[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

FWIW, Rene's Shimano R600 levers are regular brake only levers , they are no different than any mtb or bar end lever in cable pull. Everyone is just guessing as to what the issue is and all that we can do without seeing it and feeling it in person. I assume his cabling to the rear is

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Jeremy, I didn't read your post as a polemic, but rather as illuminating. My personal experience has been that some road levers, especially Shimano SIS, pull too much cable to work effectively with cantis. My recommendation to the OP, before spending any money, call Paul's and talk through

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

My post was not intended as a polemic, but rather simply to clarify some of the dynamics at play with cantilever brakes and point out that high mechanical advantage does not necessarily create the highest possible braking force. High mechanical advantage brakes like v-brakes and discs (both

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What Jeremy says also misses the connection between low mechanical advantage (necessitating more grip strength) and arm/hand fatigue. There's a reason why systems only requiring one finger braking are highly prized for off road riding, same would go for any situation in which a rider is braking

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Jeremy, what you write makes perfect sense and is an excellent distillation of what Sheldon has written on the subject. However, in my experience theory doesn't always work out under real-world conditions. FWIW, I am a large man (6'3", 215#) with big hands (size 8.5 glove) and a strong grip

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Ref the Shimano Deore XT V brakes, I just rebuilt a 1997 Klein MTB that I've not been on since 2004. I cleaned the brake tracks, sanded the pads and was astounded at how great those brakes are (in the dry). Using shorty levers, I'm talking one finger operation per brake. A nice feature of the

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It may help to clarify a few things here, and define terms. Braking "power" is a tricky term, but for the purposes of my post we could define it as amount of normal force applied by the brake pad to the rim. This is dependent on the mechanical advantage of the braking system (brake, cables,

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

True. These brakes also allow for 27" to 700c conversion pretty easily as well on most bike from this era. On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 8:10:08 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Yes. Brian is right that you can just barely use late 80s brakes on your > early 80s bike. When I said nothing

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Paul v brake levers specifically -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

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Jay I got v brake light levers pleas email me philipw...@gmail.com as I'm on mobile now -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Yes. Brian is right that you can just barely use late 80s brakes on your early 80s bike. When I said nothing contemporary I meant nothing you can buy new and certainly nothing v-brake -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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Terrible pic, but here is my Clementine with 2" (50mm) tires and fenders and V brakes (and, embarrassingly enough, sans brake cable cap--on the way!) Gravel bike has a list of V-brake arm lengths: http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ The Shimano Deore XT is supposed to be a nice

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Looks like this1983 Voyageur SP. Fits 38mm Compass Barlow Pass EL tires and fenders.

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

You can use the Shimano SLR mid-profile cantis on that Passage w/ Salmon Kool Stops and greatly improve the braking IMHO. I have done it three separate times to 80's Schwinn touring bikes (Passage/Voyageur/Voyageur SP) On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 7:17:41 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > >

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Roadie Ryan You probably should not count on any contemporary brakes working on your schwinn passage. Canti-post placement for TINY cantilevers like the Dia Compe 960 is far different from canti-post placement for modern brakes. In fact if you do an image search on Google for "dia compe 960"

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I started out with Cani's (Avids) on my Handsome Devil but quickly grew frustrated and make the switch to V Brakes and they have worked great for 4 years. Mini Motos huh? nice tip -if the Cantis on my newly acquired vintage touring Schwinn Passage don't work out (Dia Compe 960s) I may give

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

It will work on my Hunqapillar but I think the brake arm length is a factor to consider as well. I have had good luck with the older, Shimano XT v-brakes. On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 4:04:52

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Tektro/Cane Creek and Dia Compe make road bar levers for v-brakes. There are no brifters that I am aware of but I have used the Dia Compe 287v with shimano bar ends for shifting. I don't like things like travel agents etc and avoid them. On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 4:05:54 PM UTC-4, Steve

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I would be tempted to try Motolites if I could find long-pull reverse brake levers. Paul stopped making them a few years ago, and I don't know of any other models out there. I'd love to buy a used pair of the Paul levers if any list members have a set for sale. Or maybe someone can point me in

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Ian asked what is the max tire size that Paul Mini-Motos will fit. The answer depends on where your frame builder put the posts, but it is normal to run them with monster cross tires 700x45, without fenders. With a fender and "good" fender clearance, maybe a 700x32. If you don't need

Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

What do you do to resolve road brake lever cable pull incompatibilities? On 08/30/2016 04:04 PM, Daniel Jackson wrote: Yeah. Clearance is the crux of it all. If you could accommodate 50mm tires with fenders under a v brake, many of us who use cantis might be inclined to try out some V

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Yeah. Clearance is the crux of it all. If you could accommodate 50mm tires with fenders under a v brake, many of us who use cantis might be inclined to try out some V options. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

This is why I no longer use cantilever brakes. V-brakes work and have allowed me to stop futzing. I know the purists are taught to hate V-bakes because they don't "look" the part, or you are lacking in mechanical skills if you don't enjoy spending time with them.In the real world they work

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Here is the source of my original confusion; extracted from the article linked by Alan: "*Straddle cable and yoke position* To get the most out of your canti brake, it's crucial to get the straddle cable carrier (yoke) installed in the right position based on the type of brakes you are running.

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Looking at that photo, my yoke is quite a bit higher than that. I'll take some photos and report when I start working on the bike. Just got home and I'm beat. René On Friday, August 26, 2016, Michael Hechmer wrote: > That's right Steve, and looking at your setup, the

Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

That's right Steve, and looking at your setup, the straddle seems to be 4-5" up and at about 65-75 degrees. As the brake arm lifts it moves toward 90 degrees and should gain power. BTW, nice looking bike. Michael On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 6:15:22 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On

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That's right. I was thinking specifically of the STI levers. On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:26:01 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote: > > I think, to be fair, "Shimano levers" was in reference to modern STI > brifters. Maybe not but I'd assume so given the long history of success of > the

Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

I think, to be fair, "Shimano levers" was in reference to modern STI brifters. Maybe not but I'd assume so given the long history of success of the brake-only levers and cantis from Rivendell and others. -Justin, Oakland -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

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I have a Calfee tandem with SPYRE disks front and rear with 2011 version Ultegra STI. It will stop on a dime. Of course it is a fairly light tandem. I've debated putting a disk on the front of my Commotion but would prefer not having disks on a touring bike. The bike has couplers so it comes

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

I would guess that all Shimano road brake levers are designed for side pull brakes, cant's are not given much influence. V Brakes were designed to stop mountain bikes with relatively low weight on steep descents. Cantis come out of the touring tradition and assume a heavy bike at more modest

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Hey Michael, curious what brand tandem you own. I have a 2007 Commotion Speedster with Avid 7 V brake on front and disk on rear. I changed the read disk from BB7 to SPYRE. I also changed out the STI levers (terrible braking) with bar end shifters and TRP brake levers. That certainly improved

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

I'm using the Shimano R600 Ultegra brake levers. My current yoke height should he in the ballpark of the recommended height, but I'll check it when I get home tonight. René On Friday, August 26, 2016, Michael Hechmer wrote: > I have the neo retros on two singles and the

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

I have the neo retros on two singles and the tandem and have always had good performance from them. If you look at Paul's setup instructions they do not say to put the yoke as hi as possible. From memory they say something like 5". I am not a physicist but I believe the optimal force on the

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/2013/03/get-most-out-of-your-canit-brake.html On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-7, René wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've had Paul Cantis on my Atlantis (and Hunqapillar) since I acquired > them. Paul Centerpulls on the Homer after using the

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All I can tell you is my Paul touring cantis f/r are the best brakes I've ever squeezed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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On 08/25/2016 04:58 PM, René Sterental wrote: Spring tension? What would that have to do with how well the brakes stop the bike? Besides, spring tension is the same between the front and rear brakes. Well, as a general statement I am not sure, but I do know this one thing from personal

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Spring tension? What would that have to do with how well the brakes stop the bike? Besides, spring tension is the same between the front and rear brakes. My plan is this: - First try lowering the yoke as low as it will go on the Neo-Retros. I can do it since the Nitto Campee front rack I have

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

I'd read the black mountain cycles article on the topic. Also I believe I read on the Paul site that for neo retros 2-3" yoke height is good enough. I didn't read thru all the posts but have you adjusted spring tension yet? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Low profile cantis are generally as a rule stronger brakes (more mechanical advantage) than high profile. Not sure why Paul states otherwise. Getting low profile brakes set up correctly (lots of squish) was a revelation, they inspire a lot more confidence on my MTB -- You received this

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I've had REALLY good experiences with the cheapest Shimano cantilevers you can buy - the Altus can be had for about $8 a set (cheaper than most pads even). They are easy to set up, quiet, powerful, look good, and feel nice at the lever. Give them a shot! -- You received this message because

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I've had REALLY good experiences with the cheapest Shimano cantilevers you can buy - the Altus can be had for about $8 a set (cheaper than most pads even). They are easy to set up, quiet, powerful, look good, and feel nice at the lever. Give them a shot! -- You received this message because

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I've had REALLY good experiences with the cheapest Shimano cantilevers you can buy - the Altus can be had for about $8 a set (cheaper than most pads even). They are easy to set up, quiet, powerful, look good, and feel nice at the lever. Give them a shot! -- You received this message because

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Jay, Thanks to that article you linked to, I finally got it. Now I understand it. Still some practical questions: - Why is the typical setup Neo-Retros in the front with their lower mechanical advantage that requires so much more force to be applied? Because they're less finicky to adjust and

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

I'll have to go and re-read everything, can't figure out how I could have understood it in reverse. No matter what, it seems the Touring are going in the front when I get home this weekend. But I still want to understand it. René On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Jay Lonner

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

My cantilever education is ongoing. I must have read Sheldon's guides a dozen times over the years, but when it comes to actually getting the brakes to work it's like being back in school where I do the reading but blank on the test. Anyway, I've had Neo-Retros on my Hunq since I got it, and

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

"Per my education, the Neo-Retro needs the cable yoke to be as high as possible" You were educated incorrectly, or made the wrong conclusion from your education. The Mechanical Advantage (MA) of wide profile cantilever brakes like the Paul Neo-Retro is mathematically pretty FLAT as a function