[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
Wait..I thought ultra riding was supposed to be bad for you?!?!?! Another new health zeitgeist debunked! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
The listing is gone a few hours after I asked for current pics. Much weirdness going on there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

2017-01-06 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
Ash, Great that you ordered an Appa, but no reason to put the old horse out to pasture when there is really nothing wrong with the bike other than it has not been setup to fit your current situation. I had a neck problem develop after sitting at a computer for years combined with riding a

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread drew
Yeah the guy with the flickr says it's a 58cm, this is listed as a 54cm. My point about the pictured components was that the saddle, crank, grips (don't think they are mieshas), front derailer, etc. are not the same as the ones listed. Could just be an old photo I guess... -- You received

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread Patrick Shea
I just sent a note to see if this thing is still around. I watched a guy start and finish the 2007 PBP on a set-up just like this (before front baskets were cool.) A great deal. if true; I miss my All-Rounder! Cheers, Patrick On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Belopsky

[RBW] Rivelo

2017-01-06 Thread Eric Norris
My daughter and I had a fun visit to Rivelo today--John and Darby were there, and I took the opportunity to fly my drone for some aerial photography. Here's a shot of the Portland Riv outpost from about 100 feet in the air: (see full image) Thanks to both Darby and Kohn for making us feel

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
In the end, though, it's not that complicated. I believe the advice is "shop the fringes" or something like that. That's where all the unprocessed foods are--vegetables, fruits, fish, meat, eggs, cheese. I like to get as much of that as possible at my farmer's market or from my neighbors.

Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

2017-01-06 Thread 'clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch
The L.D stem. | | | | $ 125.00 || | | | | | The L.D stem. This is our version of the Limp dick stem which was designed by Charlie Cunningham. This steam is designed to ge... | | | | This might help Ash, on the Raleigh... I bought one, to build a bike

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
Patrick, This is exactly why I can't believe any of the championed diets of today: pro-sugar, pro-fat, no-fat, paleo, vegan, organic, Saccharin, stevia, caveman diet, bottled water, municipal water, etc... Bad human behavior like this has made it hard for me to believe anything "they" say.

[RBW] Re: battery powered taillight tinkering

2017-01-06 Thread Deacon Patrick
Shiny! With abandon, Patrick On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote: > > > If you have access to a lathe and some free time on your hands I highly > recommend this as a project. The whole thing only took about an hour and > would be even easier and faster if it were

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Bob Ehrenbeck
For my morning coffee (or green tea), I usually add coconut oil. It's tasty, and the good fat sustains me for the rest of the morning -- plus, I get my lips moisturized! ; ) Bob E. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Deacon Patrick
In case you missed this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html?_r=0 With abandon, Patrick On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:47:06 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote: > > If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks >

[RBW] Re: battery powered taillight tinkering

2017-01-06 Thread Anton Tutter
Well done!!! Anton velolumino.com On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-5, S. Greco wrote: > > I acquired a strange frame recently (650B Pedimoto Triple Triangle) which > had a braze-on for a taillight on the back of the seat tube. I didn't have > a dyno-hub wheel set for the bike, so

Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Tim Butterfield
For hot tea, no sugar is needed once you get used to it. I occasionally put in a little honey if I'm desperate for sweetener or fighting off a cold, but I usually have hot tea straight. This is for hot black teas and white teas, not just the flavored kinds. I normally drink Dragon Black Pearl

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread Belopsky
Note - the flickr photo is from 2008! On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:53:02 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: > > Well I found the photo elsewhere, so now who knows. I did email the CL > post to inquire > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/velotramp/2676690860 > > On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:48:48 PM

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread Belopsky
Well I found the photo elsewhere, so now who knows. I did email the CL post to inquire https://www.flickr.com/photos/velotramp/2676690860 On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:48:48 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: > > Misspellings are fairly common and I don't know if anyone but a Riv > acolyte would know

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
Misspellings are fairly common and I don't know if anyone but a Riv acolyte would know those are Meisha grips and use the Sheldon spelling for "derailer." It's a great deal. I'm so relieved it's not my size... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Christopher Cote
Drink it black. I can't stand sweet drinks anymore. Still like candy and chocolate, though. That's my weakness. On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote: > > If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks > with? > -- You received this

[RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

2017-01-06 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
If it's a treadless tire, then calipers may be the only way to know for certain how thin the rubber has gotten. Or to perhaps inspect closely with a bright light and magnifying lens (I have admittedly old eyes, maybe you don't need the lens) to look for evidence of fibers showing through the

[RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
Compass says that for their tires once the center tread wears off you have 1000 miles left. Or was that kilometers? Nevertheless, I went more, coronally bisected the tire, looked, and I still had a good mm of center tread left. No rise in flat frequency. Sheldon Brown said: " it's your

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread 'Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch
I rarely use sweeteners, but when I do, it's usually a little xylitol. I make sure it's made from natural sources (like hardwood trees or similar, not made in some Monsanto lab). It's naturally preventative for tooth decay, much lower in calories, and doesn't cause an insulin spike like sugar

[RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

2017-01-06 Thread ted
Hey All, How does one best determine when a smooth tread tire, like a Jack Brown or Soma GR, is worn too thin? The other weekend I found I had exceeded the lifetime of a Soma GR tire when a flat seemed to be from wearing through it. That seems like something I'd rather not do that way.

Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
Stevia and xylitol? Recommended for low carb... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

2017-01-06 Thread Ash A
Ha ha! Apparently he got serious about cycling only when he reached 68. Guess he didn't have enough time until then. I'd rather be cycling than golfing when I retire. On Friday, 6 January 2017 15:40:44 UTC-8, Tim wrote: > > Well, I've got 49 years to train and I'm gonna break his

[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-06 Thread Ash A
True. Flannel lining isn't 'layering' I meant layering for the upper body. On Friday, 6 January 2017 16:02:08 UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Great way to go! Except that flannel lines pants are't layering in the > sense that if conditions or needs change as you ride, you have an option to

[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-06 Thread Deacon Patrick
Great way to go! Except that flannel lines pants are't layering in the sense that if conditions or needs change as you ride, you have an option to remove a layer (or add one). A more flexible approach is to wear long johns under your jeans. Get too hot because the wind dies, or sun comes out?

Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Eric Daume
Maybe someday they will invent an artificial sweetener that doesn't have any sugar. On Friday, January 6, 2017, lum gim fong wrote: > but my question was not all joke, as I was legitimately wondering what > people use as sugar substitutes. > > -- > You received this

[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

2017-01-06 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
Well, I've got 49 years to train and I'm gonna break his record...Allez! Allez! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

2017-01-06 Thread Ryan Fleming
yes...it is truly humbling...quite a remarkable fellow; that's for sure On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote: > > Ryan, > > That guy is almost twice your age > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-06 Thread Ash A
While still deciding on which long term pants to get, I needed something in a hurry for today's 40+ mile ride in 34 to 48 degree temperature range. Looked up bunch of local store websites. Target had flannel lined chinos. http://www.target.com/p/-/A-51244786 It cost me only $13 in the

[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

2017-01-06 Thread Ryan Fleming
geez what an idiot...rough day. latest BLAHG has some pictures of my new mixte...still not quite rideable yet but.you get the idea ...apologies for earlier blank post On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:29:27 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:36:11 AM

Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

2017-01-06 Thread Ash A
Rode the Raleigh 21 miles to work today. My neck is not a happy camper today. Can't wait to ride like I want to ride once the Appaloosa arrives! I'm going to try the seat adjustment you suggested before I ride back. Here's picture of the Raleigh (more https://goo.gl/photos/Ha4YXYY7WoPgZgVw8)

Re: [RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 01/06/2017 05:44 PM, lum gim fong wrote: My question was partially a joke, as many people say not to consume something or face the tragic consequences. Modern western nutrition advice is like a never ending, flowing field of ever changing zeitgeists. Hard to sort through it all to see

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread Belopsky
Can anyone proxy? I know a buyer. On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 5:55:36 PM UTC-5, drew wrote: > > hmm. i always find it fishy when the person cant spell the name of the > bike that has the name spelled on it, and list different components than > the ones in the photo. > -- You received this

[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
~ 5mm on each side of fork blades ~3mm on each side of chainstays -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread drew
hmm. i always find it fishy when the person cant spell the name of the bike that has the name spelled on it, and list different components than the ones in the photo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Eric Floden
Honey is great in tea, yum It is in my cuppa lapsang souchong right now Eric Vancouver -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
but my question was not all joke, as I was legitimately wondering what people use as sugar substitutes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread dstein
drink lots of water. i gave up sugar in my coffee and tea and i also gave up cola's years ago, never looked back. Then i gave up caffeine and dammed if i can't find a good reason to go hang out in a coffee shop now (yeah i know, there's herbal tea and decaf coffee, but not a fan of either, well

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
My question was partially a joke, as many people say not to consume something or face the tragic consequences. Modern western nutrition advice is like a never ending, flowing field of ever changing zeitgeists. Hard to sort through it all to see what is really true about nutrition. Hi fat, low

[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

2017-01-06 Thread Ryan Fleming
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:36:11 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote: > > Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in > progress. Inside shots but the color looks like it turned out as I hoped > > Hopefully you can view these. > > Happy new year , everyone ! > --

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Deacon Patrick
The more your body is addicted to sugar, the harder the transition, but fat is very satisfying. It takes time for your tastebuds and taste satisfaction triggers (via the amigdila I think?) to reset themselves to unprocessed food. When they do, wow, do flavors pop! Perhaps break the addiction by

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Ian A
For food and smoothies etc., I like to use dates for sweetener. Unsweetened coconut flakes are naturally really sweet and also healthy and good with various different foods Ground sesame seeds also add sweetness. For coffee, I use organic cane sugar, but only a small amount typically. Tea I

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Deacon Patrick
Cream. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:47:06 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote: > > If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks > with? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread Garth
Isn't it good enouh as it is ? You like it with sugar, great . what does some guy have to do with that ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
Can't do coffee. I like coffee but it don't like me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread sameness
Black coffee. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 1:47:06 PM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote: > > If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks > with? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] battery powered taillight tinkering

2017-01-06 Thread S. Greco
I acquired a strange frame recently (650B Pedimoto Triple Triangle) which had a braze-on for a taillight on the back of the seat tube. I didn't have a dyno-hub wheel set for the bike, so I was on the hunt for a battery powered one. To my knowledge, the only one available is from Boulder

[RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks with? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
No paleo, fat, meat only diet for him I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
Ryan, That guy is almost twice your age -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

2017-01-06 Thread Ryan Fleming
I'm 64 and 14mph is a good day for me and doesn't happen that often, truth be told. Still for us aging baby boomers (like me) , it does give you something to hope for...note that he eats lots of fruits and veggies, doesn't smoke, doesn't drink except for occasional glass of vino,gets enough

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread lum gim fong
Regarding size and ride performance: I had a 55 Bleriot. I then got a 53 Bleriot. I think there was a 3 pound diff in the bikes. The 53 being heavier. The motor weighed the same. Just a year older. The 53 was much better riding quality and quicker feeling and better steering. Felt easier to

[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread dstein
That's a steal at that price. It'll likely go unnoticed for now as Atlantis is spelled 'Atlanta' and Riv is abbreviated (I just search for Rivendell and would easily miss this). If it's anyone on here you might want to update the listing headline. On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 12:59:00 PM

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Ryan Fleming
so if you want to still ride a riv and you enjow the riv riding qualities ...then maybe as others said..sniff around for a Roadeo or try a Roadini . On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6, John Bokman wrote: > > Bill, thanks for the thoughts. I actually do think the type of bike is >

[RBW] PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

2017-01-06 Thread Surlyprof
No connection to me and not my size... Came across this posting on the bay area CL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5947506537.html Thought this may be of interest to someone on the list. Struck me as a great deal on a pretty stock Atlantis. Doesn't come with the racks but still

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread John Bokman
Bill, thanks for the thoughts. I actually do think the type of bike is good for me, because I regularly haul heavy groceries - easily 30 pounds. I don't expect the Sam to be sprightly when I'm hauling weight, of course (wouldn't that be nice?). It's the when I remove all the weight and climb

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread John Bokman
I have not timed myself, nor do I plan to, but that's a good point. It's not important to me how slow or fast I actually am, but how I FEEL when on the bike. And for me, the Sam never FEELS springy when I'm climbing. I suspect it's a function of the frame size more than the geometry or tubing.

Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Joe Bernard
Objection, argumentative. Everybody who has followed Rivendell for any length of time knows that the older designs had a bit of upslope that was almost undetectable to the naked eye. For the purposes of my points in this discussion, my Saluki had a level toptube relative to the Sam and

[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco Moose Filleted

2017-01-06 Thread Clayton.sf
sold -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: FS: B Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light - $50 shipped.

2017-01-06 Thread Eric
Hey David, this still available? - Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: PRICE DROP FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

2017-01-06 Thread Patch T
*WHAT's LEFT + PRICE DROPS* *HBARS* 1) Nitto Noodle 41cm, 26.0, barely used. *$30* 4) Nitto Grand Randonneur B135 , 45cm, 25.4, used *$30* 5) VO Porteur handlebars, 25.4, 23.8 brake clamp; well-used *$15 (OR BUY THESE WITH

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread drew
am i the only one whose feelings during climbing vacillate fairly extremely from day to day and climb to climb? sometimes it feels like im flying up hills (sometimes on loaded up bikes even) and other times it feels harder than it should (on stripped down bikes even). i just assume my lungs and

[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco Moose Filleted

2017-01-06 Thread Clayton.sf
Bars are spoken for pending payment. On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 12:38:52 PM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote: > > Mounted but not used. Filleted version in 54cm. > > $130 shipped to CONUS. > > Clayton Scott > SF, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: WTB ChocoMoose or BullMoose Bars

2017-01-06 Thread Timothy Hurley
Found a pair! Thanks everyone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Bill
Before tossing the baby out with the bathwater I'd suggest examining fit and components. Consider stem height and extension along with handlebar choice, width, and position. Also saddle height and fore/aft position as well as tire choice and pressures. I also have a 60cm Sam and we are the same

[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco Moose Filleted

2017-01-06 Thread Philip Kim
pm sent On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 3:38:52 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote: > > Mounted but not used. Filleted version in 54cm. > > $130 shipped to CONUS. > > Clayton Scott > SF, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: FS: B Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light - $50 shipped.

2017-01-06 Thread David Banzer
Bump & lower. $43 shipped. On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: > > Had this on my main commuting bike, a VO Campeur, and swapped it for a > IQ-X as my commute now includes a couple miles of windy dirt trail that's > as dark as can be. > This light worked

[RBW] Re: Need Help Pricing MB-1

2017-01-06 Thread Chad
Depending on the year, I think $500-600 would be fair based on its condition. I would put a slight premium on the '87 with the dirtdrop bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Bill Lindsay
Given your height of 6'0" and your weight of 155lbs, I tend to think that it's a combination of things. If you aren't loading the bike down with gear, then it's easy to consider a San overbuilt for you and for how you are using it. It's a country bike. It says so right on the decals. If

Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Ryan Fleming
Wasn't 2009 when the Sam was introduced? Seems to me you're not the only one who's been less than thrilled by the ride... That being said, if you are not happy with it, as others have said, time to move Sam and get something you're happy with...Rivendell or otherwise On Thursday, January 5,

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Philip Kim
John, have you done a time test? Maybe borrow a bike that feels faster for a couple of days. Ride up the same hill with both bikes, the hillborne first, and then the "faster bike" next? Then reverse the order the next day and compare times? I have found riding on many Rivs, it's a very stable

[RBW] Re: Need Help Pricing MB-1

2017-01-06 Thread Philip Kim
i've seen MB1s on ebay for 800-1000, but they didn't sell. i would shoot for starting bid at maybe $500 to get a lot of views and see how high it goes? On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 10:50:39 PM UTC-5, Jock Dewey wrote: > > Hey, y'alls: > > My son is in the advocacy biz (BikeAthens) and they

[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread eflayer
I have owned 2 orange Rambouillets, 1 coupled green Rambouillet, and 2 Bleriots. I absolutely loved the aesthetics of all of them. On the other hand, either they did not fit my riding style or they always felt heavy / sluggish. I love to ride fast, smooth, no bags, no extra weight. Other bikes

Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
Joe, "level" is not relative. You put a level on it and look at the bubble, and when you do that with a Saluki you find that it has a slightly upsloping top tube: 2.5 degrees for the 47cm size, 1.5 degrees for the rest. It's documented, see for yourself:

Re: [RBW] Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
Or, it could just be that in the days of level top tubes, smaller diameter tubes were used to build bicycles, resulting in more flexible frames than would be the case with oversize tubing of the same thickness. And more flexible frames indeed can climb better. On 01/06/2017 06:57 AM, Eric

Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

2017-01-06 Thread Lee Legrand
I do not own a brompton but from all my research on folders when it comes to commuting by bicycle, compact folding, weight or you just decided to get rid of your car and need to get around using public transportation and bicycle, nothing beats the Brompton. The only negative I could possibly give

Re: [RBW] Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Eric Daume
Clearly, the up sloping top tube is making your climbs effectively steeper. That's why it's more difficult :) On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 5:29 PM, John Bokman wrote: > I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical > properties of the upsloping top tube on my

Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

2017-01-06 Thread Garth
Chris, yes I do recall that also about the expanded geometry. For myself it does not really change anything since stock frames are stock frames, they are going to fit who they will and those who are "close enough" may or may not actually be satisfied long term. Just like wearing clothes,