qmail Digest 29 Jul 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 1077

2000-07-29 Thread qmail-digest-help


qmail Digest 29 Jul 2000 10:00:01 - Issue 1077

Topics (messages 45724 through 45798):

Re: qmail-1.03 on Solaris is broken
45724 by: Toens Bueker
45727 by: Andrew Richards

Re: qmail  SSL
45725 by: Miroslav Tempir

qmail  mailstart
45726 by: Lydia
45732 by: Dave Sill

message has wrong owner
45728 by: Anders Kvist
45735 by: Dave Sill

Problem building qmail from qmail-1.03+patches-14.src.rpm
45729 by: Adrian Head
45734 by: Chris, the Young One
45738 by: Chris, the Young One

Re: incorrect date..
45730 by: Greg Owen

Re: void main
45731 by: Jan Echternach

Qmail filtering
45733 by: Tyler J. Frederick
45737 by: Petr Novotny

Not getting mail from smtpd
45736 by: Craig L. Ching
45745 by: Dave Sill
45748 by: Craig L. Ching
45749 by: Chris, the Young One
45751 by: Dave Sill
45753 by: Craig L. Ching
45755 by: Dave Sill
45765 by: Craig L. Ching

Re: Clean queue
45739 by: Paul Jarc

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!
45740 by: Paul Jarc
45770 by: Peter van Dijk

Re: local-test sends to internet
45741 by: Bruno Wolff III

Handy way to restart qmail
45742 by: Harry Putnam
45743 by: Petr Novotny
45744 by: Dave Sill
45758 by: Harry Putnam
45760 by: Adam McKenna
45761 by: Dave Sill
45763 by: Einar Bordewich
45777 by: Harry Putnam

AMaViS Problems Someone please help.
45746 by: Jeremy Fowler
45754 by: Rainer Link

kill -9 (was Re: Handy way to restart qmail)
45747 by: Chris, the Young One
45750 by: James Raftery

Re: dot-qmail deliver help
45752 by: Einar Bordewich
45762 by: Uwe Ohse
45768 by: Einar Bordewich

stats from qmailanalog
45756 by: flitcraft33
45759 by: Dave Sill
45764 by: Kevin Bucknum

The famous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
45757 by: Einar Bordewich
45766 by: markd.bushwire.net
45767 by: Chris, the Young One
45769 by: Einar Bordewich
45771 by: Einar Bordewich
45772 by: markd.bushwire.net
45779 by: MichaelG.RxAmerica.com
45780 by: markd.bushwire.net
45781 by: Einar Bordewich

SMTP and POP3 connections take too long
45773 by: net admin
45774 by: Charles Cazabon

Mailing list performance question
45775 by: Fernando Costa de Almeida
45778 by: David Dyer-Bennet

user accounts and groups for the qmail binaries and such
45776 by: wolfgang zeikat
45783 by: Chris, the Young One

using RBLSMTPD env var
45782 by: Jon Rust
45785 by: Adam McKenna
45786 by: Chris, the Young One
45787 by: Jon Rust
45788 by: Jon Rust
45789 by: Einar Bordewich
45790 by: Chris, the Young One
45791 by: Jon Rust

conf-split size on different FS's
45784 by: tony.corp.quepasa.com

rcpthosts, relaying, and tcp-env 7.6
45792 by: Todd Finney

duplicating sendmail's virtusertable
45793 by: Sam Carleton
45794 by: Ben Beuchler

multilog patterns
45795 by: Ben Beuchler
45796 by: Russ Allbery
45797 by: Russ Allbery
45798 by: Ben Beuchler

Administrivia:

To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To bug my human owner, e-mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To post to the list, e-mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


--



John White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Reassured I installed the patched version with all the
  nice features (conf-spawn=2045, conf-split=521) - Success
  - no error.
 
 On the Solaris 7 platforms, do you
 make setup check after you change conf-spawn and
 conf-split?

I copied the source of the patched qmail-version
(including the modified conf-spawn and conf-split) on all
platforms, did a make clean, make setup and make check.

I generally do a 'newfs' on the filesystem, which holds
the queue before re-installing and re-testing a new
qmail-version.

The installation goes into a separate directory
(/var/qmail.patched) in order to allow me to have
different qmail-versions installed for easier testing.

By
Töns
-- 
Linux. The dot in /.




(This post also relevant to the "bare LFs and fixcrio ramifications" thread)

Toens,

Hmm, I've been watching this thread with interest. I did post a
similar message a week ago, which you may like to take a look
at in the archive, entitled "Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF
mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs", as well
as the referenced posts by TAG on 7th, 8th June. The thread
I started centred on a discussion of bare LFs (contributors
explained the ramifications), and since fixing those (fixcrio),
the systems has been behaving themselves 

bug in qmail-autoresponder version 0.92 ?

2000-07-29 Thread Olivier M.

Currently trying qmail-autoresponder (http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail-autoresponder/) : 

Docs says:
- Limits rate of automatic responses (defaults to a maximum of one
  message every hour).

well, I always get _two_ messages, before the
Ignoring_message://usr/local/bin/qmail-autoresponder:_SENDER_has_sent_too_many_messages/did_0+0+2/
appears in logs...

(with:
|/usr/local/bin/qmail-autoresponder -n 1 -t 43200 
|/home/paradises.ch/autorespond/msg/oli2 /home/paradises.ch/autorespond/log/oli2
|/usr/local/bin/qmail-autoresponder -t 43200 /home/paradises.ch/autorespond/msg/oli2 
|/home/paradises.ch/autorespond/log/oli2
)


Just looked in the source:

/* If the user's count is already over the max,
 * don't record any more. */
if(++count  max)
  return 0;

shouldn't it be :

/* If the user's count is already over the max,
 * don't record any more. */
if(++count = max)
  return 0;

? (it works this way on my system... :)


Regards,
Olivier


PS: the thing with "-s" is ok, but I like the "original" vacation
feature with $SUBJECT in _BODY_ much better : do you plan to add
it to qmail-autorespond ? Some sample source with this feature
is available under :
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/vacation/?cvsroot=vacation

PPS: if there is a From: or a Reply-To: field, should the autoresponder
respond to this address ? 

-- 
_
 Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland


 PGP signature


From where to get tcpserver

2000-07-29 Thread tejal

Dear friends and gurus,

  Could anybody tell me that from where to get the tar or rpms for 
tcpserver for qmail,
because i need to run qmail with tcpserver not with inetd.
i m working on RH 6.2.

thanx in advance

Tejal Shah


Re: From where to get tcpserver

2000-07-29 Thread Robin S. Socha

* tejal  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Could anybody tell me that from where to get the tar or rpms for
 tcpserver for qmail, because i need to run qmail with tcpserver not
 with inetd.  i m working on RH 6.2.

http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html

But if you're not familiar with installing sources, I'd suggest trying
the following:

robin@radioactive ~ rpmfind --apropos tcpserver
Loading catalog to /home/robin/.rpmfinddir/fullIndex.rdf.gz
Searching the RPM catalog for tcpserver ...
1: ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/contrib/RPMS/ucspi-tcp-0.88-3mdk.i586.rpm
  ucspi-tcp : tcpserver and tcpclient for building TCP client-server apps
-- 
Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/



Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-29 Thread Greg Cope

Bruce Guenter wrote:
 
 
 As promised, I've posted the results of the benchmark testing at
 http://em.ca/~bruceg/bench-qmail-remote/
 
 The receiving server is my PC, which has a DSL connection running at
 about 1.5Mb downlink bandwidth (the part that was actually used) running
 qmail, of course.  The "-cable-" results were sent from a cable modem
 which has approximately 384Kb uplink bandwidth.  the "-2Mb-" results
 were sent from a partial DS3 with 2Mb of bandwidth.  The receiver had
 its concurrency set to 128.
 
 20 runs were done of each test, 10 with one connection with multiple
 recipients, and 10 with multiple connections with one recipient.  The
 min and max columns give the fastest and shortest run times
 respectively; mean is (T1*T2*T3...*T10)**(1/10); avg is
 (T1+T2+T3+...+T10)/10.  The mean is less biased by unrepresentative
 results, and so is a better measure of the common case.
 
 Conclusions are somewhat tricky.  Using mutiple RCPTs tends to be more
 predictable (less of a spread between min and max), but using multiple
 connections has the best optimistic behaviour (min is lower than
 multi-RCPT's min).  With small messages (4KB and less), multi-connection
 is always a win.  On our mail proxy, the median message size is 3KB,
 just for comparison.  On the well-connected sender, using multi-RCPTs
 was never a significant win, which proves DJB's hypothesis about its use
 for well-connected hosts.  Once bandwidth limits become an issue (poorly
 connected server, large messages), multi-RCPTs win because the latency
 involved in sending one more RCPT becomes less than the additional time
 required to send another concurrent copy.
 
 This says nothing about bandwidth efficiency, only time efficiency.
 Obviously, using multi-RCPTs is always a bandwidth win (unless your
 recipient is larger than your message, highly unlikely).
 
 Feedback would be appreciated.  Oh, and please don't consider the test
 addresses I used in the scripts as wide open for mailbombing.

Thanks for that - very interesting.

Here goes on some feed back ...

Very interesting - you seem to have backed up DJb's claims that a well
connected host using single RCPTS is probably as good as one using
multiple RCPTs.  I always thought that Multiple would win hands down

One of my clients is into sending "customized - personal" messages to
their members - and we've been looking at an mta solution.

We are using sendmail - I'm a big qmail fan, use it it lots of places,
but have been reluctant to change a working system.  One of the
arguments against was the multiple rcpt-to's that qmail does not
support.

My question is thus - When does a host become well  connected ?

The reason being is that we use two hosts - one is a SuSe based Linux
box (256 meg RAM - 1 9 GIG scsi, and a pentium 600) the a twin
ultrasparc 1 gig ram - 1 9 gig scsi that is also our main web server /
mysql server.

The Suse box is at an ISP without good bandwidth, the Sun box is in one
of the best connected places in the UK (were "well connected" is usually
an order of magnitude below the US ).  I would define well connected at
anything above 512 mbits/sec.

Thanks again.

Greg Cope

still awaiting ADSL to be launched in the UK!


 --
 Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://em.ca/~bruceg/
 
   
Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature



Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-29 Thread markd

 Here goes on some feed back ...
 
 Very interesting - you seem to have backed up DJb's claims that a well
 connected host using single RCPTS is probably as good as one using
 multiple RCPTs.  I always thought that Multiple would win hands down
 
 One of my clients is into sending "customized - personal" messages to
 their members - and we've been looking at an mta solution.
 
 We are using sendmail - I'm a big qmail fan, use it it lots of places,
 but have been reluctant to change a working system.  One of the
 arguments against was the multiple rcpt-to's that qmail does not
 support.

But a customized email can never use multiple recipients. So that can't
be an issue in your evaluation.


 My question is thus - When does a host become well  connected ?
 
 The Suse box is at an ISP without good bandwidth, the Sun box is in one
 of the best connected places in the UK (were "well connected" is usually
 an order of magnitude below the US ).  I would define well connected at
 anything above 512 mbits/sec.

I would say that both of these are well connected. But well connected
in this context probable means few packet losses and few timeouts 
at the various layers including at the application layer (DNS, SMTP).


Regards.



Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-29 Thread Greg Cope

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Here goes on some feed back ...
 
  Very interesting - you seem to have backed up DJb's claims that a well
  connected host using single RCPTS is probably as good as one using
  multiple RCPTs.  I always thought that Multiple would win hands down
 
  One of my clients is into sending "customized - personal" messages to
  their members - and we've been looking at an mta solution.
 
  We are using sendmail - I'm a big qmail fan, use it it lots of places,
  but have been reluctant to change a working system.  One of the
  arguments against was the multiple rcpt-to's that qmail does not
  support.
 
 But a customized email can never use multiple recipients. So that can't
 be an issue in your evaluation.

Well because of performance issue (Management wanted to send all the
messages out in quite a short time - for reasons as yet unexplained!) we
were considereding bining the customised part.


 
  My question is thus - When does a host become well  connected ?
 
  The Suse box is at an ISP without good bandwidth, the Sun box is in one
  of the best connected places in the UK (were "well connected" is usually
  an order of magnitude below the US ).  I would define well connected at
  anything above 512 mbits/sec.
 
 I would say that both of these are well connected. But well connected
 in this context probable means few packet losses and few timeouts
 at the various layers including at the application layer (DNS, SMTP).

Sometimes at UK ISP's well connected is a bit of a broad statement ! 
One of the ISP has trouble staying up all week !  And we do get some
horrible ping times...

We also run a caching DNS on the Suse box.

Greg


 
 Regards.



Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-29 Thread markd

   We are using sendmail - I'm a big qmail fan, use it it lots of places,
   but have been reluctant to change a working system.  One of the
   arguments against was the multiple rcpt-to's that qmail does not
   support.
  
  But a customized email can never use multiple recipients. So that can't
  be an issue in your evaluation.
 
 Well because of performance issue (Management wanted to send all the
 messages out in quite a short time - for reasons as yet unexplained!) we

I'm sure there are lots of valid reasons, for example it might be
a late-breaking news email that ages very rapidly. It might be a
hot-stock pick which needs to get out before the market notices.

 were considereding bining the customised part.

FWIW. I see the trend going in the opposite direction. Customization
is where the industry is headed so it's likely only a matter of time
before that requirement comes back.

   My question is thus - When does a host become well  connected ?
  
   The Suse box is at an ISP without good bandwidth, the Sun box is in one
   of the best connected places in the UK (were "well connected" is usually
   an order of magnitude below the US ).  I would define well connected at
   anything above 512 mbits/sec.
  
  I would say that both of these are well connected. But well connected
  in this context probable means few packet losses and few timeouts
  at the various layers including at the application layer (DNS, SMTP).
 
 Sometimes at UK ISP's well connected is a bit of a broad statement ! 
 One of the ISP has trouble staying up all week !  And we do get some
 horrible ping times...

Even so, I think your setup meets the definition.


Regards.



POP delete mail on 2 places...

2000-07-29 Thread Magnus Löfqvist

Hi,

Im need to rewrite the code for the pop3 server, need to get it delete mail
from 2 places (the same mail, that are store on 2 dif. servers with nfs
connection).

Have looked a bit at qmail-pop3d.c code but dosent relise where it really
delete the msg.

Plz help me out here,

// Magnus Löfqvist




Open letter

2000-07-29 Thread Patrick Lambert

Greetings,

This is an open letter to the developers of the main SMTP servers
that are used all over the Internet. In recent years, we have all
seen in the news the many instances where our privacy has been
compromised by big corporations or governments. Some recent
examples include the recent survey results that showed over 50%
of corporations in the USA check their employees Internet usage
and e-mails, the Carnivore system from the FBI, aimed at checking
e-mails for potential criminal activity, and the UK law that
would force the ISPs to send all e-mails from everyone to the
government. This is without even talking about the many crackers
who use sniffer to peak in on e-mails while they are in transit.
The traditional response from the geek community has been to
promote e-mail encryption such as PGP.

Unfortunatly, this has not worked well because for normal end
users, encryption is not an easy task. The encryption software
has to be installed, and each correspondant needs his or her own
key published. This is where my suggestion comes in. Every SMTP
server should build in their own public-key encryption algorithm,
to encrypt all transmissions between mail servers. This would cut
down on 50% of all security problems, and on the common fact that
e-mail is like sending a post card over the Internet. The way to
implement this is not with third party software or optional SSL
add-ons. This needs to be a feature which by default is turned
on. Each SMTP server could compute a random set of keys when it
is installed, and a simple new command could be added to retrieve
the public key. When any connection is made between the servers,
a public key would be fetched. If the remote server has not been
upgraded and does not support PKI, then the transmission would
continue in a normal way. If both servers support it, then
encryption could be established, automatically, using PKI.

Of course this is only a suggestion and cannot work unless the
popular SMTP servers software implement it. It is an easy thing
to implement Internet wise on the server to server side, since
only a few server software programs exist. It could also be
implemented on the server to client side if the client software
makers would collaborate. Simply implement the same mechanism for
connections to the client side and allow the client to see if the
server software supports PKI. With the same public encryption
standard used by every server, the client makers would implement
support for it in no time.

Thanks for your time, and I hope this open letter will be of
benefit to save our freedom and privacy in the Internet world.


Patrick Lambert
IT Consultant
Internet Society Member

--

Patrick Lambert - Computer Scientist
IT Consultant and Technical Writer
Phone: (819) 696-2204
FAX: (425) 740-0422






__
FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com
Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup




urgent help required ! tcpserver tcprules

2000-07-29 Thread reach_prashant


hello guys 

   thanks for your guys ,i have gone through tcpserver  tcprules docs
and created a file named 
/etc/tcp.smtp content of which is 127.0.0.1local ip address 

then
 
tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp  /etc/tcp.smtp as 
per the documentation  of tcpserver and tcprules 


and also added  -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb  to my tcpserver command 
after tcpserver as per docs 


  my tcpserver command as  
  tcpserver -x /etc/tcpsmtpd/cdb  -H  -t 2 -l FQDN  -C  150  -u  uid -g 
gid  ipaddress  smtp  /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd2$1  | 
/var/qmail/bin/splogger recordio  qmail-smtpd  3  

also recordio   is not logging messages to  /var/log/messages   

i am using redhat  linux 6.1 , qmail 1-03 with qmail-ldap -2601 patch
and openldap packages 
   
  i want to restrict my qmail-smtpd  in a way that will stop smtp clients
like microsoft outlook express ,netscape messanger etc  sending mails
through  my qmail-smtpd as i told you befor its gonna be a webmail system
like hotmail  yahoo so i want to stop relaying of mails through my 
qmail-smtpd 


  so please tell me  why its not working for me i am shacking my heads from
last 3-4 days to just achive this 

  please guide me ,

  once more thanks a lot for your help
 with warmest Regards 
 Prashant Desai
  





Re: POP delete mail on 2 places...

2000-07-29 Thread Uwe Ohse

On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 06:53:56PM +0200, Magnus Löfqvist wrote:

 Have looked a bit at qmail-pop3d.c code but dosent relise where it really
 delete the msg.

pop3_quit(), look for unlink().

Regards, Uwe 



Re: dot-qmail deliver help

2000-07-29 Thread Uwe Ohse

On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 08:38:11PM +0200, Einar Bordewich wrote:

  i think you don't want the `;' after "env".
 -snip-
 
 Are you sure?

Not any more.

Regards, Uwe



RE: urgent help required ! tcpserver tcprules

2000-07-29 Thread Alexander Jernejcic

do you have a ~/control/rcpthosts set up properly?
qmail does relay if this file is missing. put you domains in this file (one per line) 
and your mailserver will only take mails for
this domains. with tcp.smtp you specify ip-ranges for witch you are willing to relay - 
BUT only when ~/control/rcpthosts exists

hope that helps

;) a

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 3:49 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: urgent help required ! tcpserver  tcprules



 hello guys

thanks for your guys ,i have gone through tcpserver  tcprules docs
 and created a file named
 /etc/tcp.smtp content of which is 127.0.0.1  local ip address

 then

 tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp  /etc/tcp.smtp   as
 per the documentation  of tcpserver and tcprules


 and also added  -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb  to my tcpserver command
 after tcpserver as per docs


   my tcpserver command as
   tcpserver -x /etc/tcpsmtpd/cdb  -H  -t 2 -l FQDN  -C150  -u  uid -g
 gid  ipaddresssmtp  /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd2$1  |
 /var/qmail/bin/splogger recordio  qmail-smtpd  3

 also recordio   is not logging messages to/var/log/messages

 i am using redhat  linux 6.1 , qmail 1-03 with qmail-ldap -2601 patch
 and openldap packages

   i want to restrict my qmail-smtpd  in a way that will stop smtp clients
 like microsoft outlook express ,netscape messanger etcsending mails
 through  my qmail-smtpd as i told you befor its gonna be a webmail system
 like hotmail  yahoo so i want to stop relaying of mails through my
 qmail-smtpd


   so please tell me  why its not working for me i am shacking my heads from
 last 3-4 days to just achive this

   please guide me ,

   once more thanks a lot for your help
  with warmest Regards
  Prashant Desai







Re: Open letter

2000-07-29 Thread markd

 This is an open letter to the developers of the main SMTP servers
 that are used all over the Internet. In recent years, we have all
 seen in the news the many instances where our privacy has been
 compromised by big corporations or governments. Some recent
 examples include the recent survey results that showed over 50%
 of corporations in the USA check their employees Internet usage
 and e-mails

The problem with your solution is that server to server encryption
does not stop government and big corporations from looking at your
mail on the mail server after it has arrived. Ask any system admin
how hard it is to scan /var/mail or a users home directory. Answer,
it's trivial.

Since most users do not run their own mail servers, but access
one via POP/IMAP, your solution will not affect the vast majority
of people.

The *real* solution is to use some form of end-to-end encryption.
In other words, encrypt your email before it leaves your email
program (whether it be on a PC, a server or a handheld device) in
such a way that only the recipient can decrypt it. PGP and their
ilk already provide this capability.

What I do agree with is that doing this is currently way too
hard for the average user and any efforts to make this easier
are a good thing. But you need to direct your letter at the
email client programmers rather then the email server
programmers.


Regards.



Re: Open letter

2000-07-29 Thread Blackey

On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Patrick Lambert wrote:

 compromised by big corporations or governments. Some recent
 examples include the recent survey results that showed over 50%
 of corporations in the USA check their employees Internet usage
 and e-mails, the Carnivore system from the FBI, aimed at checking
 e-mails for potential criminal activity, and the UK law that
 would force the ISPs to send all e-mails from everyone to the
 government. This is without even talking about the many crackers

AFAIK, (and I could be wrong about this), the UK law also has a section
about PGP, making it a felony to NOT produce your PGP key on demand. 

"
   The Bill means the UK government - specifically the Home Office and
   Home Secretary Jack Straw - can demand encryption keys to any and all
   data communications, with a prison sentence of two years for those who
   do not comply with the order.

(source "http://uk.news.yahoo.com/000728/101/aedvu.html")"

Most email transmitted now doesn't require PGP protection, (or warrant it). I
know that with the amount of email I get in a day, I wouldn't want the
extra overhead of having to decrypt it all.

just my $0.02





invalid characters in a email address?

2000-07-29 Thread Bill Parker

Hi All,

Could someone give me a list of characters (ascii) which are NOT
valid in a e-mail address...We had a problem with a user interface, and
want to add code to prevent occurance from happening again...

-Bill




Re: invalid characters in a email address?

2000-07-29 Thread Ronny Haryanto

On 29-Jul-2000, Bill Parker wrote:
   Could someone give me a list of characters (ascii) which are NOT
 valid in a e-mail address...We had a problem with a user interface, and
 want to add code to prevent occurance from happening again...

It's in RFC 822
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html

See also http://cr.yp.to/mess822.html

Ronny



Re: Open letter

2000-07-29 Thread Adam McKenna

On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 11:33:33AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What I do agree with is that doing this is currently way too
 hard for the average user and any efforts to make this easier
 are a good thing. But you need to direct your letter at the
 email client programmers rather then the email server
 programmers.

I would have agreed with this 5 years ago, but the current version of WinPGP
for windows is so easy to use, that I don't believe this is the reason
anymore.  I think the majority of people don't use PGP/PKI for the following
reaons:

1)  They don't know it exists
2)  They don't want to spend the money on PGP (if they're not eligible to use
the freeware version
3)  They just don't consider their privacy to be important enough to warrant
the installation of a new software package.

--Adam



Re: Open letter

2000-07-29 Thread markd

On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 04:39:42PM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 11:33:33AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What I do agree with is that doing this is currently way too
  hard for the average user and any efforts to make this easier
  are a good thing. But you need to direct your letter at the
  email client programmers rather then the email server
  programmers.
 
 I would have agreed with this 5 years ago, but the current version of WinPGP
 for windows is so easy to use, that I don't believe this is the reason
 anymore.  I think the majority of people don't use PGP/PKI for the following
 reaons:
 
 1)  They don't know it exists
 2)  They don't want to spend the money on PGP (if they're not eligible to use
 the freeware version
 3)  They just don't consider their privacy to be important enough to warrant
 the installation of a new software package.

Key management is a non-zero effort, installation is a non-zero effort,
cost is a non-zero effort and actual usage is a non-zero effort.

Total transparency is what I define as "easy to use" in the context
of the average email user (who probably has an email address at AOL).
I'm afraid anything less won't get there.


Regards.



Re: qmail-1.03 on Solaris is broken

2000-07-29 Thread Toens Bueker

Andrew Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The SMTP service may issue a QUIT, and immediately try again,
 resulting in a potential loop."
 
 The actual qmail-smtpd error message re bare LFs is
 
  451 See http://pobox.com/~djb/docs/smtplf.html
 
 which would trigger the above fault if Microsoft's software does
 indeed send bare LFs - contributors suggest it does.

[...]

 Anyway, part of my reason for posting was to speculate on why
 a mailserver might get a flood of SMTP connections. 

Now, I'm testing qmails behaviour under these conditions,
'cause I need to relay a quite reasonable amount of mail
through it a few times a week. This is no spam, though.

 The above bare LF issue is obviously one, as are
 smtpstone and a DoS. In my case, fixing the bare LF
 problem fixed the many-procs problem, by fixing the
 thing that was triggering it, but there may still be
 something that is 'broken' in Solaris 2.7. If I'm
 feeling brave, and happen to be working with that system
 again, I'll try smtpstone-ing it...  

That'd be great. Because I can't imagine, why the
'bare-LFs' thing should only affect qmails on Solaris 7 -
and why it should trigger this undeterministic. If bare
LFs would be the reason, it should trigger on the first
mail, right?

By
Töns
-- 
Linux. The dot in /.



Forwarding local account messages to POP mailbox.

2000-07-29 Thread Paul Broadwith


I have Hylafax set up on my server. I sent faxes from my username of paulb. 
Whenever a fax is sent, Hylafax notifies me by email to my local machine 
account, i.e. a message is sent to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

These messages sit in the local queue. I need to have them forwarded to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Where I can pick them up via POP3.

Any ideas?
Paul
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Forwarding local account messages to POP mailbox.

2000-07-29 Thread Jonathan McDowell


On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 05:58:54PM +0100, Paul Broadwith wrote:
 
 I have Hylafax set up on my server. I sent faxes from my username of paulb. 
 Whenever a fax is sent, Hylafax notifies me by email to my local machine 
 account, i.e. a message is sent to:
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 These messages sit in the local queue. I need to have them forwarded to:
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Where I can pick them up via POP3.
 
 Any ideas?

Um, create a .qmail on machine in ~paulb containing
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? Or a .qmail-paulb in ~alias if ~paulb doesn't
exist?

J.

-- 
 A conscience can sometimes be a pest.
  Ask me about server colocation - [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-29 Thread Bruce Guenter

On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 02:17:19PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
 My question is thus - When does a host become well  connected ?

When the bandwidth required to send its mail is significantly smaller
than the bandwidth available.  That is, if you have to send 100,000 5K
messages over a 1 hour period, you would need a T1, and you would fill
it to over 75% capacity.

In general, the concept of "well connected" is dependant on your mail
volume.  If you only have to send a few non-time-sensitive emails a day,
your 9.6Kb modem is well connected.  If you have to pay by the
kilo/mega/giga-byte of traffic, you're probably not well connected.  If
opening up concurrencyremote connections and sending mail kills your
link for other applications using the network, you're not well (enough)
connected.
-- 
Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://em.ca/~bruceg/

 PGP signature


Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-29 Thread Bruce Guenter

On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 03:30:08PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
 Well because of performance issue (Management wanted to send all the
 messages out in quite a short time - for reasons as yet unexplained!) we
 were considereding bining the customised part.

If you *need* customized email per recipient, over a short time, the
general consensus is that you need a two-stage solution.  The first
stage is to attempt to send each message directly, possibly re-using
qmail-remote to do the sending.  Run as many qmail-remotes as you can,
possibly using qmail-rspawn to help with handling everything.  If
sending a message fails temporarily (which will be the uncommon case),
inject it into the qmail queue.  That way, deliveries that succeed never
get queued, and don't hit the queue I/O penalty.
-- 
Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://em.ca/~bruceg/

 PGP signature


Re: bug in qmail-autoresponder version 0.92 ?

2000-07-29 Thread Bruce Guenter

On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 02:35:56PM +0200, Olivier M. wrote:
 Currently trying qmail-autoresponder (http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail-autoresponder/) : 

Great!

 Docs says:
 - Limits rate of automatic responses (defaults to a maximum of one
   message every hour).
 
 well, I always get _two_ messages,
 
 shouldn't it be :
 
 /* If the user's count is already over the max,
  * don't record any more. */
 if(++count = max)
   return 0;

You are right.  The logic worked before the rewrite for 0.92, and I
guess I missed that one.  The tests also failed to catch this.  I'll
make sure they work this time.

 PS: the thing with "-s" is ok, but I like the "original" vacation
 feature with $SUBJECT in _BODY_ much better : do you plan to add
 it to qmail-autorespond ?

Reluctantly, yes.  Would something like "%S" work for you?  That would
greatly simplify the parsing logic.

 PPS: if there is a From: or a Reply-To: field, should the autoresponder
 respond to this address ? 

I think not.  Responding to the envelope sender is pretty much the only
safe thing to do, and it neatly avoids all the trouble one would get
into to properly parse an address field.
-- 
Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://em.ca/~bruceg/

 PGP signature