Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 21:17 -0800, charlie wrote: Just rode my 'Sam' after obsessing over low trail forks for the last few months. With my new drop bars and hobo bag I never noticed 'wheel flop' or any tendency of the bike to wander as some might contend. Just a nice pleasant ride uphill and

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
To expand this discussion: I found the Sam Hill very floppy going uphill with a **rear** load; for my purpose and taste, intolerably so. However! The Fargo has huge trail (88? IIRC with the Big Apples, 72 or so with the Kojaks), per jimg's trail calculator and the data I found on the Fargo site

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
One more anecdote that may or may not be relevant: when I once put 30+ lb on front lowriders on the Sam, the steering was so heavy I could literally hardly turn the bar --- I was not comfortable going faster than 15 mph and quickly abandoned the experiment. Very odd. Needless to say the Fargo is

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread Kenneth Stagg
I didn't know anything about low trail when my Mariposa arrived, I just knew that the handling was amazing compared to my Heron, or pretty much anything else I'd ever ridden (exception being Moultons) and I wanted to know why. Digging showed that it was a combination of three main factors in the

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread charlie
I have done that before however not yesterday but... my observation is, if I'm going so slow that my hub generator doesn't light my headlamp I may as well get off and walk. I can see how a heavily loaded front end might cause wheel flop going super slow and for a front load only 'Rando rider'

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread charlie
Here is how I load my Sam front to rear. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200150032779781set=a.2522635871448.2142301.1419870581type=3theater On Sunday, December 9, 2012 8:57:59 AM UTC-8, charlie wrote: I have done that before however not yesterday but... my observation is, if I'm

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 08:57 -0800, charlie wrote: I have done that before however not yesterday but... my observation is, if I'm going so slow that my hub generator doesn't light my headlamp I may as well get off and walk. I don't know at what speed your hub generator won't light your light,

[RBW] Raffle - clarification

2012-12-09 Thread BSWP
I might be the only one to misinterpret the rules, but after placing my order last night, and then pondering over it this morning, I heard back from RBW - only orders of goods that come to or exceed $300 are automatically entered *(not including taxes)*. I was nudging my cart until the total

Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a possible Sam purchase for a new Riv buyer

2012-12-09 Thread charlie
I see your point Steve and don't necessarily disagreefor me at 257 right now, two top tubes seems fine. In fact, the Sam feels more lively than my Surly Trucker. I own a standard diameter high end 80's race bike with Columbus SL and it flexes noticeably (for me) I only ride it on smooth

[RBW] Re: Velocity quality

2012-12-09 Thread Earl Grey
I seem to remember from past threads that it was particularly the 36 hole O/C Synergies that were cracking. If you have cracked a Synergy, can you state whether it was O/C and 36 hole? I have two 32 hole O/C Synergies on two bikes, with one around 4000 mi/3 yrs, the other maybe 1500mi/2 yrs,

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread Mojo
I like what Grant has said many times, poorly paraphrased here, you get used to what you ride. I have four Rivendells and absolutley love the handling of three of them and live just fine with the fourth. Beyond those frames, I have also acquired a poor-man's Atlantis, the Surly LHT.

Re: [RBW] Advice on a possible Sam purchase for a new Riv buyer

2012-12-09 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
Yes, sell all of your other bikes and buy a Rivendell. Life is short. You deserve a nice bike. - David G in SF On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Chris cscottburg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Thanks for checking out my post. I currently have three bikes; a Pashley Guv'Nor (beautiful to

Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity quality

2012-12-09 Thread Stonehog
I have an O/C 36 hole Synergy that has a few cracks. I still ride it and it has at least 6000 miles. The matching front Synergy has no such issues. Wheels are Lesnick built with XT hubs purchased in '09. It is on my replace list, but I have been building my own lately. I will replace with

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread Kenneth Stagg
Maybe some of the time, but I was used to the Heron's handling and its handling was the reason I ordered the Mariposa. I specifically told Mike that I wanted the new bike to have lighter handling than the Heron because I was tired of having to muscle it around. I actually had a hard time

[RBW] Re: Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread dougP
Charlie: Congrats on enjoying the handling of your new ride. You are correct that we sometimes over-think our bikes. The ability of Rivendells to accommodate a wide range of tire sizes, racks, luggage, baskets, ets., and still handle well is quite amazing and a testament to Grant's

Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on a possible Sam purchase for a new Riv buyer

2012-12-09 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 10:02 -0800, charlie wrote: I see your point Steve and don't necessarily disagreefor me at 257 right now, two top tubes seems fine. In fact, the Sam feels more lively than my Surly Trucker. I own a standard diameter high end 80's race bike with Columbus SL and it

Re: [RBW] Re: Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I would be very interested in learning more about how position, rider size and weight, tire width and pressure, and for that matter pedaling style affect handling for a given geometry. My wandering problem on the Sam was with heavy rear load and nothing in front; and my favored position is

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread charlie
Yea SteveI've had that happen on several bikes going up super steep hills (tendency to *not* hold a straight line) I'm not sure what a 12% grade is but some I've gone up are so steep I thought I would vapor lock and puke barely making it up. At my age, weight and with sketchy knees I can

[RBW] WTT - 7 speed shifter/levers for mtb

2012-12-09 Thread Philip Williamson
I'm fixing up my friend's bike, and her trigger shifters are toast. She can use 2 out of 3 rings in the front, and 1 out of 7 cogs in the back. The shifters appear molded in with the brake levers, which is a drag, since the levers work fine. It's an otherwise serviceable Trek 820 with fat

Re: [RBW] Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 13:33 -0800, charlie wrote: Yea SteveI've had that happen on several bikes going up super steep hills (tendency to not hold a straight line) I'm not sure what a 12% grade is but some I've gone up are so steep I thought I would vapor lock and puke barely making it up.

Re: [RBW] WTT - 7 speed shifter/levers for mtb

2012-12-09 Thread Dan McNamara
I think I have a set of shifters/levers that would meet your need. Digging around now. On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I'm fixing up my friend's bike, and her trigger shifters are toast. She can use 2 out of 3 rings in the front, and 1 out

Re: [RBW] WTT - 7 speed shifter/levers for mtb

2012-12-09 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
the pawls inside get gummed up with dried grease and dont do their job. most likely you can open them up, degrease, flex the spring-loadd pawls back and forth until they move easily, relube and re-assemble..unless things are actually broken inside

Re: [RBW] WTT - 7 speed shifter/levers for mtb

2012-12-09 Thread Jim Mather
Be careful when taking them apart because there are small bits that get lost easily. And if a rebuild doesn't work, I've hacksawed off the shift levers and used the cheap Sunrace as replacements: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh3.htm jim m wc ca On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM,

[RBW] Re: retroshift on a noodle bar?

2012-12-09 Thread Brian Campbell
I had them on a set of 46cm noodles. Worked well, felt good. I sold the frame (SOMA Double Cross), so I don't have any pictures. I save the bars and the levers. I am thinking of putting the Retro Shifts on the Tom Ritchey tandem I have. It too, sports 46cm Noodles. On Sunday, December 9, 2012

[RBW] Re: Velocity quality

2012-12-09 Thread Michael
My LBS mechanic said he doesn't think cracks are just specific to Velocity/Synergy. He says he has seen cracks elsewhere, including his Mavic rim that cracked when he went to true it up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.

[RBW] Where have all the Riv-diamond braze-ons gone?

2012-12-09 Thread Michael
You know, for the bridges and bottle holder rivets? A nice touch. Was wondering why they stopped using them on the bikes. Too bad. It is nice. They are kinda like braze-on lugs. They finish the lugging look of the bike, if ya ask me. Having all joints lugged and braze-ons finished in that way.

Re: [RBW] Where have all the Riv-diamond braze-ons gone?

2012-12-09 Thread Peter Morgano
Those are customs and earlier one offs it would appear. Probably too expensive to bring that level of detail to a production bike. On Dec 9, 2012 5:53 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: You know, for the bridges and bottle holder rivets? A nice touch. Was wondering why they stopped

Re: [RBW] WTT - 7 speed shifter/levers for mtb

2012-12-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Oh! Thanks to Ryan and Nick for thumbies and brake levers respectively. On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the rebuild I recently did of a horrible Big 5 cruiser; a major part of the refurbishment was to junk the unspeakably horrible plastic twist

[RBW] Re: Where have all the Riv-diamond braze-ons gone?

2012-12-09 Thread Michael
I would think they would be much easier than the detailing of lugs though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/I1esSN9h9_8J. To post

Re: [RBW] Where have all the Riv-diamond braze-ons gone?

2012-12-09 Thread Eric Norris
FWIW, my custom Richard Sachs has plain Jane round bottle braze-ons. For whatever reason, he doesn't use them on his frames, and he's certainly not cutting corners in terms or price or workmanship. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Dec 9, 2012, at

[RBW] Re: WTT - 7 speed shifter/levers for mtb

2012-12-09 Thread charlie
Hey Philip,I probably have some in my junk parts also if someone else doesn't.. message me on Facebook. I also have a few other MTB parts. No need to trade either, just cover shipping. On Sunday, December 9, 2012 1:41:59 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: I'm fixing up my friend's bike,

Re: [RBW] Where have all the Riv-diamond braze-ons gone?

2012-12-09 Thread Peter Pesce
My QB, bafflingly, doesn't even have a proper fender boss on the rear brake bridge. Everything is built to a price. (That being said, the QB is a dream of a bike and I'd be happy with it even if it had one fork leg and no seat tube!) -Pete in CT -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Atlantis repaint update

2012-12-09 Thread René Sterental
It's been several long months since I updated the group on my fork update for my Atlantis and my Hunqapillar. I sent the Atlantis to be repainted (with its new fork) in August, and it was around October when I was finally able to get it back. I decided to wait the recommended 30 days before waxing

Re: [RBW] Re: Low trail schmo trail......

2012-12-09 Thread Esteban
I love my Pelican, Ebisu, and Nobilette low-trail bikes. It works. I love my Rivs - mid-trail. Totally works, too! http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/8258743340/ Frame design is more than trail. Grant's is a complete package - and has always, in my experience, held the qualities of

[RBW] Re: Velocity quality

2012-12-09 Thread Brewster Fong
On Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:45:59 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: My LBS mechanic said he doesn't think cracks are just specific to Velocity/Synergy. He says he has seen cracks elsewhere, including his Mavic rim that cracked when he went to true it up. Rims cracking at the spoke hole have

[RBW] Why all the miles?

2012-12-09 Thread Manuel Acosta
Got to tag along with some SF Randonndeurs, Ely from Ruth Bags, Ray from Mission Bags and David on their Jittery Jaunt 200k Permanent that took us to the small town of Valley Ford. I'm not too fond of doing this much mileage but was pretty curious about exploring around the Petaluma area so I