I love learning from others too, Leah. Thanks for this thread idea! Here are
a couple of crash tales from my twenties:
I was living in Colorado far away from family, car-less, and looking for a
job. It was the year before grad school and fortunately, I was able to cobble
enough money
Over the 50 some years I’ve been riding I’ve “crashed” numerous times. But
rather than relate tales of those I’d like to sing the praises of bump and
touch drills. I encountered these when riding with a racing focused club but
I’d hope other types of clubs or clinics do such things. Im no great
You're halfway there now. All you gotta do is slide that bracket on your fender
and put it back on!
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using a spacer (riv sells nice ones though they are currently out of stock) and
a longer bolt allows the rack strut to clear the fork blade without needing to
go flush along the fork end (aka drop out) between the qr axel and the end of
the fork blade. We’re you to do that you would likely find
Woo, that was a fascinating read on black ice. That author was talented - I had
to skip ahead and find out what would happen to his daughter.
I looked at my fender and rack and realized they required hex keys, which I
love. I got so far as to get the fender nearly off and realized there is a
Thanks Justin
totally agree
This group needs to stay in it's lane or it's really not worth being a part
of.
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:16:07 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
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> As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high
> risk all of this anti-science
As chance would have it; I lost my job just as this was starting to blow
up, but I can't breath easy even though the kids are out of school because
my wife is a nurse. :-(
As an aside (and qualifying it with a disclaimer, because I am not a
medical professional) I *THINK* this YouTube channel
My wife and I are both hospital-based physicians in northwest Washington
state so we are very much on the front lines of this. I have also noticed
plenty of anti-science in this thread, but have resisted (and will continue
to resist) calling it out because a listserv dedicated to Rivendell
The answer to the OP's question is riding in groups with decent distance yes,
pacelines no
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Again, anti-science? Please, help me understand what this means and where
it appears in this conversation. Please, be specific.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Daniel M wrote:
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> Thank you for calling it out, Justin.
>
> It's insidious and it's dangerous.
Thank you for calling it out, Justin.
It's insidious and it's dangerous.
Daniel M
Berkeley, CA
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Sorry about the link. And I just looked at my dropout. has dual eyelets
and I'm using the top ones so my setup does not mirror yours. It does make
me wonder about the origin of my bike. Dual eyelets, on front dropout but
no rack eyelets on fork.
On Sunday, 15 March 2020 13:51:11 UTC-7,
Who here has voiced anything anti-science, Justin?
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:16:07 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
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> As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high
> risk all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away
> from this group as a
As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high risk
all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away from this
group as a contributing member.
It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging
impacts on people.
Grow up.
Steilacooms are spoken for
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 7:51:44 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:
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> Pm sent
>
> Thank you
> Ray
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Since you prefer local pick up which for something this size I obviously
understand, i'll submit my interest in the event that you have to ship it
because no one is interested.
With that being said my son is only a few months so i'm in no way in a rush
to take it, so please let this covid
We do need all of us, in humble kindness. The world is experiencing
something unprecedented, both in the rapidly spreading new coronavirus and
the more rapidly spreading virus of fear. That we may the better apply
ourselves to addressing the virus, let kindness and reason rule our hearts,
Pm sent
Thank you
Ray
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Attached find a pair of Rivs (and their owners) on a bright and chilly day
- me and my trusty Hunq and my wife on her maiden Cheviot voyage, after I
spent way too long building it up... She likes it!
Jay Lonner
Bellingam, WA
On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
Enjoyed this discussion, and wound up buying a pair of Red Wing mocc toe
boots (see attached photo). The chukkas didn’t have enough room for my
high-volume forefoot. The breaking-in process is going smoothly, and I look
forward to wearing these for years to come.
Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA
On
I’m Putting the same setup on my new caliper Hillborne : Mark’s Rack with a
Wald 137 Medium basket. I’ve got albatross bars. I hope it all works
together.
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My crash stories begin way back in the mid-60's. My first "decent" bike
was a Raleigh three-speed knock-off of some kind or another. I was riding
down a long hill along the edge (no shoulder) of a major concrete, curbed
thoroughfare when I, not knowing any better, rode across a storm sewer
I thought I was Lance Armstrong. My commute home was a leg of the tour. I was
riding hard, head down. Next thing I know there’s a lady on the street that I’d
put the front wheel between the legs of. She was getting her mail and we
collided. Luckily she was young and could take it. She was
Party on, Garth! 藍
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Garth -- I appreciate your good nature.
Patrick
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:59 PM Garth wrote:
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> ( ( ( ( Laughing ) ) ) )With Patrick Moore.
>
>
>
> You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a
> couple of my favorites. It's amazing the depth and breadth
I remember when I was in elementary school watching a kid riding as hard
as he could, head down and not looking where he was going, ride right
into the back of a New York City garbage truck. He ended up flying over
the bars, inside the truck, sprawled out in the garbage. The bike was a
total
Ooh, I have that story from about the same age, too, Garth! I was cruising
along on my Sting-Ray (probably) and got distracted for a moment..
KABLAMMO..suddenly I find myself sprawled on the back of a parked VW Beetle. I
hope the cute girl across the street was impressed. The one I was
You know, we just need all of us. That’s what I’m going with from now on.
Just got word Nevada has no school until middle of April at least. We’re
grounded these days, I imagine we’ll all be ”seeing” each other a bit more
here. Like family!
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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:59 PM,
Oh I remember running into a parked pickup truck at low speed in front of
the County garage in the fairgrounds at age 12 or something ! My new
Raleigh 3 speed as unharmed too.
Ummm ... keep your head up ?
Ahahahahahah !!!
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:40:10 PM UTC-4, Bicycle
( ( ( ( Laughing ) ) ) )With Patrick Moore.
You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a
couple of my favorites. It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels,
hears and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play".
In celebration of what LIFE
I was on a folding bike at my old apartment, rode to the mailbox. Grabbed the
mail, put it on top of the bars and rode back. At one point I came to a turn in
the path and..I don't remember if I couldn't reach a brake lever or what
exactly went wrong but I could tell I was about to WAY overshoot
On a recent thread, we veered off topic things that might cause crashes.
Stories began pouring in, and they were fascinating and useful. I think we
should have a new thread here where you can contribute your experiences and the
rest of us can learn a thing or two. For instance, I didn’t know a
Steve - I shuddered. I examined your photos before your explanations and I
could see the potential danger in them and it made me wonder how I knew. It’s
from being a kid and crashing, I’m certain of it. Kids learn this stuff the
hard way and apparently, we remember as adults! I knew exactly
I was on a folding bike at my old apartment, rode to the mailbox. Grabbed the
mail, put it on top of the bars and rode back. At one point I came to a turn in
the path and..I don't know if I couldn't reach a brake lever or what exactly
went wrong but I could tell I was about to WAY overshoot the
I appreciate Garth, too. I mean I've given him the business many times, but I'm
Kinder Gentler Joe now and we're currently in the Apocalypse. Bigger fish to
fry and whatnot!
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That's what I have on my Homer and I recommend it. If I put too much weight
on it, I can feel it as it deteriorates handling, but generally speaking it
works like a charm.
If you plan to carry a heavier laptop plus other stuff, I suggest adding
the additional struts and something to tie the
I’m looking to outfit my Homer with a front basket rather than rear and
considering Mark’s rack as it is seems small and light and ideally won’t effect
handling while unloaded. 95% of use when loaded would be carrying my messenger
bag with laptop for work or a single bag of groceries so not too
Thanks everyone, I'll follow Bill's lead and probably save the rack to an
upcoming Susie build.
Ted, the problem isn't the QR, it's the notch in the fork and the location
of the boss.
Sky, I tried your link, but it seems your account is private.
Max
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:57:16 PM
I appreciate Garth. Trying to figure out just what the heck he is saying has
taken my mind off the global pandemic for a while.
"Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.”
—Derek Zoolander
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Steve, we should start such a thread - real crashes and what caused them. I’d
read every last entry.
The noise I heard was definitely part of my bike - I could feel it.
Pretty sure those fender bolts require hex keys - and hex keys are my jam, so
I’ll rip that rear fender right off.
Just
On 3/15/20 4:29 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Robert, wow. Glad to hear you recovered and sorry that this crash had such a
lasting impact on the way you ride. I’m glad you have been able to work through
it (though you clearly have some traumatic effects); it’s inspiring.
Ted and Steve
Deborah - this supports what I heard on the local news channel last night.
Our governor, like many, has nixed all get-togethers, whether schools,
churches, movies, or other social events of over 250 people for a period of
2 weeks, i.e., until the end of the month. However, a comment from a
Robert, wow. Glad to hear you recovered and sorry that this crash had such a
lasting impact on the way you ride. I’m glad you have been able to work through
it (though you clearly have some traumatic effects); it’s inspiring.
Ted and Steve - very interesting tales, and good for us to know
This reminds me there's gotta be a better way to cover wheels than this. I love
the look, I love the not getting sprayed with stuff on the street, but this
"hope they don't fail" business is for the birds. Birds who like that kind of
thing.
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I’ll agree with that Steve.
I can imagine situations where having a rear wheel lock up would be quite
stressful and dangerous, even if you were able to maintain control.
Riding in heavy traffic and crossing major intersections are two situations
that are easy to think of.
Btw- I do still run
I have a toyo 61cm atlantis w the basket rack installed. I felt pretty good
about it until i read Bill’s post (now self doubt begins to stir). I remember a
brief hiccup in the setupbut it seemed to smooth out easily enough.
Pic of setup from a distance here:
So much depends on what "group ride" means. If your notion of "group
ride" means pacelining and close contact that's probably not safe.
I led a ride yesterday. My ride report:
https://ohbike.memberlodge.org/reports/8827761
11 of us altogether. We had no physical contact with each other,
No over the shoulder loogies applies at all times, not just during
pandemics!
And here's something that will eat up 8 minutes of your isolation if you've
never seen it:
The Backwards Bicycle Brain
https://youtu.be/MFzDaBzBlL0
Cheers,
Austin
Sykesville, MD
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at
Slowly (very slowly to space out projects over the next couple, likely
more, weeks at home) cleaning out bike related things from the garage.
I bought this setup for my wife's Clementine as I have been very happy with
the same setup on my Clem. Well, one ride in my wife confided that she's
not
:) and no over the shoulder loogies!
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:32:16 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> And no snot rockets.
> On 3/15/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline
> ♀️♂️
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And no snot rockets.
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Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline ♀️♂️
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It's gone. Thanks for the interest.
Healthy trails!
jim m
wc, ca
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 9:48:31 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
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> On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 4:08:30 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> i have a CETMA Half Rack, https://cetmacargo.com/products/cetma-halfrack,
>> you can have cheap
Can a rear wheel lock up be problematic?
Let me tell you a little story. A few years ago, a colleague at work
wrapped a cast-off sweater around her seat post and rear rack. As she
was riding along, an arm of the sweater came loose. It got wrapped up
in the back wheel, which locked. Her
The OP asked what I think about bike gatherings in March 2020. I think most of
your group ride opportunities will get postponed or canceled. I think you
should go ahead and ride solo within reason but keep unnecessary interactions
with people to a minimum.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca
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Rotate the qr so it’s not over the mounting bolt, get a longer bolt and a
spacer so the rack mount stay can clear the fork blade.
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>From my perspective, you shouldn’t consider this rack of you don’t have bosses
>on top of the fork tips. There ar other racks that will accomplish the same
>things while attaching to the bosses below the fork tips
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca
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Front fenders are much more problematic than rear ones. A friend of mine
recently picked up a stick with her front tire which lodged under her front
fender. She is now recovering from a broken arm and can’t ride (except on an
indoor trainer). I once had a rear fender accordion up against the
Leah, it's the front fender that can cause trauma if it fails. A rear fender
doing something odd and interfering with your rear wheel is going to cause a
skid, which will most likely be no more dramatic than you gradually coming to
an unplanned stop.
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I was literally about to suggest that. “Salt Lake is close to a Vegas, right?”
:)
As for myself and the small crew I rode with, we do not work on bikes together
unless it’s trail side. Pre-ride, there may be texting pictures along the line
of “what should I ride?” or “I hope I can get this
I agree with this as long as I am able to yank Garth's chain.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:13 PM lambbo wrote:
> While a great source of community and bike/Rivendell related
> information...it is easy to consider this entire endeavor a foolish waste
> of time if we're shutting people down and
*He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness
begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the
abyss of unideal vacancy ...*
Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth wrote:
Is anyone using the Clem rack as a basket support on the front? There are
a couple of pictures on the Rivendell site that appear to have it on the
front, but they're not great.
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Leah,
Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my front
fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help secure the
fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed riding that nut
eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and contacted the wheel.
Has anyone successfully installed a basket rack on an older Toyo Atlantis?
Mine is a 61 with 700c wheels and I don't see how to make it fit. I thought
it would make a fun weekend project, but I'm stuck.
There's a notch that limits the angle of the support extension, see photo.
I tried longer
It does actually fit great when I'm riding it but with big tires there's
just not enough stand over for off road riding. It fits exactly how I
wanted, just the right amount of post showing for a correct look imo, but
not enough room for unplanned off road dismounts.
On Saturday, March 14, 2020
Saddle height is about 86cm
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 6:53:17 PM UTC-7, scott minor wrote:
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> I’ve never seen a 68cm Atlantis. I’m curious, do you know the saddle
> height in the photo?
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While a great source of community and bike/Rivendell related
information...it is easy to consider this entire endeavor a foolish waste
of time if we're shutting people down and arguing about who should be able
to say what when. I appreciate Garth's odd posts.
I'm personally quarantined
Wiggly fender comes in contact with wheel, gets sucked into the space
between the tire and the fork, wheel locks because it's jammed and Bye
Bye Love...
On 3/15/20 1:54 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake,
I won’t go back to that
Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I won’t
go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I wouldn’t have
known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us what happened? I
hope you are ok.
Best,
Leah
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> On Mar
It's not censorship to think your comments on this issue are a foolish
waste of time.
On 3/15/20 1:43 PM, Garth wrote:
What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this
or any topic, including yours.
What's done is done . censorship censored.
On Sunday, March 15,
What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or any
topic, including yours.
What's done is done . censorship censored.
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not
Keeping this in mind:
Half of the overall cases are expected within a period of a few weeks, with 95%
in a period of around 10 weeks.
>From columnist Megan McArdle: There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this:
>You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This
I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt-
not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how
and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop
"as is"
That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon
UPDATE: I got home from a ride/hike on Friday to find an email letting me know
that the homeless event has been canceled. They were adamant earlier in the
week about the show going on but, alas, it is not to be. I want to thank those
who chipped in their advice and eased my apprehension. I'd
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 4:08:30 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
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> i have a CETMA Half Rack, https://cetmacargo.com/products/cetma-halfrack,
> you can have cheap if you want.
>
>>
>>
Sorry for any confusion, I did not look closely at the link. I have an
earlier version of the Halfrack, and the
“I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the flu" and then "80% of
infected people are invisible because they are untested and asymptomatic."
Those two statements seem to not make sense together except to say we have yet
to understand what is happening.”
Not so hard for me to grasp. Even
Doug, you’re a *sweetheart* and thanks for your kind words. I am not on the
front lines of this for now; I echo your sentiments for all the healthcare
workers who ARE. I’ve followed the stories of some of the nurses fighting
COID-19 in other countries and it’s demoralizing.
I hope you all are
Leah,
I want to thank you and other health care workers who put themselves in harms
way to treat others. Your sense of humanity and selflessness is awe-inspiring
and certainly much appreciated.
Doug
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The flu vaccine is designed to produce “herd immunity.” Those weakest and
immune-compromised cannot take the vaccine. The rest of us get the vaccine to
shield babies, the sick, and the elderly. The more people protected, the lower
the spread. “The” flu isn’t always the “same” flu, which is why
If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying
anything might be a wise choice.
On 3/15/20 10:09 AM, Garth wrote:
You have no say in the matter.
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Garth, this really isn't the time for
“I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the flu" and then "80% of
infected people are invisible because they are untested and asymptomatic."
Those two statements seem to not make sense together except to say we have yet
to understand what is happening.”
The issue is that people do not
You have no say in the matter.
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> Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.
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Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.
On 3/15/20 6:41 AM, Garth wrote:
Reminds of these few movie scene words with Uncle Jack and Tom
"You want answers ?
.I want the Truth
You can't handle the Truth"
The Truth is The Truth is The Truth . Truth, The Whole
On 3/14/20 11:38 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Philip, as it’s been in our country for ages, we have some natural immunity to
influenza.
Not to mention vaccines that provide acquired immunity.
We have none to COVID-19. COVID-19 is a virus new to us,
and a vaccine is
If you're responding to me, Philip, no, I am not making any particular
conclusion other than we don't know far more than we realize, including
what we think we know. I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the
flu" and then "80% of infected people are invisible because they are
untested
Reminds of these few movie scene words with Uncle Jack and Tom
"You want answers ?
.I want the Truth
You can't handle the Truth"
The Truth is The Truth is The Truth . Truth, The Whole Truth and
nothing but Truth is Truth .
Unchallengingly unchallengeable . Indivisibly
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