I sure like my bib shorts for longer rides. A hi-viz jersey is a practical
choice too-safe, comfortable/breathable, and the pockets are handy. If you
buy Club cut, or size up, they don't have to be overly tight either...
Steve
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com
A hi-viz jersey is a practical choice too-safe, comfortable/breathable,
and the pockets are handy.
Yes. But then you have invested on a top that can be somewhat impractical
when not on the bike for those of us uncomfortable wearing LOOK AT ME
clothing in a situations where look at me is
I can ride comfortably for 4 hours, longer than yeah probably padded
underwear.
With you here. At the insistent recommendation of some riders who use
them, I tried padded base layers on a four day tour. I found them hot,
confining, and not at all an improvement over wool or capiliene
Eric, I'm glad the sticker is on your workbench and not on your lycra.
On Monday, January 20, 2014 3:25:50 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
I have that sticker on my car and my workbench.
And I wear Lycra.
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Whether one chooses to wear lycra, wool, themed jerseys, London Fog
jackets, togas, cycling-specific shoes or sandals - or not - shouldn't be a
point of divisiveness.
It has always struck me that the point was to break down the elitism of
opinion which said that to be a serious cyclist, you
honestly, I'd rather rather ride with either of those women - even
misguided humor is preferred company to sanctimonious. I just think it's a
shame that every time they go into a bike shop they're inundated with the
image of racing to the point that it affects how they spend their $2000 and
On 01/20/2014 08:22 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
honestly, I'd rather rather ride with either of those women - even
misguided humor is preferred company to sanctimonious. I just think
it's a shame that every time they go into a bike shop they're
inundated with the image of racing to the point that it
and I promise never ever to darken your trail - a promise I've made before,
and a promise I'll keep.
On Monday, January 20, 2014 7:30:41 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 01/20/2014 08:22 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
honestly, I'd rather rather ride with either of those women - even
misguided
Many people wear lycra cycling clothing for reasons that have nothing
whatsoever to do with racing. People here ought to keep that in mind
.Do tell?
~Hugh
Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein
http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
I often wear Lycra clothing, and I don’t race. Lycra shorts in particular are
commonly worn by many non-racers, including randonneurs.
The latest issue of American Randonneur has an advertisement from Boure cycling
wear, and only one photo that I can find (of the dozens in the issue) that
Velo Orange has their own new sticker that defames no one - Enjoy Life
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/veloorange-enjoy-life-stickers.html
On Monday, January 20, 2014 11:19:35 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
Many people wear lycra cycling clothing for reasons that have nothing
whatsoever
On 01/20/2014 02:48 PM, Ron Mc wrote:
Velo Orange has their own new sticker that defames no one - Enjoy Life
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/veloorange-enjoy-life-stickers.html
Well, that's a sentiment we all can agree with. And being on a bicycle
is a great way to go about it, too.
I have that sticker on my car and my workbench.
And I wear Lycra.
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On Jan 20, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com
I wear thicker lycra tights (no pads) while riding pretty much full-time
from November to April. I did the knicker thing for awhile but I feel more
comfortable in tights...I think they work better in the rain and actually
feel warmer. In the summer light regular shorts do the trick.
In fact
Yes, me too -- I've switched to tights and cycling long pants (MUSA
originals, the trimmer model). Knickers require knee socks -- two items to
put on -- while tights and riding pants cover the entire leg. And I keep
getting cold air leakage at the crucial knee overlap between knicker and
sock.
I love the knickers for three-season wear (and wear wool not-so-tights
under as needed). Why? Pants are always moving up and down the leg,
creating more sensory input than my brain is happy with. Knickers, which I
lock down just below the knee, move very little in comparison but allow
complete
We are also barefoot inside year round (and outside 3 seasons of the year).
Only when sick or at -20˚F outside (which makes our crawlspace colder) do I
need my leather-bottomed socks on. I solve the simplicity issue by wearing
calf warmers (which are really cut off sleeves from old sweaters).
Why? Pants are always moving up and down the leg, creating more sensory
input than my brain is happy with. Knickers, which I lock down just below
the knee,
move very little in comparison but allow complete freedom of movement.
Schoeller fabric pants from the likes of Swrve and Outlier do not
I had a pair of Swrve but didn't like that you needed a belt to hold them
up as they'd constantly slip down especially as I came off the saddle. I'm
out school and don't go in for the low rider look. I found these Prana to
be for me the most comfortable for me in temperate climates the fabric
something else crossing the club ride yesterday - a pair of large women. I
had already peeled my windbreaker, but was still wearing my knee socks, and
they would get swapped for merino footies at my halfway stop. But this
woman looked at me and burst out laughing at my togs - knickers, knee
I'm not intentionally trying to be mean but in what other environment would
an obese person wear tight Lycra spandex? Maybe a yoga class but that's
indoors and more or less private. If bicycle racing has lauded it self for
(and this is highly questionable and been answered by Grant and others on
Sumo wrestling comes to mind.
Heck, WWF comes to mind.
On Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:38:25 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
I'm not intentionally trying to be mean but in what other environment
would an obese person wear tight Lycra spandex? Maybe a yoga class but
that's indoors and more or
It just didn't skin my teeth - I thought the whole thing was funny. Just
got in from a ride - crossed San Antonio to the Frankenbike meet. Had some
good Mexican food - south of downtown even.
The Frankenbike is a hoot. A half-acre of tables selling old parts,
frames, old bikes. It's a lot
That's the bottom line, My thought when I see overweight people out in
lycra riding their race bikes is good for them
On Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:38:25 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
Disclaimer: I think you should wear what feels comfortable to you
~Hugh
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To
Daniel,
I think that's exactly right. They are out there on their bike, so
that's great, but I do worry about those that think they have to wear
lycra to go out on a ride, so they don't ride. That would be a shame.
Toshi
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Daniel D. dddon...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel,
I think it's awesome that they're out on a bike...I do think it's weird
that they feel compelled to wear tight fitting clothing to get out and ride
a bike for what ever reason, maybe it's a need to fit in isn't that our
nature as human beings to fit in? It's sort of a built in survival
This is the reason I haven't worn visible lycra in years. (Confession - do
wear Novara padded short liners, and those have lycra.)
Even in more baggy clothing I wear feel like I'm a bear on a trike in a
circus most of the time.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Toshi
On my 20-mi creek bottom ride this morning, the club was out again, and I
saw my same large gentleman - he has leaned out a bit, though he was still
pedaling a little slow. He has moved his bars up higher, and he was
wearing baggy clothes. He smiled and waved at me - I smiled and waved
back.
Thatsa nice-a! I can't get comfortable with M-bars, but the pic, and all
the scuttlebutt about Albatrosses, makes me want to build a singletrack
bike with -- what is a proper generic term? -- upright bars, at about the
same height.
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com
Thanks Patrick,
I really upgraded the old Raleigh buying the Phil wheelset that Bob L.
listed right after Christmas. I had been rolling on my 30+y-o Zeus/Rigida
27s. Timing was perfect. A guy was looking for a fly rod built by Dwight
Lyons and I had one to sell, so I offered the same amount
I remember the low, narrow, aero position. Almost 15 years ago I commuted
for 2-3 years or so on a too -small (56 cm c-c) mid '60s Bottechia that I
had built up as my second fixie with custom Salsa upjutter to get the bar
high enough (a lot lower than I could tolerate now, it must be said). The
Hugh:
have a carsick sticker for you
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now I like that one - Carbon Kills
On Friday, December 13, 2013 2:26:48 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
That riding carbon won't actually kill you?
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Ahh. Perhaps you've fallen prey to the Devil's best trick? Grin.
;-) !!
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I'll go out on a limb
Ahh. Perhaps you've fallen prey to the Devil's best trick? Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:45:51 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/12/2013 06:44 PM, Mike wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On
That riding carbon won't actually kill you?
On Dec 13, 2013 3:23 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Ahh. Perhaps you've fallen prey to the Devil's best trick? Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:45:51 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/12/2013
Och, Peter, you must be reading the French Dadaist translation. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:26:48 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
That riding carbon won't actually kill you?
On Dec 13, 2013 3:23 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript:
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Ahh.
:
;-) !!
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I'll go out on a limb and predict that the guy who designed the bongs,
farts, and chainsaws sticker *might* not be up to speed on his
Baudelaire
On Thursday
Hey, little round glasses pocket protector collared shirt skid lid rear
view mirror sandal wearing schwalbe marathon running pletscher two-leg
kickstand tourist – good job.
I just love it when someone tells me good job! But how did he know I had a
pocket protector under my English Riding
Wheelies are the best trick ever invented. That’s just a fact.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:36:41 AM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
Thought many of you fellow un-racers might appreciate this as much as I
do:
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/racing_sucks
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On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
Wheelies are the best trick ever invented. That’s just a fact.
I thought this (“La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader
qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.
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I'll go out on a limb and predict that the guy who designed the bongs,
farts, and chainsaws sticker *might* not be up to speed on his Baudelaire
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
Wheelies are the best trick ever
Steve, the greatest trick *of the Devil... *Clearly Satan's tricks do
not rise to the echelons in which wheelies are found. Which makes sense
since wheelies require and lead to exuberant joy and Satan has no capacity
for exuberant joy. So there is no theological conflict here.
With abandon,
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
I thought this (�La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous
persuader qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.
In the words of The Dude, Yeah, well, you
I have nothing against racing, as long as I don't have to do it. I rather
like watching the ballet-like elegance of pros in paceline.
But if this is true, count me out.
http://sciencenordic.com/fuel-cells-speed-cyclists
Patrick paleo-tech for me Moore, abjuring nasty, complicated multiple
gears
On 12/12/2013 06:44 PM, Mike wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
I thought this (La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous
persuader qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.
In
If we are going to be collectivists, I want your Atlantis.
Patrick Moore
iPhone
On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Alex Zeibot veloban...@gmail.com wrote:
Ron,
I agree with you…. It is the Mandela's philosophy; collectivism tends to
prevail by standing up for a common goal.
On Tue, Dec
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:32:39 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
If we are going to be collectivists, I want your Atlantis.
Patrick Moore
The International Wheelman of the World ?
Wobblie Bicyclists, it does make a certain sense.
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I agree that Surly took a page from Riv's book in the Long Haul Trucker,
and that has a lot to do with that bike's success, and why I myself bought
an LHT frame earlier this year. It's clear that they share a generally
Rivendellian view of what makes a good mostly paved-road tourer: generous
I was just logging on to make an argument similar to Jeremy's about the
similarity of the LHT to the Atlantis/All-Rounder not being an indication
that Surly somehow plagiarized RBW's designs when they made the LHT. That
claim has been repeated again and again, but it simply doesn't hold water
I agree that it would be absurd to call the LHT a copy of the Atlantis. If
people do that again and again, then they are being absurd every time.
Maybe I just tune out know-nothing claims like that. I also agree that a
lot of people on this list do not find Surly's sense of humor funny.
I have a CC, LHT and a BD and love them all. I also have a Hilsen and a
custom randonneuring bike. If I could have only one bike it would be my
LHT. I love that bike. I've heard people complain about the tubing and the
geometry and on and on and on. I just get on the thing and turn the pedals
Nah, it's pretty much a fail. The hoped-for side-effect did not occur.
:-)
~pb
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It is an interesting (to me) contrast between Rivendell's Unracer and
Surly's Racing Sucks.
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not surprising they would do a patch like this... their bikes suck for
racing. I like the competitive aspects of cycling as well as the
non-competitive ones.Just not those fruit bowl jerseys.
~mike
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:36:41 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
Thought many of you fellow
Until I read the Surly-guy's thought on the patch, I thought it was
supposed to be an ironic joke, which it still kind of is. I'm thinking of
the Paris-Roubaix quote I saw the other day from some racer after being
forced to drop-out, It's bollacks! ... I'll be back.
And it is a telling
'Ceptin the 100 meter dash, racing of any sort bores me to tears. But I
have no desire to annoy those who do like it. Long as they don't try and
convince me to join them, we're fine.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:24:57 AM UTC-6, pb wrote:
Nah, it's pretty much a fail. The hoped-for
Just Ride and Unracer are accurate - even philosophical - Racing sucks is
hyperbole and offensive.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:06:32 PM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:
It is an interesting (to me) contrast between Rivendell's Unracer and
Surly's Racing Sucks.
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On 12/10/2013 02:28 PM, Ron Mc wrote:
Just Ride and Unracer are accurate - even philosophical - Racing sucks
is hyperbole and offensive.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:06:32 PM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:
It is an interesting (to me) contrast between Rivendell's
Unracer and Surly's Racing
I like the photo of the guy racing on a Big Dummy. That freaking rocks.
It makes me anticipate the smile I will smile when I see somebody winning
a local 'cross race wearing a racing sucks patch. That also will be
cool.
Racing is awesome, and so is unracing. Wearing patches you want to
I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek. Spending as much time reading
forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one, I've probably
forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many would take it that
way. It's DEFINITELY generational, however - which, though I didn't
Well said
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:07:26 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek. Spending as much time
reading forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one,
I've probably forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many
would
there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold,
it would be better to raise the commonalities rather than the differences
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:07:26 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek. Spending as much time
reading
Divisiveness sucks! Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:36:46 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold,
it would be better to raise the commonalities rather than the differences
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013
Ron,
I agree with you…. It is the Mandela's philosophy; collectivism tends to
prevail by standing up for a common goal.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:
there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold,
it would be better to raise
What Allen said it's Generational...but after reading Mr. Blanstons
Bludgeon, excuse me Blog I thought what's the point? Duh marketing...hey I
like what Surly does but this is just a ploy to sell bikes it's called
Branding and using psychology understood and promulgated by Mr. Freud and
It's probably best to take the Racing Sucks patch as tongue-in-cheek. If
you're offended by it, chalk it up to seasonal blues.
On the surface, Rivendell and Surly are on the same team, promoting
smartly-designed steel bikes in a world where smartly-designed steel bikes
aren't always popular.
no offense, Jim, this about a stupid patch.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:15:51 PM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
Cyclery wrote:
It's probably best to take the Racing Sucks patch as tongue-in-cheek. If
you're offended by it, chalk it up to seasonal blues.
On the surface, Rivendell and
Surly sometimes sends me little goodie boxes. The last one included various
doodads and some calendars and a sticker that said bongs, farts, and
chainsaws. Maybe that is Surly's answer to Bike, book, and hatchet?
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I've always found it humorous but weird that so many RBW devotees feel
that there is a rivalry or semi-bitter philosophical divide between the two
companies. It comes up again and again on this forum.
So many? I can't name one.
Again and again? I can't name once.
I don't think Riv and
I certainly don't read every post on this forum, but I haven't detected that
posters feel there is a semi-bitter philosophical divide very often.
And changing the subject a bit, I've always detected appreciation of Surly from
Riv people. Like this:
And don't forget, when Pugsley was new, it was nicely reviewed in the Rivendell
Reader.
On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:54 PM, James Warren wrote:
I certainly don't read every post on this forum, but I haven't detected that
posters feel there is a semi-bitter philosophical divide very often.
Man now I want to try riding that Panasonic Rodeo.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:54 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:
I certainly don't read every post on this forum, but I haven't detected
that posters feel there is a semi-bitter philosophical divide very often.
And changing the
For me, bike racing was not the thing in which to compete. I did my due
diligence in my competitive discipline, I know the sacrifices, I can share
and relate with others about the *depravities we have in common. Bike
racers know nothing of the cycling I undertake nor are they prepared to
here's what I like about Just Ride. It describes that racing is not the
end to the means. That the means count for themselves. I'll never be able
to forget the sight of a 300+-lb guy in lycra torturing himself over a long
threadless stem - the effort was just maintaining the position - he
Like em or not, Surly is puttin it out there... I appreciate their courage
to be different.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:29:56 PM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
For me, bike racing was not the thing in which to compete. I did my due
diligence in my competitive discipline, I know the sacrifices, I
I'm guessing Unless You're Talking About Fat Bike Races, All of Which We
Happily Sponsor Since We Sell Those Kinds of Bikes didn't fit on the patch?
Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia
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