Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

I noticed the assertion about plantar fasciitis, too, and went, "What? Plantar fasciitis isn't viral." Similarly, I looked up metals poisoning the other morning, and while yes, aluminum disrupts the function of the blood brain barrier, symptoms are only ever seen in people with renal (kidney)

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Kidneys: so good for you, we were made with two. On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: > > I'm now much less concerned about ingesting aluminum, and more > appreciative of my kidneys. > > Philip > www.biketinker.com > > -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

The bottom line is it does not matter what we say ! Whether it is said to be harmless or deadly, and all degrees in between . . . . . who's to know without any doubt, Absolutely ? Decide for your Self , no one else can no matter the so-called "credentials". Life is Love and Love

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On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:14:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote: > > > “… walking without shoes has many hidden dangers: stepping on sharp metal > or glass; picking up a stray virus like plantar fasciitis, a parasite like > hookworm, or a bacteria like pseudomonas; not to mention risking

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Looks like aluminum to me, but the amount is probably so little, and absorption rates through skin so small, compared to other sources that you are probably ingesting or absorbing into your bloodstream via other routes (e.g., smoking), that it's probably of no consequence. Anton velolumino.com

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Patrick- I'm still thinking wood is the way to go: Get a scrap of 1/4" plywood and step on it. (You could also experiment with 1/8", but it might be a bit too flexible.) Trace or have someone else trace your foot. Cut the foot shaped pieces out, or use them as a template to form you

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How's plywood once it gets wet? There are two possible issues here: delamination and slipperiness. On 09/21/2015 11:47 AM, M D Smith wrote: Patrick- I'm still thinking wood is the way to go: Get a scrap of 1/4" plywood and step on it. (You could also experiment with 1/8", but it might be

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still available in the aftermarket:

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Aren't those platforms on the CHP pedals aluminum? On 09/21/2015 11:32 AM, Eric Norris wrote: How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still available in the aftermarket:

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While we're talking way out and wonderful ways of the pedal . . . . .how about wrapping your existing pedals in twine ? You could install the original pins , some or all, and use them to stabilize the twine of some gauge . By the time you're finished with the twine, the cleats and the

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Yes, but that wide, flat platform would seem to reduce the pressure points that the Deacon is experiencing from standard pedals. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com > On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Aren't

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I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to plywood. White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts countersunk in white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar. Even better if the profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so that

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Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones: Take a 4" section of wood; 2 X 4 is good. Bore hole through the middle. Slide over pedal spindle. Add washer, nut, and locknut. Or you can just pedal on the

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Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. The Motos are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I suspect, is too small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same size and they are too small underfoot. The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare

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On 09/21/2015 10:46 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. The Motos are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I suspect, is too small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same size and they are too small underfoot.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals barefoot and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the plastic pedals? It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the material to something else. Plastic, wood, rubber, etc. By the way, these look

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

I have 1/4" solid oak platformes from my Bullseye pedals, just unsure what/how to mount them on a pedal. Today I forgot and took off without shoes. Great ride. I took this after some LCG up decomposed granite, but some of the discoloration can still be seen. I'm posting because poking a

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if it doesn't get splinters in his feet, Deac won't like it. On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 11:40:47 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber > block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones: > > Take a 4" section of

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

It is none of those things, and if you thought about it objectively for a moment, you'd see it right away. If you are looking for a source of a problem, do you look first at the obscure causes, or do you look first at those known to be the most likely? On 09/19/2015 10:31 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

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> > is self righteousness! > I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict.> Acknowledgment is the first step, but the alkaloid "green monkeys" are both large and surprising (not to diminish your relationships

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had no idea smoke police were invited to this party -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

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ps, can I be the shoe police? On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > had no idea smoke police were invited to this party > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

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What is this . let's judge DP's(and/or everyone) life , for "I know the Truth and Source of Life itself" ?For judgment to be true , there must be Truth Absolute to back it up . Unless a so-called truth is Absolute , meaning unquestionable and constant, it is not Truth, but a

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

This is not judgment, policing or Truth Absolute. It's nothing more than Occam's Razor. Which is a more likely source of ingestion into the body of aluminum, transference through the soles of the feet or ingestion via the lungs and the mouth? The soles of the feet are designed to protect

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it's hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his tacks, haven't called him out on anything more than shoes, and I try to do that with humor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

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With me there is certainly a lot of "weird" to choose from! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 8:31:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > it's hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly > Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his

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Steve, I appreciate your concern and the point you are making beneath the emotional bombast. I also agree, you are not judging me, you are focused on an action I choose to do. You are attempting to "love the sinner hate the sin." Grin. At the risk of sending you round the bend, I only just

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Does Patrick smoke cigarettes? "Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these hazardous elements" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

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I'd say that sugar, salt and fat are more addictive... But most addictive is self righteousness! I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

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There's no material difference between the toxins in cigarette smoke and the toxins in pipe smoke. Tobacco smoke is full of toxins. And if you think you can smoke your pipe and not inhale you are deluding yourself. These things have all been well known for hundreds of years. So let's do

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"Grey area" regarding smoking? Huh? If not for the fact that I'm reading this on a smart phone, I would think I've returned to the 1950s. The harmful effects of tobacco use of any kind are well-documented … unless you don't believe in science, modern medicine, etc.. Even if you don't inhale

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No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 12:25:15 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote: > > Does Patrick smoke cigarettes? > > "Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these > hazardous elements" > -- You

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

And that's a far more likely source of heavy metal poisoning than transfer from pedals through the soles of your feet. On 09/18/2015 09:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 12:25:15

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The study you linked to researched cigarettes... On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 6:28:18 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > And that's a far more likely source of heavy metal poisoning than transfer > from pedals through the soles of your feet. > > On 09/18/2015 09:03 AM, Deacon Patrick

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Daniel, I hope someday I get the opportunity to ride with Steve. I think that would be a blast. When it comes to certain topics, including me and pipes and helmets, he sees a whole lot of stupid (and may be right) where I see a whole lot of grey area and personal choice. So he now pokes and

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

In regards to aluminum , it should be noted that all Al that is used in everything is not the same . Some is anodized , which is a chemical process that makes it's surface relatively inert . I say relatively only because acids and highly caustic chemicals can compromise it. Skin contact ,

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Deacon, pardon me for jumping in so late in the conversation. I haven't read all of the previous 26 replies so some of this may repetitive. Al is a known neuro disrupter, as you know. It does seem unlikely that the pedals are the cause of your problem, since the metal is unheated. But you

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Thank you all! I'm not ready to search for new pedals just yet. I have these and I have shoes and I know that combo works. We're in to cooler days now, so it's less an issue to wear shoes (plus everything has got to seed and dried up, and that adds barefoot fun!). Michael, yes the most likely

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Weren't those those CHIPs Phil Wood pedals? Patrick, didn't you have those at some time, or weren't you interested them at some time? On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-5, M D Smith wrote: > > Patrick- > > Have you considered wooden pedals? > > I can't find the exact thing I'm

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Yes, the Bullseye Roger Durham wood platform pedals were mine to their end and they gave me their all. You can just see one here (especially if you click the enlarge view button): https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9242340546/in/album-72157634546062347/ With abandon, Patrick On

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On 09/17/2015 11:50 AM, Ellis Dee wrote: Hi Deacon, You should be aware that many antacids--both prescription and over the counter--contain aluminum hydroxide, as per: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a601013.html So, if you take a teaspoon of Maalox you've just ingested

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If you're worried about cramping you could also try some Unsuphured Blackstrap Molasses. Tons of Potassium, smoky sweet salty taste and Mark Sisson approved. Good luck in your search. Mystery ailments are not enjoyable. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

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Hi Deacon, You should be aware that many antacids--both prescription and over the counter--contain aluminum hydroxide, as per: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a601013.html So, if you take a teaspoon of Maalox you've just ingested more aluminum than you would get by riding on

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You could apply a coat of shellac to the platform surface of your pedals to seal the Aluminum surface. Cheap and easily repeatable as needed. Andy Cheatham PIttsburghj On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is

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On 09/16/2015 01:11 AM, Oliver S. wrote: Anyway, there's a lot more research you can do, but I think barefoot riding sounds harmless on the whole and with respect to aluminum. Just don't step off while the bike is still moving. I have an old, worn out pair of Sidi Dominators and the

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my freshman Chem prof, Dr. Hall, had an Uncle Charlie - concurrent inventor of the Hall-Bayer process and founder of Alcoa. On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:11:03 AM UTC-5, Oliver S. wrote: > > I understand your concern but doubt that the concentrations being > transmitted are

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Consider some Magnesium pedals :) Wellgo MG-1 , Canfield Crampon , Xpedo MX Force and Spry and DMR Vault and V12 are some , all with removable pins and all . I've had a couple of pairs of Wellgo's for years , perfect for my 12" foot length. Just add some grease to them when new and

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Thank you, Garth. With the exception of the Canfield Crampon Classic, they all have non-barefoot friendly platforms. I'll definately look into the classic. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 5:58:27 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote: > > > > Consider some Magnesium pedals :)

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Patrick- Have you considered wooden pedals? I can't find the exact thing I'm thinking of, but someone made at one point a kit that consisted of pedal spindles that one screwed into pieces of wood to make any sized platforms. I'm pretty sure I read it in an old Rivendell Reader at some

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Volcano Dirt? On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb > aluminum via riding barefoot? > > Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to > many “hard”

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Oh yeah guys , wood ! Brilliant I forget to mention these for Patrick , way cool . I think the shape may work for bare feet ? http://www.motobicycles.com/moto-urban-pedal-en.html -- You received this

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Or something along these lines http://problemsolversbike.com/blog/comments/how_to_make_skateboard_pedal_decks_for_clipless_pedals Could just use regular ply wood. -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

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Just in case anyone is concerned about the aluminum in their deodorant, I make my own. Make a paste of baking soda and coconut oil (warmed so that it is liquid), add 10-15 drops of your favorite essential oil and store in a glass container. Works SO MUCH BETTER than Tom's and is also cheaper

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Just in case anyone is concerned about the aluminum in their deodorant, I make my own. Make a paste of baking soda and coconut oil (warmed so that it is liquid), add 10-15 drops of your favorite essential oil and store in a glass container. Works SO MUCH BETTER than Tom's and is also cheaper

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Ha! If it's any consolation, winter's always put shoes on my feet. Grin. Unfortunately, I'm leaning that way all on my own to such an extent that I debated starting this thread at all as I wasn't sure it would change what I am doing. It's been a frustrating summer not getting out anywhere close

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I think we should say yes just to get Deac to wear shoes when he rides On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb > aluminum via riding barefoot? > > Here’s what prompts the bizarre

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

I understand your concern but doubt that the concentrations being transmitted are significant. My uncle Charlie studies how chemicals indoors end up in us, focusing mostly on phthalates transmitted through the skin and breathing. [And he and my aunt Lulu are longtime Riv fans and handed down

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Handlebar tape is an excellent idea, Philip! Skateboard deck tape came right off. I've thought of screwing rubber sheeting on, but at that point I may as well put on my ZEMgear shoes. Hm. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:00:20 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote: > >

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Even though aluminum is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust, it's always naturally found in a compoud with something else. It takes humans and electricity to get pure chunks you can rub on your feet. If I can find my roll of skateboard grip tape, I'll send you a couple

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I’d be more concerned about pathogens and other nasty stuff that you might pick up in bare feet while you’re walking around. There are benefits to walking barefoot, but also dangers: “… walking without shoes has many hidden dangers: stepping on sharp metal or glass; picking up a stray virus

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On 09/15/2015 02:14 PM, Eric Norris wrote: I’d be more concerned about pathogens and other nasty stuff that you might pick up in bare feet while you’re walking around. Not to mention nails and dog poop... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

Good question-- this is a concern with antiperspirants since many contain aluminum. A research paper on this effect (on mice) determined that about 0.01% of applied Al from antiperspirant is absorbed by the skin. Per application, that amounted to about 4 mcg, or about 2.5% of the amount of

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Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. After a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are definately rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The logic of it seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it being an

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that is aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt. If you rode on plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray? It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum develop any

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is only on the pedal contact spot. If it was dirt it would be that color other places too and it's not. I suspect sweat oxidizing the aluminum combined with the pressure to rub in off the pedal on/into the skin of my foot. Yes, the whole exposure