Re: [PSF-Community] [PSF-Vote] Members Needed for PSF Sponsor WG
[Marc-Andre Lemburg] > Let's practice some more by engaging the voting members in more > decisions and by the time we run next year's board election, things > should have settled in just fine (so he says...). I personally think that's an excellent idea. And here's a thought: PEP 1 says that a PEP should provide a rationale. And what is a PSF board resolution if not a PSF-EP? Regards, Matt ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
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No problem Ian. I understand the reasons. I was not the only confused and I am happy everything has been clarified. It is also great that despite everything it was possible to independently recount the election which confirms the process is working transparently. Thanks for your effort and congratulations to the new board. :-) Massimo On Jun 1, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote: > This list has roughly always had the consensus that having ballots > with candidates ordered differently was a good thing to avoid the > ordering having a significant impact on the results of the election. > > Yes this is not an ideal way of using eVote, but it is the current > solution we have chosen. Mark and I may work on making eVote handle > randomization in the future, but I frankly doubt that will be fruitful > given that the ballot is one large template and I'm unconvinced eVote > could be modified in simple enough way to make the ballots random. > > Cheers, > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:21 AM, Steve Holden wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro >> wrote: >>> >>> Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time? >> >> >> This look sot me like a usability issue: can it be addressed with >> documentation? >> >> Steve Holden >> >> ___ >> PSF-Community mailing list >> PSF-Community@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >> ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
Re: [PSF-Community] [PSF-Vote] Members Needed for PSF Sponsor WG
Dear all, Could avoid double-posting on PSF-vote and PSF-community? I'm presuming everyone here has some amount of mailing-list literacy ;-) Thank you Antoine. Le 01/06/2016 17:59, Ian Cordasco a écrit : > This list has roughly always had the consensus that having ballots > with candidates ordered differently was a good thing to avoid the > ordering having a significant impact on the results of the election. > > Yes this is not an ideal way of using eVote, but it is the current > solution we have chosen. Mark and I may work on making eVote handle > randomization in the future, but I frankly doubt that will be fruitful > given that the ballot is one large template and I'm unconvinced eVote > could be modified in simple enough way to make the ballots random. > > Cheers, ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
Re: [PSF-Community] [PSF-Vote] Members Needed for PSF Sponsor WG
This list has roughly always had the consensus that having ballots with candidates ordered differently was a good thing to avoid the ordering having a significant impact on the results of the election. Yes this is not an ideal way of using eVote, but it is the current solution we have chosen. Mark and I may work on making eVote handle randomization in the future, but I frankly doubt that will be fruitful given that the ballot is one large template and I'm unconvinced eVote could be modified in simple enough way to make the ballots random. Cheers, On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:21 AM, Steve Holden wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro > wrote: >> >> Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time? > > > This look sot me like a usability issue: can it be addressed with > documentation? > > Steve Holden > > ___ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
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Hi all, Sorry for being later than most would have wanted. PyCon is a bit distracting and I missed the initial message and have been asleep for the rest. The duplicate email address problem is definitely my fault. I copied the emails into a file and then ran `uniq` forgetting that the file should have been sorted first. (i.e., that `sort -u` would have been the right solution) We also mentioned shortly after the election started that we were using more than one ballot on this mailing list. I'm sorry for the confusion. Consider this something else we'll improve on next year. Cheers, Ia On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro wrote: > I see… I was not aware of this. Browsing the pages I now see there are two > elections: > > https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/45 > https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 > > Same candidates and different ballots. I did not know about this. It is a > weird way to use the system. > I added up the numbers and now I agree with your results with the caveat > below. > > Thanks for the clarification. :-) > > Caveat: I checked the database and I found 8 people were able to vote for > both instances: ['katie.ful...@gmail.com', 'kirby.ur...@gmail.com', > 'diana.joan.cla...@gmail.com', 'l...@lynnroot.com', 'c...@oddbird.net', > 'j...@elkner.net', 'amaur...@gmail.com', 'facu...@taniquetil.com.ar’] > > I am sure this was a honest mistake but please this should not happen again. > 8 people with two ballots could have made a lot of difference. I trust they > realized they received two ballot and they voted for only one of them. > > Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time? > > Massimo > > > (178, 'Diana Clarke') > (169, 'Naomi Ceder') > (155, 'Carol Willing') > (150, 'Van Lindberg') > (133, 'Carrie Anne Philbin') > (118, 'Jackie Kazil') > (110, 'Lorena Mesa') > (104, 'Younggun Kim') > (98, 'Kushal Das') > (85, 'Trey Hunner') > (83, 'Annapoornima Koppad') > (75, 'Massimo Di Pierro') > (73, 'Don Sheu') > (72, 'Monty Taylor') > (64, 'James Powell') > (58, 'Simon Cross') > (54, 'Raphael Pierzina') > (49, 'Ed Leafe') > (46, 'Philip James') > (20, 'Raghav Hanumantharau') > (15, 'Chris Clifton') > > > > On Jun 1, 2016, at 1:13 AM, VanL wrote: > > Hi Massimo, > > You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than > one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to > have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted are > the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots. > > Thanks, > Van > > _ > Van Lindberg > van.lindb...@gmail.com > m: 214.364.7985 > > On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" > wrote: >> >> P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: >> https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also >> public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The >> links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which >> one is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are >> anonymous. >> >> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro >> wrote: >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am >> receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not >> elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not >> followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that >> No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are >> important. >> >> Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes >> votes (second column) >> >> Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes >> are counted? >> Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good >> explanation, I just do not know what it is. >> >> Massimo >> >> >> Name,Yes,No,Abstain >> Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 >> Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 >> Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 >> Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 >> Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 >> Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 >> Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 >> Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 >> Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 >> Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 >> Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 >> Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 >> Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 >> Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 >> Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 >> Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 >> Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 >> James Powell, 31, 10, 80 >> Philip James, 18, 14, 89 >> Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 >> Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96 >> >> >> >> ___ >> PSF-Vote mailing list >> psf-v...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-vote >> > > > ___ > PSF-Vote mailing list > psf-v...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-vote > ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailm
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I see… I was not aware of this. Browsing the pages I now see there are two elections: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/45 https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 Same candidates and different ballots. I did not know about this. It is a weird way to use the system. I added up the numbers and now I agree with your results with the caveat below. Thanks for the clarification. :-) Caveat: I checked the database and I found 8 people were able to vote for both instances: ['katie.ful...@gmail.com', 'kirby.ur...@gmail.com', 'diana.joan.cla...@gmail.com', 'l...@lynnroot.com', 'c...@oddbird.net', 'j...@elkner.net', 'amaur...@gmail.com', 'facu...@taniquetil.com.ar’] I am sure this was a honest mistake but please this should not happen again. 8 people with two ballots could have made a lot of difference. I trust they realized they received two ballot and they voted for only one of them. Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time? Massimo (178, 'Diana Clarke') (169, 'Naomi Ceder') (155, 'Carol Willing') (150, 'Van Lindberg') (133, 'Carrie Anne Philbin') (118, 'Jackie Kazil') (110, 'Lorena Mesa') (104, 'Younggun Kim') (98, 'Kushal Das') (85, 'Trey Hunner') (83, 'Annapoornima Koppad') (75, 'Massimo Di Pierro') (73, 'Don Sheu') (72, 'Monty Taylor') (64, 'James Powell') (58, 'Simon Cross') (54, 'Raphael Pierzina') (49, 'Ed Leafe') (46, 'Philip James') (20, 'Raghav Hanumantharau') (15, 'Chris Clifton') On Jun 1, 2016, at 1:13 AM, VanL wrote: > Hi Massimo, > > You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than > one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to > have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted are > the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots. > > Thanks, > Van > > _ > Van Lindberg > van.lindb...@gmail.com > m: 214.364.7985 > > On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" > wrote: > P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: > https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also > public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The > links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one > is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous. > > On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro > wrote: > >> Hello everybody, >> >> I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am >> receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not >> elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not >> followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that >> No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are >> important. >> >> Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes >> votes (second column) >> >> Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes >> are counted? >> Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good >> explanation, I just do not know what it is. >> >> Massimo >> >> >> Name,Yes,No,Abstain >> Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 >> Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 >> Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 >> Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 >> Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 >> Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 >> Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 >> Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 >> Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 >> Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 >> Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 >> Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 >> Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 >> Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 >> Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 >> Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 >> Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 >> James Powell, 31, 10, 80 >> Philip James, 18, 14, 89 >> Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 >> Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96 > > > ___ > PSF-Vote mailing list > psf-v...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-vote > ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
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P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous. On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am > receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not > elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed > the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and > Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important. > > Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes > votes (second column) > > Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are > counted? > Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good > explanation, I just do not know what it is. > > Massimo > > > Name,Yes,No,Abstain > Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 > Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 > Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 > Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 > Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 > Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 > Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 > Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 > Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 > Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 > Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 > Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 > Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 > Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 > Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 > Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 > Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 > James Powell, 31, 10, 80 > Philip James, 18, 14, 89 > Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 > Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96 ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro wrote: > Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time? > This look sot me like a usability issue: can it be addressed with documentation? Steve Holden ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
Re: [PSF-Community] [PSF-Vote] Members Needed for PSF Sponsor WG
Can the board or election administrator please publish the cumulative results across all ballots, and links to all validation pages in e-vote?! On May 31, 2016 11:14 PM, "VanL" wrote: > Hi Massimo, > > You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than > one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to > have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted > are the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots. > > Thanks, > Van > > _ > Van Lindberg > van.lindb...@gmail.com > m: 214.364.7985 > On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" > wrote: > >> P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: >> https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are >> also public and posted here: >> https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in >> your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot >> from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous. >> >> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro >> wrote: >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I >> am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not >> elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not >> followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that >> No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are >> important. >> >> Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes >> votes (second column) >> >> Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes >> are counted? >> Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good >> explanation, I just do not know what it is. >> >> Massimo >> >> >> Name,Yes,No,Abstain >> Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 >> Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 >> Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 >> Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 >> Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 >> Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 >> Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 >> Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 >> Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 >> Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 >> Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 >> Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 >> Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 >> Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 >> Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 >> Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 >> Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 >> James Powell, 31, 10, 80 >> Philip James, 18, 14, 89 >> Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 >> Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96 >> >> >> >> ___ >> PSF-Vote mailing list >> psf-v...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-vote >> >> > ___ > PSF-Community mailing list > PSF-Community@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community > > ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
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Hi Massimo, You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted are the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots. Thanks, Van _ Van Lindberg van.lindb...@gmail.com m: 214.364.7985 On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" wrote: > P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: > https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are > also public and posted here: > https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in > your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot > from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous. > > On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro > wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am > receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not > elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not > followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that > No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are > important. > > Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes > votes (second column) > > Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes > are counted? > Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good > explanation, I just do not know what it is. > > Massimo > > > Name,Yes,No,Abstain > Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 > Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 > Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 > Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 > Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 > Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 > Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 > Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 > Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 > Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 > Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 > Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 > Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 > Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 > Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 > Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 > Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 > James Powell, 31, 10, 80 > Philip James, 18, 14, 89 > Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 > Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96 > > > > ___ > PSF-Vote mailing list > psf-v...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-vote > > ___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
Re: [PSF-Community] [PSF-Vote] Members Needed for PSF Sponsor WG
Hello everybody, I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important. Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes votes (second column) Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are counted? Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good explanation, I just do not know what it is. Massimo Name,Yes,No,Abstain Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 James Powell, 31, 10, 80 Philip James, 18, 14, 89 Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96___ PSF-Community mailing list PSF-Community@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community
