Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

I was ask to provide more info about the crash dump server. It is called Socorro: https://github.com/mozilla-services/socorro Like you can see it was developed originally for Firefox: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrashers/?product=Firefox&ve

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Edward Welbourne: > When you look into the feature that no-one uses much, you may find that most > users > that do use it have a crash report following close on the heels of their > use of it; you can make an educated guess at why they don't use it after that. We have already a crash reporter,

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Am 23.02.2018 um 11:54 schrieb Edward Welbourne: >> The proposed system provides anonymised and presumably aggregated >> data; so you won't be given, much less asked to evaluate, information >> about a specific user A doing things at a specific time B; your >> objection is a straw man. You'd be ge

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

23.02.2018, 13:55, "Edward Welbourne" : > André Pönitz (22 February 2018 20:05) >>  Any number for a "measured" value for rate of crashes or memory leaks >>  is uninteresting for me when I run into the problem myself reqularly. >>  And trust me, I do. > > I trust you. > It is, however, possible y

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi Tino, On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Tino Pyssysalo wrote: > I’ll clarify little bit, as my earlier comment about “any backend” has been > confusing. I requested a repo for a QtCreator analytics plugin, but we > realized why not to use a similar solution in other tools as well. I want to > c

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

"If many users spend much time doing a "thing", does that mean that this is most important to them? Or that it is most fun to do?" Personally, I think we can table the discussion of how to interpret non-existent data for a plug-in that does not exist in a thread about whether to open a repo. __

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

n: Qt-creator [mailto:qt-creator-bounces+maurice.kalinowski=qt...@qt-project.org] Im Auftrag von Tino Pyssysalo Gesendet: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:59 PM An: Simon Hausmann ; Tuukka Turunen ; qt-creator@qt-project.org; developm...@qt-project.org Betreff: Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repos

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Am 23.02.2018 um 11:54 schrieb Edward Welbourne: André Pönitz (22 February 2018 20:05) Any number for a "measured" value for rate of crashes or memory leaks is uninteresting for me when I run into the problem myself reqularly. And trust me, I do. I trust you. It is, however, possible your usag

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

[Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator Hi, The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use for analytics. The backend can be any storage and The Qt Company does not provide that. We plan to use the same backend, which

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

On Friday, 23 February 2018 11:45:01 CET Simon Hausmann wrote: > I just had a look at KUserFeedback and I'm impressed. > > Looks like a really good combination of very useful providers, UI, > administration and server bits - all in one relatively small package. And > for those not liking the PHP s

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

André Pönitz (22 February 2018 20:05) > Any number for a "measured" value for rate of crashes or memory leaks > is uninteresting for me when I run into the problem myself reqularly. > And trust me, I do. I trust you. It is, however, possible your usage patterns of the UI are not typical; consequen

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

I just had a look at KUserFeedback and I'm impressed. Looks like a really good combination of very useful providers, UI, administration and server bits - all in one relatively small package. And for those not liking the PHP server part, it appears that that would be a piece that is relatively

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi, Use of KUserFeedback is problematic due to its license. Adding 3rd party L/GPL components is something I do not want to do (already wrote "we", but let's use "I" instead to avoid need to define what is meant by we :) The reason for avoiding adding any 3rd party components with viral licens

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi Pasi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Pasi Keränen wrote: > I object to using “Spyware” term in this context. Spyware is SW that does > things behind your back. I noticed that my mail could be read in the way you read it pretty much right after sending it. I need to apologize for expressin

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi Tobias, I planned to stay out of this, but -1 since I am totally confused about the scope of this project at this point. So are we talking about a generic telemetry framework for Qt applications or about watching Qt Creator users specifically? Tino started by making the claim that this is a ge

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi, as numerous people have asked me to comment on this by now, let me just do that here publicly (representing KDE's KUserFeedback, not KDAB): Tino is well aware of KUserFeedback, we discussed that last year already in detail. So it definitely was considered as a possible solution for this. I

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi Pasi, On Feb 23, 2018 08:05, "Pasi Keränen" wrote: Hi there, +1 for having a generic telemetry plugin in Qt. I planned to stay out of this, but -1 since I am totally confused about the scope of this project at this point. So are we talking about a generic telemetry framework for Qt appli

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

February 22, 2018 2:59 PM An: Simon Hausmann ; Tuukka Turunen ; qt-creator@qt-project.org; developm...@qt-project.org Betreff: Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator Hi, The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use fo

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

y, February 22, 2018 2:59 PM An: Simon Hausmann ; Tuukka Turunen ; qt-creator@qt-project.org; developm...@qt-project.org Betreff: Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator Hi, The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

+maurice.kalinowski=qt...@qt-project.org] Im Auftrag von Tino Pyssysalo Gesendet: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:59 PM An: Simon Hausmann ; Tuukka Turunen ; qt-creator@qt-project.org; developm...@qt-project.org Betreff: Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi there, +1 for having a generic telemetry plugin in Qt. This is great initiative and very much the way today's app and application industry works. UX studies performed by UX experts have been minimized and targeted for specific (usually new/experimental) features or upcoming new software (li

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 01:58:55PM +, Tino Pyssysalo wrote: > Hi, > > The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use for > analytics. I see no reason why this can't be done as part of e.g. the commercial Qt offering, with customers being free to deploy that if they fe

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Another point: if you do collect usage data, please bear in mind that sometimes a feature can be used very rarely, but still be vital. In other words, do not consider a feature as "unnecessary" or "can be deprecated" if it is not used often. For example, I mostly do mobile and desktop apps, but I

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:42:55PM +0300, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > 22.02.2018, 16:39, "Ryein Goddard" : > > This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be > > completely honest I think it is 100% useless.  I fully subscribe to that. > > If you don't know what people >

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi Andy, yes, non-Qt Company people have a voice. This discussion here is taking place in the Qt Project, not just the Qt Company. Cheers, Robert Am 22.02.2018 um 14:39 schrieb Andy: If non-Qt Company people have a voice, I'm with Simon. More info is needed. Do you see this shipping as a b

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi, Thanks for the update, this is starting to make more sense to me. So do I understand correctly that you'd like to have one API that you could use from a proprietary Qt Creator plugin (for commercial tooling) as well as from the installer framework, and the repository that you're requestin

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

eator on behalf of Tino Pyssysalo Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:58:55 PM To: Simon Hausmann; Tuukka Turunen; qt-creator@qt-project.org; developm...@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator Hi, The idea is to develop

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi, The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use for analytics. The backend can be any storage and The Qt Company does not provide that. We plan to use the same backend, which we already use in online installers to collect statistics about installations. At least in

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi, For the charts it's indeed not so relevant what kind of charts we can visualize. That is an implementation detail indeed. But whether visualization data in charts is relevant to the users of Qt and whether we would like to make this part of the Qt project is certainly a question we'd clari

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Tuukka Turunen wrote: > > > Hi Simon, > > > > Is that an item to decide at repo creation time or something to address > later during implementation / code review? For example consider requesting > a repo for qt/qtcharts – should we have known what data users want

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

> Well, there are things that are hard to report via survey, e.g. rate of > crashes or memory leaking in clangbackend We have a crash handler in the works, which is much more useful than this. And memory leaks can simply be investigated simply by debugging. I don't see how this plugin could he

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi Simon, Is that an item to decide at repo creation time or something to address later during implementation / code review? For example consider requesting a repo for qt/qtcharts – should we have known what data users want to visualize with it before having a repository (or only during the im

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

I think memory leaks and different backends should be tested by Qt. Customers/Users are not your beta testers. On 02/22/2018 08:42 AM, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 22.02.2018, 16:39, "Ryein Goddard" : This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be completely honest I th

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

22.02.2018, 16:39, "Ryein Goddard" : > This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be > completely honest I think it is 100% useless.  If you don't know what people > are using your software for, or how then you aren't communicating with them.  > You know once upon a t

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

If non-Qt Company people have a voice, I'm with Simon. More info is needed. Do you see this shipping as a built-in plugin for Qt Creator? If so, would this data collection be opt-in? How is the user informed about exactly what is being collected and how the data is used? --- Andy Maloney // h

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be completely honest I think it is 100% useless.  If you don't know what people are using your software for, or how then you aren't communicating with them.  You know once upon a time companies just talked with people to figur

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Hi, Can you provide a bit more information about how this plugin / frontend fits into the Qt project? Where is the collected data sent to and how is it accessible to the community? (-1 from me, as I think this needs to be clarified) Simon From: Development