Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Nick, nice work crafting your home-brew chainguard! Regards, Richard On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-5, Nick Payne wrote: > > Here's the crankset on my Bleriot. Sugino XD cranks, 36/24 chainrings. I > made the chainguard from an old TA 41t chainring by hacksawed the teeth off > and

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Well, some of the "avert your eyes" applied to the USPS bike is due to the largely erased history it was involved with, but yeah, it's not much to look at. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

FYI, that DiNucci was built for Patrick Brady over at Redkiteprayer. He wrote a few articles on it. This one (http://redkiteprayer.com/2017/02/the-dinucci/) describes the tubeset and components. Velo-Orange brakes, compact double, Zipp Wheels, fits 35 mm tires. Yellow Submarine–inspired paint

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 1:28:26 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I think you've nailed it with "respect for 50yo carbon frames", they will > be virtually non-existent. There's no real concern for the longevity of > current electronic shifting systems because they'll be replaced in a few

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Sheeeit! I knew that this new fangled shifting stuff was over rated. Glad I stuck with ss/fixed! Seriously good on him. Patrick "hands grimly gripping the bar" Moore, in sunny, mild, and breezy ABQ, NM (where he carried 21 lb home in his Ortlieb Sports Packers attached to his Matthews front

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I think you've nailed it with "respect for 50yo carbon frames", they will be virtually non-existent. There's no real concern for the longevity of current electronic shifting systems because they'll be replaced in a few years along with the frame they're attached to. I think traditional steel

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On 03/10/2017 02:35 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 4:18:17 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote: With the electro stuff, are they gonna have batteries indefinitely ? I doubt you will see may "classic" electro shifting bikes down he road with original parts. Me, I am

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 4:31:18 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > Boy, this all makes my 84 Trek look better & better, because I don't want > to buy stuff I want to Just Ride. > That's great! If a 1984 Trek is all you need to ride, then I say Just Do It! In contrast, I have a buddy

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

No, they're just chainrings I had in my parts collection. Probably originally 8- or 9-speed - definitely not 10-speed. The 36t is a Shimano and the 24t a stainless steel Sugino. Take no notice of the garbage spouted by the manufacturers about needing speed-specific chainrings. I've got several

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

I've used generic Sugino and ancient Pro 5 Vis rings with 10 speed chains; no problems at all. On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steven Frederick wrote: > Are those standard Sugino rings, and they work fine with a 10 speed > chain? One of the chief issues I'm running into is

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Are those standard Sugino rings, and they work fine with a 10 speed chain? One of the chief issues I'm running into is finding 10-speed specific rings in my preferred tooth count/BCD... Thanks, Steve On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Nick Payne wrote: > Here's the crankset on

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 4:18:17 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote: > > With the electro stuff, are they gonna have batteries indefinitely ? I > doubt you will see may "classic" electro shifting bikes down he road with > original parts. Me, I am getting a bit turned off by all the technology >

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Here's the crankset on my Bleriot. Sugino XD cranks, 36/24 chainrings. I made the chainguard from an old TA 41t chainring by hacksawed the teeth off and smoothing down with file and sandpaper. Deore XT 2x10 front derailleur. Rear gearing is an 11-36 10-speed cassette with 9-speed XT rear mech

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Yes, I don't just want, I *NEED* high-q. Low-q makes my knees hurt, all other things being equal. I've tried, believe me. I'm just big with big hips and my feet need to be farther apart than that. I use pedal extenders on top of having a high-q crank. Jim On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM,

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Thanks, Bill-I prefer a wider Q as well. I should look for those rings to fit cranks I already have, see if I can put something together. Steve On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Bill M. wrote: > I have two Campy Record Triple cranks that I run without outer rings to >

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

I have two Campy Record Triple cranks that I run without outer rings to create ultra-compact doubles. 135 mm TA and Stronglight chainrings are available from XX Cycle in France. Bottom brackets are pretty scarce, though. The inner is a standard 74 mm ring. Many iBOB's will shudder at the

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Boy, this all makes my 84 Trek look better & better, because I don't want to buy stuff I want to Just Ride. Michael On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 7:18:17 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote: > > With the electro stuff, are they gonna have batteries indefinitely ? I > doubt you will see may "classic" electro

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

With the electro stuff, are they gonna have batteries indefinitely ? I doubt you will see may "classic" electro shifting bikes down he road with original parts. Me, I am getting a bit turned off by all the technology creeping into everything, as if a computer is "THE answer" to everything, and

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

A thought as an aside: a 44 X 12 (99 gi with 27" wheel) is smack in the middle of a 50 X 13 and a 50 X 14; and at the other end, a 24 X 32 (20 gi) is just 10% lower than a 30 X 36 (22 gi). I got compact, indeed sub compact, gearing with a 52/38 using a cassette with a 16 t Miche outer cog. IOW,

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 12:59:50 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 03/09/2017 03:32 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:16:59 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> >> >> On 03/09/2017 01:05 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 8,

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Dude, c'mon. Not here, not anywhere. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 1:12:30 PM UTC-8, Skenry wrote: > > Too bad this didn't come up on yesterday's women's day. Maybe her > husband can show her how her bike works. > -- You received this message because you

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And the lady who didn't charge her battery probably wouldn't charge her lights, or lube her cables or replace her chain or... Too bad this didn't come up on yesterday's women's day. Maybe her husband can show her how her bike works. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Steve Palincsar

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On 03/09/2017 03:55 PM, Scott Henry wrote: Not sure on why you would need a tablet. Do you take extra cables and spokes on your rides too? For the most part, electric shifting is pretty rock steady. Being with a shop that sells them, I've had one DI2 come back. One. I stopped

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Yes, I carry spare cables at all times, and on really long brevets (more than 600K) I carry an extra bar end shifter too! And a spare tire too for that matter, at all times. I run high spoke counts so I don't have to carry spare spokes - never had a spoke fail on a wheel with 36 or more spokes

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On 03/09/2017 03:32 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:16:59 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 03/09/2017 01:05 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 9:29:31 PM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote: On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 2:14:48 PM

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Not sure on why you would need a tablet. Do you take extra cables and spokes on your rides too? For the most part, electric shifting is pretty rock steady. Being with a shop that sells them, I've had one DI2 come back. One. I stopped trying to see how long the battery lasts, It just keeps

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

The one Randonneur that I know who has electronic shifting, it has failed him twice on long brevets. He says hooking it up to his laptop and resetting the whole system fixes it. He's an extremely strong rider despite being in his mid-60s and he can deal with having front shifting only. Last

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:16:59 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 03/09/2017 01:05 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 9:29:31 PM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> On 03/08/2017

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On 03/09/2017 01:05 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 9:29:31 PM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote: On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 03/08/2017 04:21 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: For my next bike, I'm planning on

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Which cranks and rings were those, Bill--I'd like to set up my all road bike with a 44t big/28-32t small crankset and 10 speed shimano road mechs, but I'm having trouble finding a crank that'll work. Steve On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 12:29:31 AM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote: > > On Wednesday, March

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 9:29:31 PM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 03/08/2017 04:21 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: >> >> For my next bike, I'm planning on going etap "wireless" with mid-cage RD. >> I want to run 11-32 in

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I attached that video of Merckx to give image to Jan Heine's observation of the riding style necessitated by the CFRP frame he tested in the current BQ and how it differed from his regular bike(s) with frame flex, suppleness. He illustrated his point by describing how Merckx pedaled with his

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 03/08/2017 04:21 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > For my next bike, I'm planning on going etap "wireless" with mid-cage RD. > I want to run 11-32 in the rear with a sub-compact double like a 46x30 or > 46x28. Since I don't

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

> > It's not quite that simple if you need low gears. The "generic road bike" > these days is carbon, and there's a good chance it has a non-round seat > tube because swoopy sells. So instead of clamp on front derailleurs we > have braze-on style mounting tabs. And in many cases those

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

It's 7 speed indexed or I guess 10 speed friction. Fair winds, Captain Conway Bennett > On Mar 8, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Does your XC-Pro shifter have a pure friction option? I thought they all had > a choice of hard or soft clicks to avoid a

[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Does your XC-Pro shifter have a pure friction option? I thought they all had a choice of hard or soft clicks to avoid a click/friction patent Shimano had. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On my XO I run a 1x10. Wolf tooth drop stop up front, medium cage ultegra 6700 out back with an XT cassette and chain. It all shifts flawlessly with an XC-Pro thumbie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

The comment about people not buying cranks and shifters anymore struck me because I realized I'm kinda there now. I used to do a lot of drivetrain swapping/upgrading, more as part of the "hobby" than for any real hope of improving functionality. My Appaloosa came from RBW with Sugino cranks,

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On 03/08/2017 04:21 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:41:59 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: With Shimano road 11 they've taken road cassettes to 32T, but for many with the usual (and often not replaceable with any better gearing) 34/50 that's not a

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

Segueing a lil' bit: there was another thread today on this list or t'other, where someone attached old video of Eddy one one of the big rides. Very interesting to see (I guess this was very early '70s) how pedaling had changed from the days of Coppi and late Bartali. You watch even older video of

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

I guess the gaps are getting so narrow that any difference between marques disappears. But that's a good thing. What about derailleurs? Are road and mountain bike derailleurs compatible with the opposite shifters? And what about shifter compatibility between the different marques? Frankly, if I

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:41:59 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > > With Shimano road 11 they've taken road cassettes to 32T, but for many > with the usual (and often not replaceable with any better gearing) 34/50 > that's not a low enough low gear. It was much simpler

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

On 03/08/2017 02:52 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: 1. Road 10 speed derailleurs and shifters are completely incompatible with mountain (dyna sys) 10 speed derailleurs and shifters. The cable pull by the shifters is different for both front and

[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

1. Road 10 speed derailleurs and shifters are completely incompatible with mountain (dyna sys) 10 speed derailleurs and shifters. The cable pull by the shifters is different for both front and rear. 2. Nine speed rear derailleurs will not work