Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:30 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > On 09.10.2018 08:24, Donald Stufft wrote: >> On a specific category page, in the top right you can select a watch level >> for the whole category, the two relevant ones for you will be either >> “Watching” which will default all new

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 09.10.2018 08:24, Donald Stufft wrote: > On a specific category page, in the top right you can select a watch level > for the whole category, the two relevant ones for you will be either > “Watching” which will default all new topics in a category to watching or > “first post”, which won’t

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Thank you! I hadn't noticed this setting and it will be helpful. Regards Antoine. Le 09/10/2018 à 14:24, Donald Stufft a écrit : > On a specific category page, in the top right you can select a watch level > for the whole category, the two relevant ones for you will be either > “Watching”

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On a specific category page, in the top right you can select a watch level for the whole category, the two relevant ones for you will be either “Watching” which will default all new topics in a category to watching or “first post”, which won’t set them to watching, but will email you for *only*

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 09.10.2018 05:33, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > >> On 9 Oct 2018, at 03:29, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> >> FYI: I did sign up on Discourse and have enabled email notifications, >> but it seems that you have to do this on a per forum entry basis, >> since I have not received any notifications for

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

FYI: I did sign up on Discourse and have enabled email notifications, but it seems that you have to do this on a per forum entry basis, since I have not received any notifications for the newer entries (only ones for the ones which were already available at the time I subscribed). Is there a way

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

I saw some complains against Discourse (some people prefer emails, some people didn't the bad timing with discussions on the new governance, etc.), but I'm not sure about the conclusion. Where should we discuss governance PEPs? Since it was unclear to me, I posted me PEP 8015 to discuss.python.org

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Great, thank you! --Chris On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:44 AM Berker Peksağ wrote: > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:06 PM Chris Jerdonek > wrote: > > Hi Łukasz, I tried signing up three days ago, but it doesn't look like > I've been approved yet (e.g. I'm not listed in the members list). I notice >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:06 PM Chris Jerdonek wrote: > Hi Łukasz, I tried signing up three days ago, but it doesn't look like I've > been approved yet (e.g. I'm not listed in the members list). I notice some > other people have been approved during this time based on the group count. I > tried

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:47 PM Łukasz Langa wrote: > On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:55, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > > I hope this thread about transitioning is exempt from this call to action! > :) > > This e-mail is specifically re-posted on Discourse so you can discuss it > there, too :-) > Hi Łukasz, I

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Oct 1, 2018, at 8:18 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > >> On Sep 28, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Łukasz Langa > > wrote: >> >> Signed PGP part >> Hello committers, >> since this got pretty long, here's the tl;dr: >> >> - we're at the point where it is hard

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 28, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > Signed PGP part > Hello committers, > since this got pretty long, here's the tl;dr: > > - we're at the point where it is hard to make mailing lists work for us; > - we're switching to Discourse; it's better in many ways; > - go to

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 7:40 pm Łukasz Langa, wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 09:53, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily > impact the future of python-dev. > > > Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

I just wanted to add that while I was not involved in the Discourse discussions at the sprint (and didn't realise there were "discussions" going on), and while I would have been opposed to such a drastic change, my first impressions of discuss.python.org are good. Things that I have configured to

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 9/29/2018 4:51 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 29.09.18 03:45, Łukasz Langa пише: >> (To paraphrase) 'We' are switching committers-list to Discourse. Who is this 'we'? I don't remember any discussion, let alone a vote. On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: Do you use NNTP? Like

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Another way to think about this is if we wait until after our governance > discussions and try this experiment the volume quite possibly won't be at a > level to stress test how the interaction on Discourse works. And while I >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 08:31, Yury Selivanov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:16 AM Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > [..] > > Well, I could announce it, but nobody would pay any attention. Why > > should we pay attention to this announcement? No offense to Łukasz, but > > how did he get put in

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Let's say that Łukasz went a little overboard when he told everybody to abandon the mailing list right now, especially in the light of the upcoming elections (first we will vote to choose a constitution, then we'll vote according to the rules set by that constitution on the new leadership). That

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

El vie., 28 de sep. de 2018 a la(s) 18:45, Łukasz Langa (luk...@langa.pl) escribió: > We'll be enabling GitHub and social logins soon, ideally with adding > identified committers to the committers group by default. We are looking into > this right now. In the mean time, please request

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:16 AM Steven D'Aprano wrote: [..] > Well, I could announce it, but nobody would pay any attention. Why > should we pay attention to this announcement? No offense to Łukasz, but > how did he get put in charge of this? You could and everybody would pay attention. As for

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:03:59AM +0100, Paul Moore wrote: > I mentioned something similar on Discourse, but I'm going to add a > comment here. This sort of dismissal of the validity of other people's > long-established workflows is not very helpful. [snip] Thank you Paul. Discourse may or may

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 02:01:20PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > A couple of years ago http://news.individual.net/index.php (maintained > > by FU-Berlin (university)) worked well. > > Does it provide mailing-list mirrors? It's not obvious by the description. Ah yes, it only has

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Le 29/09/2018 à 13:55, Stefan Krah a écrit : > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:11:12PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On the more general idea of Discourse, I'm all for experimenting as I do >> agree with the advantages you mention. Like Serhiy I also like my Gmane >> workflow, but Gmane has worked

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:11:12PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On the more general idea of Discourse, I'm all for experimenting as I do > agree with the advantages you mention. Like Serhiy I also like my Gmane > workflow, but Gmane has worked less and less well recently, and admins > basically

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 29.09.2018 11:40, Łukasz Langa wrote: > >> On Sep 29, 2018, at 09:53, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily >> impact the future of python-dev. > > Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made us >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 12:06, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 12:02, Paul Moore wrote: > > > > Isn't that just a restart of the conversation that happened on this > > list not too long ago (prompted by a question from MAL, IIRC) but > > missing the context of that previous

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 12:02, Paul Moore wrote: > > Isn't that just a restart of the conversation that happened on this > list not too long ago (prompted by a question from MAL, IIRC) but > missing the context of that previous question, and with less > participants (so far)? Did you read it? I

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 11:44, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 11:24, Paul Moore wrote: > > Are committers *not* active in the past two > releases not considered? Your figures seem biased. (Was I part of that > 30? I committed some changes in the last 2 releases. Barely anything, >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Le 29/09/2018 à 12:44, Łukasz Langa a écrit : > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 11:24, Paul Moore > wrote: > >> Are committers *not* active in the past two >> releases not considered? Your figures seem biased. (Was I part of that >> 30? I committed some changes in the last 2

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 11:29, Donald Stufft wrote: > Discourse is perfectly searchable using Google in exactly the same way as > Mailman archives. Cool. > It also has built in search. Somewhat less relevant - I assumed that but "most people" won't use that, they'll use Google. Paul

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 11:24, Paul Moore wrote: > > Are committers *not* active in the past two > releases not considered? Your figures seem biased. (Was I part of that > 30? I committed some changes in the last 2 releases. Barely anything, > and I do *not* consider myself very active in terms

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:24 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > > But at least it was *possible*. Personally I do a Google search rather > than using my MUA, but the point is that while it's clumsy, it's known > technology. I don't even know how I'd find a link to an old message in > Discourse, but I

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 11:04, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:53 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > This is exactly the kind of arbitrary decision making by an insufficiently > > representative group that led to us banning making any binding decisions at > > language summits: their

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > >> On Sep 29, 2018, at 10:44, Stefan Krah wrote: >> >> Sorry if I misunderstand this, but is the plan to moderate *core developers* >> on python-committers? > > If you label it with an abstract term like this, it sounds like we just >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Le 29/09/2018 à 12:00, Łukasz Langa a écrit : > >> On Sep 29, 2018, at 10:44, Stefan Krah wrote: >> >> Sorry if I misunderstand this, but is the plan to moderate *core developers* >> on python-committers? > > If you label it with an abstract term like this, it sounds like we just > formed the

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 10:24, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:51 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > > 29.09.18 03:45, Łukasz Langa пише: > >>> > >>> On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > >> > >> Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 09:57, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 11:19 am Barry Warsaw, wrote: >> >> On Sep 28, 2018, at 17:45, Łukasz Langa wrote: >> >> > Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of core >> > developers on it. And no, there is no support

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:53 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > This is exactly the kind of arbitrary decision making by an insufficiently > representative group that led to us banning making any binding decisions at > language summits: their in-person nature means that they're inherently > exclusive

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 09:23, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 08:50, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > > I hope it does, since otherwise python-committers is not only moving > > to discourse, but also losing its functionality as forum for > > core developers. We'd just have another

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 10:44, Stefan Krah wrote: > > Sorry if I misunderstand this, but is the plan to moderate *core developers* > on python-committers? If you label it with an abstract term like this, it sounds like we just formed the Python Thought Police ;-) But think about the concrete

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:40:02AM +0100, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily > > impact the future of python-dev. > > Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made us > decide to move fast on this. Sorry

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 09:53, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily > impact the future of python-dev. Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made us decide to move fast on this. Part of why we are in

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 06:53:58PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 11:19 am Barry Warsaw, wrote: > > I’m all for supporting the next generation of developers, but not > > necessarily at the expense of *decades* of established workflow for current > > developers. Moving to

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 11:19 am Barry Warsaw, wrote: > On Sep 28, 2018, at 17:45, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of > core developers on it. And no, there is no support for it in Discourse. > > > > We could probably figure something

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

29.09.18 03:45, Łukasz Langa пише: On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of core developers on it. And no, there is no support for it in Discourse. Yes, I do. I read all Python-related mailing list via the Gmane

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 08:50, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > I hope it does, since otherwise python-committers is not only moving > to discourse, but also losing its functionality as forum for > core developers. We'd just have another python-dev or python-ideas > forum. I assume it's the faulty

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Log into your account, go into preferences, enable Mailing List Mode. > On Sep 29, 2018, at 3:51 AM, Robert Collins wrote: > > +1 > > If someone can tell me how to configure discourse to work like a > mailing list; specifically: > > - email me messsages rather than 'X new messages"

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

+1 If someone can tell me how to configure discourse to work like a mailing list; specifically: - email me messsages rather than 'X new messages" nuisance-mails - work sanely with replies-from-mail then I'm certainly happy to adapt. -Rob On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 13:19, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 29.09.2018 03:21, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 28, 2018, at 15:03, Victor Stinner wrote: > >> It seems like anyone can subscribe. Is the Committer group reserved to >> core developers? If yes, how do you know which accounts are linked to >> core developers? > > You must be approved to join

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

As you already witnessed, yes it does. -- Best regards, Łukasz Langa > On Sep 29, 2018, at 02:21, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> On Sep 28, 2018, at 15:03, Victor Stinner wrote: >> >> It seems like anyone can subscribe. Is the Committer group reserved to >> core developers? If yes, how do you

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sep 28, 2018, at 15:03, Victor Stinner wrote: > It seems like anyone can subscribe. Is the Committer group reserved to > core developers? If yes, how do you know which accounts are linked to > core developers? You must be approved to join python-committers, but its archive is public for

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sep 28, 2018, at 17:45, Łukasz Langa wrote: > Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of core > developers on it. And no, there is no support for it in Discourse. > > We could probably figure something out with Gmane if there's interest. Yes, I use NNTP to read

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > > Does it support NNTP? Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of core developers on it. And no, there is no support for it in Discourse. We could probably figure something out with Gmane if there's interest.

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:55, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Łukasz Langa > wrote: > There is a user trust system where proven community members get more power in > time, for example to fix typos and move topics to a better category. > > Will

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote: > There is a user trust system where proven community members get more power > in time, for example to fix typos and move topics to a better category. > Will committers start out as "proven," or will we need to "re-prove" ourselves to gain

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:03 AM Victor Stinner wrote: > Oh, I just saw that Berker sent a message: > "Membership Request for @committers" > https://discuss.python.org/t/membership-request-for-committers/27/2 > > I don't see this message in any category. Is it a private message? If I understood

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:03, Victor Stinner wrote: > > Le ven. 28 sept. 2018 à 23:46, Łukasz Langa a écrit : >> - go to https://discuss.python.org/ and create your account there; > > It seems like anyone can subscribe. Yes. > Is the Committer group reserved to core developers? Yes, so far

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

29.09.18 00:45, Łukasz Langa пише: Hello committers, since this got pretty long, here's the tl;dr: - we're at the point where it is hard to make mailing lists work for us; - we're switching to Discourse; it's better in many ways; - go to https://discuss.python.org/ and create your account

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Le ven. 28 sept. 2018 à 23:46, Łukasz Langa a écrit : > - go to https://discuss.python.org/ and create your account there; It seems like anyone can subscribe. Is the Committer group reserved to core developers? If yes, how do you know which accounts are linked to core developers? Oh, I just saw

[python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Hello committers, since this got pretty long, here's the tl;dr: - we're at the point where it is hard to make mailing lists work for us; - we're switching to Discourse; it's better in many ways; - go to https://discuss.python.org/ and create your account there; -