Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question...

2023-07-20 Thread Nick Payne
I have a couple of bikes setup with 42/29 chainrings on 94BCD cranks and either 11-34 or 11-36 cassette. I find 42-11 quite a big enough gear - I can pedal it up to ~50kph without problem, and 29-34 or 29-36 can get me up some pretty long steep climbs also without problem. Nick Payne -- You

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2023-07-20 Thread greenteadrinkers
Garth - Thank you for the explanation, I'd only use the 40-tooth cog with the 26-tooth chainring, I'm in a fairly hilly region and not the strongest rider. Planning to pull my V/O wide double from my parts bin for this project. Would be nice to find a 42-tooth outer ring for that crankset.

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2023-07-20 Thread Ted W
OT: Yeah, 46-11 is a lot. It really depends on the terrain you ride but for where I live (fairly hilly) I’ve found that 42 front and 11-36 rear hits the sweet spot for commuting. With an 11-36 cassette I only occasionally find myself wanting a lower range every once in a while and I would say

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2023-07-20 Thread Garth
I forgot the gear inch link here : https://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS=26,46=11,13,15,18,22,27,33,40=2330=90=2.6=KMH=gearInches As you can see, the 46-11 is comically large, shame on all the parts mfg for offering so few usable choices. On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 1:07:26 PM UTC-4

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2023-07-20 Thread Garth
Scott, the RD total capacity is the sum of the difference between the high and low of the cassette and the crank. So 29 for the cassette and 20 for the crank = 49. While this exceeds the capacity, you can get away with using it "if" you don't run the 46t ring and the 40t cog, which you

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-19 Thread Jock Scott
Get the triple. Unless you have some particular physical concerns or unique pedaling style that needs to be addressed with a specific crank, q-factor is irrelevant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Jock Scott ebko...@gmail.com wrote: Get the triple. Unless you have some particular physical concerns or unique pedaling style that needs to be addressed with a specific crank, q-factor is irrelevant. Irrelevant to what? Some people feel more comfortable and

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2009-11-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, that's it! This shows just your own text. I generally cut out all the irrelevant quoted text and leave just the paragraphs my own response replies to. I've had some RBW mss with entire 3-day threads attached. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

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2009-11-17 Thread Christopher Paul
Drive train question: Shimano vs. Sram I have both in 9 speed versions (Sram red 11-34 and Shimano xtr 11-32). Both are great. I'm replacing most cassettes with Sram sram chains because they are easier to change (chain) and the price is a little better. Nine speeds are a little sturdier

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2009-11-16 Thread Rene Sterental
That's what it's all about! Being content with what you have... Then again, it's not being content what allows you to improve and discover new truths. That is how I found RBW... by refusing to be content... Then again... :-D I'm very happy to have found this group; lots of different experiences

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2009-11-16 Thread newenglandbike
I'm with you man.This thread is way over my head, but i'm ok with that! :D On Nov 16, 5:28 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: After trying to follow this thread, I'm content to be stuck in my 7 speed, friction shifted little corner of the world. Angus On Nov 15, 10:10 pm,

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2009-11-16 Thread Bruce
on one of the bikes. From: newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:03:53 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds... I'm with you man

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2009-11-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: LOL!!! What does efficiently bottom trimming mean? It means (a) keeping a bottom pull front derailleur from rubbing on a chainring, and (b) cutting off the excessive quoted text in a long-lasting thread. Thanks for

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2009-11-16 Thread Rene Sterental
I'm not sure what you mean... I don't do anything... just hit reply and write my answer. In my browser all I see after my post is a link that says - Show quoted text - , but no text is displaying. Is there something I need to do differently? However, I can see the quoted text in your response...

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2009-11-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Perhaps it's just me and my computer. Many replies to long threads will drag the entire tail-history of the thread along with them, so that, to reach the delete button or simply to see if there are any other new nuggets of information means scrolling down for a yard or more. I personally follow

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2009-11-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: For the cheapest option, I think, get the triple crank and make it a double. That way you don't have to ditch the shifters. You could move the outer ring to the middle position and have a 46/24 front, which would give you a

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-16 Thread Jim M.
I'm going to try to push that gap with my dura ace -- I'll let you know how it works. I know that Gino is running a 50/28 on his Saluki but I don't know which fd he has. He's riding the length of New Zealand currently, or on his way there, so he may not be able to answer right away. On Nov 16,

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2009-11-16 Thread Rene Sterental
Patrick, I think I get what you mean... is this better? On my different computers, running Safari on the Mac and IE8 on the PC, I don't see all the previous postings but only a link. However, I do see other messages that display them in various degrees. Here I just deleted the whole thread, and

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 19:53 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: Is there enough chain wrap with the Rival rear derailer to run the XX 36T cassette? There's also an 11-32T XX cassette out there that you could try. Presuming you don't cross-chain that could work??? You could also go down one size to

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-15 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
SRAM 10s brifters, SRAM bar-ends, or XX MTB shifters will shift on the XX cassette. If one wanted to try friction (bad idea IMO), I think a Shimano rear derailleur would be necessary. Why you'd want to spend several hundred dollars for a bleeding-edge cassette and then kludge together a bunch of

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 05:57 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: SRAM 10s brifters, SRAM bar-ends, or XX MTB shifters will shift on the XX cassette. That's not what SRAM's web site says. They say you need the XX derailleur which is incompatible with brifters and requires the XX MTB

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-15 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 05:57 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: SRAM 10s brifters, SRAM bar-ends, or XX MTB shifters will shift on the XX cassette. That's not what SRAM's web site says.  They say you need the XX

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Regarding friction and 9 speed: I've shifted 9 and 10 speed cassettes, both stock and home-brew (9 sp), with both down tube and Power Ratchet friction shifters, on and off road -- no particular problem; I did not find it any harder than with 7 or 8. Perhaps I have very sensitive and caring

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2009-11-15 Thread James Warren
With all due respect, Patrick, and with appreciation of your advice, the you that you mention is highly variable. I've tried to develop my high gear climbing as you illustrate, and so far, no luck. My knee isn't happy with it. I wish it wasn't, but it just isn't. Back to original topic, I'm

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 09:04 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 05:57 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: SRAM 10s brifters, SRAM bar-ends, or XX MTB shifters will shift on the XX cassette.

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2009-11-15 Thread Rene Sterental
Jim, The Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette is already available for around $55, although not widely yet. It is SLX level and comprised of 9 individual steel cogs, as far as I've beed able to ascert. I've also had knee issues which is why I prefer to spin at higher cadences when I can, and the

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2009-11-15 Thread Rene Sterental
The Sram barend shifters are compatible with the XX components. If anyone is interested, I'll have mine up for sale shortly. The shifting is very smooth and crisp. René orthie...@yahoo.com On 11/15/09, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, The Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette is

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2009-11-15 Thread nathan spindel
FWIW, I've been impressed so far with the 11-32 8 speed SRAM PG-850 cassette. Very wide range, smooth shifting w/ XTR deraileur Silver bar-ends, solid, and cheap - only $20 at my LBS. If you're concerned about price, it seems the most affordable option is to climb slightly easier hills four a

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2009-11-14 Thread Bruce
Rene: Here's my 2 cents. With bar ends (or downtube shifetrs) Anything works with anything. So, just change your rear der and cassette for way less. My Saluki runs Chorus 10 speed triple cranks and front der with a ShimaNo XT rear der and big pancake cogset. It's a 9 speed and I don;t think

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2009-11-14 Thread Angus
Rene, I agree $593 is pretty steep. You could also consider going to a triple crankset. I imagine that would be well on the good side of $500! Angus On Nov 14, 6:51 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Even though this may be a polarizing subject, I'd like to get solid arguments to

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2009-11-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I agree. $600 to get a 25 bottom gear is rather high. A 34/36 with a 28-32 700c tire gives you about a 25 low. A 24 t granny with a 28 t big cog and the same tire gives you a 23 low. If your rd can handle a 28 t cassette it can handle a triple if it and the chain are properly adjusted. What sort

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2009-11-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I wouldn't spend a whole lot trying to get a 36t cassette cog, since that's sorta bleeding edge ($$$) right now. If you get a typical MTB 44-32-22 triple (or one of the new 36/22 doubles), you can get a super low gear with a 32t or 34t cassette. With the usual RBW-issue Sugino, you could do a 24t

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2009-11-14 Thread stevep33
There is bonus to the shimano other generic cassettes in that they are available in a huge variety of gear ranges - tight ones, wide ones, high ones, low ones, and you can even customize them without too much trouble.The point is that you have many options with the shimano et al stuff to

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2009-11-14 Thread Richard
Sorry about thinking you can get a Shimano 10-speed cassette in the range you want. However, Interloc Racing Design (IRD) does make a 10- speed Shimano compatible cassette, although shifting might not be as precise as with a Shimano cassette. On Nov 14, 8:06 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net

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2009-11-14 Thread Rene Sterental
Thank you all for the great responses and ideas. Here are some more questions based on those... - I had not considered the alternative of going to a triple crankset; initially Mark suggested to keep the double for the lower Q factor, but I don't know how much of an issue that would really be for

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2009-11-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Yep, ditch the Rival shifters, cassette, rear derailleur, 10s chain. Sounds like you have an adequate 9s cassette already. With a Deore-ish rear derailleur, Shimano 9s bar-ends, and a 9s chain, you may keep the double crank and be satisfied with a 34/34 low gear and spend only $150 or so to get

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2009-11-14 Thread cyclotourist
Is there enough chain wrap with the Rival rear derailer to run the XX 36T cassette? There's also an 11-32T XX cassette out there that you could try. Presuming you don't cross-chain that could work??? You could also go down one size to a 33T small ring, which isn't a lot of change (3%), but might

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2009-11-14 Thread Donald Compton
Subject: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds... To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:53 PM Is there enough chain wrap with the Rival rear derailer to run the XX 36T cassette?  There's also an 11-32T XX cassette out there that you could

[RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds...

2009-11-14 Thread cyclotourist
. the sram road groups are not designed for low gears. don c. --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds... To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday

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2009-11-14 Thread Rene Sterental
and it did not work very well. the sram road groups are not designed for low gears. don c. --- On *Sat, 11/14/09, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question... AHH with 9 vs 10 speeds... To: rbw-owners-bunch