Re: Art steps down - thank you for everything

2016-01-31 Thread Tobie Langel
So long, Art, and thanks for all the fish. --tobie On Thu, 28 Jan 2016, at 16:45, Chaals McCathie Nevile wrote: > Hi folks, > > as you may have noticed, Art has resigned as a co-chair of the Web > Platform group. He began chairing the Web Application Formats group about > a decade ago,

Re: Custom Elements: is=

2015-06-14 Thread Tobie Langel
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 18:52, Alice Boxhall wrote: Doc in progress at https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/blob/gh-pages/proposals/Type-Extensions.md Sent a pull request your way[1]. --tobie --- [1]: https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/pull/117

Re: Custom Elements: is=

2015-06-13 Thread Tobie Langel
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015, at 19:41, Léonie Watson wrote: Is there a succinct explanation of why the is= syntax is disliked? The info on the WHATWG wiki explains where is= breaks, but doesn’t offer much on the syntax issue [1]. Esthetics aside, the main issue it is takes the concept of inheritance

Re: [IndexedDB] link to Editor's draft is a 404

2015-02-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Michael[tm] Smith m...@w3.org wrote: Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com, 2015-02-02 08:47 -0500: Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/54cf7fe0.6090...@gmail.com On 2/2/15 7:14 AM

Re: [IndexedDB] link to Editor's draft is a 404

2015-02-03 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Michael[tm] Smith m...@w3.org wrote: Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com, 2015-02-02 08:47 -0500: Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/54cf7fe0.6090...@gmail.com On 2/2/15 7:14 AM, Tobie Langel wrote: Would recommend redirecting to the ED of the next

[IndexedDB] link to Editor's draft is a 404

2015-02-02 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi, Heads-up that the link to the Editor's Draft of the IndexedDB spec is now a 404. Not sure whether that is on purpose or an accident. Would recommend redirecting to the ED of the next version of the spec. Thanks, --tobie

Re: [editing] Responsive Input Terminology

2014-12-12 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Ben Peters ben.pet...@microsoft.com wrote: There has been a lot of debate [1][2] about the correct name for device independent events [3] as a concept*. We have considered Intention Events, Command Events, and Action Events among others. I believe we now have a

Re: [editing] Responsive Input Terminology

2014-12-12 Thread Tobie Langel
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: What is your counter-proposal? Heh. Fair enough, I guess. :) These seem related to what Java calls semantic events [JAVADOC], so I'd give that a try to see if it fits the model. If not, would abstract events or

[service-workers] SW event syntax and Cache API

2014-07-03 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi folks, Couple of issues I've bumped into recently while looking at Service Workers more closely. 1. e.respondWith + e.waitUntil. I feel like those are strong code smells we haven't found the right design for yet. I have a suggestion for waitUntil[1]. None yet for respondWith, but plan to

Re: Fetch API

2014-05-29 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Marcos mar...@marcosc.com wrote: enum RequestMode { same-origin, tainted cross-origin, CORS, CORS-with-forced-preflight }; I think these are badly named (even though they use the names used in HTML and Fetch). It's going to be annoying to type these out for

[push-api] No clear mention of privacy implication of sending data through push service

2014-02-17 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi, Was just skimming through the Push API spec. I'm aware that no payload is sent with push message for privacy reasons (as push service is most certainly a third party), but that isn't mentioned in the spec. I suggest adding a non-normative note that: 1. describes the reasons of this

Re: Testing Pointer Lock

2013-10-03 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thursday, October 3, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:50:21 +0100, Vincent Scheib sch...@google.com (mailto:sch...@google.com) wrote: Pointer lock is tricky to automate tests for. Consider some examples: - Upon lock, no pointer should be visible.

Re: [screen-orient] why not provide at CSSOM API to CSS Device Adaptation instead?

2013-07-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Mounir Lamouri wrote: On 24/04/13 11:13, Tobie Langel wrote: While some of the original use cases required dynamically modifying orientation lock (e.g. the Game within a game experience[5]), key use cases simply require a declarative, page-wide

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-19 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: It might be though that maybe we should put the boundary for applications on the web on the origin level. It would certainly be extremely convenient and allow for a whole bunch of simplifications. I feel the same way. It would be

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-19 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Tobie Langel to...@w3.org (mailto:to...@w3.org) wrote: It would be interesting to list the downsides of this approach to see if the tradeoff is worth making. Downsides: * More DNS

[shadow-dom] spec markup

2013-06-03 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi folks, Attempting to parse the shadow-dom spec to gather test coverage data. Turns out the markup significantly departs from other specs. Not sure if the spec is edited using a special tool or by hand. Regardless, adding a className of idl to WebIDL blocks would go a long way. Think that's

Re: [shadow-dom] spec markup

2013-06-03 Thread Tobie Langel
Done: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22254. Thanks. --tobie On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com (mailto:tobie.lan...@gmail.com) wrote: Regardless, adding a className of idl

Re: [File Api]: How to Test input type=file ?

2013-05-31 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Fabian Raetz wrote: I'm searching a way to unit test file uploads but i can't find any solutions to that problem on the web. That's work in the scope of the Browser Testing and Tools WG. Afaik, there's ongoing discussions on how to best support that, but

[screen-orient] why not provide at CSSOM API to CSS Device Adaptation instead?

2013-04-24 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi, Screen orientation lock is critical to a whole set of mobile games (especially those which rely on the accelerometer to control the gameplay). It's great that it is now considered for specification and implementation. I had collected some use cases a while back[1], some of which led to

Re: [screen-orient] why not provide at CSSOM API to CSS Device Adaptation instead?

2013-04-24 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen wrote: Hi there, CSS Device Adaptation should hopefully be enabled on all browsers (desktop and mobile) unlike the viewport meta tag, which cannot be enabled on desktop browsers easily as many desktop sites actually comes

Re: [admin] Testing and GitHub login names

2013-04-23 Thread Tobie Langel
X-posting to public-infra for those that have missed the conversation going on in WebApps on the subject of test review within the web-platform-tests repository on GitHub. On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 at 9:55 AM, James Graham wrote: On 04/23/2013 08:43 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: On 22/04/2013

Re: [admin] Testing and GitHub login names

2013-04-23 Thread Tobie Langel
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 at 9:55 AM, James Graham wrote: On 04/23/2013 08:43 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: On 22/04/2013 13:12 , James Graham wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013, Arthur Barstow wrote: The only thing that we ask is that pull requests not be merged by whoever made the request.

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-03-26 Thread Tobie Langel
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: (I take it the fixing-appcache mailing list has since been closed in http://www.w3.org/community/fixing-appcache/ favour of discussion here.) Yes, see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fixing-appcache/2013Feb/0005.html

Re: IndexedDB, what were the issues? How do we stop it from happening again?

2013-03-15 Thread Tobie Langel
On Friday, March 15, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Jarred Nicholls wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alex Russell slightly...@google.com (mailto:slightly...@google.com) wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: Workers exist explicitly to allow you to

Re: IndexedDB, what were the issues? How do we stop it from happening again?

2013-03-14 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Alex Russell wrote: On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Tobie Langel wrote: Sync APIs are useful to do I/O inside of a Worker. I don't understand why that's true. Workers have a message-oriented API that's inherently async. They can get back

Re: IndexedDB, what were the issues? How do we stop it from happening again?

2013-03-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Jarred Nicholls wrote: This is an entirely different conversation though. I don't know the answer to why sync interfaces are there and expected, except that some would argue that it makes the code easier to read/write for some devs. Since this is

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Tobie Langel
On Monday, February 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl (mailto:ann...@annevk.nl) wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com (mailto:dglaz...@google.com) wrote: Still

Re: DRM nonsense in HTML

2013-02-12 Thread Tobie Langel
On 2/12/13 5:05 PM, Florian Bösch pya...@gmail.com wrote: DRM does not belong into HTML, nor into any kind of W3C standard. [...] This is the wrong mailing list. You might want to look at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/lists/. --tobie

Re: Allow ... centralized dialog up front

2013-02-03 Thread Tobie Langel
On 2/2/13 12:16 PM, Florian Bösch pya...@gmail.com wrote: Usually games (especially 3D applications) would like to get capabilities that they can use out of the way up front so they don't have to care about it later on. This is not an either / or problem. First, lets clarify that the granting

Re: Allow ... centralized dialog up front

2013-02-03 Thread Tobie Langel
On 2/4/13 1:35 AM, Florian Bösch pya...@gmail.com wrote: So how exactly do you imagine this going down when an application that uses half a dozen such capabilities starts? Clicking trough half a dozen allow - allow - allow - allow - allow - allow, you really think the user's gonna bother what the

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-02-01 Thread Tobie Langel
On 2/1/13 5:52 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: On 1/31/13 3:18 PM, ext Rebecca Hauck wrote: Since I'm not in the webapps working group, I had to first get access to the repository. I was told that that to get write access, I (probably) had to join the working group [1]. Yes, it

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-02-01 Thread Tobie Langel
On 2/1/13 4:23 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: One of things I wondering about is - after you leave your Fellow position [BTW, that's totally wicked so congrats on that!], and Robin has moved on to `greener pastures` and Odin has moved on to be CEO of Opera - if/when there are

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-31 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/31/13 9:13 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: As I said during one of the testing breakouts in Lyon, ultimately I suspect the saying beggars can't be choosy will trump. However, AFAIK, currently, only one of WebApps' thirty active specs actually has an outside contribution. As

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-25 Thread Tobie Langel
FWIW that looks good to me. At risk of bikeshedding, I think that calling a repo with tests for non-HTML specs html-testsuite is confusing and will make the repository harder to find, especially since the people who are aware that html is not a catch-all term are also the people most likely

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-25 Thread Tobie Langel
On Jan 24, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Odin Hørthe Omdal odi...@opera.com wrote: Arthur Barstow wrote: Before we start a CfC to change WebApps' agreed testing process [Testing], please make a clear proposal regarding the submission process, approval process, roles, etc. as is defined in [Testing] and

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-22 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/22/13 11:53 AM, Odin Hørthe Omdal odi...@opera.com wrote: Hi! We just had a small discussion on webapps-testsuite [1] about the possibility of moving the webapps tests. I was wrongly under the impression that we had discussed this before (hey, confusion is not a crime ;) ). We had such

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-22 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/22/13 12:20 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Tobie Langel to...@fb.com wrote: There are benefits to both approaches. I would be in favor of having a repository per spec (named tr_shortname-testsuite). This will make it a lot easier

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-22 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/22/13 12:37 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Tobie Langel to...@fb.com wrote: That's definitely something to keep in mind. How frequent is it that a feature moves from one spec to another (that, is outside of the continuous flow of features

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-22 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/22/13 2:23 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: On 22/01/2013 13:27 , Odin Hørthe Omdal wrote: I'm not really sure if that is needed. If we can trust someone in one repository, why not in all? I'd add to that: the odds are that if someone is screwing things up, it's better to have more

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-22 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/22/13 4:45 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: On 22/01/2013 14:48 , Tobie Langel wrote: Yes, I guess what I want to avoid at all costs is the split per WG which has boundaries that partially happen at IP level, rather than strictly at the technology level. My understanding is that we

Re: Proposal: moving tests to GitHub

2013-01-22 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/23/13 12:48 AM, Julian Aubourg j...@ubourg.net wrote: I love the idea of moving to github. The one-repo idea, while much simpler from a maintenance point of view, could easily be a burden on users that subscribe to it. Even more so for people who can merge PRs (and thus will receive an email

Re: [ambient light events LC] Feedback ( LC-2736)

2013-01-17 Thread Tobie Langel
On 1/17/13 11:36 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:15 AM, frederick.hir...@nokia.com wrote: Dear Tab Atkins Jr. , The Device APIs Working Group has reviewed the comments you sent [1] on the Last Call Working Draft [2] of the Ambient Light Events

Re: Editor change for Web Application Manifest Format and Management APIs specification

2012-11-26 Thread Tobie Langel
On 11/26/12 2:35 PM, Charles McCathie Nevile cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:58:02 +0400, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote: Hi, Anant stepped down as an editor of Web Application Manifest Format and Management APIs specification [1] but Mozilla is still interested

Re: CfC: publish WD of XHR; deadline November 29

2012-11-23 Thread Tobie Langel
On 11/23/12 5:36 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: However, we should be honest about the origin of the text and not try to pass off Anne's work as our own. Or better yet, provide a canvas where Anne is able to do his work as part of the WebApps WG. --tobie

Re: [quota-api] Need for session storage type

2012-11-05 Thread Tobie Langel
On 10/31/12 6:03 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: I think the bigger question is What's a session? Does it end if I: * close the window? * close the last window in this origin? * close the last window in this browser profile? * quit the browser? -

Re: [quota-api] Need for session storage type

2012-11-05 Thread Tobie Langel
On 11/5/12 6:47 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote: And/or coming up with an API to allow application developers to close sessions on a per origin basis and benefit from related security/privacy guarantees (wiping-out session storage, cookies, etc.). Sites can already clean up

Re: CfC: publish LCWD of File API; deadline October 22

2012-10-17 Thread Tobie Langel
On 10/17/12 3:29 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: All - this is a Call for Consensus to publish a Last Call Working Draft of the File API spec http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/. Note bug 17125 ([1] below) is open and Arun proposes it be postponed for v.next. Additionally, Arun

Re: [widgets] Packaged Web Apps (Widgets) - Packaging and XML Configuration (Second Edition) is a Proposed Edited Recommendation

2012-09-28 Thread Tobie Langel
On 9/28/12 10:18 AM, Charles McCathie Nevile cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:55:37 +0400, Tobie Langel to...@fb.com wrote: On 9/27/12 9:35 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: W3C Advisory Committee members are asked to Please review the specification

Re: [widgets] Packaged Web Apps (Widgets) - Packaging and XML Configuration (Second Edition) is a Proposed Edited Recommendation

2012-09-27 Thread Tobie Langel
On 9/27/12 9:35 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: W3C Advisory Committee members are asked to Please review the specification and indicate whether you endorse it as W3C Recommendation or object to its advancement by completing the following questionnaire

Re: [quota-api] API change suggestions

2012-09-11 Thread Tobie Langel
On 9/11/12 11:13 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: I think I like this idea, but I'm also concerned with the fact that Chromium has been shipping Quota API some time now and there're some consumers of the old API. Wasn't aware. Does't seem to be in Chrome, even prefixed, however.

Re: [quota-api] API change suggestions

2012-09-11 Thread Tobie Langel
On 9/11/12 12:29 PM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: It's prefixed, and based on the previous (original) proposal. Which is why I didn't find it (I was expecting it to hang off of the navigator property of the window object). --tobie

[quota-api] Need for session storage type

2012-09-10 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi all, Following a recent conversation with Jonas (and contrary to what I initially claimed here) there's value in adding a third storage type to the Quota API: Session storage. Contrary to temporary storage which might not get wiped across UA sessions, Session storage MUST get wiped when the

[quota-api] API change suggestions

2012-09-10 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi, I'm very happy with the API changes we where able to make to the Quota API, but there's a method name we have left untouched and that I haven't figured out how to tackle until today: queryUsageAndQuota. The name is horrendous and is going to make developers cringe. It's also not very

Re: [XHR] Setting the User-Agent header

2012-09-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 9/5/12 12:33 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: On 05/09/2012 06:03 , Mark Nottingham wrote: That's unfortunate, because part of the intent of the UA header is to identify the software making the request, for debugging / tracing purposes. Given that lots of libraries generate XHR

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-02 Thread Tobie Langel
On 8/1/12 10:04 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: Can we please stop saying lazy blob? It's a confused and confusing phrase. Blobs are lazy by design. Yes. Remote blob is more accurate and should help think about this problem in a more meaningful way. --tobie

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-02 Thread Tobie Langel
On 8/2/12 2:29 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:45 , Tobie Langel wrote: On 8/1/12 10:04 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: Can we please stop saying lazy blob? It's a confused and confusing phrase. Blobs are lazy by design. Yes. Remote blob is more

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-06-27 Thread Tobie Langel
On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:14, Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/27/2012 05:44 PM, Tobie Langel wrote: On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Glenn Maynardgl...@zewt.org wrote: Unrelated, screaming-caps on RFC2119 terms (eg. MUST) is jarring and unnecessary. I'd suggest dropping the em.rfc2119 style

Re: CfC: publish FPWD of Fullscreen spec; deadline May 24

2012-06-19 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/20/12 12:05 AM, Sylvain Galineau sylva...@microsoft.com wrote: [Daniel Glazman:] That's also the reason why I asked to explain requestFullscreen(). It can sound obvious, but it's not. And in fact, we should _never_ introduce a new syntax, API, whatever w/o saying _what it does_ from

Re: Implied Context Parsing (DocumentFragment.innerHTML, or similar) proposal details to be sorted out

2012-06-08 Thread Tobie Langel
On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@google.com wrote: Yehuda, Can you help clarify here whether jQuery's behavior is intentional (i.e. use cases drive the need for executability), or if it's a side-effect of the implementation? I can't speak for jQuery, but in

[QUOTA] Misleading example in Quota handling in storage API section

2012-06-08 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi, In section 5 of the Quota Management API (Quota handling in storage API)[1], the last sentence of the first bullet point reads: For example, Application Cache may silently discard or fail to cache data when it is hitting quota limit. This is actually incorrect, AppCache is atomic and

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/6/12 8:33 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: Based on the feedbacks I've updated the draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/quota/raw-file/tip/Overview.html - Got rid of string enum, instead introduced navigator.persistentStorage and navigator.temporaryStorage - Some interface name changes

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/6/12 2:10 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: I don't recall the group discussing the UCs and requirements the spec addresses. Perhaps it would also be useful to step back a bit and try to get agreement on some high level requirements before proceeding. Agreed. --tobie

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/6/12 10:27 AM, Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com wrote: Having looked again at this, I think the easiest approach would not be to publish WebApp Manifest as is, but simply to publish a new draft of the Widget Interface[1] and do a search/replace on widget with webapp. Republishing

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/6/12 3:35 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Tobie Langel wrote: Mozilla's proposal seems to essentially target applications distributed through app stores. We'd like to see a solution that also enables providing meta data to bookmarked apps

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/6/12 5:02 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Tobie Langel wrote: Absolutely, or: html manifest=/path/to/config.webapp and combine appcache and config into a single format. The AppCache manifest format works beautifully in JSON

Re: Push API draft uploaded

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/6/12 6:05 PM, SULLIVAN, BRYAN L bs3...@att.com wrote: Here is the thread for the set of use cases I submitted for this API during the rechartering: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/0008.html. Additional use cases are welcome, and we can capture them and derived

[Process] Publishing use cases and requirements as official docs

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi, I recently stumbled upon a number of use case and requirements docs (such as MediaStream Capture Scenarios[1] or HTML Speech XG[2]) that were published as officially looking W3C documents (for whatever that means, at least, it's not a page on a Wiki). I think that's tremendously useful,

Re: CfC: publish FPWD of Quota Management API; deadline June 13

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/6/12 2:01 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Having seen no negative responses to the Is the Quota Management API spec ready for FPWD? thread [1], this is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to publish a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) of the Quota Management API using the following ED

Re: [Process] Publishing use cases and requirements as official docs

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: (Starting a new thread by replying to a mail and then changing the subject and quoted text is not a good idea; just start a new mail.) Guilty as charged. Sorry, won't happen again. I recently stumbled upon a number of use

Re: [Process] Publishing use cases and requirements as official docs

2012-06-06 Thread Tobie Langel
On Jun 6, 2012, at 10:04 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Tobie Langel wrote: On Jun 6, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: Only documents under http://www.w3.org/TR/ are official publications as far as Working Group's Technical Reports go. Can't WG

Re: Push API draft uploaded

2012-06-05 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/5/12 4:00 PM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote: On 05/31/2012 03:28 PM, Tobie Langel wrote: I'm probably missing something here, but notifications don't seem to be going through a system- / browser-wide notification panel from which the user can decide whether or not to navigate

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-06-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/1/12 12:07 PM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: Makes sense, ok let's keep it. Then we will have symmetric four methods, request and query for each type. Following up on the conversation on Quota Management API and the recent changes which were agreed upon, I'm wondering whether we

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-06-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/4/12 11:17 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Tobie Langel to...@fb.com wrote: Finally, I feel it's slightly misleading to have an interface called info which enables changes (through `requestQuota`). Wouldn't settings or similar be more

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/2/12 6:54 AM, Fabrice Desre fabr...@mozilla.com wrote: On 06/01/2012 02:36 PM, Tobie Langel wrote: On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com mailto:w...@marcosc.com wrote: Sounds good. AFAICT, Moz's proposal doesn't really cover packaging either ... Not in the sense

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/4/12 6:41 PM, Fabrice Desre fabr...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Tobie, On 06/04/2012 03:03 AM, Tobie Langel wrote: On 6/2/12 6:54 AM, Fabrice Desré fabr...@mozilla.com wrote: We're working on pre-loading the appcache at install time when the appcache path is specified in the manifest. See

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/4/12 9:16 PM, Fabrice Desre fabr...@mozilla.com wrote: On 06/04/2012 10:38 AM, Tobie Langel wrote: On 6/4/12 6:41 PM, Fabrice Desre fabr...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Tobie, On 06/04/2012 03:03 AM, Tobie Langel wrote: On 6/2/12 6:54 AM, Fabrice Desré fabr...@mozilla.com wrote: We're

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-06-01 Thread Tobie Langel
On 6/1/12 10:34 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: If we go along the line we will have four methods on StorageInfo: queryPersistentUsageAndQuota queryTemporaryUsageAndQuota requestPersistentQuota We could also think of 'requestTemporaryQuota', a variant of requestQuota, but by the

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-01 Thread Tobie Langel
On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be interested in implementing support for the JSON manifest format in Apache Wookie/Apache Rave, but really want this to be properly harmonized with the Widgets specs rather than a competing incompatible

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-01 Thread Tobie Langel
--tobie On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On 1 Jun 2012, at 18:18, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On 31 May 2012, at 23:23, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: Is anyone

Re: [manifest] Is the Webapp Manifest spec ready for FPWD?

2012-06-01 Thread Tobie Langel
On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.commailto:w...@marcosc.com wrote: Sounds good. AFAICT, Moz's proposal doesn't really cover packaging either ... Not in the sense of wrapping the app using zip or something. More metadata, feature control (potentially relevant to requiring

Re: Push API draft uploaded

2012-05-31 Thread Tobie Langel
On 5/30/12 11:14 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote: * I guess the idea of |onmessage| is that the PushService instance will get an event when the backend will push a notification to the webapp. However, I wonder how you do handle the situation when the application is actually not

Re: [admin] Mail List Policy, Usage, Etiquette, etc. Top-posting

2012-05-31 Thread Tobie Langel
On 5/31/12 11:58 PM, SULLIVAN, BRYAN L bs3...@att.com wrote: bryan How about a practical suggestion for the (probably many) of us that have to use Microsoft Outlook? From: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#Mailing_List If you use Outlook or Outlook Express, you can use either Outlook-QuoteFix

Re: [admin] Mail List Policy, Usage, Etiquette, etc. Top-posting

2012-05-30 Thread Tobie Langel
On 5/29/12 6:52 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jean-Claude Dufourd jean-claude.dufo...@telecom-paristech.fr wrote: On 29/5/12 17:56 , Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-05-29 16:53, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Arthur

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-05-30 Thread Tobie Langel
On 5/30/12 6:30 PM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: Thanks for the feedback! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Tobie Langel to...@fb.com wrote: On 5/17/12 11:02 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: For context for others, I assume they are comments for the draft pushed

[IndexedDB] Normative content arguably informative in IndexedDB LC draft

2012-05-30 Thread Tobie Langel
Hi, Section 6 (Privacy) and 7 (Authorization) of the IndexedDB LC draft[1] feel very informative, yet they're not marked as such. Is there ground to keep them as normative content or should we explicitly mark them as non-normative, remove their usage of the RFC 2119 MAY keyword, and mark the

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-05-30 Thread Tobie Langel
On 5/30/12 9:03 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 5/30/12 2:05 PM, Eric Uhrhane wrote: How about session, which is guaranteed to go away when the browser exits Should it go away if the browser crashes (or is killed

Re: Feedback on Quota Management API

2012-05-29 Thread Tobie Langel
On 5/17/12 11:02 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: Thanks for the feedback! For context for others, I assume they are comments for the draft pushed at: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/quota/Overview.html I'm super excited to see an API for this is in the works. It's been a much wanted

Re: [DOM3 Events/DOM4] re-dispatching trusted events with initEvent

2012-04-24 Thread Tobie Langel
On 4/24/12 9:54 PM, Travis Leithead travis.leith...@microsoft.com wrote: Glenn, isTrusted is the indicator that helps the web developer distinguish between an event fired by the UA, or one fired by JavaScript (e.g., dispatchEvent). From: Glenn Maynard [mailto:gl...@zewt.org] What's the

Re: [DOM3 Events/DOM4] re-dispatching trusted events with initEvent

2012-04-24 Thread Tobie Langel
On 4/24/12 10:00 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Travis Leithead travis.leith...@microsoft.com wrote: Glenn, isTrusted is the indicator that helps the web developer distinguish between an event fired by the UA, or one fired by JavaScript (e.g.,

Re: [DOM3 Events/DOM4] re-dispatching trusted events with initEvent

2012-04-24 Thread Tobie Langel
On 4/24/12 11:04 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 4/24/12 5:02 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Oh, and that's before we get into default actions implemented by extensions. And one more thing: extensions _definitely_ want to know whether events are trusted or not. This doesn't necessitate

Re: Draft report for offline apps workshop

2012-04-10 Thread Tobie Langel
On 4/7/12 1:42 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: I kinda' recall there was a proposal in the HTML WG to move the app cache functionality to a separate spec. Does anyone know the status of that proposal? I don't know what the status is, but we'd be highly supportive of such a split.

Re: publish Candidate Recommendation of Web Workers; deadline April 11

2012-04-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On 4/4/12 5:37 PM, SULLIVAN, BRYAN L bs3...@att.com wrote: I support the publication as a CR. +1

Re: publish Candidate Recommendation of HTML5 Web Messaging; deadline April 11

2012-04-04 Thread Tobie Langel
On 4/4/12 5:37 PM, SULLIVAN, BRYAN L bs3...@att.com wrote: I support the publication as a CR. +1

Re: Regarding app notification and wake up

2012-03-19 Thread Tobie Langel
I second Bryan's request. Having apps that need to monitor remote events each spawn a (shared)worker to do so could drain a phone's battery very quickly. There needs to be a system-level way to do this. --tobie On 3/12/12 11:47 PM, SULLIVAN, BRYAN L bs3...@att.com wrote: Karl, excellent

Re: CfC Re: Charter addition proposal: screen orientation lock

2012-02-15 Thread Tobie Langel
In the Screen Orientation API draft, I don't see any references to locking. Is this by design? It's in the abstract: The Screen Orientation API's goal is to provide an interface for web applications to be able to read the screen orientation state, to be informed when this state changes and to be

Re: CfC: Proposal to add web packaging / asset compression

2012-02-15 Thread Tobie Langel
I'm not particularly set on one direction to solve this problem. I just want to get it solved, and if SPDY, along with a much improved programmatically controllable appCache is the preferred solution, let's go for it. I, along with probably plenty of other web developers, am still inexperienced

Re: Numeric constants vs enumerated strings

2012-02-15 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:57:00 +0100, Harald Alvestrand har...@alvestrand.no wrote: *This is a call for help from the WEBRTC working group. We are defining a new API (http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/webrtc.html) about:blankwhich has a number of cases where it needs to use arguments, or

Re: Enabling a Web app to override auto rotation?

2012-02-10 Thread Tobie Langel
endorsing my opinion, I'm happy to use its products. On 2/8/12, Tobie Langel to...@fb.com wrote: The general use case is any UI that's been designed exclusively for portrait or landscape mode because displaying it in the other mode either doesn't make any sense (e.g. most platform games

Re: Enabling a Web app to override auto rotation?

2012-02-10 Thread Tobie Langel
* method for addressing it across all applications, native, web, and web written by other people who decide to put buttons and widgets in places the user won't expect. Disclaimer: while my employer isn't endorsing my opinion, I'm happy to use its products. On 2/8/12, Tobie Langel to...@fb.com wrote

Re: Installing web apps

2012-02-09 Thread Tobie Langel
On 2/9/12 1:21 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Adrienne Porter Felt wrote: I agree that the current UI is not great. However, I disagree about everyone clicking through permission grants. I've done two user studies and found that about

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