Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Once again we are on the eternal debate about what makes one computer different than the other. It is the hardware or it is the OS? With an Intel system I can run a number of OS's; Windows, Linux, MacOS, BSD, etc. With an OS like Linux or BSD, I can run them on different CPU's; Intel, MIPS, ARM, Sparc, etc. The QL still harks back to the days when the OS and the hardware were very tied together. I'm a software guy, so me, the platform is the OS. To a hardware person, the platform might be the hardware. In these days of virtualization, it can all get a little confused. I see no purpose for these long arguments, other than to create traffic on the mailing list. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs...
At 00:57 13/02/2011 -0600, you wrote: I have been looking at my US QL, and noting many differences from UK keyboards. Keyoard differences batween nations are un the KEYROW table, one of my early machines was German, the '_' was much more conveniently placed so I changed that and several more mods to suit me. Incidently I made an add on for QEPlll to be able to blow 64k eproms, pagong 16k at a time. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Musers] OCD things we've done to our QLs...
At 22:04 12/02/2011 -0600, you wrote: I was never satisfied that I usually got 205-209 sectors out of a microdrive cartridge. I wanted more. I often received cartridges with anything from 190 to 222 good sectors! DANG! I wanted the extra 7K or storage. There were some longer loops around, I jad a few getting close to the max 256 sectors. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Plastic wrote: > It IS a logical fallacy if you consider an emulator that doesn't emulate > something pre-existing but does something original to still be an "emulator" > for the literal meaning of the word. Well, what else could you call a hybrid that emulates the CPU but nothing else? A "platform" perhaps? :-D (Mostly) kidding... > It's true that introducing new features in an emulator does introduce > greater hardships for people producing original hardware, as the first good > implementation usually becomes the predominant standard. Nah, I beg to differ here, too. A clean API can usually be implemented without much trouble both for native hardware and for emulators. On the contrary, most trouble usually starts when the API is designed to suite one particular hardware implementation, as for example was the case with the SMSQ/E sound system. It was a MAYOR pain to implement for QPC and took ages to get it to work without any clicking and other irritating sounds. > I hope everyone had a great and productive weekend. I did :) I made second place in a pool tournament, but I don't know if that counts as productive :-) Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > Plastic wrote: > > I think the point here is that emulators have to emulate something. If > > there's nothing innovative to emulate, even the emulator cannot move > forward > > - it can just go faster at the same old stuff. > > I think this is a logical fallacy here. Why should an emulator be > restricted to the things actual hardware can do? Emulators had TCP/IP > on QDOS for years now. *Of course* this is because it's magnitudes > easier to implement when the host OS already provides this > functionality, but that's hardly the emulator's fault. Should the > emulators have waited for the hardware platforms to first have TCP/IP? It IS a logical fallacy if you consider an emulator that doesn't emulate something pre-existing but does something original to still be an "emulator" for the literal meaning of the word. It's plain reality that emulators were a necessary response to a lack of progress in clock speeds and availability of the M68K architecture. It's true that introducing new features in an emulator does introduce greater hardships for people producing original hardware, as the first good implementation usually becomes the predominant standard. However, that is not the emulator's problem - it's just unfortunate that it is the hardware designer's problem to overcome when an emulator beats him to market and he has a choice of being compatible or 'true to the platform'. That's reality. > > Marcel, it is not my intent to "brush QPC aside." In fact, the opposite > is > > true. However, for the purposes of the initial survey, I am simply > finding > > out the proportions of people using paid vs free emulators vs original > > hardware and replacement hardware. > > Point taken. I still somewhat think simply including the 4 or 5 > emulators would already have given you a complete and detailed > overview of what people use, without the need for a second survey to > drill into the details... in any case, I didn't want this here to be > such a huge thing. Sorry. I decided not to because it's not that simple. There are emulators that run on only one OS, and emulators that exist in many versions across many OS (like uQLx). All emulators are not equal, but even the same emulator is not equal across version numbers (people sometimes do not upgrade) or operating systems (people sometimes do not upgrade) or hardware specifications (people sometimes do not upgrade, or choose to utilise older hardware) For this reason, I just wanted an indication of how the usage was split across platforms and host OS to give me perspective to write the right questions. The survey is well designed to find out what it is designed to find out - it isn't designed to find out everything - there's plenty of room for that in the Summer, Fall and Winter surveys ;) Let's see what this survey says, and discuss it and see how it informs us about the community and the assorted ecosystems interrelate - remembering always that at the end of the day, all the segments are - equally or unequally - dependent on each other. Think of it as peeking under the skirt instead of ripping all the clothes off ;) The early indications are that there's going to be some interesting surprises, and I have some very good questions forming in my mind already for the next survey. I hope everyone had a great and productive weekend. I did :) Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Plastic wrote: > I think the point here is that emulators have to emulate something. If > there's nothing innovative to emulate, even the emulator cannot move forward > - it can just go faster at the same old stuff. I think this is a logical fallacy here. Why should an emulator be restricted to the things actual hardware can do? Emulators had TCP/IP on QDOS for years now. *Of course* this is because it's magnitudes easier to implement when the host OS already provides this functionality, but that's hardly the emulator's fault. Should the emulators have waited for the hardware platforms to first have TCP/IP? > Marcel, it is not my intent to "brush QPC aside." In fact, the opposite is > true. However, for the purposes of the initial survey, I am simply finding > out the proportions of people using paid vs free emulators vs original > hardware and replacement hardware. Point taken. I still somewhat think simply including the 4 or 5 emulators would already have given you a complete and detailed overview of what people use, without the need for a second survey to drill into the details... in any case, I didn't want this here to be such a huge thing. Sorry. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Peter Graf wrote: >>> It is really really hard to make new QL hardware possible... I find >>> public statement that QL hardware "can not match" in features >>> somewhat depressing... >> >> It's not that it can't match it. It's that, at this time, it doesn't >> match it. > It depends on the definition again :-) I can hold my QL hardware in my > hand, tinker with it, extend it. If "I can hold it in my hands" is a feature for you, then, yes, QPC2 cannot provide this. I was however talking about speed, TCP/IP or the simple fact that I can use any damn LCD monitor I want. > QPC does not give me those features, so even now, QL hardware > clearly wins in terms of features for me. I grant you the thing about having clear interfaces et al. Could be seen as a feature, but mostly from a developer position really. I was however arguing from a user point of view. Still, I can appreciate your point. >> QemuLator is without a doubt a great product. But it mostly emulates >> other computers. Be it a standard QL, a Gold Card QL, more recently >> probably even an Aurora. And when it does that, it's a standard QL, >> a Gold Card QL... you get my drift. > Which is in my eyes not a weaker, but a stronger feature compared to > QPC. I can see why you see it this way, and I beg to differ, but I guess we can simply agree to disagree here ;) >> but this is the reason I call it a platform on its own. > I do not think your definition of a system platform would match the one > that's commonly used. If you want your own system platform, I'd say > define and fix your interfaces! I still can not follow you, but it's okay... You see the "platform" from the eyes of a hardware designer, which is fine. I see it from the eyes of a (QL) software developer, and in that sense QPC simply is a "platform" to reckon with. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > Peter Graf wrote: > > no offense intended at all, but are you not counting the now much faster > > PC hardware (which you didn't design) and the Windows features (which > > you didn't write, e.g. TCP/IP) as QPC achievements? > > So? Does this change the reality in any way? No. I'm inclined to agree with both of you here. The speed of QPC is not an "achievement" but it is an accomplishment of the platform - it runs on the fastest hardware available. > > It is really really hard to make new QL hardware possible... I find > > public statement that QL hardware "can not match" in features somewhat > > depressing... > > It's not that it can't match it. It's that, at this time, it doesn't > match it. I think the point here is that emulators have to emulate something. If there's nothing innovative to emulate, even the emulator cannot move forward - it can just go faster at the same old stuff. If there are to be new developments, they NEED to come from native hardware, then be emulated. Emulators introducing new features is a hurdle because it is then harder to implement that in original hardware in a practical and efficient way. My point was simply that brushing QPC > aside as "just an emulator" is wrong. Not more, not less. I have not > and will never argue against native hardware. Marcel, it is not my intent to "brush QPC aside." In fact, the opposite is true. However, for the purposes of the initial survey, I am simply finding out the proportions of people using paid vs free emulators vs original hardware and replacement hardware. Obviously emulation is far more popular and far more practical, and also obviously, QPC is the premiere emulator - nobody is questioning that or challenging QPC's position. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Hi Marcel, >> It is really really hard to make new QL hardware possible... I find >> public statement that QL hardware "can not match" in features >> somewhat depressing... > > It's not that it can't match it. It's that, at this time, it doesn't > match it. It depends on the definition again :-) I can hold my QL hardware in my hand, tinker with it, extend it. I can run the operating system of my choice and interest on it, change the OS and it still runs, because the interfaces are defined. QPC does not give me those features, so even now, QL hardware clearly wins in terms of features for me. > We probably just define "platform" differently. Certainly :-) > QemuLator is without a doubt a great product. But it mostly emulates > other computers. Be it a standard QL, a Gold Card QL, more recently > probably even an Aurora. And when it does that, it's a standard QL, > a Gold Card QL... you get my drift. Which is in my eyes not a weaker, but a stronger feature compared to QPC. Because there is at least _some_ definition which allows to change/write/run an operating system. QPC's definitions are all buried, secret, unfixed and therefore not offering what a system platform has to provide in common sense of computer business. > QPC is never any of those. QPC is QPC, and that's that. No dispute here... your baby, you define it :-) > In your eyes this might be a bad thing Not at all :-) > but this is the reason I call it a platform on its own. I do not think your definition of a system platform would match the one that's commonly used. If you want your own system platform, I'd say define and fix your interfaces! I still can not follow you, but it's okay... All the best Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Peter Graf wrote: > no offense intended at all, but are you not counting the now much faster > PC hardware (which you didn't design) and the Windows features (which > you didn't write, e.g. TCP/IP) as QPC achievements? So? Does this change the reality in any way? No. I've never taken credits for making PCs faster. But it's a simple fact that a current PC can emulate 68k code faster than any native 68k chip on the market. QemuLators experimental JIT core is probably even faster, but we're talking of such huge speeds here that this doesn't even matter anymore! > It is really really hard to make new QL hardware possible... I find > public statement that QL hardware "can not match" in features somewhat > depressing... It's not that it can't match it. It's that, at this time, it doesn't match it. This is purely an assessment of the current situation, one with which you can hardly argue. If there is to be new hardware, great, be my guest! I could even imagine helping a bit on the driver side, if I can find the time. My point was simply that brushing QPC aside as "just an emulator" is wrong. Not more, not less. I have not and will never argue against native hardware. > Wouldn't a new and cool device in a QL's microdrive slot be a > feature as well? Actually, that sounds neat, yes. I whish you every luck you can get with your project. > Not everyone is biased toward "emulating SMSQ/E under Windows" - which > is what QPC is restricted to. Qemulator(Fast) is very fast emulator as > well. Unlike QPC it allows to run a choice of operating systems which is > a big feature and major point when it comes to define a "platform". Just > saying. Live and let live :-) We probably just define "platform" differently. QemuLator is without a doubt a great product. But it mostly emulates other computers. Be it a standard QL, a Gold Card QL, more recently probably even an Aurora. And when it does that, it's a standard QL, a Gold Card QL... you get my drift. QPC is never any of those. QPC is QPC, and that's that. In your eyes this might be a bad thing, but this is the reason I call it a platform on its own. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Hi Marcel, > In fact it's now the other way round, there is no native hardware that > can match QPC in speed or features. That's why I was a bit mystified > by your choices. Just saying. no offense intended at all, but are you not counting the now much faster PC hardware (which you didn't design) and the Windows features (which you didn't write, e.g. TCP/IP) as QPC achievements? If the speed and features were part of your system, written in a QL compatible form, I would sort of agree. But the sorry fact that Freescale (former Motorola) makes no new 68k chips, is really not a QPC achievement. There has been about a decade without new QL hardware, and maybe even you might have noticed that this has not really vitalized the QL. Even your own emulator will finally become pointless if nobody cares about the original(s) anymore. So why not allow a little "bias" toward QL hardware once in a while? It is really really hard to make new QL hardware possible... I find public statement that QL hardware "can not match" in features somewhat depressing... Wouldn't a new and cool device in a QL's microdrive slot be a feature as well? To "see and feel" something is a feature for me - we humans are not fully virtualized... I can not somehow beam QPC into my QL and match this ;-) Not everyone is biased toward "emulating SMSQ/E under Windows" - which is what QPC is restricted to. Qemulator(Fast) is very fast emulator as well. Unlike QPC it allows to run a choice of operating systems which is a big feature and major point when it comes to define a "platform". Just saying. Live and let live :-) All the best Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Plastic wrote: > Software is simple to duplicate, and it does not wear out. Not entirely correct, software often has to be updated when new operating systems (i.e. Windows) are released, but okay, I get your point ;) > That said, QPC runs all the same software as all the other options. When > asking what software people want, you have to first know what hardware > people want to run it on. But isn't this my point? QPC *is* a "hardware" (or rather "target") platform in this sense. And there is often a *huge* difference, software wise, if my software has to run on QPC, QL2K, uQLx or QemuLator. > Once you're looking at an emulator, any emulator, that part of the > question answers itself. No, not really. There are emulators running QDOS and there are emulators running SMSQ/E. And that's only where the differences start. But I don't want to drag this argument out any further, I hope I made my point and that's okay then. > There will be some specific questions about QPC in the next survey, > but I am confident they won't tell the QPC devs anything new The QPC dev team consists of one person, namely me, just FYI ;-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Thanks for the comments and apologies to Tony for any misunderstanding and for Malcolm I am not sure if a ZIF socket is needed for what I have in mind but thanks anyway. I only need the QL to run the boot file from floppy (or SD card if that becomes a real possibility) from a cold power up without the user having to press anything. The delay that Minerva offers and then boots anyway is fine for my needs, I just need to find away to realise its installation The comments including those below suggest I can take the existing two Sinclair QL ROMs out and replace with a (programmed and taped) EPROM with the Minerva code + Toolkit II and maybe SpeedScreen if there is room (its not essential) already in place and following the instructions from Peter G. this would all I need. Now unless I have got that wrong and I am sure somebody will tell me, my next step is to source the hardware for erasing and burning the EPROM. Lee Privett ¦¦ Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 ¦¦ - Original Message - From: Malcolm Cadman To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question In message , Plastic writes The ZIF carrier would be a neat way of doing it. The BBC Micro also has a slot, to the left of the keyboard area, for this purpose (it is a perforated). It is normally covered over, so most people would not notice it being there. For Lee's project with the QL, a PCB taking 4 ROM's with a ZIF, would be neat way of getting easy access to alternative ROM's. >If there's enough demand, I would be happy to make a few of these boards - >though they would be "prototype" PCBs and fairly expensive. Short run PCBs >tend to run around $40 each just for the PCB. Everything else would be >around $10. It might be easier to have more than one QL. > >On the upside, ZIF sockets would make things easier. > >At Sandy, we had one of the QEPIII programmers, which we used to program all >the EPROMS in everything we made. We also had a ZIF carrier which could hold >four ROM sets. It didn't just switch the CL lines - it unpowered the >unwanted slots, because once we put four Sinclair plastic-cased ROMs in >there and the current draw was too much and popped something in the power >section! Weird. > >Dave > >On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Peter Graf wrote: > >> Hi Lee, >> >> > So I need to look out for a Gc, SGC or Minerva conversion kit, >> > haven't seen those on eBay or sell my retro >> >> For Minerva ROM you could try >> >> 1. Get an M27C512 and a 28 pin DIL socket (wide, long pins) >> 2. Program lower 48 KB with Minerva, and upper 16 KB with extension ROM >> binary of your choice >> 3. Lift up pin 1, 20, 22. >> 4. Press M27C512 into an IC socket >> 5. Wire socket pin 20 to M27C512 pin 1 >> 6. Wire socket pin 22 to M27C512 pin 20 >> 7. Wire M27C512 pin 28 to M27C512 pin 22 >> 8. Remove both QL ROMs from socket >> 9. Press in the M27C512 with it's socket into one of the QL sockets >> >> All the best >> Peter >> >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm >> >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] USA --> QL MemBranes
I have dug thru a box or two of my QL stuff. I have a small supply of virgin QL Membranes I will make available to any in the US wanting to save some shipping time. These are the later (90's) design that didn't age, have been stored in a heated home environment in a vertical position avoiding any storage problems USA PRICE $27 SHIPPED we never had any complaints or returns on these! -- Paul Holmgren Mine: 2 57 300-C's in Indy Hers: 05 PT GT R/T HO Stage 1 Hoosier Corps L#6 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
In message , Plastic writes The ZIF carrier would be a neat way of doing it. The BBC Micro also has a slot, to the left of the keyboard area, for this purpose (it is a perforated). It is normally covered over, so most people would not notice it being there. For Lee's project with the QL, a PCB taking 4 ROM's with a ZIF, would be neat way of getting easy access to alternative ROM's. If there's enough demand, I would be happy to make a few of these boards - though they would be "prototype" PCBs and fairly expensive. Short run PCBs tend to run around $40 each just for the PCB. Everything else would be around $10. It might be easier to have more than one QL. On the upside, ZIF sockets would make things easier. At Sandy, we had one of the QEPIII programmers, which we used to program all the EPROMS in everything we made. We also had a ZIF carrier which could hold four ROM sets. It didn't just switch the CL lines - it unpowered the unwanted slots, because once we put four Sinclair plastic-cased ROMs in there and the current draw was too much and popped something in the power section! Weird. Dave On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Peter Graf wrote: Hi Lee, > So I need to look out for a Gc, SGC or Minerva conversion kit, > haven't seen those on eBay or sell my retro For Minerva ROM you could try 1. Get an M27C512 and a 28 pin DIL socket (wide, long pins) 2. Program lower 48 KB with Minerva, and upper 16 KB with extension ROM binary of your choice 3. Lift up pin 1, 20, 22. 4. Press M27C512 into an IC socket 5. Wire socket pin 20 to M27C512 pin 1 6. Wire socket pin 22 to M27C512 pin 20 7. Wire M27C512 pin 28 to M27C512 pin 22 8. Remove both QL ROMs from socket 9. Press in the M27C512 with it's socket into one of the QL sockets All the best Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
What you say is entirely correct. When I wrote the questions, I was considering answers that would help people focus their developments on something that is in demand. Hardware is in relatively short supply and is getting older - replacements have the dual benefits of being faster and more reliable. Software is simple to duplicate, and it does not wear out. As it runs on modern hardware, that can be upgraded easily. Further, developing QPC further is the task of a few select individuals and while it benefits QPC to respond to community desires, the majority of people don't have much to contribute in that department. If a QPC owner wants an upgrade, they just update the emulator they already have, or the system it runs on ;) That said, QPC runs all the same software as all the other options. When asking what software people want, you have to first know what hardware people want to run it on. Once you're looking at an emulator, any emulator, that part of the question answers itself. There will be some specific questions about QPC in the next survey, but I am confident they won't tell the QPC devs anything new - though it will tell the community at large how other use it and where they see it going. That's something the QPC devs already know, I think. Dave On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > Dave Park wrote: > > All the emulators can be reconfigured to cover most of the hardware > > out there. > > Well, you seem to have the notion that there is QL hardware, and there > are emulators that emulate said hardware. That's probably true for > most form of emulators but not for QPC. QPC does NOT emulate any > native hardware (CPU and strange screen layouts not withstanding), it > is a QL "compatible" platform of its own, including specially written > OS and all. > > In fact it's now the other way round, there is no native hardware that > can match QPC in speed or features. That's why I was a bit mystified > by your choices. Just saying. > > Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Dave Park wrote: > All the emulators can be reconfigured to cover most of the hardware > out there. Well, you seem to have the notion that there is QL hardware, and there are emulators that emulate said hardware. That's probably true for most form of emulators but not for QPC. QPC does NOT emulate any native hardware (CPU and strange screen layouts not withstanding), it is a QL "compatible" platform of its own, including specially written OS and all. In fact it's now the other way round, there is no native hardware that can match QPC in speed or features. That's why I was a bit mystified by your choices. Just saying. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 2:26 PM, QL-MyLink (f/fh) wrote: > As Ralph said - > > "Quite right. It [QPC2] is *the* QL software emulator." > > John in Wales __ I'm using Q-Emulator for Mac 1.0 which is very good. The broken membrane emulation isn't quite there yet thought - still can type perfectly. I wonder what the shipping time is for a membrane from England to Texas - can't wait for it to get here. 26 responses and it's starting to get statistically significant now :) Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
As Ralph said - "Quite right. It [QPC2] is *the* QL software emulator." John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download
-- From: "Tony Firshman" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:00 PM To: Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download pjwitte wrote, on 13/Feb/11 19:55 | Feb13: pjwitte wrote: <> Thanks Dilwyn. Did you realise your brother has now beaten you in the Google rankings, or maybe you are an electrician in Ascot during the week. Nice van (8-)# http://www.dilwynjones.com/ This is what Google Chrome thinks of the site you site: Warning: Something's Not Right Here! <> Oops! Sorry for the massive "quote"! It was invisible to me until I received it here in plaintext. Must be some html formatting that somehow got included. He he - I wonder what tinyurl would make of that one - it woudl fill its storage (8-)# Dilwyn - what does this all mean I wonder. You are unlikely to get a reply from Dilwyn as he is on holiday. In Norton the electrician's site is marked as untested, but Dilwyn's is given a clear OK, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
All the emulators can be reconfigured to cover most of the hardware out there. Therefore I treated emulators ad two product lines: free, and commercial. Actual al hardware is by definition less configurable so it's definition is more fixed. It pays to tunnel deeper there, as people will be inclined to emulate their "ideal" sytdm and we need to know what that is in practice. Hope this clears up why I structured it the way I did. As I said in a previous post, the next survey will be much more focused on who uses the system and how they use them - ANC that survey will obviously appear to have an emulator and software bias. Dave Sent from my Verizon iPhone. On Feb 13, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Marcel Kilgus wrote: >> http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=IIMDML_e8265930 > > Hmm, somewhat hardware biased for my taste. Given that QPC was in > recent years probably the most widely used QL platforms of all, it > seems a bit strange to have it simply referred to as just "A > commercial software emulator". > > Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download
pjwitte wrote, on 13/Feb/11 19:55 | Feb13: pjwitte wrote: <> Thanks Dilwyn. Did you realise your brother has now beaten you in the Google rankings, or maybe you are an electrician in Ascot during the week. Nice van (8-)# http://www.dilwynjones.com/ This is what Google Chrome thinks of the site you site: Warning: Something's Not Right Here! <> Oops! Sorry for the massive "quote"! It was invisible to me until I received it here in plaintext. Must be some html formatting that somehow got included. He he - I wonder what tinyurl would make of that one - it woudl fill its storage (8-)# Dilwyn - what does this all mean I wonder. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download
pjwitte wrote: <> Thanks Dilwyn. Did you realise your brother has now beaten you in the Google rankings, or maybe you are an electrician in Ascot during the week. Nice van (8-)# http://www.dilwynjones.com/ This is what Google Chrome thinks of the site you site: Warning: Something's Not Right Here! <> Oops! Sorry for the massive "quote"! It was invisible to me until I received it here in plaintext. Must be some html formatting that somehow got included. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download
Tony Firshman wrote: Tony Firshman wrote, on 13/Feb/11 14:24 | Feb13: I see Qemulator has moved form geocities. What link should I use for it? Found it on Dilwyn's site (ironically hosted by *my* server). http://terdina.net/ql/q-emulator.html Thanks Dilwyn. Did you realise your brother has now beaten you in the Google rankings, or maybe you are an electrician in Ascot during the week. Nice van (8-)# http://www.dilwynjones.com/ This is what Google Chrome thinks of the site you site: Warning: Something's Not Right Here! *www.dilwynjones.com* contains content from *fruits.lemonia.ws*, a site known to distribute malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site. Google has found malicious software may be installed onto your computer if you proceed. If you've visited this site in the past or you trust this site, it's possible that it has just recently been compromised by a hacker. You should not proceed, and perhaps try again tomorrow or go somewhere else. If you understand that visiting this site may harm your computer, proceed anyway -size%3A18pt;%0A%20%20line-height%3A%20140%25;%0A%20%20margin-bottom%3A6pt;%0A%20%20font-weight%3Abold;%0A%20%20color%3A%2366;%0A%7D%0A.main%20%7B%0A%20%20margin%3A0px%2090px%200px;%0A%7D%0A.submission%20%7B%0A%20%20margin%3A15px%205px%2015px%200px;%0A%20%20padding%3A0px;%0A%7D%0Ainput%20%7B%0A%20%20margin%3A0px;%0A%7D%0A.proceedbutton%20%7B%0A%7D%0A.helpbutton%20%7B%0A%20%20float%3Aright;%0A%7D%0A%0A.example%20%7B%0A%20%20margin%3A%2030px%2090px%200px;%0A%20%20border-top%3A1px%20solid%20%23ccc;%0A%20%20padding-top%3A6px;%0A%7D%0A.moreinfotitle%20%7B%0A%20%20margin-left%3A5px;%0A%20%20margin-right%3A5px;%0A%7D%0A%0A.nicebutton%20%7B%0A%20%20color%3A%20%23fff;%0A%20%20font-size%3A%2011pt;%0A%20%20font-weight%3A%20bold;%0A%20%20padding%3A%207px%2020px;%0A%20%20border-radius%3A%205px;%0A%20%20outline-width%3A%200;%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%234C7336;%0A%20%20-webkit-box-shadow%3A%200%201px%203px%20rgba%280,%200,%200,%200.3%29,%0A%20%20%20%20%20inset%200px%201px%200p x%20rgba%28255,%20255,%20255,%200.5%29;%0A%20%20text-shadow%3A%20-1px%20-1px%200px%20rgba%280,%200,%200,%200.2%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23back%20%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%234C7336;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%2381C05C%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%2359A02F%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23more%20%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%2323517B;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%235E91C1%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%232E689E%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23less%20%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%2323517B;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%235E91C1%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%232E689E%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23back%3Ahover%20%7B%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-web kit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%238CCE62%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%2359A02F%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23back%3Aactive%20%7B%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%2359A02F%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%238CCE62%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23back%3Afocus%20%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%23000;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%238CCE62%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%2359A02F%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23more%3Ahover%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%2323517B;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%2368A1D6%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%232E689E%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23less%3Ahover%7B%0A%20%20borde r%3A%201px%20solid%20%2323517B;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%2368A1D6%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%232E689E%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23more%3Aactive%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%2323517B;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%232E689E%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%2368A1D6%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23less%3Aactive%20%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%2323517B;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20top,%20left%20bottom,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%280.3,%20%232E689E%29,%0A%20%20%20%20color-stop%281.0,%20%2368A1D6%29%29;%0A%7D%0A%0A%23more%3Afocus%20%7B%0A%20%20border%3A%201px%20solid%20%23000;%0A%20%20background-image%3A%20-webkit-gradient%28linear,%0A%20%20%20%20left%20to
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Marcel Kilgus wrote: http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=IIMDML_e8265930 Hmm, somewhat hardware biased for my taste. Given that QPC was in recent years probably the most widely used QL platforms of all, it seems a bit strange to have it simply referred to as just "A commercial software emulator". Quite right. It is *the* QL software emulator. Cheers...Ralf ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
> http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=IIMDML_e8265930 Hmm, somewhat hardware biased for my taste. Given that QPC was in recent years probably the most widely used QL platforms of all, it seems a bit strange to have it simply referred to as just "A commercial software emulator". Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
On 13 Feb 2011, at 17:58, "Lee Privett" wrote: > "as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene." > > Ok Tony, not sure what you mean by that, are you saying you may be making > some more? > > Lee Privett > Some more what? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(1442)-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, Tring, Herts, HP23 4DG > ¦¦ > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Forum doesn't seem to like me?
If you email *Robert Heaton *** he can create the account for you manually. He would probably also like to know about your problem registering :) Dave On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Tobias Fröschle < tobias.froesc...@t-online.de> wrote: > Gents, (and especially to Peter Scott, should you read here) > > has anyone tried to register with the QL Forum? > When I try to do that and Agree to terms and Conditions, it tells me > > "Error: ! Sorry, but that doesn't appear to be a valid API key." - > Whatever that should tell me, I can't register. > > I /think/ I use a pretty standard firefox on an even more standard Linux > laptop, so would not expect the problem on my side. > > Cheers, > Tobiass > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QL Forum doesn't seem to like me?
Gents, (and especially to Peter Scott, should you read here) has anyone tried to register with the QL Forum? When I try to do that and Agree to terms and Conditions, it tells me "Error: ! Sorry, but that doesn't appear to be a valid API key." - Whatever that should tell me, I can't register. I /think/ I use a pretty standard firefox on an even more standard Linux laptop, so would not expect the problem on my side. Cheers, Tobiass ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Lee Privett wrote: "as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene." Ok Tony, not sure what you mean by that, are you saying you may be making some more? I am *very* sure, what he means. After more than 10 years beeing absent, I have received an original boxed QL from Urs König and Markus Dettwiler from Suisse (with many thanks) have bought QPC2, text87, and have spent a few bucks to Marcel, who corrected a few (but serious) bugs in programs, I heavily use (now again). I can understand everyone! Cheers...Ralf ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Lee Privett wrote: > "as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene." > > Ok Tony, not sure what you mean by that, are you saying you may be making > some more? > > Lee Privett > I think he's saying he has a stalker that wants to talk to him about his hard long black thing. *SHOCK!* Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-You Sir!] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Not at this stage. I plan to do another more detailed survey in a couple of months that looks at the users and their experience levels. This survey is aimed squarely at finding out what people use and how they use it. It's the information that's most urgently needed. I wanted to keep this survey short and informative, and allow it to lead the next survey - along with feedback like this. In the next survey I will look at users' age, sex, how long they have been a QLer, how they came to be a QLer and so forth. Dave On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:55 AM, gdgqler wrote: > > On 13 Feb 2011, at 17:45, Plastic wrote: > > > > > 15 responses so far, and already some definite and surprising trends > > forming. > > > > If anyone with QUANTA or QL Today or any other sites would like to put > the > > survey URL on their site, please feel welcome to do so. The more > responses, > > the more meaningful it is. > > > > I'm really surprised by a couple of the answers - not at all what I > > expected. > > You didn't ask the age of the repliers. Do you think that that variable > would have been significant in an analysis of the answers? > > George > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
"as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene." Ok Tony, not sure what you mean by that, are you saying you may be making some more? Lee Privett ¦¦ Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 ¦¦ - Original Message - From: Ralf Reköndt To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question Tony Firshman wrote: > ... as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene. Hopefully... Cheers...Ralf BTW: Always good to hear you speaking, when I switch to the ROMdisq page. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-You Sir!] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
On 13 Feb 2011, at 17:45, Plastic wrote: > > 15 responses so far, and already some definite and surprising trends > forming. > > If anyone with QUANTA or QL Today or any other sites would like to put the > survey URL on their site, please feel welcome to do so. The more responses, > the more meaningful it is. > > I'm really surprised by a couple of the answers - not at all what I > expected. You didn't ask the age of the repliers. Do you think that that variable would have been significant in an analysis of the answers? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-You Sir!] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Hi all, 15 responses so far, and already some definite and surprising trends forming. If anyone with QUANTA or QL Today or any other sites would like to put the survey URL on their site, please feel welcome to do so. The more responses, the more meaningful it is. I'm really surprised by a couple of the answers - not at all what I expected. Dave On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Plastic wrote: > Hi all, > > Please help the community by completing this 24-question survey. It will > take less than three minutes to complete. > > The reason for this survey is that there have been others, but they have > either been internal to an organization or the results haven't been made > entirely public. This survey will have fully public results, and the > questions are designed to see what people are using right now, and what they > see themselves using in the future. The information will feed back to > programmers and hardware designers, and shine a light on Quanta and QL World > and how they can improve too. > > The questions have been checked and amended by a few of the "movers and > shakers" of the QL community. > > No personal information is collected (unless you volunteer it) and I will > not collect any identifying information or include it. > > The survey is here: > > http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=IIMDML_e8265930 > > Please take just three minutes to check it out and give some responses - > the whole community will benefit. > > Dave > > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Tony Firshman wrote: I found a few more broken links and they are repaired. One *tries* to make the site fully relative, but it is hard. It should all be now. Thank's a lot! Cheers...Ralf ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
gdgqler wrote, on 13/Feb/11 15:32 | Feb13: On 13 Feb 2011, at 15:28, Tony Firshman wrote: Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 14:53 | Feb13: Tony Firshman wrote: I use IE. Andthe links to the corresponding files for ROMdisq are broken! Whoops - should be OK now. Any other broken links? The file links under http://tfs.firshman.co.uk/ql/rdhist.htm are broken, no driver, no manual available. Done Yes it is. That was quick (8-)# I found a few more broken links and they are repaired. One *tries* to make the site fully relative, but it is hard. It should all be now. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
On 13 Feb 2011, at 15:28, Tony Firshman wrote: > Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 14:53 | Feb13: >> Tony Firshman wrote: >> I use IE. Andthe links to the corresponding files for ROMdisq are broken! >>> Whoops - should be OK now. >>> Any other broken links? >> >> The file links under http://tfs.firshman.co.uk/ql/rdhist.htm are broken, >> no driver, no manual available. >> > Done Yes it is. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 14:53 | Feb13: Tony Firshman wrote: I use IE. Andthe links to the corresponding files for ROMdisq are broken! Whoops - should be OK now. Any other broken links? The file links under http://tfs.firshman.co.uk/ql/rdhist.htm are broken, no driver, no manual available. Done Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Tony Firshman wrote: I use IE. Andthe links to the corresponding files for ROMdisq are broken! Whoops - should be OK now. Any other broken links? The file links under http://tfs.firshman.co.uk/ql/rdhist.htm are broken, no driver, no manual available. Cheers...Ralf ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface (and Progress Update)
On 13 Feb 2011, at 14:02, Adrian Ives wrote: > > Hn. > > Well, I'm using SMSQ and I get this ... > > 65537 DIV 65536 = 1 > 65537 MOD 65536 = 1 > > 128000 DIV 65536 = 1 > 128000 MOD 65536 = 62464 Yes. SMSQ/E allows larger numbers than integers for DIV and MOD. However, Turbo does not allow this. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download
Tony Firshman wrote, on 13/Feb/11 14:24 | Feb13: I see Qemulator has moved form geocities. What link should I use for it? Found it on Dilwyn's site (ironically hosted by *my* server). http://terdina.net/ql/q-emulator.html Thanks Dilwyn. Did you realise your brother has now beaten you in the Google rankings, or maybe you are an electrician in Ascot during the week. Nice van (8-)# http://www.dilwynjones.com/ Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download
Try here: http://www.terdina.net/ql/winql.html -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Tony Firshman Sent: 13 February 2011 14:25 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Qemulator download I see Qemulator has moved form geocities. What link should I use for it? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Qemulator download
I see Qemulator has moved form geocities. What link should I use for it? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface (and Progress Update)
Bob, Hn. Well, I'm using SMSQ and I get this ... 65537 DIV 65536 = 1 65537 MOD 65536 = 1 128000 DIV 65536 = 1 128000 MOD 65536 = 62464 It's academic, anyway. This is just an example to show how you _could_ use these facilities. Thanks for pointing it out, though. Adrian -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Bob Spelten Sent: 13 February 2011 13:44 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface (and Progress Update) Op Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:41 +0100 schreef Adrian Ives : > 250 REMark === > 260 REMark : > 270 DEFine FuNction GetDWordResponse$(Cmd%) > 280 LOCal Response, High%, Low% > 290 USB_PUTCMD Cmd% > 300 Response= USB_GETCMD > 310 High%= Response DIV 65536 > 320 Low%= Response MOD 65536 > 330 RETurn High% & '/' & Low% > 340 END DEFine GetDWordResponse$ > 350 REMark : > 360 REMark === > 370 REMark : > 380 DEFine FuNction Get32BitResponse$(Cmd%) > 390 LOCal Response, High%, Low% > 400 USB_PUTCMD Cmd% > 410 Response= USB_GETCMD > 420 High%= Response DIV 65536 > 430 Low%= Response MOD 65536 > 440 RETurn BIN$(High%,16) & "/" & BIN$(Low%,16) > 450 END DEFine Get32BitResponse$ > I think these functions need a little adjustment. The DIV & MOD functions in S'Basic work on signed Integers and not on Longs. Value DIV 65536 will always produce zero. Value MOD 65536 will always produce value. There probably are Long DIV/MOD functions in some toolkit out there, I just happened to find one in an old Machine Code book. Otherwise just use '/' and INT to extract the high% and low% parts. high%=INT(response / 65536): low%=response -(high% * 65536) Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.chello.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 13:38 | Feb13: Tony Firshman wrote: Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 13:23 | Feb13: Tony Firshman wrote: ... as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene. Hopefully... Cheers...Ralf BTW: Always good to hear you speaking, when I switch to the ROMdisq page. Ouch - I had forgotten that was there. It doesn't work under Firefox. Any idea why? I use IE. Andthe links to the corresponding files for ROMdisq are broken! Whoops - should be OK now. Any other broken links? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface (and Progress Update)
Op Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:41 +0100 schreef Adrian Ives : 250 REMark === 260 REMark : 270 DEFine FuNction GetDWordResponse$(Cmd%) 280 LOCal Response, High%, Low% 290 USB_PUTCMD Cmd% 300 Response= USB_GETCMD 310 High%= Response DIV 65536 320 Low%= Response MOD 65536 330 RETurn High% & '/' & Low% 340 END DEFine GetDWordResponse$ 350 REMark : 360 REMark === 370 REMark : 380 DEFine FuNction Get32BitResponse$(Cmd%) 390 LOCal Response, High%, Low% 400 USB_PUTCMD Cmd% 410 Response= USB_GETCMD 420 High%= Response DIV 65536 430 Low%= Response MOD 65536 440 RETurn BIN$(High%,16) & "/" & BIN$(Low%,16) 450 END DEFine Get32BitResponse$ I think these functions need a little adjustment. The DIV & MOD functions in S'Basic work on signed Integers and not on Longs. Value DIV 65536 will always produce zero. Value MOD 65536 will always produce value. There probably are Long DIV/MOD functions in some toolkit out there, I just happened to find one in an old Machine Code book. Otherwise just use '/' and INT to extract the high% and low% parts. high%=INT(response / 65536): low%=response -(high% * 65536) Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.chello.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Tony Firshman wrote: Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 13:23 | Feb13: Tony Firshman wrote: ... as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene. Hopefully... Cheers...Ralf BTW: Always good to hear you speaking, when I switch to the ROMdisq page. Ouch - I had forgotten that was there. It doesn't work under Firefox. Any idea why? I use IE. Andthe links to the corresponding files for ROMdisq are broken! Cheers...Ralf ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 13:23 | Feb13: Tony Firshman wrote: ... as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene. Hopefully... Cheers...Ralf BTW: Always good to hear you speaking, when I switch to the ROMdisq page. Ouch - I had forgotten that was there. It doesn't work under Firefox. Any idea why? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Tony Firshman wrote: ... as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene. Hopefully... Cheers...Ralf BTW: Always good to hear you speaking, when I switch to the ROMdisq page. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Rich Mellor wrote, on 13/Feb/11 13:17 | Feb13: I am fresh out of Minervae unfortunately, until Tony makes some more for me Unlikely I am afraid until March - I am in the final stages of a house renovation. ... as I said, one can never *really* escape the QL scene. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
I am fresh out of Minervae unfortunately, until Tony makes some more for me My Gold Card does not have the auto_ functions, as I found out today! No spare Gold Card or Super Gold Card here either Rich On 12/02/2011 19:00, Lee Privett wrote: So I need to look out for a Gc, SGC or Minerva conversion kit, haven't seen those on eBay or sell my retro any other places? Lee Privett ¦¦ Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 ¦¦ - Original Message - From: gdgqler To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question On 12 Feb 2011, at 17:06, Tony Firshman wrote: > Ah yes you are right, but I think it only 'presses' it - the start screen still appears I believe. As I recall the start screen does not in fact appear. (But that was before the battery gave out!) George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk http://www.rwapservices.co.uk -- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] [QL-You Sir!] The Spring 2011 QL Survery
Hi all, Please help the community by completing this 24-question survey. It will take less than three minutes to complete. The reason for this survey is that there have been others, but they have either been internal to an organization or the results haven't been made entirely public. This survey will have fully public results, and the questions are designed to see what people are using right now, and what they see themselves using in the future. The information will feed back to programmers and hardware designers, and shine a light on Quanta and QL World and how they can improve too. The questions have been checked and amended by a few of the "movers and shakers" of the QL community. No personal information is collected (unless you volunteer it) and I will not collect any identifying information or include it. The survey is here: http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=IIMDML_e8265930 Please take just three minutes to check it out and give some responses - the whole community will benefit. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs...
Check out my awesome Apple template kills :) But thank you anyway. Dave On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Lee Privett wrote: > Refreshingly nicely styled website for the QL, Dave. > > Lee Privett > > ¦¦ > Sent from my Laptop running XP > but emulating the QL using QPC2 > ¦¦ > - Original Message - > From: Plastic > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs... > > > Which of course SUCKS. Oddly, the QL manual that came with it refers to > the > EU style interfaces. Does anyone know the pinouts? > > I have now posted the photos and the correct URL is: > http://www.nonstickglue.com/QL_Hardware_Library/Photos.html > > Over time I will add extensively to the photos and technical info on the > site. You might want to bookmark it. Also, I will be creating a CURRENT > list > of maintained and active QL sites, which I will maintain to ensure it > doesn't become a pile of dead links in a few months like many others :P > > Dave > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Tony Firshman > wrote: > > > Plastic wrote, on 13/Feb/11 06:57 | Feb13: > > > > Hi all. > >> > >> I have been looking at my US QL, and noting many differences from UK > >> keyboards. > >> > >> Here's what I have seen so far. The PCB most resembles an Issue 7 > board, > >> but > >> with some changes. > >> > >> The first apparent difference is the odd serial and joystick connectors > >> were > >> replaced by standard 9-pin D sockets. The case rear bottom shell was > >> modified so the 4 sockets sit in a metal gasket which plugs the gap. > The > >> interior of the top and bottom case were metalised using a vapor > >> deposition > >> technique (the same one used to make toys or CDs shiny). Continuing > this > >> theme, a large ferrite ring cuts noise on a pair of wires in the power > >> supply section, tucked under the heatsink. > >> > >> The ROMs are JSU, and are the plastic type. Weirdly, the $ was made > in > >> Korea, and the $8000 was made in Mexico. > >> > >> There is a small 2cm x 2.5cm daughter card stuck to the top of the > >> on-board > >> memory with 4 dabs of silicon. There are four wires coming from the > board > >> to > >> various points on the PCB. It contains one IC, a 74HCU04B1, two > resistors > >> and a disc capacitor. > >> > >> There are a few wires making some changes to the PCB. On the 68008, a > wire > >> bridge joins pins 15 and 35. This link is joined via a 22pf cap to pin > 13. > >> > >> On the 8301, pin 6 is joined to pins 11, 12, 30, 31 and 32 via five > 1n4148 > >> diodes. > >> > >> There are a few other small differences, no greater than the difference > >> between an Iss.5 and Iss.7 board. > >> > >> Photos will be posted at http://www.nonstickglue.com/qlphotos/ in an > hour > >> or > >> two. > >> > >> ... and the keyboard metal back plate was far thicker. Also the > membrane > > was more likely to be the good clear plastic type. > > Unfortunately, although the 9D is the same as a PC, the pinout is > different > > - naturally as this was long before PCs had 9D ports. > > > > Tony > > > > > > -- > > QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) > <+441442828255>+44(0)1442-828255<+441442828255> > <+441442828255> > > t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk > > Voice: <+441442828254>+44(0)1442-828254 <+441442828254><+441442828254> > Fax: > > <+441442828255>+44(0)1442-828255 <+441442828255> <+441442828255> Skype: > tonyfirshman > >TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG > > ___ > > QL-Users Mailing List > > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
If you buy an EPROM on eBay and it needs erasing, remove the label (you'll find letting the label soak in some lysol is the best way to do this) and then putting the EPROM with the window facing the sun for approx 30 mins should erase it. On a dull day it doesn't take longer, as UV goes right through clouds. To combine the top OS ROM image I suggest you: (pseudo-code alert!) base = ALCHP(32768) copy the upper OS ROM image to base copy the TK2 ROM image to base+16384 save base TO base+32767 to a file that will be your new ROM image. Burn the image to the EPROM. If you have really amazing eyesight you can look in the window while it's burning and what all the bits turning off! [1] Cut yourself a 10x15mm bit of label, and write something descriptive on it, THEN stick it onto the EPROM window. ProTip: leave a bit of backing extra so you can separate it easily. Store programmed EPROMS in a bit of conductive foam or wrapped in aluminium foil when not in a PCB - they're quite hardy, but it only takes 25v on a pin to change a bit, and you walking around generates a lot more than that. Good luck! Dave [1] if you try this, you will go blind. Also, a blank EPROM is all 1's and burning it turns off the 0's you need to be zeros. Neat huh? On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Lee Privett wrote: > Looking on EBay the prices for the EPROM's are just a few pounds if > M27C512-15 is the same thing, the 28 pin DIL socket less than a pound, the > ROM codes Minerva & Toolkit II are freely available so other than getting > the code burnt on to the EPROM I have everything or am I missing something? > > Lee Privett > > ¦¦ ha > Sent from my Laptop running XP >but emulating the QL using QPC2 > ¦¦ > - Original Message - > From: Peter Graf > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question > > > Hi Lee, > > > So I need to look out for a Gc, SGC or Minerva conversion kit, > > haven't seen those on eBay or sell my retro > > For Minerva ROM you could try > > 1. Get an M27C512 and a 28 pin DIL socket (wide, long pins) > 2. Program lower 48 KB with Minerva, and upper 16 KB with extension ROM > binary of your choice > 3. Lift up pin 1, 20, 22. > 4. Press M27C512 into an IC socket > 5. Wire socket pin 20 to M27C512 pin 1 > 6. Wire socket pin 22 to M27C512 pin 20 > 7. Wire M27C512 pin 28 to M27C512 pin 22 > 8. Remove both QL ROMs from socket > 9. Press in the M27C512 with it's socket into one of the QL sockets > > All the best > Peter > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs...
Refreshingly nicely styled website for the QL, Dave. Lee Privett ¦¦ Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 ¦¦ - Original Message - From: Plastic To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs... Which of course SUCKS. Oddly, the QL manual that came with it refers to the EU style interfaces. Does anyone know the pinouts? I have now posted the photos and the correct URL is: http://www.nonstickglue.com/QL_Hardware_Library/Photos.html Over time I will add extensively to the photos and technical info on the site. You might want to bookmark it. Also, I will be creating a CURRENT list of maintained and active QL sites, which I will maintain to ensure it doesn't become a pile of dead links in a few months like many others :P Dave On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Tony Firshman wrote: > Plastic wrote, on 13/Feb/11 06:57 | Feb13: > > Hi all. >> >> I have been looking at my US QL, and noting many differences from UK >> keyboards. >> >> Here's what I have seen so far. The PCB most resembles an Issue 7 board, >> but >> with some changes. >> >> The first apparent difference is the odd serial and joystick connectors >> were >> replaced by standard 9-pin D sockets. The case rear bottom shell was >> modified so the 4 sockets sit in a metal gasket which plugs the gap. The >> interior of the top and bottom case were metalised using a vapor >> deposition >> technique (the same one used to make toys or CDs shiny). Continuing this >> theme, a large ferrite ring cuts noise on a pair of wires in the power >> supply section, tucked under the heatsink. >> >> The ROMs are JSU, and are the plastic type. Weirdly, the $ was made in >> Korea, and the $8000 was made in Mexico. >> >> There is a small 2cm x 2.5cm daughter card stuck to the top of the >> on-board >> memory with 4 dabs of silicon. There are four wires coming from the board >> to >> various points on the PCB. It contains one IC, a 74HCU04B1, two resistors >> and a disc capacitor. >> >> There are a few wires making some changes to the PCB. On the 68008, a wire >> bridge joins pins 15 and 35. This link is joined via a 22pf cap to pin 13. >> >> On the 8301, pin 6 is joined to pins 11, 12, 30, 31 and 32 via five 1n4148 >> diodes. >> >> There are a few other small differences, no greater than the difference >> between an Iss.5 and Iss.7 board. >> >> Photos will be posted at http://www.nonstickglue.com/qlphotos/ in an hour >> or >> two. >> >> ... and the keyboard metal back plate was far thicker. Also the membrane > was more likely to be the good clear plastic type. > Unfortunately, although the 9D is the same as a PC, the pinout is different > - naturally as this was long before PCs had 9D ports. > > Tony > > > -- > QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) <+441442828255>+44(0)1442-828255<+441442828255> > t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk > Voice: <+441442828254>+44(0)1442-828254 <+441442828254> Fax: > <+441442828255>+44(0)1442-828255 <+441442828255> Skype: tonyfirshman >TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Looking on EBay the prices for the EPROM's are just a few pounds if M27C512-15 is the same thing, the 28 pin DIL socket less than a pound, the ROM codes Minerva & Toolkit II are freely available so other than getting the code burnt on to the EPROM I have everything or am I missing something? Lee Privett ¦¦ ha Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 ¦¦ - Original Message - From: Peter Graf To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question Hi Lee, > So I need to look out for a Gc, SGC or Minerva conversion kit, > haven't seen those on eBay or sell my retro For Minerva ROM you could try 1. Get an M27C512 and a 28 pin DIL socket (wide, long pins) 2. Program lower 48 KB with Minerva, and upper 16 KB with extension ROM binary of your choice 3. Lift up pin 1, 20, 22. 4. Press M27C512 into an IC socket 5. Wire socket pin 20 to M27C512 pin 1 6. Wire socket pin 22 to M27C512 pin 20 7. Wire M27C512 pin 28 to M27C512 pin 22 8. Remove both QL ROMs from socket 9. Press in the M27C512 with it's socket into one of the QL sockets All the best Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface (and Progress Update)
Well, in that version it was because of the NUL device (although there are
ways around that - any channel could be used as the target of a Turbo
Toolkit SET_CHANNEL).
However, I have now implemented three new commands which remove the need for
all that mucking about ...
USB_PUTCMD Byte [,Byte]: Put a command in the driver's command pipe.
USB_GETCMD(): Get a long word command response from the driver's command
pipe.
USB_GETCMD$(): Get a long word command response from the driver's command
pipe and return it as a string to S*BASIC.
... which makes the S*BASIC example look like this (also much faster):
100 PRINT "The Response to Command $01 (Get Driver Version) was: " &
GetResponse$(1)
110 PRINT "The Response to Command $02 (Get Hardware Version) was: " &
GetResponse$(2)
120 PRINT "The Response to Command $03 (Get Hardware Type) was: " &
GetResponse$(3)
130 PRINT "The Response to Command $04 (Get I/O Queue Status) was: " &
GetDWordResponse$(4)
140 PRINT "The Response to Command $05 (Get I/O State) was: " &
GetDWordResponse$(5)
150 PRINT "The Response to Command $06 (Get Flags) was: " &
Get32BitResponse$(6)
160 PRINT "The Response to Command $11 (Get Mapped Physical Drive 1) was: "
& GetDWordResponse$(HEX("11"))
170 REMark :
180 REMark ===
190 REMark :
200 DEFine FuNction GetResponse$(Cmd%)
210 USB_PUTCMD Cmd%
220 RETurn USB_GETCMD$
230 END DEFine GetResponse$
240 REMark :
250 REMark ===
260 REMark :
270 DEFine FuNction GetDWordResponse$(Cmd%)
280 LOCal Response, High%, Low%
290 USB_PUTCMD Cmd%
300 Response= USB_GETCMD
310 High%= Response DIV 65536
320 Low%= Response MOD 65536
330 RETurn High% & '/' & Low%
340 END DEFine GetDWordResponse$
350 REMark :
360 REMark ===
370 REMark :
380 DEFine FuNction Get32BitResponse$(Cmd%)
390 LOCal Response, High%, Low%
400 USB_PUTCMD Cmd%
410 Response= USB_GETCMD
420 High%= Response DIV 65536
430 Low%= Response MOD 65536
440 RETurn BIN$(High%,16) & "/" & BIN$(Low%,16)
450 END DEFine Get32BitResponse$
-Original Message-
From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com
[mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Plastic
Sent: 13 February 2011 11:16
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface
(and Progress Update)
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Adrian Ives wrote:
> [SNIP]
> Here is a tidier version of the example S*BASIC program that I posted
> in my last mail. It shows how to use the interface in its current
> form. Requires SMSQ & Turbo Toolkit (and the Ser-USB Driver).
> [SNIP]
Is the SMSQ requirement permanent, or just for development purposes?
Dave
___
QL-Users Mailing List
http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
___
QL-Users Mailing List
http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface (and Progress Update)
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Adrian Ives wrote: > [SNIP] > Here is a tidier version of the example S*BASIC program that I posted in my > last mail. It shows how to use the interface in its current form. Requires > SMSQ & Turbo Toolkit (and the Ser-USB Driver). > [SNIP] Is the SMSQ requirement permanent, or just for development purposes? Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs...
Which of course SUCKS. Oddly, the QL manual that came with it refers to the EU style interfaces. Does anyone know the pinouts? I have now posted the photos and the correct URL is: http://www.nonstickglue.com/QL_Hardware_Library/Photos.html Over time I will add extensively to the photos and technical info on the site. You might want to bookmark it. Also, I will be creating a CURRENT list of maintained and active QL sites, which I will maintain to ensure it doesn't become a pile of dead links in a few months like many others :P Dave On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Tony Firshman wrote: > Plastic wrote, on 13/Feb/11 06:57 | Feb13: > > Hi all. >> >> I have been looking at my US QL, and noting many differences from UK >> keyboards. >> >> Here's what I have seen so far. The PCB most resembles an Issue 7 board, >> but >> with some changes. >> >> The first apparent difference is the odd serial and joystick connectors >> were >> replaced by standard 9-pin D sockets. The case rear bottom shell was >> modified so the 4 sockets sit in a metal gasket which plugs the gap. The >> interior of the top and bottom case were metalised using a vapor >> deposition >> technique (the same one used to make toys or CDs shiny). Continuing this >> theme, a large ferrite ring cuts noise on a pair of wires in the power >> supply section, tucked under the heatsink. >> >> The ROMs are JSU, and are the plastic type. Weirdly, the $ was made in >> Korea, and the $8000 was made in Mexico. >> >> There is a small 2cm x 2.5cm daughter card stuck to the top of the >> on-board >> memory with 4 dabs of silicon. There are four wires coming from the board >> to >> various points on the PCB. It contains one IC, a 74HCU04B1, two resistors >> and a disc capacitor. >> >> There are a few wires making some changes to the PCB. On the 68008, a wire >> bridge joins pins 15 and 35. This link is joined via a 22pf cap to pin 13. >> >> On the 8301, pin 6 is joined to pins 11, 12, 30, 31 and 32 via five 1n4148 >> diodes. >> >> There are a few other small differences, no greater than the difference >> between an Iss.5 and Iss.7 board. >> >> Photos will be posted at http://www.nonstickglue.com/qlphotos/ in an hour >> or >> two. >> >> ... and the keyboard metal back plate was far thicker. Also the membrane > was more likely to be the good clear plastic type. > Unfortunately, although the 9D is the same as a PC, the pinout is different > - naturally as this was long before PCs had 9D ports. > > Tony > > > -- > QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) <+441442828255>+44(0)1442-828255<+441442828255> > t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk > Voice: <+441442828254>+44(0)1442-828254 <+441442828254> Fax: > <+441442828255>+44(0)1442-828255 <+441442828255> Skype: tonyfirshman >TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs...
Plastic wrote, on 13/Feb/11 06:57 | Feb13: Hi all. I have been looking at my US QL, and noting many differences from UK keyboards. Here's what I have seen so far. The PCB most resembles an Issue 7 board, but with some changes. The first apparent difference is the odd serial and joystick connectors were replaced by standard 9-pin D sockets. The case rear bottom shell was modified so the 4 sockets sit in a metal gasket which plugs the gap. The interior of the top and bottom case were metalised using a vapor deposition technique (the same one used to make toys or CDs shiny). Continuing this theme, a large ferrite ring cuts noise on a pair of wires in the power supply section, tucked under the heatsink. The ROMs are JSU, and are the plastic type. Weirdly, the $ was made in Korea, and the $8000 was made in Mexico. There is a small 2cm x 2.5cm daughter card stuck to the top of the on-board memory with 4 dabs of silicon. There are four wires coming from the board to various points on the PCB. It contains one IC, a 74HCU04B1, two resistors and a disc capacitor. There are a few wires making some changes to the PCB. On the 68008, a wire bridge joins pins 15 and 35. This link is joined via a 22pf cap to pin 13. On the 8301, pin 6 is joined to pins 11, 12, 30, 31 and 32 via five 1n4148 diodes. There are a few other small differences, no greater than the difference between an Iss.5 and Iss.7 board. Photos will be posted at http://www.nonstickglue.com/qlphotos/ in an hour or two. ... and the keyboard metal back plate was far thicker. Also the membrane was more likely to be the good clear plastic type. Unfortunately, although the 9D is the same as a PC, the pinout is different - naturally as this was long before PCs had 9D ports. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question
Plastic wrote, on 13/Feb/11 03:50 | Feb13: If there's enough demand, I would be happy to make a few of these boards - though they would be "prototype" PCBs and fairly expensive. Short run PCBs tend to run around $40 each just for the PCB. Everything else would be around $10. It might be easier to have more than one QL. He he - I have given up QL trading. .. but I could supply supply boards which give Minerva but not the 16k rom. (One can never escape). Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] UQLX On A Stick
It should be possible to install a version of Linux with UQLX on an USB stick so it either starts up with an icon so UQLX starts in Minerva with a reasonable size screen or boots up directly in that form. For ease of use the TK2 toolkit should be patched so that you can Lrespr at any time. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
