Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-17 Thread Geogwilt
In a message dated 15/10/03 17:29:57 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 15/10/03 07:11:12 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2 - the sources have everything needed but an Assembler to be readily compiled. You never know. Even that might change. (An

Re: [ql-users] SMSQDOS licence

2003-10-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:15:49 +, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 at 21:46:27, Timothy Swenson wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I've sort of been following the discussion of the SMSQ/E license (yet again). So have I, but a great deal of the discussion seems to expand

Re: [ql-users] SMSQDOS licence

2003-10-17 Thread John Taylor
Under UK tax laws. Non profit organisations are taxed on any profit they make unless they are a registered charity. Quanta is a first class example. Quanta is a Friendly Society and can only trade internally ie. with it's members. Any profit it makes from investments like bank interest is taxed

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-17 Thread Bill Waugh
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:57, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Above statement is formally credited as Copyright (C) Roy Wood

Re: [ql-users] SMSQDOS licence

2003-10-17 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 11:01:05, =?iso-8859-7?B?IlBob2VidXMgUi4gRG9rb3MgKNbv3+Lv8iDRLiDN9Pzq7/IpIg==?= wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:15:49 +, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 at 21:46:27, Timothy Swenson wrote: (ref: [EMAIL

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-17 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:57, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Above statement is formally credited as Copyright (C) Roy Wood sometime in the last 3 years :o| Do you think Roy would ... licence it? Wolfgang No, it is open source ! -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:38:59 +0100, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:57, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Above statement is formally credited as Copyright (C) Roy Wood sometime in the last 3 years :o| Do you think Roy would ...

[ql-users] QL Today - very nice!

2003-10-17 Thread James Hunkins
Just got the new QL Today - very nice. Now for the problem, work on QDT or read and play? How to make such a decision! OK, so I should work on QDT for now and then read and play instead of sleeping later tonight. Did want to say though the the layout looks very nice, lots of interesting

Re: [ql-users] QL Today - very nice!

2003-10-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:01:28 -0700, James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got the new QL Today - very nice. Now for the problem, work on QDT or read and play? How to make such a decision! OK, so I should work on QDT for now and then read and play instead of sleeping later tonight.

[ql-users] SMSQDOS licence

2003-10-16 Thread Arnould Nazarian
Hello, I was there in Eindhoven when there was a small meeting about what to do now that Tony Tebby was ready to show the source code of SMSQ/E. I was the first to speak and I said that IMO 15 years of work of TT should be legally protected so that he could benefit from the development of a

Re: [ql-users] SMSQDOS licence

2003-10-16 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Arnould Nazarian makes some magical things to make me read } Hello, } } I was there in Eindhoven when there was a small meeting about what to do } now that Tony Tebby was ready to show the source code of SMSQ/E. } } I was the first to speak and I said that IMO 15 years of work of TT } should

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-16 Thread wlenerz
On 16 Oct 2003 at 3:31, Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντό wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:46:55 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You fail to see the argument. Linux (or anything else) if its license is already a Free Software License by definition it cannot be turned into something that is NOT

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-16 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:17:30 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Oct 2003 at 3:31, Phoebus R. Dokos ( . wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:46:55 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You fail to see the argument. Linux (or anything else) if its license is already a Free Software License by definition it

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-16 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Do I hear the sound of rattles being thrown out of prams once more, children? Hey, I got told off when I said that ! -- Roy Wood I remember it being said first time round, couldn't remember who said it. Thought it might be worth throwing into the melting pot once more. Above statement is

Re: [ql-users] error lines

2003-10-16 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Thank you. $C8 is described in my book as number of watched WHEN variables It doesn't matter that it doesn't work on QDOS, it is only for my own debugging use on QPC2. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ql-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent

Re: [ql-users] error lines

2003-10-16 Thread Dilwyn Jones
: Re: [ql-users] error lines On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:22:32 +0100, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how to get the statement number within a line when an error occurs? Obviously, ROMs which support ERLIN return the line number. It would be helpful to get the statement

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-16 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Not Darren's fault... It's not indeed an Irishman ;-) The fault is all Rich's :-) I was asking him if he knew of any proper (ie not speaking American English) Tweenies DVDs for the daughter (She's a big fan :-) and he told me that there's one with Dilwyn... Needless to say that I made a

Re: [ql-users] DJC 16

2003-10-16 Thread Derek Stewart
Hi Dilwyn, I like 10 pint jokes, that is you need 10 pints of beer to appreciate them. Derek - Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] DJC 16 The reg number DJC seems to have

Re: [ql-users] error lines

2003-10-16 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Dilwyn Jones wrote: $C8 is described in my book as number of watched WHEN variables Those area of the BV are pretty OS specific. keys_sbasic is the file you're looking for (although I'm usually nice enough to look them up ;) EVERY programmer should have the keys directory of the SMSQ/E

Re: [ql-users] error lines

2003-10-16 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Dilwyn Jones wrote: Well, it wasn't the error tables I wanted. It was which statement in a line of basic caused the error. Launchpad's accessory programs are written in compiled BASIC and there are some multi-statement lines causing me problems. The variables I mentioned probably don't work

[ql-users] QL Hardware.

2003-10-16 Thread John Sadler
Just a thought Would it be possible to adapt the QL Operating system so it could run on an Apple Mac machine? If so could this solve our hardware problems?

[ql-users] Re SMSQ Gwass

2003-10-16 Thread John Sadler
Yes of course there are (and for the Atari, too). I'm not saying that all versions for all machines should be entirelyequal. What I do want, is that all machine should be able to recompile allversions, so that you can use any one of the machines to compile all versions.Why insist in

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-16 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?utf-8?B?IlBob2VidXMgUi4gRG9rb3MgKM6mzr/Or86yzr/PgiDOoS4gzp3PhM+Mzro=?= =?utf-8?B?zr/Pgiki?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Exactly right but the quest for code uniformity imposed by both the structure of the license and choices make it impossible for SMSQ/E to be that

Re: [ql-users] QL Hardware.

2003-10-16 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:49:52 +0100, John Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a thought Would it be possible to adapt the QL Operating system so it could run on an Apple Mac machine? If so could this solve our hardware problems? Hi John, what kind of an Apple machine? An older Mac (68K)?

Re: [ql-users] Re SMSQ Gwass

2003-10-16 Thread Marcel Kilgus
John Sadler wrote: I do not get the impression that the new versions of Marcel Kilgus programs will run on older machines. Of course they do. Wolfgang put together a new PE that provides compatibility with the new facilities. Marcel

Re: [ql-users] SMSQDOS licence

2003-10-16 Thread Joachim Van der Auwera
Q1: If SMSQ/E was distributed under this GPL licence and someone would take it to develop a successfull product, TT would have no rights on it. True or false? What do you mean by rights? He would have as much copyright as he has now. As the code would be under GPL licence, there could not be

Re: [ql-users] QL Hardware.

2003-10-16 Thread Joachim Van der Auwera
There could be even an almost direct adaptation by using MicroAPL's tools (PortAsm) url:http://www.microapl.co.uk/ on the QDOS Sources to convert them to PowerPC assembly and then fill in the bits and pieces. I don't think that is true. Much of the power of SMSQ/E comes from some subtile

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-16 Thread wlenerz
On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:57, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Above statement is formally credited as Copyright (C) Roy Wood sometime in the last 3 years :o| Do you think Roy would ... licence it? Wolfgang

Re: [ql-users] error lines

2003-10-16 Thread wlenerz
On 16 Oct 2003 at 15:52, Marcel Kilgus wrote: Dilwyn Jones wrote: Well, it wasn't the error tables I wanted. It was which statement in a line of basic caused the error. Launchpad's accessory programs are written in compiled BASIC and there are some multi-statement lines causing me

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 22:13, Peter Graf wrote: . I also think Marcel and Wolfgang work hard. Wolfgang does it without financial reward, a fact that has my full respect and appreciation. I hope that those Q40/Q60 developers who, unlike me, see enough reason to follow Marcel's SMSQ/E route,

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 18:44, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Do I hear the sound of rattles being thrown out of prams once more, children? rattle, rattle For goodness's sake, bury the hatchets now (and I don't mean in each other's heads). grin This is rapidly turning into another all too public

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 14:52, Jerome Grimbert wrote: Oh, excuse-me, but I'm only using (and developping it too) on Q40. I won't call that a waste! No, it isn't, of course not. Wolfgang

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 12:06, Fabrizio Diversi wrote: Again, It should be clear that I am not an expert on this matter , i do not have any special expertise . Perhaps - but at least you TRY (and succeed) to do something with the sources. Just one think , I have as my hobby to play with QL and

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 20:28, Tarquin Mills wrote: (...) I like the QL because it (the QL community) is in general polite and friendly. Yes, that's true - and it makes the occasional storm only stand out that much stronger. But, always the optimist, I hope that this might clear the air for a

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 13:55, Bill Cable wrote: (...) I knew the QL was very special the first time I switch it on and am pleased to see it receive credit as a key motivator for the Open Source Movement. :-) Just to put a further cat amongt the pigeons (I'm in a provocative mood today), let me

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) Forget this idea. I never sold nor trusted Q60 SMSQ/E versions after Tony Tebby. I can understand that you didn't sell any. But not trust any newer version? Do you mean there are, what, timebombs in the code? Somebody, on purpose,

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:11:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Oct 2003 at 22:13, Peter Graf wrote: . snip To some extent, QPC and Qx0 might be seen as competing with each other, (I've heard this being said) even though, for me, they are definitely not. I do not think that the Qx0 and QPC

[ql-users] Q40 Rom

2003-10-15 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Hello, I will provide a lot of details just to request a small information! This is mainly for hardware people... The provided Eprom with the Q40 are two 27C1024, making it for 256KB. Looking at my latest SMSQ/E (which must be 3.01), the current size of the file might be only a few KB short to

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:11:17 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Oct 2003 at 13:55, Bill Cable wrote: (...) I knew the QL was very special the first time I switch it on and am pleased to see it receive credit as a key motivator for the Open Source Movement. :-) Just to put a further cat

Re: [ql-users] Q40 Rom

2003-10-15 Thread Fabrizio Diversi
I am interested too, I would like to add also why not useflash eprom. Hoping in an answer . FabrizioJerome Grimbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I will provide a lot of details just to request a small information!This is mainly for hardware people...The provided Eprom with the Q40 are two

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Forwarded answer from Peter to my last mail, posted with his agreement. I leave it at that. --- Marcel wrote: But if I asked for the Qx0 schematics (the equivalent of my software in the hardware world), would you give them to me? Yes of course, as soon as my turnover breaks even with my

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Dilwyn Jones wrote: The two programs running in the background are DirectCD and AVG anti-virus. Anti-virus programs are always a source of trouble and sometimes big slow-downs. Marcel

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-15 Thread Darren . Branagh
- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: QL Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:05, Phoebus R. Dokos (è á. ç) wrote: I do not think that the Qx0 and QPC are directly competing with each but they do indirectly. To explain: Basing an OS around an emulator, tempts users to totally abandon hardware for software only. Oh boy, do I disagree with

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 10:29, Dilwyn Jones wrote: That implies the rattle is still in your hand and not yet been thrown, right? No, it's the echo. (...) This IS a subject that affects many (perhaps even all) of us. As long as something constructive comes out of it (e.g. agreement on updated

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:59, Phoebus R. Dokos (è á. ç) wrote: (...) The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). SMSQE - OK The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. SMSQE OK

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:05, Phoebus R. Dokos (è á. ç) wrote: (all cut) Just a very quick reply to one point.; I'll probably rply to more of this later. There is NOTHING - in the licence - in what I have ever said that stops you from developping code specific to a machine. You want to

[ql-users] error lines

2003-10-15 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Anyone know how to get the statement number within a line when an error occurs? Obviously, ROMs which support ERLIN return the line number. It would be helpful to get the statement number as well for debugging purposes - what I'd like is for my debugging routine to return something like: REPORT

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:37:50 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. As far as I know, I never said a word. Actually, I'd forgotten about it to be honest!! Cheers, Not Darren's fault... It's not indeed an Irishman ;-) The fault is all Rich's :-) I was asking him if he knew of any proper (ie

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:58:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:05, Phoebus R. Dokos ( . ) wrote: (all cut) snip more I have repeatedly stated on this list that OF COURSE I would include code that beneftis only one machine - provided, it is not done in such a way to

Re: [ql-users] error lines

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:22:32 +0100, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how to get the statement number within a line when an error occurs? Obviously, ROMs which support ERLIN return the line number. It would be helpful to get the statement number as well for debugging purposes -

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 15 Oct 2003, at 10:56, Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντό wrote: (...) Well that's restriction 1... As seen below you have to be able to distribute legitimate copies both in binary and in source form so... it's not OK That's the restriction, alright. (...) To your (*) that alone breaks

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
throw a really Free SMSQ/E on say Savannah or SourceForge you will get at least 10 or 20 people to have a look-see. If you win half (sic!) of them you gained a potential whole new tree of QL users (and developers). Point 5. A publicly available CVS server gives any project the air of maintenance

[ql-users] DJC 16

2003-10-15 Thread Derek Stewart
Hi, I was going up the M6 in England, last week just North of Stoke to see my girlfriend, when a red Porsche flew pasted me with the registration number DJC 16 I wondered where Dilwyn was going in such a rush. Derek

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Roy wood wrote: There were one or two teething problems when the code changed to incorporate the faster memory but there were in the original code and just shown up by the new code. (That is right isn't it Marcel?). If you're referring to the RECHP problem you're right, I suspect the problem

[ql-users] QPAC

2003-10-15 Thread Christopher Cave
For some time now, the JOBS facility under QPAC2 has indicated corrupt memory for all jobs. Naturally this has made me a bit suspicious of some of my programming but I have now tackled the problem and find that the problem persists even when booting with the following: LRESPR

Re: [ql-users] DJC 16

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:05:16 +0100, Derek Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was going up the M6 in England, last week just North of Stoke to see my girlfriend, when a red Porsche flew pasted me with the registration number DJC 16 I wondered where Dilwyn was going in such a rush. Derek

Re: [ql-users] QPAC

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Christopher Cave wrote: This is under QPC2 v3.03, SMSQ/E v2.99, QPCA2 v1.38 JOBS v1.02. Any bright ideas? Should I have upgraded QPAC2 sometime? Yes. Marcel

Re: [ql-users] QPAC

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 21:53, Christopher Cave wrote: Any bright ideas? Should I have upgraded QPAC2 sometime? Oh yes, ask your supplier to send you a new version of QPAC2 Wolfgang

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 3:13, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (...) Yes, if I was motivated by $$$ I would have left the scene several years ago, I'd have to sell at least 1 QPC per hour to really make it commercially viable for me. But writing computer software is my only income and therefore I must somehow

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread wlenerz
On 13 Oct 2003 at 23:11, Peter Graf wrote: Well and we felt we walked 100 miles toward a compromise while you didn't move an inch. Fortunately enough, then, the amendments to the licence, in reply to your requests (and those of others) have been done publicly, in this forum, so I'll let

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread wlenerz
On 13 Oct 2003 at 21:35, John Taylor wrote: Mutual admiration societies achieve nothing. There are differences of opinion in almost all aspects of QL computing. The 'licence' is just one of them. Long may this continue. All we have to do is just keep pushing. Perhaps, though, some

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread wlenerz
On 13 Oct 2003 at 15:58, Phoebus R. Dokos (è á. ç) wrote: As for Wolfgang's comments I would respectfully disagree. Well, at least we can agree to disagree :-). As I said earlier it's anyone's choice how much they value their principles. Maybe Peter (and I do not speak for him

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-14 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Marcel Kilgus makes some magical things to make me read } Jerome Grimbert wrote: } I have not yet seen the block operation in C for 24 bits colours... } } http://www.itimpi.freeserve.co.uk/ql/gd2b.zip } } iow_blkt ( chanid_t channel, timeout_t timeout, GDSTP_t *, QLRECT_t *rect) Ok, will have

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread pgraf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This lack of common ground seems to stem from the fact that you prefer to profit from developments made for other systems (eg. Marcel's new wman etc) and not chip in anything of your own. I never used any version of SMSQ/E after those from Tony Tebby, so

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 10:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) Most Q60 users??? AFAIKS the number of Q60 users who requested _upgrade_ of SMSQ/E binaries to _your_ versions is ZERO in about one and a half year. Which proves total failure of your only through reseller concept. Sure SMSQ/E is

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-14 Thread Geogwilt
In a message dated 13/10/03 13:25:15 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Further to my earlier email, I could, if that is wished, publish the changes_txt file here on the list.Any opinions on that, anyone? Good idea! George

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Fabrizio Diversi
Again, It should be clear that I am not an expert on this matter , i do not have any special expertise . Just one think , I have as my "hobby" to play with QL and its derivatives. I bought a QL in '84, then I boughteverything related to it : egGoldCard, QXl etc etc . I have all the emulator etc,

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread SMSQ
Most Q60 users??? AFAIKS the number of Q60 users who requested _upgrade_ of SMSQ/E binaries to _your_ versions is ZERO in about one and a half year. Which proves total failure of your only through reseller concept. Sure SMSQ/E is still used on most Q60, but this is for 99% an achievement of

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-14 Thread Geogwilt
In a message dated 13/10/03 19:36:32 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: iow_blkt ( chanid_t channel, timeout_t timeout, GDSTP_t *, QLRECT_t *rect) This command, and all the others connected with GD2 were put into C68 in April 2001.I certainly have these in my C68 library and have used

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Jerome Grimbert
SMSQ makes some magical things to make me read } Sure SMSQ/E is still used on most Q60, but this is for 99% an achievement } of Tony Tebby and not your new facilities. } } Well, if that is REALLY the case, then both you two, Marcel and } Wolfgang, completely wasted your time for the last 1

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Jochen Merz (SMSQ)
Jerome Grimbert wrote: SMSQ makes some magical things to make me read } Sure SMSQ/E is still used on most Q60, but this is for 99% an achievement } of Tony Tebby and not your new facilities. } } Well, if that is REALLY the case, then both you two, Marcel and } Wolfgang, completely wasted your

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Jerome Grimbert wrote: Oh, excuse-me, but I'm only using (and developping it too) on Q40. I won't call that a waste! Of course not. It's not Jochen who actually suggested that NO Qx0 user uses the new SMSQ/E. If that was the case, we could really have saved a lot of time. Obviously this

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread pgraf
Marcel Kilgus wrote: Well, Peter sells hardware, of course he wouldn't mind the software being totally free. I never asked for SMSQ/E to be free of charge for me, or to indirectly reduce overall Q60 costs, as you seem to allude. As a matter of fact, I had offered compensation for Tony Tebby

[ql-users] defragment

2003-10-14 Thread Dilwyn Jones
I need a spot of advice on a Windows/PC related subject, so any replies send to me privately, please, if you think they'll cause offence on this list. There is a slight QPC angle to this (see below) which I hope someone can explain. As my PC has slowed down and some programs needing large files

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Dilwyn Jones
and Marcel, Tony, Jochen, Wolfgang and all with the OS. That's all we needed to know. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: SMSQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor Most Q60

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread pgraf
Marcel Kilgus wrote: Jerome Grimbert wrote: Oh, excuse-me, but I'm only using (and developping it too) on Q40. I won't call that a waste! Of course not. It's not Jochen who actually suggested that NO Qx0 user uses the new SMSQ/E. If that was the case, we could really have saved a lot

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-14 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:50:50 +0100, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a spot of advice on a Windows/PC related subject, so any replies send to me privately, please, if you think they'll cause offence on this list. There is a slight QPC angle to this (see below) which I hope someone

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-14 Thread Peter Graf
Bill wrote: [snip] I don't have a problem with the current way SMSQ/E is managed and I know the people involved work hard with little monetary reward. I think an open source model would work better but that is just my opinion. Open source is not against there being proprietary software for

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Tarquin Mills
Phoebus Dokos wrote: As revealed and by Geoff's long article publicised here a little while ago, rifts and factions are plaguing the QL community for a long time. Please can someone email off list with details of the disagreement in 1996. As to the argument, I think this argument (free v

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Marcel Kilgus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Peter sells hardware, of course he wouldn't mind the software being totally free. I never asked for SMSQ/E to be free of charge for me, or to indirectly reduce overall Q60 costs, as you seem to allude. In no way I wanted to imply that you are a cheapskate or

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-14 Thread Marcel Kilgus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course not. It's not Jochen who actually suggested that NO Qx0 user uses the new SMSQ/E. If that was the case, we could really have saved a lot of time. Obviously this assertion is, to speak plainly, rubbish. So read _exactly_ what I wrote, before using nice words.

Re: [ql-users] What printers do people use with their QL??

2003-10-13 Thread Darren . Branagh
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] What printers do people use with r.net their QL?? Sent

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-13 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Jerome Grimbert wrote: Is there any uptodate Web page listing the know/resolved bugs with version (sort of changes.txt, with pending bugs listed as extra). Normally http://www.kilgus.net/qpc/versionssms.html should be up-to-date (though due to some special circumstances this time it isn't yet.

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-13 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Marcel Kilgus makes some magical things to make me read } } Jerome Grimbert wrote: } Is there any uptodate Web page listing the know/resolved bugs with version } (sort of changes.txt, with pending bugs listed as extra). } } Normally http://www.kilgus.net/qpc/versionssms.html should be }

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread wlenerz
On 11 Oct 2003 at 23:17, Peter Graf wrote: (...) Q60 Successor: (...) After the departure of Tony Tebby, I see no basis for projects like this anymore, because there's no common ground with the new SMSQ/E maintainers, Well of course not, you never tried to find one. and at the same

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-13 Thread wlenerz
On 13 Oct 2003 at 8:51, Jerome Grimbert wrote: Is there any uptodate Web page listing the know/resolved bugs with version (sort of changes.txt, with pending bugs listed as extra). No, not to my knowledge. I do keep a list of bugs that are sent to me/published here on the list. Yours will be

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Fabrizio Diversi makes some magical things to make me read } Just a thought about what a pity,( I am now in the lunch break...) } one year later after sms/e sources new license, and for a lot of reason that I do not understand (!!) nothing was done on the Q40 side, not because missing of

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-13 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Jerome Grimbert wrote: I have not yet seen the block operation in C for 24 bits colours... http://www.itimpi.freeserve.co.uk/ql/gd2b.zip iow_blkt ( chanid_t channel, timeout_t timeout, GDSTP_t *, QLRECT_t *rect) Means I will have to enter debug/patch kernel mode before continuing the

Re: [ql-users] What printers do people use with their QL??

2003-10-13 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] What printers do people use with their QL?? My solution regarding postscript would also very much solve the problem for Qxx. SGC is probably too slow or doesn't have enough memory to run Ghostscript

Re: [ql-users] What printers do people use with their QL??

2003-10-13 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:56:26 +0100, gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] What printers do people use with their QL?? My solution regarding postscript would also very much solve the problem for Qxx. SGC

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:48:32 +0200 (MET DST), Jerome Grimbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fabrizio Diversi makes some magical things to make me read } Just a thought about what a pity,( I am now in the lunch break...) } one year later after sms/e sources new license, and for a lot of reason that

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread John Taylor
Well I think that this whole discussion is an overkill. We did it before but it may be useful to see things a little more removed from the heat now :-) Phoebus Mutual admiration societies achieve nothing. There are differences of opinion in almost all aspects of QL computing. The 'licence'

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:35:50 +0100, John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think that this whole discussion is an overkill. We did it before but it may be useful to see things a little more removed from the heat now :-) Phoebus Mutual admiration societies achieve nothing. There are

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread Peter Graf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11 Oct 2003 at 23:17, Peter Graf wrote: (...) Q60 Successor: (...) After the departure of Tony Tebby, I see no basis for projects like this anymore, because there's no common ground with the new SMSQ/E maintainers, Well of course not, you never tried to find

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:41:37 +0200, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Nobody is stopping anybody from releasing a piece of code under 2 licenses. That is not possible under any legal agreement. It's other one or the other especially for GPL style licenses as the premise is so

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-13 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Phoebus R. Dokos (F??ß?? ?. ?t) wrote: That is not possible under any legal agreement. It's other one or the other especially for GPL style licenses as the premise is so different that it is impossible to do so. I can release my software under any number of licences I chose to do. I can

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-12 Thread Geogwilt
In a message dated 24/09/03 19:33:23 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll try to pick up all bugs reported.Wolfgang Here is another bug in SMSQ/E. 1. SMSQ/E v3.01 on Q40/60 WM_PAPER, WM_INK etc find the WMAN vector (for the new WM.TRAP3) by using IOP.PINF which puts it into A1.

Re: [ql-users] What printers do people use with their QL??

2003-10-12 Thread Roy wood
All this talk of printers for the QL has been quite interesting and I would have joined in earlier except that Demon's mail server has been playing up and some of the messages have been severely delayed. If anyone wants a laser printer that will work with most QL programs they should look into

Re: [ql-users] Bugs

2003-10-12 Thread Marcel Kilgus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. SMSQ/E v3.01 on Q40/60 WM_PAPER, WM_INK etc find the WMAN vector (for the new WM.TRAP3) by using IOP.PINF which puts it into A1. Unfortunately this is done before getting the parameters. This means that if a parameter is an expression, so that its value is on

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