> Keywords are generally better than a restricted vocabulary for richness
> of content, but worse for finding the appropriate search term. You "pays
> yer money and takes yer chance".
I think you are unaware what a "roundup keyword" is, here.
> But without any smarts being applied to the problem
On 9/25/2010 5:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>> Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login
>> process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect
>> that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually
>> turns more people away than any other regis
Am 26.09.2010 03:45, schrieb P.J. Eby:
> I'm actually a bit surprised people are bringing this up now, since when
> I announced the plan to make these changes, I said that nothing would be
> changed that would break anything
I think people read this as "nothing would be changed, period."
However,
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM, P.J. Eby wrote:
> At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>
>> This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but
>> I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it
>> is just a set of textual corrections on
At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but
I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it
is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333.
With the exception of the bytes change
On 9/25/2010 1:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:02:06 +0200
Georg Brandl wrote:
Am 25.09.2010 18:53, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit
of statistic I feel is most inter
At 09:22 PM 9/25/2010 -0400, Jesse Noller wrote:
It seems like it will end up
different enough to be a different specification, closely related to
the original, but different enough to trip up all the people
maintaining current WSGI servers and apps.
The only actual *change* to the spec is mand
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, P.J. Eby wrote:
> I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is
> here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment:
>
> http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014&r2=85013&pathrev=85014
>
> For that matter,
On 9/24/2010 10:50 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 00:42 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit :
>>>
>>> I have often used searches on "performance" or "resource usage" to find
>>> what was needing a review or a patch. I think it would be a mistake to
>>> remove those two categories
Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl:
> Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>>> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
>>> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
>>
>> But that can't work: then off-site links into either
Paul Moore wrote:
Windows has (I believe) user definable filesystems, too, but the OS
has "get me the real filename" style calls,
Does it really, though? The suggestions I've seen for doing
this involve abusing the short/long filename translation
machinery, and I'm not sure they're guaranteed
Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
>> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
>
> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Why -- they can be redirected easi
> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Regards,
Martin
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>> As we're now seeing, people don't feel that it's acceptable to
>> publish the subscribers list,
Michael> To be fair, quite a few people said they thought it was fine /
Michael> a good thing. A couple (maybe 3?) said that as the list was
Michael> originally advertised with
Am 25.09.2010 23:43, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on
wiki.python.org
While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
contributors immedi
> Also, it's a horrible bug report, if that's what it is.
It's not a bug report, and I don't think it was meant to be
one. It started with "I wonder if", suggesting that it is
really a request for help.
What you read as a bug report was labeled "user story",
which I think is anatoly's way of sayi
Am 25.09.2010 23:41, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>
>> I guess a better example would be
>>
>> old:
>> open #1 #2
>> closed #3
>> new:
>> open #1
>> closed #2 #3 #4 #5
>>
>> which results in +2 for open (since #4 and #5 were opened) and +3 for closed
>> (since #2, #4 and #5 were closed), h
>>> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
>>> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
>>> my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
>>> contributors immediately providing instruments to work with Python
>>> wiki.
> I guess a better example would be
>
> old:
> open #1 #2
> closed #3
> new:
> open #1
> closed #2 #3 #4 #5
>
> which results in +2 for open (since #4 and #5 were opened) and +3 for closed
> (since #2, #4 and #5 were closed), however the total issue delta is +2. This
> is why I think th
> Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login
> process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect
> that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually
> turns more people away than any other registration/login process.
So how do you like the Op
This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but
I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it
is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333.
--Guido
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:56 PM, P.J. Eby wrote:
> I have only done the Python 3-sp
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Paul Boddie wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> Also, I gotta say that the wiki login process is awkward.
>
> MoinMoin supports OpenID, although I did find and report issues with Moin 1.9
> in this regard. Something on my now-huge list of things to do is to make M
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:22:06 +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
> Am 25.09.2010 14:10, schrieb "Martin v. L=F6wis":
> > The total numbers reported are really the totals. Also, the delta
> > reported for the totals is the difference to the last report.
>
> > The number reported with +/- for open/closed ar
I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the
diff is here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment:
http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014&r2=85013&pathrev=85014
For that matter, if anybody wants to take a crack at updating Python
3'
Am 25.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Paul Boddie:
> Georg Brandl wrote:
>> Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
>> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> >> I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems?
>> >> Radomir has shell access now so perhaps we c
On 25/09/2010 20:12, Paul Boddie wrote:
[snip...]
Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Michael Foord
wrote:
Wiki maintenance is discussed, along with other python.org maintenance
topics, on the pydotorg-www mailing list:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-
Hello,
I've been following this thread all week at work, but I thought it might be
time to respond to the different remarks in a single response, given that I
am involved in editing and maintaining the Wiki on python.org, and I had a
strong enough opinion about such things to give a talk about
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:02:06 +0200
Georg Brandl wrote:
> Am 25.09.2010 18:53, schrieb Terry Reedy:
> > On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> >
> >> I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit
> >> of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are l
Am 25.09.2010 18:53, schrieb Terry Reedy:
> On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
>
>> I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit
>> of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs
>> at the end of the week than at the start -- is not
On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit
of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs
at the end of the week than at the start -- is not obvious from the report.
As of just now, the defau
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:04:23 +0200 (CEST)
alexander.belopolsky wrote:
> Author: alexander.belopolsky
> Date: Sat Sep 25 00:04:22 2010
> New Revision: 85000
>
> Log:
> This should fix buildbot failure introduced by r84994
Can you also backport it to 2.7?
Thanks
Antoine.
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:22:47 am Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
>> I think that, like os.path.realpath(), it should not fail if the file
>> does not exist.
>>
>> Maybe the API could be called os.path.unnormpath(), since it is in a
>> sense the op
Paul Moore writes:
> In fact, with userfs, I believe it's possible to do massively
> pathological things like having a filesystem which treats anagrams
> as the same file (foo is the same file as oof or ofo). (More
> realistically, MacOS does Unicode normalisation).
Nitpick: Mac OS X doesn't
Éric Araujo writes:
> How about revamping the type/versions fields?
>
> Issue type () Feature request (blocked by moratorium: () yes () no)
I think the information about "blocked by moratorium" is not something
that users or devs will care about much. The users can be informed
about the fact
On 9/25/2010 9:15 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
from ... import config
from ..utils.qthelpers import translate, add_actions, create_action
But this doesn't work, and I couldn't find any short user level
explanation why it is
not possible to make this work at least in Py3k without additional magic
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb David Stanek:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik
> wrote:
>>
>> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
>> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
>> my vision that it should be instea
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in
> Python 3k or we are still doomed to a chain of hacks?
>
> My user story:
> I am currently debugging project, which consists of many modules in one
> package.
> Each m
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
> my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
> contributors immediately
Hi,
I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in
Python 3k or
we are still doomed to a chain of hacks?
My user story:
I am currently debugging project, which consists of many modules in one package.
Each module has tests or other useful stuff for debug in its main
sectio
Am 25.09.2010 14:10, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>>> Guess the only way to settle this is look at the code, but I don't
>>> care enough to bother. =)
>>
>> I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit
>> of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Michael Foord
wrote:
>
> More wiki and website maintainers needed!
That's the consequence. You need to seek the reason why there are no
maintainers or active members on pydotorg-www lists. I've expressed my
thoughts earlier.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Stev
>> Guess the only way to settle this is look at the code, but I don't
>> care enough to bother. =)
>
> I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit
> of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs
> at the end of the week than at the start
Am 25.09.2010 03:45, schrieb Brett Cannon:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 13:04, Georg Brandl wrote:
>> So by opening and closing a bug 5 times within a week, the "open" and
>> "close" counters both go up by 5? That would be stupid.
>
> No, as in a bug was re-opened last week and then closed again th
On 24 September 2010 23:43, Glenn Linderman wrote:
> Hmm. There is no need for the function on a case sensitive file system,
> because the name had better be spelled with matching case: that is, if it is
> spelled with non-matching case it is an attempt to reference a non-existent
> file (or at l
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>
>> Antoine> Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively
>> Antoine> contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place
>> Antoine> to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ...
>>
>> It would be nice
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