Re: [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 3.0 final

2008-12-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On this page: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ The text "This is a proeuction release" should probably read "This is a production release". It would give a better first impression :) Fixe

[Python-3000] RELEASED Python 3.0 final

2008-12-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
nloadable distributions, see the Python 3.0 website: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBS

[Python-3000] Tomorrow's releases

2008-12-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I believe we are on track for releasing Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 tomorrow. There is just one release blocker for 3.0 left -- Guido needs to finish the What's New for 3.0. This is bug 2306. So that Martin can have something to work with when

Re: [Python-3000] Eliminating PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN

2008-11-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 23, 2008, at 6:16 PM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 06:29, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE

Re: [Python-3000] Eliminating PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN

2008-11-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 22, 2008, at 4:05 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I just noticed that the Python 3 C API still contains PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN. This macro was a transition mechanism, to allow extensions to use Py_ssize_t in PyArg_ParseTuple, while allowing other mod

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 19, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: Let's try this for 3.0rc4 then. The current release is rc2. Skipping rc3 would confuse people'-) Yeah, my calendar was wrong, but the PEP (and more importantly... code!) was right :). There is

[Python-3000] RELEASED Python 3.0rc3

2008-11-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSSbOhHEjvBPtnXfVAQLzBwP/dS2j4XhZMNdb28TG3ZblkSmlPS4IU20U Vvq85inUkJ6idwKZBqa6brrD1hbqrl4UjKZh4

Re: [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Martin, I'm keen on figuring out a way to reduce your workload, and also to coordinate releases better between us. I /think/ with timed releases I can tag a little early and give you something

Re: [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: From my point of view bi-monthly release are too much. For a ?.?.1 release two months are fine because several issues are found by 3rd party authors. But after that a release every quarter is suffi

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: Barry Warsaw schrieb: On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release

Re: [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Actually, I've wanted to do timed releases, though I think monthly is unrealistic. Maybe every two months is about the right time frame. Timed releases are nice be

Re: [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That

Re: [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:03 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: 2008/11/17 Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that

[Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that Python 2.6.1 should be ready on 03-Dec (well, if Python 3.0 is ready then!). I'm still planning the las

Re: [Python-3000] Status of the email package ? (or: email package and unicode)

2008-11-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 12, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: poplib, imaplib and nntplib are fixed in Python 3.0rc2, cool. I tested the smtplib module. It looks like .sendmail() requires an ASCII message (7 bits). I tried to use the email package to enco

Re: [Python-3000] None in Comparisons

2008-11-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:54 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-11-11 14:28, Antoine Pitrou wrote: M.-A. Lemburg egenix.com> writes: Why was the special case for None being "smaller" than all other objects in Python removed from Python 3.0 ? (see objec

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 3.0rc2

2008-11-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Victor Stinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Great job Barry and all contributors who fixed the "last" bugs ;-) Which reminds me that this release's star deve

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 3.0rc2

2008-11-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: Hi, Great job Barry and all contributors who fixed the "last" bugs ;-) Thanks! The document "What's new in Python 3.0" in should be updated: http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html

[Python-3000] RELEASED Python 3.0rc2

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
downloadable distributions, see the Python 3.0 website: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: But if that's not the case, wouldn't it make more sense to keep email out of the initial 3.0 release, rather than put a half-broken version in with special "we can totally change the API for the

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2008, at 1:04 AM, Glenn Linderman wrote: So I would hope that the users of such Betas would quickly discover that they were producing garbage, report it to M$, and go back to using a release version with only the usual expectation of b

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Glenn Linderman wrote: Even 8-bit binary can be translated into a sequence of Unicode codepoints with the same numeric value, for example. No, no, no, no. Using latin-1 to tunnel binary data throu

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: So here's a question (speaking as someone that has never had to go near the email module, and is unlikely to do so anytime soon): is this something that should hold up the release of Python 3.0? No

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: There need to be two (and I would say three is better) sets of APIs: byte-oriented for handling the wire protocol, Unicode-oriented for handling well-formed messages (both presentation and compo

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: This is an interesting perspective... "stuff em" does come to mind :) But I'm not at all clear on what you mean by a round-trip through the email module. Let me see... if you are creating an ema

[Python-3000] No 3.0rc2 tonight

2008-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There appears to be a bug in the documentation for 3.0. See issue 4266. http://bugs.python.org/issue4266 I'm sorry that I'm too tired to figure out what the basic problem is. I've made the issue a release blocker (the only one left for 3.0rc2),

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Andrew McNamara wrote: That's a tricker case, but I think it should use bytes internally. One of the early goals of email was that be able to cope with malformed MIME - this includes incorrectly encoded messages. So

[Python-3000] BDFL pronouncement needed on issue 4211

2008-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guido, Can you please make a BDFL pronouncement on issue 4211, specifically the backward compatibility and API break for __path__ this late in the game: http://bugs.python.org/issue4211 If you can decide in the next 3 hours we can get the patc

Re: [Python-3000] bug in idle on rc1

2008-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: That's why we are all waiting on barry for python 3.0rc2 :-) T minus 8h10m and counting... - -B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSRGyvXEjvBPtnXfVAQKHywP/TRRnd

Re: [Python-3000] email libraries: use byte or unicode strings?

2008-10-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 28, 2008, at 04:12 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >What about smtplib or smtpd? Yes, they should use bytes, as should the email package. The latter doesn't though, and it needs a lot of work (we tried and failed at pycon). - -Barry -BEGIN PGP

Re: [Python-3000] No rc2 tonight

2008-10-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:36 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: 1210 imaplib does not run under Python 3 3727 poplib module broken by str to unicode conversion - These both have patches that need review 3714 nntplib module broken by str to unicode conversion

[Python-3000] No rc2 tonight

2008-10-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was supposed to release 3.0rc2 last night, but events caught up with me. In going through the release blockers tonight, I do not think we are ready to release. Here are the issues that need addressing: Showstoppers: 3775 Update RELNOTES fil

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I won't be able to cut another release between the 15th and 5th, so at least that one should be 2 weeks. If we don't need the additional rc, then we can release early, which would p

Re: [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 rc 2 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 4 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final I've updated PEP 361 and the Google calendar with this schedule, except that the PEP says that rc3 and r

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05

Re: [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-No

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given

[Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be done, is this a reasonable schedule? Do we n

[Python-3000] Reminder: Python 2.6 final next Wednesday

2008-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is a reminder that Python 2.6 final is schedule for release next Wednesday, October 1st. Once again, I've gone through the release blocker issues and knocked anything that doesn't specifically affect 2.6 to deferred blocker. This leaves

[Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6rc2 and 3.0rc1

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
/download/releases/2.6/ and the Python 3.0 web site: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python

Re: [Python-3000] Updated release schedule for 2.6 and 3.0

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We had a lot of discussion recently about changing the release schedule and splitting Python 2.6 and 3.0. The

[Python-3000] Updated release schedule for 2.6 and 3.0

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We had a lot of discussion recently about changing the release schedule and splitting Python 2.6 and 3.0. There was general consensus that this was a good idea, in order to hit our October 1 deadline for Python 2.6 final at least. There is on

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Even if I can't contribute very much at the moment, I'm still +1 to that. I doubt Python would get nice publicity if we released a 3.0 but had to tell everyone, "but don't really use it yet, it may

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Guido van Rossum] Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't al

Re: [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str issu

Re: [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Perhaps it's time to separate the 2.6 and 3.0 release schedules? I don't care if the next version of OSX contains 3.0 or not -- but I do care about it having 2.6. I've talked with my contact at M

[Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't think there's any way we're going to make our October 1st goal. We have 8 open release critical bugs, and 18 deferred blockers. We do not have a beta3 Windows installer and I don't have high hopes for rectifying all of these problems i

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:04 AM, Paul Moore wrote: 2008/9/8 wesley chun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: the goal is admirable, but unless there are paying sponsors that require this deadline be met, i'd suggest that we can push the releases until they're ready. t

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: (I have a few minor ET fixes, and possibly a Unicode 5.1 patch, but have had absolutely no time to spend on that. is the window still open?) There are 8 open release

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the b

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-3000-checkins] r66218 - python/branches/py3k/RELNOTES

2008-09-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I'm a little confused -- why did you remove the releas

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-3000-checkins] r66218 - python/branches/py3k/RELNOTES

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I'm a little confused -- why did you remove the release notes for previous betas but leave those for the alphas in place? ISTM that the file was an accumulation of release notes throughout the vari

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 and the demise of bsddb3

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: * I will try to find another Python area of interest to me, to fully honor my commit privileges. BTW Jesus, if you want to maintain the code on python.org, we can create an area in the sandbox for you

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 and the demise of bsddb3

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I am still in favor of removing bsddb from Python 3.0. It depends on a 3rd party library of enormous complexity whose stability cannot always be taken for granted. Arguments about code ownership, r

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 and the demise of bsddb3

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: I'm a bit worried about you restoring bsddb and be pulled-off shortly again if I can't resolve any remaining issues in minutes :). But I would take the risk. Don't worry about that. Guido's decisio

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 and the demise of bsddb3

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Since rc1 did not go out last night, bsddb could be restored. I still don't think it should be, but at this point it's up to Guido to override, and I will abide by his decision. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Dar

Re: [Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry> Or did he commit Mark's patch from bug 3772? If so, that would Barry> count as a reviewed patch. The checkin message says issue 3726: Author: vinay.sajip Date: Wed Sep 3

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 and the demise of bsddb3

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 1:08 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: Frankly I don't see a big deal with not including it in *3.0* so long as a reference to where to download it as an add on (jcea's pybsddb site) is included in the release notes and PEP 3108. I've

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: (I'll be hanging around in #python-dev today and tomorrow, btw, ping me if I can help you) Me too, though I'm a bit busy at work. Ping my nick 'barry' if you need any RM-level decision. - -Ba

Re: [Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry> In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some regressions Barry> in the logging module. Vinay apparently checked in some changes to the logging module with no review. In

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:28 AM, Mark Hammond wrote: Barry writes: In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some regressions in the logging module. 3772 logging module fails with non-ascii data Which according to the IRC discussion doesn't a

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry] I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. Can I go ahead with some bug fixes and doc improvements or should I wait until after Friday? Doc fixes are fine. Please have bug fix patches re

[Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the bsddb removal on all platforms. Let me first thank Benjamin, Brett, Mark and Antoine for

Re: [Python-3000] bsddb finished for 2.6/3.0 (and ": str() on a bytes instance")

2008-09-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: and I know Brett agrees, so that's it. On IRC, I've just asked Benjamin to do the honors for 3.0 and Brett will add the deprecations for 2.6. I just committed the fix

Re: [Python-3000] bsddb finished for 2.6/3.0 (and ": str() on a bytes instance")

2008-09-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 3, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: Christian Heimes wrote: Jesus Cea wrote: I can't reproduce the issue in my local Python3.0 development version (here, all tests passes fine). Any suggestion?. Yeah, use my byte warning mode of Pytho

Re: [Python-3000] Still get rid of the stat module?

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: So my question is whether it is still worth trying to remove the module, or just leave it be.

[Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6b3 and 3.0b3

2008-08-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6/ and the Python 3.0 web site: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on

[Python-3000] Releasing beta 3's tonight

2008-08-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pending a resolution of bug 3611 (which has an attached patch that we're testing now), I plan on releasing 2.6 and 3.0 beta 3 tonight. Please do not make any commits to the trees unless you ask me first, until further notice. I am on #python-de

Re: [Python-3000] Beta 3 planned for this Wednesday

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1878class attribute cache failure (regression) - - Medium priority - - Guido, there are some design choice

[Python-3000] Hanging out on freenode IRC #python-dev

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I will be hanging out as much as possible over the next two days on the #python-dev channel on freenode IRC. If you have any last minute decisions you need, that will be the most immediate way to get in touch with me. Modulo work commitments,

Re: [Python-3000] Beta 3 planned for this Wednesday

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 4:45 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Barry, could you please take a look at http://bugs.python.org/issue2834 ? It's not marked as release blocker but if it doesn't integrate beta3 it will probably not make it at all into 3.0 (unless

[Python-3000] Beta 3 planned for this Wednesday

2008-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, I am going to try to release the last planned beta of 2.6 and 3.0 this Wednesday. Looking at the stable buildbots and showstopper bugs indicates some work to do between now and then. Here are the showstoppers, along with my recommend

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] parse_qs and parse_qsl functions

2008-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Facundo Batista ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> The issue 600362 has two patches (one for 2.6 and the other for 3.0) >> that are ready to commit (with a small

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] next beta

2008-08-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Ah darn, that's a typo in the PEP. I definitely meant August 13, as the Google calendar shows. Do we think we can be ready for beta3 this Wednesday? If not, I'd rather stick to

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] next beta

2008-08-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Barry Warsaw python.org> writes: I agree. Our last beta is scheduled for this wednesday Are you sure? According to http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-July/014269.html , i

Re: [Python-3000] state of Py3K trunk?

2008-08-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Bill Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm trying to run the regression suite on a checkout of the Py3K trunk DO you mean the trunk (which is 2.6), or the py3k

Re: [Python-3000] Last minute C API fixes

2008-08-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 7, 2008, at 5:09 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Is it too late for that ? That kind of depends on how far other 3rd party projects are in porting their extensions to Py3k, and how much they've bought into these APIs. I recall that mechanically tra

Re: [Python-3000] bsddb ownership, buffer protocol and 3.0

2008-07-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 19, 2008, at 4:00 AM, Jesus Cea wrote: I acknowledge that some people would like to remove bsddb from the standard lib, arguing it is a maintenance nightmare. I consider, then, that the right thing to do would be to (fully) delegate this code

[Python-3000] SVN IS OPEN

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The releases have been made, so both the 3.0 branch and the trunk (2.6) are now open for commits. Remember, there's only one more planned beta, and we /really/ want to try to hit the October 1st deadline. Let's do everything we can to stabiliz

[Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6b2 and 3.0b2

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: bsddb is in a very bad shape, as the 2.6 code hasn't been merged in

[Python-3000] NO CHECKINS - BETA 2 COMING

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please, no checkins on the 3.0 or 2.6 branches until further notice. We're a go with the releases tonight. Email is not the quickest way to get my attention. For that, use irc on freenode, #python-dev. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 17, 2008, at 09:57 AM, Steve Holden wrote: >Barry Warsaw wrote: >[...] >> >> I'll note that I plan to hold the beta3 releases until all release >> blocker and deferred blockers are resolved. >> >Ian

[Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We have green buildbots, yay! Thanks everyone for that. However, we still have three release blocker issues that I am not comfortable deferring. 3088 test_multiprocessing hangs intermittently on POSIX platforms 3375 _multiprocessing.so build pro

Re: [Python-3000] Bug 3139

2008-07-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I think it's definitely too short. Martin has outlined a clean solution to this but it's a lot of changes. Let's wait for beta 3. FWIW, I started writing code today. I couldn't complete it, eit

Re: [Python-3000] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: If there is anything you need a decision on, please follow up to this thread. I'm inundated with email so I can't watch every thread on the mailing lists. Or ping me on #python-dev.

Re: [Python-3000] Bug 3139

2008-07-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Barry Warsaw python.org> writes: But 3139 appears important enough to hold up beta 2. http://bugs.python.org/issue3139 bytearrays are not thread safe Can we get this fixed by tomorrow? D

[Python-3000] Bug 3139

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 But 3139 appears important enough to hold up beta 2. http://bugs.python.org/issue3139 bytearrays are not thread safe Can we get this fixed by tomorrow? Does anybody disagree that we should hold up the release for this one? We don't have much tim

Re: [Python-3000] commit access request

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 15, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: I can't give the privileges, Antoine, but I know that an SSH 2 public key is going to be needed (see the dev FAQ at http://www.python.org/dev/faq/ if you don't know how to generate one). They will als

Re: [Python-3000] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 15, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A reminder: the second betas of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are schedule for to

Re: [Python-3000] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I realized that the previous schedule really called for a release today 7/15 because I'm a bit busy tomorrow night. In any event, let's try to stick to doing it on 7/16. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQ

[Python-3000] Reminder: beta 2's schedule for tomorrow

2008-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A reminder: the second betas of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are schedule for tomorrow. I will try to hang out on #python-dev today and will start looking at the trackers and buildbots. Hopefully, we're on track to get the releases out! If there is an

Re: [Python-3000] wrong md5 checksum

2008-07-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 2, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Marcin ‘Qrczak’ Kowalczyk wrote: 2008/7/2 "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'm puzzled how this might have happened. Someone obviously did search & replace a5 -> b1, intended for Python version, but applied to m

Re: [Python-3000] [Fwd: Re: PEP 3101 str.format() equivalent of '%#o/x/X'?]

2008-07-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [Thanks Eric Smith for pinging me on this one - BAW] Original Message Subject: Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3101 str.format() equivalent of '%#o/ x/X'? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:14:18 -0700 From: Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

Re: [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: By the way, Barry, did you read the thread about regexps behaviour vis-à-vis bytes and unicode? Your advice was requested :-) See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-June/014247.html

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: Is a Google Ca

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 a

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Barry Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are two options. I could shift everything for

Re: [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I think we should put this one off. The previous betas were done on June 18, and IMO the next beta should be about a month afterwards, not 2 weeks. I will not be able to make releases the week

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