Re: [Python-Dev] BSDDB3 (was: Re: Buildbots for trunk are all red)

2008-03-04 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Jesus Cea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, it is my aim to keep bsddb in stdlib, providing a stable and featureful module. I think keeping bsddb development inside python svn is not appropiate. Currently (I could change idea), my approach will be keeping

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch for trunk test_winsound.py (fixes my buildbot)

2008-03-05 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Coghlan wrote: While the patches are appreciated, please submit them to the tracker at bugs.python.org rather than mailing them directly to this list. This comment doesn't apply to your recent posts - looks like

[Python-Dev] difference between diff string implementations

2008-03-15 Thread Neal Norwitz
This inconsistency goes back to 2.3 at least and probably to the initial unicode implementation. set(dir(u'')) - set(dir('')) ['isnumeric', 'isdecimal'] UserString contains these two methods even though 8-bit strings do not. I'm not sure what we should do for 2.6 or 3.0. My preference would

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0 buildbots all red

2008-03-16 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New sprint idea: getting all (inc. trunk) the buildbots green by Thursday. Anyone interested? I think the chance to achieve that is close to zero. Sounds like a challenge if ever I've heard one -- care to

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0 buildbots all red

2008-03-16 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Mark Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is possible, though considerable work. Probably the biggest win will be creating a mock for socket and using mock sockets

Re: [Python-Dev] enabling a configure option

2009-01-26 Thread Neal Norwitz
If you only care about this running on a single machine to get some coverage and don't care about all architectures, you can change Misc/build.sh to add the configure option. n On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de

Re: [Python-Dev] python breakpoint opcode

2009-01-29 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Dr Andrew Perella a...@eutechnyx.com wrote: Hi, I was thinking of adding a breakpoint opcode to python to enable less invasive debugging. I came across posts from 1999 by Vladimir Marangozov and Christian Tismer discussing this issue but the links to the

Re: [Python-Dev] Daily documentation builds

2009-02-10 Thread Neal Norwitz
I ran 2.6, 3.0, and 3.1 manually. 2.7 should get picked up on the next run. The problem is that regrtest.py -R hangs from time to time which caused the machine to run out of memory. Does anyone else have regrtest.py -R hang for them? Some tests were disabled to try to prevent the problem, but

Re: [Python-Dev] Daily documentation builds

2009-02-11 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:24 AM, A.M. Kuchling a...@amk.ca wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:16:48PM -0800, Neal Norwitz wrote: I ran 2.6, 3.0, and 3.1 manually. 2.7 should get picked up on the next run. The problem is that regrtest.py -R hangs from time to time which caused the machine

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding support to curses library

2009-02-24 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Heracles st...@integrityintegrators.net wrote: Hello, I am working on a patch to add to the _cursesmodule.c file of the Python core libraries.  I figured I would take on one of the implemented functions to try to get my feet wet contributing to the project.  

[Python-Dev] cleanup before 3.1 is released

2009-05-30 Thread Neal Norwitz
Has anyone run valgrind/purify and pychecker/pylint on the 3.1 code recently? Both sets of tools should be used before the final release so we can fix any obvious problems. n ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Change in priority fields

2008-03-17 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, Neal, and myself had a conversation and changed the priority fields in the tracker. You can click on 'priority' to see an explanation, but the new fields are: - release blocker - critical - high - normal

[Python-Dev] adding json to stdlib (was: Re: PEP 361: Python 2.6/3.0 release schedule)

2008-03-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:17 AM, John Millikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possible features for 2.6 New modules in the standard library: - JSON implementation Have there been any plans made for which one? All of the No. This was something I added as a nice to have for

Re: [Python-Dev] Change in priority fields

2008-03-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key goal here (well, mine in any case :-) is to manage developers, not to get releases out at all cost. Even though the release schedule is set in stone, I think we should send out a variety of reminders ahead

[Python-Dev] changing regrtest to handle import errors

2008-03-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
[changing to: and subject: ] On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:58 PM, neal.norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get this test to pass (UserList/UserDict no longer exist and caused a skip). I think the automatic skip on

Re: [Python-Dev] pre-checkin test suggestion for python repository

2008-03-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Gregory P. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tabs/spaces checker that is run before doing a svn ci on the python repository spits out an error message about which files have problems. Could someone please update this error message to say something to the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000: Special type for object attributes map keys

2008-03-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Henrik Vendelbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears to me that if you can make mapping mechanisms faster in Python you can make significant overall speed improvements. I also think the proposed concept could add flexibility to persistence formats and RMI

Re: [Python-Dev] PyErr_Warn or PyErr_WarnEx

2008-03-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that we're aggressively adding Py3k warnings to the trunk, I think it's a good time to get this straightened out. The docs [1] say PyErr_Warn is deprecated in favor of PyErr_WarnEx. However, I have seen both in

Re: [Python-Dev] First green Windows x64 buildbots!

2008-03-19 Thread Neal Norwitz
Great work Trent! You'll need to take a picture of Martin buying you the beer once you get the rest green. :-) n On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Trent Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've just experienced our first 2.6 green x64 Windows builds on the build slaves! Well, almost green.

Re: [Python-Dev] trunk buildbot status

2008-03-19 Thread Neal Norwitz
Unfortunately, I don't have ssh access from my hotel room. This means I won't be able to help much until I get home. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Trent Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick update on the status of the trunk buildbots: Failing: [x86 gentoo trunk (Neal Norwitz

Re: [Python-Dev] State of N-dimensional array interface

2008-03-23 Thread Neal Norwitz
Hi Mike. Travis is the best person to discuss the status of the buffer APIs. Cheers, n On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Mike Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the current state of the N-D Array Interface proposal (http://numpy.scipy.org/array_interface.shtml). Some work was done on

Re: [Python-Dev] Py3k and asyncore/asynchat

2008-03-25 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Giampaolo Rodola' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Feb, 16:36, Giampaolo Rodola' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'll try to take a look at all asyncore/chat reports and try to summarize them by splitting patches which solve bugs and patches which add

[Python-Dev] the release gods are angry at python

2008-03-26 Thread Neal Norwitz
The next releases of 2.6/3.0 are planned for April 2, just over a week from now. There is much work that needs to be done. The buildbots are in a pretty sad state and the gods are seeing too much red. http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/ http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/all/ See my

[Python-Dev] stable buildbots

2008-03-26 Thread Neal Norwitz
We need to get the tests for Python to be more stable so we can push out solid releases. In order to achieve this result, we need tests that are *100% reliable* and fail _only when there is a problem with Python_. While we aren't nearly as close to that goal as we need to be, we have to work

Re: [Python-Dev] stable buildbots

2008-03-26 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: 2008/3/26, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We need to get the tests for Python to be more stable so we can push

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] the release gods are angry at python

2008-03-27 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The next releases of 2.6/3.0 are planned for April 2, just over a week from now. There is much work that needs to be done. The buildbots are in a pretty sad state and the gods are seeing too much red.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] the release gods are angry at python

2008-03-28 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neal Anything that connects to a remote host is definitely flaky. Would it maybe help to set up a dedicated host (or virtual host) to serve as the sole target of all network tests? It would help, but not fix the problem. There

Re: [Python-Dev] No time for svn merge

2008-03-30 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you'd like, I can merge the rest. If you have the time to figure it all out, sure. I found that quite a tedious task, and had to

[Python-Dev] refleaks on trunk

2008-03-31 Thread Neal Norwitz
test_io is the only leaky test on trunk that I know of. I narrowed down the leaks to the code below. It's possible there are other leaks in test_io. n -- import sys, gc import _fileio, io class FileIO(_fileio._FileIO, io.RawIOBase): def close(self): io.RawIOBase.close(self) def

[Python-Dev] fixing tests on windows

2008-04-01 Thread Neal Norwitz
The Windows buildbots are still failing because some tests keep files opened. This causes subsequent tests which use the same file to fail. Here is a recent run which had a failure early on: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/x86%20XP-3%20trunk/builds/1209/step-test/0 I'm assuming the

Re: [Python-Dev] Annotations support in python

2008-04-03 Thread Neal Norwitz
The release schedule for 2.6/3.0 is http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ 3.0 will have the feature, 2.6 may or may not. n On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Heshan Suriyaarachchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need to work with annotations as it is said in [1]. Currently I am using

Re: [Python-Dev] osx x86 buildbot offer

2008-04-04 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Thomas Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can offer an OS X x86 machine to run a buildbot on. This is a physical machine, running OS X 10.5 Leopard. Thanks Thomas! Martin and I will coordinate with you off-list. n

Re: [Python-Dev] Reserving an arg space for Jython

2008-04-11 Thread Neal Norwitz
I was also going to suggest a platform independent option. I like -Xwhat-follows-is-impl-dependent. n On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IronPython already uses -X:OptionName for special IronPython only options so +1 for -X. -Original

Re: [Python-Dev] generated NEWS files

2008-04-11 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just tried it, and although it works, I get this output: svn: 'post-revprop-change' hook failed; no error output available Significant? It's the mailer.py hook failing. I'm not quite sure why it fails, and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.4.4/2.4.5 test_pty failure on Solaris 10

2008-04-14 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is old stuff, but... I want to update our Python 2.4 installation at work from 2.4.2 to 2.4.5 (the latest 2.4 source release). I get a test failure for test_pty, an extra ^M at the end of one line. I don't get a

Re: [Python-Dev] r62342 - python/branches/py3k/Objects/bytesobject.c

2008-04-14 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Christian Heimes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea! A 3to2 project is going to make backporting io.py and other new stuff less painful and much faster. For the io.py backport I spent most time on removing annotations and replacing with u. What needs to

Re: [Python-Dev] Next monthly sprint/bugfix day?

2008-04-14 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Trent Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there another online sprint/bugfix day in the pipeline? If not, can there be? ;-) Trent, I think you just volunteered to lead it. :-) We should either do it this weekend Apr 19-20 or wait until after the release.

Re: [Python-Dev] r62342 - python/branches/py3k/Objects/bytesobject.c

2008-04-21 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Stefan Behnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: Iteration with the dict methods (e.g., keys - iterkeys()), map/zip/filter returning iterator rather than list. That's only an optimisation, it's not functionally required. A list behaves like

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-04-24 Thread Neal Norwitz
[Michael working on cleaning up the unittest module] it seems like most of the good ideas have been captured already. I'll through two more (low priority) ideas out there. 1) Randomized test runner/option that runs tests in a random order (like regrtest.py -r, but for methods) 2) decorator to

Re: [Python-Dev] Interesting blog post by Ben Sussman-Collins

2008-06-12 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My colleague and SVN developer Ben Sussman-Collins occasionally blogs about the social side of (mostly open source) software development. He just posted a new one that struck a chord:

Re: [Python-Dev] Think a dead import finding script would be handy?

2008-08-17 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Georg Brandl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Cannon schrieb: After Christian mentioned how we could speed up interpreter start-up by removing some dead imports he found, I decided to write up

[Python-Dev] current problems that should be fixed before release (2.6)

2008-08-23 Thread Neal Norwitz
Below are the problems I found that have not been fixed at r65995 on trunk (2.6). There will be a separate mail for the 3.0 problems. I've done the following: * built in debug and opt mode (gcc 4.1.2) fixing the important warnings * run all the tests in both modes * run all the tests (except

Re: [Python-Dev] performance

2008-08-24 Thread Neal Norwitz
Thanks Antoine! On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neal Norwitz nnorwitz at gmail.com writes: Can someone (else) compare performance of 2.5, 2.6, and 3.0? Tests done on a 32-bit Linux installation on an Athlon 3600+ X2. Compiled with gcc in UCS2 mode

[Python-Dev] what version of bsddb to use/accept for 2.6/3.0

2008-08-24 Thread Neal Norwitz
Many buildbots are running bsddb 4.7, particularly the debian/ubuntu ones (4.7.25 which seems to be the latest). Some of them are crashing, others are not. The max version we support in both 2.6 and 3.0 is 4.7. Should we allow this version or should we use a lower maximum that is more likely to

Re: [Python-Dev] ?spurious? Timeout in BSDDB under MS Windows

2008-09-10 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Trent Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 05:55:13PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote: Trent, are you available to look at the ?spurious? timeout failures in bsddb replication code in the Windows buildbot?. Ten seconds timeout should be plenty enough.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] Python Regression Test Failures basics (1)

2008-09-14 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: test_epoll skipped -- kernel doesn't support epoll() ... test_ioctl skipped -- Unable to open /dev/tty

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of MS Windows CE port

2008-09-23 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings! I'm currently trying to assess the effort required for a CE port. I'm already aware of the project at http://pythonce.sourceforge.net, but I find it a waste of time to have two separate projects which then

Re: [Python-Dev] Doc nits question

2008-10-02 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Georg Brandl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse Noller schrieb: So, we just released and there are a few doc typo bugs being filed - my question is if all doc-fixes have to wait for 2.6.1/2.7 or if we can hotfix the 2.6 docs? I intend to set things up so that the

[Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread Neal Norwitz
Should we plan to put out a final 2.5 release? If so, should we continue to backport fixes (like Martin's removal of Alpha in setup.py)? My preference is that we do put out a final 2.5 that has all accumulated bug fixes. Then close the branch. That way if we put out a security release for 2.5,

Re: [Python-Dev] nonlocal keyword in 2.x?

2009-10-21 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Mike Krell mbk.li...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any possibility of backporting support for the nonlocal keyword into a  2.x release?  I see it's not in 2.6, but I don't know if that was an intentional design choice or due to a lack of demand / round tuits.  I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] thanks to everyone cleaning up the tests

2009-11-02 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: Just wanted to publicly thank everyone who has been causing all the checkins to fix and stabilize the test suite (I think it's mostly Antoine and Mark,

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the Buildbot fleet and related bugs

2009-11-08 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:53 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:    (2) issue 4970: consistent signal 32 error on the norwitz-x86 Gentoo        buildslave in 3.1 and 3.x.  This may be due to the box        

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of 2 years of Python fuzzing

2010-01-27 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote: Interaction with the Python developers == I open an issue for each bug found in CPython. I describe how to reproduce it and try to write a patch. I have learn to always

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of 2 years of Python fuzzing

2010-01-27 Thread Neal Norwitz
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Chris Bergstresser ch...@subtlety.com writes: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Neal Norwitz nnorw...@gmail.com writes: Who knows, someone might even write a book

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