Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
On 2016-11-06 00:43, Geoff Wicks wrote: On 04/11/2016 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote: - Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. ___ QL-Users Mailing List I wonder whether the probem may be that Fred used some library routines that he would be legally entitled to use in his own programs, but which were not his copyright and thus he cannot release the code. Not sure whether or not this would affect releasing the file formatting though. Another thing that fascinates me is the compression routine for QTYP. Did TT use a standard routine? The reason is that the dictionaries page on my website has taken off with over 1,000 hits in the last quarter and it now comes high on the search engines. Most people are downloading the QTYP versions which indicates to me they are usable in other programs. Nice to know that work you did for the QL years ago is still relevant, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
In which case, you would assume he would notice? Surely? On 7 November 2016 13:42:16 GMT+00:00, Marcel Kilgus wrote: >Norman Dunbar wrote: >> It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank >> replies. I've had a couple recently. Are you aware of this? > >I guess John's web-mailer generates HTML replies with a text >attachment that does NOT include his answer. Then the list strips the >HTML part of the mail... > >Cheers, Marcel > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
On Mon, 7 Nov 2016, at 01:42 PM, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > Norman Dunbar wrote: > > It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank > > replies. I've had a couple recently. Are you aware of this? > > I guess John's web-mailer generates HTML replies with a text > attachment that does NOT include his answer. Then the list strips the > HTML part of the mail... > Only 15+ years of HTML email and still web "developers" cant get it right :-( Graeme ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Norman Dunbar wrote: > It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank > replies. I've had a couple recently. Are you aware of this? I guess John's web-mailer generates HTML replies with a text attachment that does NOT include his answer. Then the list strips the HTML part of the mail... Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Updated again today. There's a new tool to extract all known keywords. Not much use I admit, but I needed it myself. QPC commands have now been added based on Marcel's manual version 4.02 based on QPC 4.04. Enjoy. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
Hi John, It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank replies. I've had a couple recently. Are you aware of this? Cheers, Norm. On 7 November 2016 09:14:14 GMT+00:00, jms1 wrote: >On 2016-11-05 02:37, RWAP Software wrote: >> On 2016-11-04 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote: >>> - Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure >>> whether >>> I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, >>> Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. >>> I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. >>> ___ >>> QL-Users Mailing List >> >> Has anyone approached him recently to ask about publishing the >> information about the file format? >> >> I know he doesn't want to make Text87 freeware (you can still >> purchase it from Jochen I think) but the file format might be a good >> idea - assuming it isn't used in any other projects and that is >> why >> >> --- >> Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com >> >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
On 2016-11-05 02:37, RWAP Software wrote: On 2016-11-04 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote: - Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. ___ QL-Users Mailing List Has anyone approached him recently to ask about publishing the information about the file format? I know he doesn't want to make Text87 freeware (you can still purchase it from Jochen I think) but the file format might be a good idea - assuming it isn't used in any other projects and that is why --- Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Afternoon Ian, long time no speak! On 06/11/16 13:32, Ian Burkinshaw wrote: Where is you pdf regarding the Atmel AtTiny85 located for download. Sounds interesting. It's located on the Atmel web site. The direct link to the PDF data sheet is http://www.atmel.com/images/atmel-2586-avr-8-bit-microcontroller-attiny25-attiny45-attiny85_datasheet.pdf. You can use the Arduino software to program the '85 but you'll need some additional board info files installing as per http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk/blog/2015/09/getting-arduino-working-from-a-windows-7-virtualbox-guest/ - scroll down to the section on AtTiny85 Devices for the details. HTH Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: 27a Lidget Hill Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7LG Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Hi Norman Where is you pdf regarding the Atmel AtTiny85 located for download. Sounds interesting. Ian - Original Message - From: "Norman Dunbar" To: Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual. Hi Geoff, On 04/11/16 18:45, Geoff Wicks wrote: One things that has not had sufficient attention is that the new version of the SuperBasic manual is not only online, but is also downloadable in three different formats. Pdf is a massive 2.16MB, Rich's original announcement did mention the ability to download it on his webpage at www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online where it mentions being able to download PDF, HTML or Epub versions. For context, re file sizes, my PDF for the Atmel AtTiny85 micro-controller is 234 pages and 3.8 Mb in size. The SuperBASIC Manual in PDF is currently, as of November 4th, 944 pages and is only 2.2 Mb in size. That's not bad for 4 times the number of pages at 0.57 times the size. ;-) But, it will be getting bigger .. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: 27a Lidget Hill Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7LG Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
On 04/11/2016 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote: - Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. ___ QL-Users Mailing List I wonder whether the probem may be that Fred used some library routines that he would be legally entitled to use in his own programs, but which were not his copyright and thus he cannot release the code. Not sure whether or not this would affect releasing the file formatting though. Another thing that fascinates me is the compression routine for QTYP. Did TT use a standard routine? The reason is that the dictionaries page on my website has taken off with over 1,000 hits in the last quarter and it now comes high on the search engines. Most people are downloading the QTYP versions which indicates to me they are usable in other programs. Nice to know that work you did for the QL years ago is still relevant, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
Hi Geoff, On 04/11/16 18:45, Geoff Wicks wrote: One things that has not had sufficient attention is that the new version of the SuperBasic manual is not only online, but is also downloadable in three different formats. Pdf is a massive 2.16MB, Rich's original announcement did mention the ability to download it on his webpage at www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online where it mentions being able to download PDF, HTML or Epub versions. For context, re file sizes, my PDF for the Atmel AtTiny85 micro-controller is 234 pages and 3.8 Mb in size. The SuperBASIC Manual in PDF is currently, as of November 4th, 944 pages and is only 2.2 Mb in size. That's not bad for 4 times the number of pages at 0.57 times the size. ;-) But, it will be getting bigger .. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: 27a Lidget Hill Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7LG Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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This seems a bit like Barry Ansell, who wrote PD3. He do not want to make it public, instead say to Dilwyn to delete all things from him. Even if PD3 wasn't bug free. As far as I know, I have bought the last licence of T97 from QBranch. No other is available. - Original Message - From: "RWAP Software" On 2016-11-04 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote: - Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. ___ QL-Users Mailing List Has anyone approached him recently to ask about publishing the information about the file format? I know he doesn't want to make Text87 freeware (you can still purchase it from Jochen I think) but the file format might be a good idea - assuming it isn't used in any other projects and that is why ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
On 2016-11-04 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote: - Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. ___ QL-Users Mailing List Has anyone approached him recently to ask about publishing the information about the file format? I know he doesn't want to make Text87 freeware (you can still purchase it from Jochen I think) but the file format might be a good idea - assuming it isn't used in any other projects and that is why --- Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
- Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
On 04/11/2016 08:57, RWAP Software wrote: On 2016-11-03 20:12, Norman Dunbar wrote: Evening Marcel, Up until I added the DJToolkit entries, everything else was as Rich's original. So the cease and desists should be pointed in his direction! ;-) When I have time, unless anyone else does it first, I'll see if I can add in your other QPC commands and maybe the ones from Smsqemulator as recently updated by Wolfgang. Lunch hours are few and far between right now a I have a huge migration of an Oracle system from Solaris to "the cloud" as my raisin d'etre (!) At the moment. I suppose I better do a "how to" just on the off chance that anyone is interested in updating the manual! And I had noticed your links on QLForum too! I was glad to see good use being made of my hard work, but obviously huge thanks must be directed at Rich for the original work. I'm merely taking the glory for the work of others! The SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference Manual was of course a huge project - whilst there were originally 3 of us involved in writing it (myself, Franz Hermann and Peter Jaeger), I took on the mantel before its original publication, and it was then published in 2 large A4 ring binders, over 1500 pages in total; but released in that format to make it possible to issue updates. We released 4 updates to the original over the years, and then it was converted to PDF and sold on CD-ROM, but I ran out of time and resources to do any more updates to the manual, so there are probably a lot of commands and information which could still be added (for example, changes to SMSQ/e since about 2010). The conversion to HTML format as a community project which could be easily updated by all then made the next sensible step, but with the manual written in Text87 format, this required a lot of re-formatting, which has now been done to a very high standard, thanks to tools originally written by myself and (Geoff Wicks I seem to recall), and then improved on by Norman to whom I am very much grateful. Now is the time for everyone else to start updating and contributing to the manual to keep it current and ensure that it remains the must have reference to SuperBASIC programming knowledge. Rich Mellor www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to, but flattering to know I might have been. Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting. One things that has not had sufficient attention is that the new version of the SuperBasic manual is not only online, but is also downloadable in three different formats. Pdf is a massive 2.16MB, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
On 2016-11-03 20:12, Norman Dunbar wrote: Evening Marcel, Up until I added the DJToolkit entries, everything else was as Rich's original. So the cease and desists should be pointed in his direction! ;-) When I have time, unless anyone else does it first, I'll see if I can add in your other QPC commands and maybe the ones from Smsqemulator as recently updated by Wolfgang. Lunch hours are few and far between right now a I have a huge migration of an Oracle system from Solaris to "the cloud" as my raisin d'etre (!) At the moment. I suppose I better do a "how to" just on the off chance that anyone is interested in updating the manual! And I had noticed your links on QLForum too! I was glad to see good use being made of my hard work, but obviously huge thanks must be directed at Rich for the original work. I'm merely taking the glory for the work of others! The SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference Manual was of course a huge project - whilst there were originally 3 of us involved in writing it (myself, Franz Hermann and Peter Jaeger), I took on the mantel before its original publication, and it was then published in 2 large A4 ring binders, over 1500 pages in total; but released in that format to make it possible to issue updates. We released 4 updates to the original over the years, and then it was converted to PDF and sold on CD-ROM, but I ran out of time and resources to do any more updates to the manual, so there are probably a lot of commands and information which could still be added (for example, changes to SMSQ/e since about 2010). The conversion to HTML format as a community project which could be easily updated by all then made the next sensible step, but with the manual written in Text87 format, this required a lot of re-formatting, which has now been done to a very high standard, thanks to tools originally written by myself and (Geoff Wicks I seem to recall), and then improved on by Norman to whom I am very much grateful. Now is the time for everyone else to start updating and contributing to the manual to keep it current and ensure that it remains the must have reference to SuperBASIC programming knowledge. Rich Mellor www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
Evening Marcel, Up until I added the DJToolkit entries, everything else was as Rich's original. So the cease and desists should be pointed in his direction! ;-) When I have time, unless anyone else does it first, I'll see if I can add in your other QPC commands and maybe the ones from Smsqemulator as recently updated by Wolfgang. Lunch hours are few and far between right now a I have a huge migration of an Oracle system from Solaris to "the cloud" as my raisin d'etre (!) At the moment. I suppose I better do a "how to" just on the off chance that anyone is interested in updating the manual! And I had noticed your links on QLForum too! I was glad to see good use being made of my hard work, but obviously huge thanks must be directed at Rich for the original work. I'm merely taking the glory for the work of others! Cheers, Norm. On 3 November 2016 17:36:18 GMT+00:00, Marcel Kilgus wrote: >Norman Dunbar wrote: >> The Online SuperBASIC manual at: >> >> http://superbasic-manual.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > >Good work, Norman. In the short time it has been online, I've linked >at least 3 times to it. Of course you all will hear from my lawyer >with a cease and desist for describing all my CD_ command and then an >anti-competitive complaint because the other QPC commands aren't >included :-D > >No really, much appreciated. Reading the foreword I see that Rich >already had put up a HTML version before, but that somehow didn't >really register with me. So anyway, thanks to everyone involved. > >Cheers, Marcel > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
Norman Dunbar wrote: > The Online SuperBASIC manual at: > > http://superbasic-manual.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ Good work, Norman. In the short time it has been online, I've linked at least 3 times to it. Of course you all will hear from my lawyer with a cease and desist for describing all my CD_ command and then an anti-competitive complaint because the other QPC commands aren't included :-D No really, much appreciated. Reading the foreword I see that Rich already had put up a HTML version before, but that somehow didn't really register with me. So anyway, thanks to everyone involved. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.
The Online SuperBASIC manual at: http://superbasic-manual.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ has been updated to correct a few minor formatting problems with the introductory chapters and the appendices, well, some of them. I've also added in the descriptions of all the routines to be found in the truly wonderful DJToolkit (version 1.16) which Dilwyn probably thinks is the best QL toolkit of all time. ;-) Enjoy. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: 27a Lidget Hill Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7LG Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On 2016-10-24 17:27, Norman Dunbar wrote: For those not watching the QL Forum [and why not? :-)], Rich recently posted this Following a lot of work by Norman, the community edition of the SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual is now available at: http://superbasic-manual.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ There are some background notes which appear at: www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online The sources are now on a Github repository - https://github.com/NormanDunbar/SuperBASIC-Manual, although it is best to fork this, make any changes and then do a fork request to get them incorporated back into the original. Just in time for the RWAP Software 30th Anniversary too? :D Read the introductory notes first, you will learn how you can download html, epub or pdf versions. Cheers, Norm. ___ QL-Users Mailing List