PE version is a robust, monolithic turnkey install. They used to have a
community based test VM pair which had much lighter requirements (albeit
with less services) but I haven't checked in a long time so it may not be
available any longer.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 3:32:52 PM UTC-7, Vince
why not let puppet manage puppet.conf and thus changes in foreman make
changes to puppet.conf?
On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 1:04:22 AM UTC-7, Evgeniy Troitskiy wrote:
Hello all!
I have a directory environments configured in Puppet (production and
development) and I use the Foreman as an
Testing for errors is part of the erb game. Comment all of that out and put
in just %= serveraliases -% just to see what is written to the file.
In your case above, it seems you have accounted for whether serveraliases
is an array or empty but not a simple string which is probably what it is.
Not really a puppet question or a puppet answer
man alias (bash command)
You should be able to alias the command and put into bash_profile for all
users when they login.
On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:28:09 AM UTC-7, guymatz wrote:
Is there any way to get facter to return facts from
The answer may actually depend on the OS you are using but I agree with
John that this actually requires 2 separate directives...
On a Red Hat system...
# cat /etc/default/useradd
# useradd defaults file
GROUP=100
HOME=/home
INACTIVE=-1
EXPIRE=
SHELL=/bin/bash
SKEL=/etc/skel
I tend to create a directory with a minimal class /etc/puppet/deployfiles
and then another class for custom apt stuff and I have a file in
modules/apt/files where cron does a date thingy (/bin/date
/etc/puppet/modules/apt/files/apt_update_time) and then I have this module
watch for a change
getting very frustrated and have covered the 7 or so pages on puppet's
documentation on hiera several times.
# cat hiera.yaml
---
:backends:
- yaml
:hierarchy:
- defaults
- %{clientcert}
- %{environment}
- global
- common
- ldap
:yaml:
:datadir: /etc/puppetlabs/puppet/hieradata
awesome - thanks
On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:55:51 AM UTC-7, Ramin K wrote:
On 11/19/14 10:42 AM, Craig White wrote:
getting very frustrated and have covered the 7 or so pages on puppet's
documentation on hiera several times.
# cat hiera.yaml
---
:backends:
- yaml
://www.craigdunn.org/2012/05/239/
One of the ideas here is that you should never need to change a module you
download from the forge (with some rare exceptions)
Regards,
Steven
On Monday, November 17, 2014 11:40:28 PM UTC+1, Craig White wrote:
Not that it matters, but I am trying to use
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:27:20 AM UTC-7, jcbollinger wrote:
On Monday, November 17, 2014 4:40:28 PM UTC-6, Craig White wrote:
The last file - wl.pp is my own file and it looks like this...
$ensure= present
$directory = '/var/lib/ldap'
$rootdn= 'cn=admin,dc=wl,dc=com
, 2014 4:50:33 PM UTC+1, Craig White wrote:
It seems that node inheritance is deprecated in Puppet 4 so this is a no
go (role/profiles).
I suppose I should have mentioned that I will be using an ENC so I am
trying to keep the cruft inside node definitions to a minimum which is why
I am
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:18:33 AM UTC-7, Steven Post wrote:
If you use hiera and puppet 3 (or later), you can use the automatic class
parameters for that, and just 'include openldap::server::database'.
Of cause you can set up some class parameters on your own class if you
want to
, jcbollinger wrote:
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:09:32 AM UTC-6, Craig White wrote:
OK - but I still need to figure out how to call one class with parameters
from another class...
class wl::config { :
class openldap::server::database { $dn:
ensure = present,
rootdn = cn=admin
Not that it matters, but I am trying to use a module out of puppet forge -
camptocamp-openldap
https://github.com/camptocamp/puppet-openldap
There's no hint of using it anywhere
It has an unusual style. There isn't any init.pp and the structure looks
like this...
├── client
│ ├── config.pp
/14/2014 11:17 PM, Craig White wrote:
I am trying to figure out if parameterized variables can be displayed
when hovering over the appropriate section in an ENC. At the moment, I
am playing with PE 3.3 with it's console/dashboard and my previous
experience was with puppet 2.6.x
It would seem to me that I would not eagerly use another gem to obtain
information from a file when ruby has File and vast string compare options
but the choice is yours. Then there are tools like augeas (sp?).
Gems can be managed as a package using the gem provider so it's fairly easy
to get
did you make some changes because of Poodle? state=SSLv3
as for Firefox - probably just need to go into Firefox preferences and
delete the certificate that you stored already but it does seem strange
that you have 2 certificates with the same serial #
On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:28:39 AM
/opt/puppet/bin*
*./ruby -v*
*ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [x86_64-linux]*
let me know how to troubleshoot this issue.
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:54:04 PM UTC-4, Craig White wrote:
how did you install puppet? Do you have more than one install of ruby on
your system
I am trying to figure out if parameterized variables can be displayed when
hovering over the appropriate section in an ENC. At the moment, I am
playing with PE 3.3 with it's console/dashboard and my previous experience
was with puppet 2.6.x and Foreman.
Simplified example, module resolv
#
I don't see a 'file_read' method for Factor::Util
Facter::Util.methods
= [:freeze, :===, :==, :=, :, :=, :, :=, :to_s, :included_modules,
:include?, :name, :ancestors, :instance_methods, :public_instance_methods,
:protected_instance_methods, :private_instance_methods, :constants,
:const_get,
I don't see a 'file_read' method for Factor::Util
Facter::Util.methods
= [:freeze, :===, :==, :=, :, :=, :, :=, :to_s, :included_modules,
:include?, :name, :ancestors, :instance_methods, :public_instance_methods,
:protected_instance_methods, :private_instance_methods, :constants,
:const_get,
wrote:
Hi Craig,
even if i do require facter. It is throwing me error.
*irb(main):002:0 require 'facter'*
*LoadError: no such file to load -- facter*
*from (irb):2:in `require'*
*from (irb):2*
*from :0*
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:22:26 PM UTC-4, Craig White
split is a string function
your ary is an array as you defined it
This will give you ruby functions for the Array class
http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.3/Array.html
Craig
On Friday, October 10, 2014 7:39:05 AM UTC-7, Spriya wrote:
Hi,
when i am trying to do puppet custom facts to split
) do
setcode do
#{numbers}
end
end
end
In the fact it is returning only 1 value. In the fact it is returning base
= 1 only not returning 2 3 4
Help me
On Friday, October 10, 2014 1:38:41 PM UTC-4, Craig White wrote:
split is a string function
your ary is an array as you
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On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Camerodity wrote:
Hello all,
I am currently trying to setup a Custom Fact that will can be used to
determine the version of the Java JRE running on a machine, in order to use
it in my manifests to ensure the proper JARS are distribured based on
On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Schofield wrote:
I am accepting the fact that the initial version of a module will not be
perfect and that it will be need to be updated in the future. I am looking
for ideas on how to manage the development life cycle of modules and to
control the roll out of
On Dec 6, 2012, at 3:17 AM, Anadi Misra wrote:
On the server
[root@bangvmpllDA02 logs]# ruby -v
ruby 1.8.7 (2011-06-30 patchlevel 352) [x86_64-linux]
[root@bangvmpllDA02 logs]# puppet --version
3.0.1
and
[root@bangvmpllDA02 logs]# service nginx configtest
nginx: the configuration
On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Kazor wrote:
I have declared in my puppet server my class lab , this class create one
archive in the agent but when i sync from agent throws error:
..
info: Applying configuration version '1354468151'
err: /Stage[main]/Lab/File[/root/date.txt]: Could not
On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Schofield wrote:
I am at the beginning of merging the traditional OS/Middleware update process
with application development release process. The goal is to be able to test
a complete versioned OS/Middleware/Application stack as it moves through
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On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Jakov Sosic wrote:
On 10/09/2012 05:26 PM, Craig White wrote:
If you install ruby from one source, you can't use rpm's from another source
and expect them to always work. Chances are that the libraries use to build
ruby
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On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Joe Topjian wrote:
if /etc/resolv.conf is a puppet maintained file, even if resolvconf package
is updated, it will be replaced by the puppet asserted file anyway.
Very true, but I would hate to have two services fighting with each other in
that way.
On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Sandra Schlichting wrote:
Hi all
I would like to install NIS, but how do I handle such a package which prompts
for user input, when apt-get install nis is done on Ubuntu?
figure out if nis packages support having an 'answer' file available to provide
the
On Aug 21, 2012, at 9:05 AM, lamour wrote:
I'm starting to feel like, maybe, I have a fundamentally flawed concept of
how puppet is intended to be used. (new to puppet. setting up initial
puppet environment. blah blah)
so, I've got most of the pieces worked out, but I've hit a major
On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Hai Tao wrote:
Hi,
As the only paramater we can pass to the ENC is the hostname, I wonder
if there is a way to access a node's fact in the ENC script?
I know a workaround is to query my Fact database ( I am using Mysql),
but I like to know if I can use a
On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Yaniv Fine wrote:
Hi all .
i am running puppet version 2.6.16 and foreman Version 0.4.2 .
my question is as follows .
i would like to know if there is a way to tag server with a group tagging .
for example .
let say i am running apache with a unique
On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:42 PM, jcbollinger wrote:
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I've been trying to wrap my head around ENCs.
Kelsey Hightower gave me some very useful info in IRC the other day, but
there are still some things I can't quite
On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:14 PM, llow...@oreillyauto.com wrote:
I'm trying to install dashboard.
I'm using:
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (32bit),
Puppet 2.7.17.
ruby 1.8.7 (2011-06-30 patchlevel 352) [i686-linux]
rubygems 1.8.15
When I run the db:migrate task, I get the following:
On Jul 10, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Hai Tao wrote:
Hi,
My puppetmaster is running through apache, and now I am setting up
dashboard to be run by apache too.
I followed docs in
http://docs.puppetlabs.com/dashboard/manual/1.2/bootstrapping.html#starting-and-managing-delayed-job-workers,
but
On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Dan White wrote:
OK. What did I booger up this time ?
agent.myexample.org and puppetmaster.myexample.org are the same server.
# puppetd --no-daemonize --onetime --debug --noop
On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Dan White wrote:
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the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.”
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On Jun 26, 2012, at 11
On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Mike Reed wrote:
Hello all,
I fairly new to puppet and google groups so I'll apologize in advance for not
conforming to normal posting methods.
I've recently installed puppetmaster on a fresh copy of Ubuntu 10.04LTS and
after running: sudo puppet
as a 'one-shot'
configuration setup which doesn't actually maintain the configuration files
once they are dropped into place). I never have had an issue with interactive
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On May 10, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Miles Monteleone wrote:
I'm having some issues applying a default set of modules to all of my nodes
managed by Foreman. I have around 20 nodes split among 4 environments. I have
a node {default...} stanza in site.pp, but due to the way puppet handles
ENCs,
On May 8, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Sans wrote:
aahh... that's what I was wondering.
So, does it also mean there is no need for reports, reportdir and reporturl
in the puppet.conf as well? Cheers!!
On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:01:02 PM UTC+1, Walter Heck wrote:
don't start the
On May 3, 2012, at 6:09 AM, jcbollinger wrote:
On May 2, 6:10 pm, Craig White craig.wh...@ttiltd.com wrote:
for reasons probably not important to the discussion, I am trying to
transition my Ubuntu setups from using libnss-ldap / libpam-ldap over to the
libnss-ldapd / libpam-ldapd
On May 3, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Craig White wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 6:09 AM, jcbollinger wrote:
Very likely you are missing something. Puppet should not even be
reading both the configure.pp files unless the classes therein are
both assigned to your node, directly or indirectly. Since you
to have to do all of the package
management within a single module unless I am missing something.
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On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:56 PM, JA wrote:
Hi Everyone;
I want puppet to be installed in /app/puppet instead of the default /etc.
I cannot figure out how to get the puppetmasterd to look for the
config file (puppet.conf) in /app/puppet instead of /etc/puppet.
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On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:36 PM, thinkwell wrote:
Hello everyone,
I'm trying to setup a Puppetmaster on a Centos 5.4 box, following
James Turnbull's Pro Puppet book. Everything's working fine, until I
get to the part about running Passenger, which I'll need to do.
However, to install rake,
On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:24 AM, Emilien wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to set up the following environment:
Ldap containing
users as posixaccount (uid, home directory, and an attribute
containing their ssh public key).
machines with an attribute indicating which users or user groups are
On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Thomas Rasmussen wrote:
Thanks for the replies, I can see that there is no easy setup to allow what
I'm looking for :-( I will be looking a bit more on the External Node
Classifier to see if this will solve my problem.
We will be using puppet to fully
On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:51 AM, chris_sny...@sra.com wrote:
Crap. I'm trying to dump Bcfg2 and move to something reasonable. But so
far, all my initial assumptions and patterns for Puppet fail. I think in
terms of heirarchy and inheritence for my systems (all nodes install a core
set of
On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Russell Van Tassell wrote:
The gem includes everything you will need... the (basic) difference is simply
running puppet agent versus puppet master -- some packages just hide the
simplicity (probably a legacy thing?).
Note: I do not believe things like the
On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:43 PM, rjl wrote:
Thanks Michael,
I have a working environment using ruby 1.8.5 (The Centos 5 default).
However, I want to change my puppet framework to be database driven. For
that, I would like to use rails activerecord. Now the problem is that rails
is not
wondering if there isn't a better way.
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On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Shirley wrote:
Hello,
As the subject described, I tried to retrieve a file from linux master
to windows agent with the init.pp below :
class test {
file { “C:/ProgramData/testfile.txt”:
ensure = present,
mode = 0644,
owner = test,
group =
On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:52 AM, paulS wrote:
Hi all. New puppet developer. Very excited. I have the agents
communicating with the puppet master.
I'm wondering now about best practice for file and user permissions on
the puppet master. Most of my wonder probably stems from general lack
of
On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:46 AM, paulS wrote:
(By the way, I should have referred to myself as a new Puppet _user_.
I certainly didn't mean to imply that I'm a developer of Puppet open
source software. I'm obviously not up to that challenge.)
Thanks a lot, Craig.
I'm using Webrick now, and
On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:59 PM, paulS wrote:
This is a heads up. I didn't see this particular root cause to the
'connection refused' error upon google search, so thought I'd pass it
on. I tried to make a bug report, but couldn't figure out how to do
that. I may not have permission. Arguably
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On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:40 AM, rjl wrote:
Thanks everyone. Seems like having an older version of Master causes
this problem but I do not have an older version. My clients and Master
are both 2.7.10.
I'm thinking that perhaps you have more than 1 version of ruby/puppet installed
on the
On Feb 7, 2012, at 1:46 PM, weloki wrote:
I need to both build some new servers and rebuild some existing ones
keeping in mind I want to use Puppet. The question is which is the
best sequence to proceed with?
A) Develop modules one by one and make sure each component works, then
assemble
On Feb 7, 2012, at 2:13 PM, jimbob palmer wrote:
2012/2/7 Jan Ivar Beddari jan.ivar.bedd...@uib.no:
On 02/07/2012 03:54 PM, jimbob palmer wrote:
# The right way
class foo::specific {
include 'foo::common'
# specific stuff
}
So can I be sure that the include will run first,
On Feb 6, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Clay B. wrote:
I have found that using Puppet 2.6.2 on my master and running Puppet 2.6.12
on my clients seems to have resolved this issue, while 2.7 was failing.
Perhaps Puppet defined resources have different semantics in 2.7?
I can't answer that but
On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Juri Rischel Jensen wrote:
I've been playing a bit with the puppet node install command, and I
was wondering if I should change to using puppet installed as a gem
instead of deb/rpm/whatever? That would allow me to use the very
latest puppet versions, without
On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Brian Wong wrote:
I have been reading about the LDAP ENC at the wiki
http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/LDAP_Nodes.
I am considering using the LDAP ENC, but I have a couple of concerns
when it comes to the implementation.
- It seems that the
but I can clearly see the 'hostgroup' parameters are
attached to the host's yaml file in /var/lib/puppet/yaml/foreman
and just in case, I have tried changing the 'hostgroup' top scope to $hostgroup
and $::hostgroup to no avail.
What am I missing or how can I troubleshoot this?
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On Dec 30, 2011, at 3:31 AM, Juan-Francisco Diez wrote:
Thank to all. We try to put the server in the newest version. But with ruby
in CentOS it's a bit more complicated because the new version is not packaged
in the 5.x version.
I think you will find it much easier to remove any
On Dec 30, 2011, at 3:36 AM, Russell Van Tassell wrote:
You can use RVM, or getting a ruby 1.8.7 build/rpm shouldn't be that
difficult (I will have to look at our source, tomorrow, but we store a
similar thing in our own local EL repo, pretty much for puppet and one or two
other things
On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Dan White wrote:
Consider downgrading the CentOS 6 clients.
Might be an easier solution.
probably not the best idea. his server is 2.7.1 and there's been a lot of bug
fixes between 2.7.1 and 2.7.9 thus bringing his server up to speed makes more
sense long
On Dec 20, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Swampcritter wrote:
We are developing in-house RHEL VM provisioning (similar to Satellite/
Spacewalk) along with a customized kickstart template, but also
including Puppet to handle the actual configuration of the
environment. One thing we need to see is does
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On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Peter Berghold wrote:
Here is a module layout:
tomcat
|-- facter
|-- files
| `-- cleanTomcatLogs.pl
|-- lib
| `-- puppet
| |-- parser
| |-- provider
| `-- type
|-- manifests
| |-- classes
| |-- defines
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On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Peter Berghold wrote:
... to invoke a template from multiple modules? Here is what I mean:
I have a module called postfix which handles the installation and base
configuration of the postfix MTA. I have another module called
spamassassin which deals with the
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On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Corey Osman wrote:
Hi,
I just reinstalled puppet to version 2.6.12 to patch the security bug. Now
all of my RHEL4 clients are getting this error:
Puppet master is running 2.7.6
Clients are running 2.6.12
puppet-agent[11444]: Starting Puppet client version
On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Raymond wrote:
I have installed and configured the puppet client nodes to use LDAP to
authenicate users.
LDAP connection is OK and user can be authenicated via LDAP.
I use nscd and with my ldap config setting specify on /etc/ldap.conf
However, puppet is not
On Nov 4, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Arenstar wrote:
Simply put..
I need the reverse of an ipaddress for a in-addr.arpa..
Puppet has a function i can find that will simply execute ruby code,
nor bash..
$ipaddress comes from facter
$reversenetwork = $ipaddress.split('.')[0,3].reverse.join('.')
(b64_zlib_yaml)
debug: report supports formats: b64_zlib_yaml marshal raw yaml; using
b64_zlib_yaml
Anyone stumble into this before? Fix?
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DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
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support for http method POST
warning: Not using cache on failed catalog
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the
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Personally, I've had better luck letting gem managed its own gems, rather
than depending on Yum repositories (specifically on CentOS).
I'd take a list of the Ruby gems
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Boskey wrote:
Hi,
I am having trouble getting puppet to find a class thats defined in
one of the modules.I have a module/folder called 'webserver' in /etc/
puppet/modules/, which has a init.pp file with the below content
class webserver{
file {'test.txt':
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On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Deven Phillips wrote:
Hello all,
I have been searching through the list archives, but I have yet to find
an answer to my question. The problem I am having is this:
1. I have been using puppet without environments for some time now and it
works
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On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Ohad Levy wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Craig White craig.wh...@ttiltd.com wrote:
that always seems to redirect me to 'login' (even though I am passing the -u
username:password)
I'm guessing you have ssl redirection turned on and you are using http
On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Philip Durbin wrote:
There's a wonderful tool called perltidy that can clean up Perl
scripts, enforcing certain style guidelines by default but allowing
lots of customization.
Does Puppet have a tool like perltidy to enforce a certain style in
Puppet manifests?
On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:38 PM, CZACHOR, KRISTOPHER wrote:
Hi all,
I’m trying to wrap my brain around this one and could use a little
help/guidance. I have need to deploy software based on the network a system
is in.
Has anyone had need or been able to do the following?:
(Pseudo
On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Matthias Pigulla wrote:
Hi all,
I have repeatedly encountered the problem that I would like Puppet to install
a particular piece of software, for example git, and then use a provider like
https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppet-vcsrepo to check out a repository.
On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Evan Stachowiak wrote:
Hi,
I'm attempting to distribute a known host ssh key (for github) to an
Ubuntu 10.04 host. Puppet is distributing the key into /etc/ssh/
ssh_known_hosts as:
github.com ssh-rsa [really long ssh-rsa key]
However, Ubuntu seems to
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