[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

About element attribute

On 18 дек, 01:25, kangax  wrote:
> On Dec 17, 11:42 am, buda  wrote:
>
> > I set required=true for some select on a form
>
> Are you talking about element attributes or object properties?
>
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[kangax]

On Dec 17, 11:42 am, buda  wrote:
> I set required=true for some select on a form

Are you talking about element attributes or object properties?

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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

I am tryinh to subscribe to web-dev list
if it'll sucsessfull - I send a list

On 17 дек, 21:52, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
> But IE < 8 treats height as if it was min-height, not as height. I  
> propose that you make a static copy of your HTML, post it somewhere,  
> and then post a screenshot from IE for comparison purposes. But  
> really, we've gone pretty far off topic for this list. I'm happy to  
> help you in another venue with your HTML issue. I'm a frequent  
> contributor on the Apple list, if you'd like to join and post there.  
> Despite the sponsorship, it's really not that Apple-centric a list,  
> more about good practices and getting things to work correctly than  
> anything else.
>
> Walter
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:38 PM, buda wrote:
>
>
>
> > I only use IEs quirk
> > mode because of its true understanding of "height=100%"- Скрыть цитируемый 
> > текст -
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[Walter Lee Davis]

But IE < 8 treats height as if it was min-height, not as height. I  
propose that you make a static copy of your HTML, post it somewhere,  
and then post a screenshot from IE for comparison purposes. But  
really, we've gone pretty far off topic for this list. I'm happy to  
help you in another venue with your HTML issue. I'm a frequent  
contributor on the Apple list, if you'd like to join and post there.  
Despite the sponsorship, it's really not that Apple-centric a list,  
more about good practices and getting things to work correctly than  
anything else.

Walter

On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:38 PM, buda wrote:

> I only use IEs quirk
> mode because of its true understanding of "height=100%"


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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

so I cant understand why its not work correctly
div.select('select[required="true"]')

On 17 дек, 21:38, buda  wrote:
> I wan add that I dont produce invalid HTML code - I only use IEs quirk
> mode because of its true understanding of "height=100%"
>
> I need an lyaout which is fets only viewport of window, not bigger it
> It must have menubar and beneath left menu pane and right contentarea
> and it must be elastic
>
> On 17 дек, 21:28, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
>
>
>
> > There are lots and lots of Web sites out there, and many many books on  
> > standards-based design. There is nothing that can't be done, usually  
> > pretty simply. Anyone who works in the standards has run their head up  
> > against a seeming-impossible layout before, so if you're really stuck,  
> > post your broken layout (showing you tried) and a JPEG of what you'd  
> > like it to look like on a more design-oriented list (web-...@lists.apple.com
> >   is one option) and see what advice you get.
>
> > The standards don't actually keep you from expressing yourself, they  
> > are actually there to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot or  
> > another appendage.
>
> > Walter
>
> > On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:13 PM, buda wrote:
>
> > > but if they dont allow me to do what I need - why they are?
> > > I have spent alot of time trying to develop onviewport plastic layout
> > > ( look at CRM web pages )
> > > it apperares that its impossible!!!- Скрыть цитируемый текст -
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

I wan add that I dont produce invalid HTML code - I only use IEs quirk
mode because of its true understanding of "height=100%"

I need an lyaout which is fets only viewport of window, not bigger it
It must have menubar and beneath left menu pane and right contentarea
and it must be elastic

On 17 дек, 21:28, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
> There are lots and lots of Web sites out there, and many many books on  
> standards-based design. There is nothing that can't be done, usually  
> pretty simply. Anyone who works in the standards has run their head up  
> against a seeming-impossible layout before, so if you're really stuck,  
> post your broken layout (showing you tried) and a JPEG of what you'd  
> like it to look like on a more design-oriented list (web-...@lists.apple.com
>   is one option) and see what advice you get.
>
> The standards don't actually keep you from expressing yourself, they  
> are actually there to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot or  
> another appendage.
>
> Walter
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:13 PM, buda wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > but if they dont allow me to do what I need - why they are?
> > I have spent alot of time trying to develop onviewport plastic layout
> > ( look at CRM web pages )
> > it apperares that its impossible!!!- Скрыть цитируемый текст -
>
> - Показать цитируемый текст -
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[Walter Lee Davis]

There are lots and lots of Web sites out there, and many many books on  
standards-based design. There is nothing that can't be done, usually  
pretty simply. Anyone who works in the standards has run their head up  
against a seeming-impossible layout before, so if you're really stuck,  
post your broken layout (showing you tried) and a JPEG of what you'd  
like it to look like on a more design-oriented list (web-...@lists.apple.com 
  is one option) and see what advice you get.

The standards don't actually keep you from expressing yourself, they  
are actually there to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot or  
another appendage.

Walter

On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:13 PM, buda wrote:

>
> but if they dont allow me to do what I need - why they are?
> I have spent alot of time trying to develop onviewport plastic layout
> ( look at CRM web pages )
> it apperares that its impossible!!!


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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

but if they dont allow me to do what I need - why they are?
I have spent alot of time trying to develop onviewport plastic layout
( look at CRM web pages )
it apperares that its impossible!!!

On 17 дек, 21:07, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
> Don't you think that's the tail wagging the dog? The standards are  
> there so that ALL the browser manufacturers can follow them, not the  
> other way around. We already suffered through what happens when each  
> browser manufacturer goes his or her own way -- I actually do remember  
> making multiple versions of a site and browser sniffing with a great  
> deal of loathing. This notion that "if it doesn't look the way IE does  
> it then it must be wrong" is just so completely realpolitik (not to  
> mention self-destructive) that it boggles the mind.
>
> Walter
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:56 PM, buda wrote:
>
>
>
> > It would be great if strict and others specificacions are so perfect
> > to render such laouts with HTML&css like IE do in quirk mode - I will
> > the first who throw away IE ))- Скрыть цитируемый текст -
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[Walter Lee Davis]

Don't you think that's the tail wagging the dog? The standards are  
there so that ALL the browser manufacturers can follow them, not the  
other way around. We already suffered through what happens when each  
browser manufacturer goes his or her own way -- I actually do remember  
making multiple versions of a site and browser sniffing with a great  
deal of loathing. This notion that "if it doesn't look the way IE does  
it then it must be wrong" is just so completely realpolitik (not to  
mention self-destructive) that it boggles the mind.

Walter

On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:56 PM, buda wrote:

> It would be great if strict and others specificacions are so perfect
> to render such laouts with HTML&css like IE do in quirk mode - I will
> the first who throw away IE ))


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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

It would be great if strict and others specificacions are so perfect
to render such laouts with HTML&css like IE do in quirk mode - I will
the first who throw away IE ))

On 17 дек, 20:20, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:13 PM, buda wrote:
>
>
>
> > We have to use IE because of its tight integration with all of
> > Microsoft products - I do develop office products
>
> That's fine as long as you can control the delivery of that product  
> absolutely. It may end up badly if you have any other more public  
> application in mind. I would urge you to learn more, you won't always  
> be so shackled and it's easy to get blindered into thinking that MS ==  
> The Whole World.
>
> Walter
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[Walter Lee Davis]

On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:13 PM, buda wrote:

>
> We have to use IE because of its tight integration with all of
> Microsoft products - I do develop office products

That's fine as long as you can control the delivery of that product  
absolutely. It may end up badly if you have any other more public  
application in mind. I would urge you to learn more, you won't always  
be so shackled and it's easy to get blindered into thinking that MS ==  
The Whole World.

Walter


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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

We have to use IE because of its tight integration with all of
Microsoft products - I do develop office products

On 17 дек, 19:51, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:33 PM, buda wrote:
>
> > I can't to verify HTML because it dynamic and I dont use quirk mode
> > knowingly - because so called strict or other modes dont let me to
> > make my design, so do Microsoft in its CRM web app
>
> You can, actually. View it in a browser, view source, copy, and paste  
> here: 
>
> And if you follow Microsoft or their CRM app, it's only over a cliff  
> you go! I used to work at a large Web house where we did a large  
> business fixing installations of that app so that it was accessible  
> and worked in anything besides IE. It was not easy at all.
>
> Walter
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[Walter Lee Davis]

On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:33 PM, buda wrote:

> I can't to verify HTML because it dynamic and I dont use quirk mode
> knowingly - because so called strict or other modes dont let me to
> make my design, so do Microsoft in its CRM web app

You can, actually. View it in a browser, view source, copy, and paste  
here: 

And if you follow Microsoft or their CRM app, it's only over a cliff  
you go! I used to work at a large Web house where we did a large  
business fixing installations of that app so that it was accessible  
and worked in anything besides IE. It was not easy at all.

Walter

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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

Thanks, I'll try

On 17 дек, 19:38, "Hector Virgen"  wrote:
> I suggest using a class name of "required" instead of creating a new
> attribute. Then it becomes very simple to select() required elements (no to
> mention styling them with CSS).
>
> div.select('select.required');
>
> -Hector
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:35 AM, buda  wrote:
>
> > sorry - I do use quirk mode knowingly! its misprint ))
>
> > On 17 дек, 19:33, buda  wrote:
> > > I can't to verify HTML because it dynamic and I dont use quirk mode
> > > knowingly - because so called strict or other modes dont let me to
> > > make my design, so do Microsoft in its CRM web app
>
> > > On 17 дек, 19:22, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
>
> > > > I'm going to guess here, but maybe because this isn't valid HTML. One
> > > > of the first things to do when debugging Prototoype is to run your
> > > > page through the W3C Validator and fix any errors it reports. Often
> > > > that is all it takes to get a non-working page to work as intended.
>
> > > > Walter
>
> > > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:42 AM, buda wrote:
>
> > > > >    div.select('select[required="true"]') - Скрыть цитируемый
> > текст -
>
> > > > - Показать цитируемый текст -- Скрыть цитируемый текст -
>
> > > - Показать цитируемый текст -- Скрыть цитируемый текст -
>
> - Показать цитируемый текст -
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[Hector Virgen]

I suggest using a class name of "required" instead of creating a new
attribute. Then it becomes very simple to select() required elements (no to
mention styling them with CSS).

div.select('select.required');

-Hector


On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:35 AM, buda  wrote:

>
> sorry - I do use quirk mode knowingly! its misprint ))
>
> On 17 дек, 19:33, buda  wrote:
> > I can't to verify HTML because it dynamic and I dont use quirk mode
> > knowingly - because so called strict or other modes dont let me to
> > make my design, so do Microsoft in its CRM web app
> >
> > On 17 дек, 19:22, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I'm going to guess here, but maybe because this isn't valid HTML. One
> > > of the first things to do when debugging Prototoype is to run your
> > > page through the W3C Validator and fix any errors it reports. Often
> > > that is all it takes to get a non-working page to work as intended.
> >
> > > Walter
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:42 AM, buda wrote:
> >
> > > >div.select('select[required="true"]') - Скрыть цитируемый
> текст -
> >
> > > - Показать цитируемый текст -- Скрыть цитируемый текст -
> >
> > - Показать цитируемый текст -
> >
>

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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

sorry - I do use quirk mode knowingly! its misprint ))

On 17 дек, 19:33, buda  wrote:
> I can't to verify HTML because it dynamic and I dont use quirk mode
> knowingly - because so called strict or other modes dont let me to
> make my design, so do Microsoft in its CRM web app
>
> On 17 дек, 19:22, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm going to guess here, but maybe because this isn't valid HTML. One  
> > of the first things to do when debugging Prototoype is to run your  
> > page through the W3C Validator and fix any errors it reports. Often  
> > that is all it takes to get a non-working page to work as intended.
>
> > Walter
>
> > On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:42 AM, buda wrote:
>
> > >    div.select('select[required="true"]') - Скрыть цитируемый текст -
>
> > - Показать цитируемый текст -- Скрыть цитируемый текст -
>
> - Показать цитируемый текст -
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[buda]

I can't to verify HTML because it dynamic and I dont use quirk mode
knowingly - because so called strict or other modes dont let me to
make my design, so do Microsoft in its CRM web app

On 17 дек, 19:22, Walter Lee Davis  wrote:
> I'm going to guess here, but maybe because this isn't valid HTML. One  
> of the first things to do when debugging Prototoype is to run your  
> page through the W3C Validator and fix any errors it reports. Often  
> that is all it takes to get a non-working page to work as intended.
>
> Walter
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:42 AM, buda wrote:
>
>
>
> >    div.select('select[required="true"]') - Скрыть цитируемый текст -
>
> - Показать цитируемый текст -
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[Proto-Scripty] Re: div.select('select[required="true"]') doesntwork

[Walter Lee Davis]

I'm going to guess here, but maybe because this isn't valid HTML. One  
of the first things to do when debugging Prototoype is to run your  
page through the W3C Validator and fix any errors it reports. Often  
that is all it takes to get a non-working page to work as intended.

Walter

On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:42 AM, buda wrote:

>div.select('select[required="true"]') 


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