter of fact I believe that that problem was
coercing/blinding me a little to the issue of pad/hole for DRC spacing which
I ran into this morning. Clouded my thoughts while remembering your little
problem from weeks past.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



-Original Message-
From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:39 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
the net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.



Brad,

Ive had this problem with keepout tracks.

I place the track to control where the polygon will pour therefore the
polygon is there when I place the track hence the track picks up the net
name.
I edit the porperties of the track and  change from GND (usually) to No_Net
and check keepout. The online drc then shows the error as it should.

BUT

If I repour the polygon it ignores the different net keepout and acts as
if the keepout isn't even there.

Similar but different problem.

Thanks

Wayne Trow
PCB Design Technician
Gallagher Group LTD
Hamilton
NEW ZEALAND
[p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737
[f] +64 7 838 9801
[e] [EMAIL PROTECTED]


|-+
| |   Brad Velander  |
| |   BVelander@norsat|
| |   .com|
| ||
| |   13/02/2002 06:23 |
| |   Please respond to|
| |   Protel EDA  |
| |   Forum   |
| ||
|-+
 
---
---|
  |
|
  |   To:   Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
  |   cc:
|
  |   Subject:  [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads
after the net has been changed to  |
  |something other then the polygon net name.
|
 
---
---|




P99Se Sp6 on W2K

Has anybody else noticed the bug that connects a pad to a polygon after
that
pad has been changed to a different net? Any solutions, besides deleting
the
pad and inserting a new one?
 In our microwave boards we do a lot of polygons with stitched
vias
and some pads. Time and time again I will change a free pad to a new
netname
so that it should not connect to the polygon pour. If the pad was
previously
the same net as the polygon and the polygon had been poured over the pad at
least once, changing to the new netname does not isolate the pad from
further polygon pours. On future polygon pours of the old polygon, it
continues to pour over the pad which is now connected to a different net.
It
also does not highlight the DRC violation.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.





* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Duane Foster

Just had this happen to me (see below).  I moved the keepout tracks away
from the polygon, repoured the polygon, moved the keepout tracks back into
position, repoured again, this time keepouts are recognized?!

Duane Foster

 -Original Message-
 From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:39 AM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to 
 pads after
 the net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.
 
 
 Brad,
 
 Ive had this problem with keepout tracks.
 
 I place the track to control where the polygon will pour therefore the
 polygon is there when I place the track hence the track picks 
 up the net
 name.
 I edit the porperties of the track and  change from GND 
 (usually) to No_Net
 and check keepout. The online drc then shows the error as it should.
 
 BUT
 
 If I repour the polygon it ignores the different net 
 keepout and acts as
 if the keepout isn't even there.
 
 Similar but different problem.
 
 Thanks
 
 Wayne Trow
 PCB Design Technician

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Brad Velander

I am sure that Dwight got the right answer for me. The issue is the 0mil
pads size. My mind was clouded by the other recent issue as Wayne mentioned
with the layer specific keepouts. It was clouding my thoughts about this
particular problem I saw this morning.
I assume that you used a pad of some 0mil size when you did your
test.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



-Original Message-
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:56 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


That works for me too. I did EXACTLY what you said, and as soon as I changed
the net to no net, I got DRC on the connection tracks. A repour
disconnected the pad.

Dunno...

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Mike Pilawa


Agreed...
What you want is a 100mil pad with a 100mil hole, and the plated option
unchecked.  In fact, you shouldn't even need to specify any net if this is just
a hole in the board.

-- 
Mike Pilawa - Critical Link, LLC 

E-Mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voice:   315.425.4045 x206  
Fax: 315.425.4048
Address: 251 Salina Meadows Pkwy.
 Syracuse, NY  13212
WEB: http://www.criticallink.com

Dwight wrote:
 
 The (design rule) clearance is from the PAD, not the hole -- so a 0-size pad
 won't leave the clearance you want.  The pad needs to match (or nearly) the
 hole size.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:41 AM
 snip
If you could please try, in this order, enter a free pad, unplated
  with no pad diameter, 100 mil hole, Net GND. Then pour a GND polygon over
 it
  with pour over same net and remove dead copper. It should flood right over
  the pad/hole. Now change the Pad netname to No Net and repour. This should
  be exactly how I have generated this issue repeatedly. Note I think it may
  have something to do with the unplated hole or 0 size pads. In this case
  the pad is a tooling hole which I want cleared from the polygon, on the
  current board this was connected to GND and completely flooded over last
  build.
The other manner in which this could have come about is having the
  polygon pour first and then placing the free pad into the polygon pour.
 This
  would have given it the GND net. Today I changed the net on
  the pad to No Net and the pour does not clear from the hole.
 
  Sincerely,
  Brad Velander.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Dwight

I spoke a bit too soon -- on my PCB it looks like pads  vias are treated
differently.  Vias use the pad size, and so exhibit the problem.  For free
pads, the pour leaves an area the shape of the pad (round, rectangular, or
octagonal), but uses the larger of the hole and pad size in each direction.
(Try a skinny rectangular pad, e.g., 1x50 with a 20mil hole.)

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:58 AM

 Thanks Dwight, that does make some sense. Seems I couldn't
 see the forest
 for the trees this morning.

 Sincerely,
 Brad Velander.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dwight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:01 AM

 The (design rule) clearance is from the PAD, not the hole --
 so a 0-size pad
 won't leave the clearance you want.  The pad needs to match
 (or nearly) the
 hole size.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Brad Velander

Tony,
I have to reneg on the fact that the problem is related only to the
pad size. I am running in circles this morning and just now had a chance to
get back in the database and check Dwight's solution. It is not related to
pad size.

For those who just have to know the outcome! Read on.

The problem was related to DRC rules. I had a rule specified to
clear the polygon around the tooling holes. This rule does obviously work
with the hole size because all of my tooling hole pads are 0 mils. The one
hole did not meet the rule requirement (it was at first net GND) because I
had specified the rule having NO Net on the tooling holes. This is why the
GND flood poured over initially. After changing the net back to NO Net the
rule should have worked and did not until I copied one of the other two pads
to replace the violating pad. After having connected as the pad being net
GND, the pad, DRC or the polygon was obviously corrupted and would not
properly clear the pad when it was renamed to No Net. 

The rule obviously does clear from the hole rather then the pad because it
normally works just fine as long I name the tooling hole net as No Net ( and
it was not previously connected to GND).

The rule is set as follows:

ItemA: Bottom Layer, Polygon, Net - Gnd
ItemB: Pad Specification 63.5mils, No Net, Multilayer, TOPMidBot X-0 Y-0
Shape-Round.
Different nets, 10 mils.

This rule will clear 10 mil from the pad hole size rather then the
pad size.

I believe that the problem mentioned with keepouts may be very
similarly related to rules definitions because in the previous experience I
had, which was similar to Wayne's comments, I was also using a rule to clear
the polygon from the layer specific keepouts. After the one segment of line
had been netted to GND, the flood continued to pour right over the keepout
even after I had changed the net on the one segment back to no net.

So I still think this is a bug! Can anybody confirm it now that I
believe I have sorted out all the details surrounding it. Any body wants to
see my database, I can cleanse it IP wise and share it later today (after I
get my files all panelized and out for quotation.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



-Original Message-
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:56 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


That works for me too. I did EXACTLY what you said, and as soon as I changed
the net to no net, I got DRC on the connection tracks. A repour
disconnected the pad.

Dunno...



 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:41 AM
 To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
 t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


 Thanks Tony,
   I am not sure that you are right though. It has persisted across two
 operating systems/installs on my machine, numerous databases and several
 other peoples machines at our facility. That is a little more
 then a chance
 installation screw-up or corrupted install.
   If you could please try, in this order, enter a free pad, unplated
 with no pad diameter, 100 mil hole, Net GND. Then pour a GND
 polygon over it
 with pour over same net and remove dead copper. It should flood right over
 the pad/hole. Now change the Pad netname to No Net and repour. This should
 be exactly how I have generated this issue repeatedly. Note I think it may
 have something to do with the unplated hole or 0 size pads. In this case
 the pad is a tooling hole which I want cleared from the polygon, on the
 current board this was connected to GND and completely flooded over last
 build.
   The other manner in which this could have come about is having the
 polygon pour first and then placing the free pad into the polygon
 pour. This
 would have given it the GND net. Today I changed the net on the pad to No
 Net
 and the pour does not clear from the hole.

 Sincerely,
 Brad Velander.

 Lead PCB Designer
 Norsat International Inc.
 Microwave Products
 Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
 Fax  (604) 292-9010
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.norsat.com

 See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.




* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* 

Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Tony Karavidas

Nope. It WAS zero mils as instructed. Pretty strange huh? (The fact that we
all don't get the same outcome)

Tony



 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:14 PM
 To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
 t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


 I am sure that Dwight got the right answer for me. The issue is the 0mil
 pads size. My mind was clouded by the other recent issue as Wayne
 mentioned
 with the layer specific keepouts. It was clouding my thoughts about this
 particular problem I saw this morning.
   I assume that you used a pad of some 0mil size when you did your
 test.

 Sincerely,
 Brad Velander.

 Lead PCB Designer
 Norsat International Inc.
 Microwave Products
 Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
 Fax  (604) 292-9010
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.norsat.com

 See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:56 AM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
 t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


 That works for me too. I did EXACTLY what you said, and as soon
 as I changed
 the net to no net, I got DRC on the connection tracks. A repour
 disconnected the pad.

 Dunno...


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.

2002-02-12 Thread Brad Velander

Yeah, I think I nailed it down Dwight. See my message posted right after
this one from you.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8.



-Original Message-
From: Dwight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:37 PM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Serious Bug: Polygons still connecting to pads after
t he net has been changed to something other then the polygon net name.


I spoke a bit too soon -- on my PCB it looks like pads  vias are treated
differently.  Vias use the pad size, and so exhibit the problem.  For free
pads, the pour leaves an area the shape of the pad (round, rectangular, or
octagonal), but uses the larger of the hole and pad size in each direction.
(Try a skinny rectangular pad, e.g., 1x50 with a 20mil hole.)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* To leave this list visit:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html
*
* Contact the list manager:
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* Forum Guidelines Rules:
* http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html
*
* Browse or Search previous postings:
* http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *