[Python-Dev] Python development tools (Was: Goodbye)

2010-09-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Simply, situations like the above (Mark closing a bug just because nobody would answer his message on a short delay) have happened multiple times - despite people opposing, obviously -, I must say that the same

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:    Antoine Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively    Antoine contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place    Antoine to ask.  Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ... It would be

Re: [Python-Dev] os.path.normcase rationale?

2010-09-25 Thread Paul Moore
On 24 September 2010 23:43, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote: Hmm.  There is no need for the function on a case sensitive file system, because the name had better be spelled with matching case: that is, if it is spelled with non-matching case it is an attempt to reference a

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 03:45, schrieb Brett Cannon: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 13:04, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: So by opening and closing a bug 5 times within a week, the open and close counters both go up by 5? That would be stupid. No, as in a bug was re-opened last week and then closed

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Guess the only way to settle this is look at the code, but I don't care enough to bother. =) I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs at the end of the week than at the start -- is

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: More wiki and website maintainers needed! That's the consequence. You need to seek the reason why there are no maintainers or active members on pydotorg-www lists. I've expressed my thoughts earlier. On Fri, Sep

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 14:10, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Guess the only way to settle this is look at the code, but I don't care enough to bother. =) I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs

[Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi, I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in Python 3k or we are still doomed to a chain of hacks? My user story: I am currently debugging project, which consists of many modules in one package. Each module has tests or other useful stuff for debug in its main

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread David Stanek
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb anatoly techtonik: Hi, I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in Python 3k or we are still doomed to a chain of hacks? My user story: I am currently debugging project, which consists of many modules in one package. Each module

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb David Stanek: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, my vision that it should

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread Eric Smith
On 9/25/2010 9:15 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote: from ... import config from ..utils.qthelpers import translate, add_actions, create_action But this doesn't work, and I couldn't find any short user level explanation why it is not possible to make this work at least in Py3k without additional

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Éric Araujo writes: How about revamping the type/versions fields? Issue type () Feature request (blocked by moratorium: () yes () no) I think the information about blocked by moratorium is not something that users or devs will care about much. The users can be informed about the fact of

Re: [Python-Dev] os.path.normcase rationale?

2010-09-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Paul Moore writes: In fact, with userfs, I believe it's possible to do massively pathological things like having a filesystem which treats anagrams as the same file (foo is the same file as oof or ofo). (More realistically, MacOS does Unicode normalisation). Nitpick: Mac OS X doesn't do

Re: [Python-Dev] os.path.normcase rationale?

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:22:47 am Guido van Rossum wrote: I think that, like os.path.realpath(), it should not fail if the file does not exist. Maybe the API could be called os.path.unnormpath(), since it is in a

Re: [Python-Dev] r85000 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/test/test_trace.py

2010-09-25 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:04:23 +0200 (CEST) alexander.belopolsky python-check...@python.org wrote: Author: alexander.belopolsky Date: Sat Sep 25 00:04:22 2010 New Revision: 85000 Log: This should fix buildbot failure introduced by r84994 Can you also backport it to 2.7? Thanks Antoine.

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs at the end of the week than at the start -- is not obvious from the report. As of just now, the

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 18:53, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs at the end of the week than at the start -- is not

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Paul Boddie
Hello, I've been following this thread all week at work, but I thought it might be time to respond to the different remarks in a single response, given that I am involved in editing and maintaining the Wiki on python.org, and I had a strong enough opinion about such things to give a talk about

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Michael Foord
On 25/09/2010 20:12, Paul Boddie wrote: [snip...] Guido van Rossum wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Michael Foord fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk wrote: Wiki maintenance is discussed, along with other python.org maintenance topics, on the pydotorg-www mailing list:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Paul Boddie: Georg Brandl wrote: Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw barry at python.org wrote: I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir has shell access now so

[Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment: http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014r2=85013pathrev=85014 For that matter, if anybody wants to take a crack at updating Python 3's

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread R. David Murray
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:22:06 +0200, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 25.09.2010 14:10, schrieb Martin v. L=F6wis: The total numbers reported are really the totals. Also, the delta reported for the totals is the difference to the last report. The number reported with +/- for

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: Also, I gotta say that the wiki login process is awkward. MoinMoin supports OpenID, although I did find and report issues with Moin 1.9 in this regard. Something on my now-huge list of things to do

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333. --Guido On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:56 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: I have

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually turns more people away than any other registration/login process. So how do you like the

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I guess a better example would be old: open #1 #2 closed #3 new: open #1 closed #2 #3 #4 #5 which results in +2 for open (since #4 and #5 were opened) and +3 for closed (since #2, #4 and #5 were closed), however the total issue delta is +2. This is why I think these numbers

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 23:41, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I guess a better example would be old: open #1 #2 closed #3 new: open #1 closed #2 #3 #4 #5 which results in +2 for open (since #4 and #5 were opened) and +3 for closed (since #2, #4 and #5 were closed), however the total issue

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Also, it's a horrible bug report, if that's what it is. It's not a bug report, and I don't think it was meant to be one. It started with I wonder if, suggesting that it is really a request for help. What you read as a bug report was labeled user story, which I think is anatoly's way of saying

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 23:43, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing contributors immediately providing

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread skip
As we're now seeing, people don't feel that it's acceptable to publish the subscribers list, Michael To be fair, quite a few people said they thought it was fine / Michael a good thing. A couple (maybe 3?) said that as the list was Michael originally advertised with the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not). But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not). But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. Why -- they can be redirected easily.

Re: [Python-Dev] os.path.normcase rationale?

2010-09-25 Thread Greg Ewing
Paul Moore wrote: Windows has (I believe) user definable filesystems, too, but the OS has get me the real filename style calls, Does it really, though? The suggestions I've seen for doing this involve abusing the short/long filename translation machinery, and I'm not sure they're guaranteed

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl: Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not). But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-25 Thread Steve Holden
On 9/24/2010 10:50 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 00:42 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : I have often used searches on performance or resource usage to find what was needing a review or a patch. I think it would be a mistake to remove those two categories. That purpose

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment:  http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014r2=85013pathrev=85014

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
At 09:22 PM 9/25/2010 -0400, Jesse Noller wrote: It seems like it will end up different enough to be a different specification, closely related to the original, but different enough to trip up all the people maintaining current WSGI servers and apps. The only actual *change* to the spec is

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/25/2010 1:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:02:06 +0200 Georg Brandlg.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 25.09.2010 18:53, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit of statistic I

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333. With the exception of the bytes

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual