Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-15 Thread Joe Bernard
Just ride backwards. On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:50:46 PM UTC-7 vhans...@gmail.com wrote: > That's basically correct. Its a bicycle with a backwards derailleur, get > use it, and using is the most important item! > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:51 AM Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Of course

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-15 Thread Victor Hanson
That's basically correct. Its a bicycle with a backwards derailleur, get use it, and using is the most important item! On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:51 AM Joe Bernard wrote: > Of course the whole issue with "counterintuitive" - which I raised earlier > - goes out the window on a 1x. I had

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-14 Thread Patrick Moore
This only works with left-side-mounted derailleurs, though. On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 7:08 PM Andrew Letton wrote: > For those using bar-end shifters and a RR derailleur, has anyone tried > flipping the shifter upside down (so cable routes along top of bar)? Seems > this could solve the

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA
On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 10:08:30 PM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote: > Why is there so little info on rapid rise RD and why is it so polarizing. > Sources include bike snob grants blog and random internet sources. > Takeaways were finicky and needing frequent adjustment but also great > concept and

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Andrew Letton
For those using bar-end shifters and a RR derailleur, has anyone tried flipping the shifter upside down (so cable routes along top of bar)?  Seems this could solve the muscle-memory issue...cheers,Andrew On Tuesday, July 13, 2021, 03:47:12 PM GMT+10, Joe Bernard wrote: I had one for

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Andy Cheatham claimed: " Low normal of Rapid Rise springing has the top jockey wheel physically pushing the chain against a larger cog at the beginning of any downshift until cadence and conditions permitted the chain to start transferring from one cog to the next" This is a description of a

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Steven It's the Interloc product. I run Silver 1 shifters on my Hillborne and Silver 2 (X/O) shifters on my Atlantis Bill On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:12:22 PM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote: > Bill, do you have pictures of your stem mounts or a description of the > hardware. Thanks, Steve >

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread ascpgh
Sam, I am guessing that the derailleur is always tensioned toward the next larger size cog if shifted, whether or not the drive train is turning enough to initiate a physical change of cogs. Shifting before indexing imprinted me with a pause of cadence at the time of a shift to easing chain

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Steven Sweedler
Bill, do you have pictures of your stem mounts or a description of the hardware. Thanks, Steve On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 2:58 PM Bill Lindsay wrote: > One of the many shifter-configurations I use and like is stem shifters. > Two of my Rivendells have stem shifters. On a bike with stem shifters

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
One of the many shifter-configurations I use and like is stem shifters. Two of my Rivendells have stem shifters. On a bike with stem shifters and drop bars, it's possible to hit the shifter with my knees when climbing out of the saddle. The steeper the climb the more forward my body is

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Joe Bernard
Of course the whole issue with "counterintuitive" - which I raised earlier - goes out the window on a 1x. I had difficulty relearning which way the levers went on a 2-levers bike. On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 11:10:11 AM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote: > The main advantage I find with Rapid Rise is

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Jim M.
The main advantage I find with Rapid Rise is that it shifts to a lower gear much more easily when you're pedaling uphill, which I've found more useful on steep mountain bike routes than with road biking. I've had an RR derailleur on one bike and standard on another and in my experience I never

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Joe Bernard
Sorry, low-normal. RapidRise. That thing. On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 10:43:29 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > I read Question 1 as info about high-normal derailers in general, not info > on the one Grant is working on. > > > > On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Joe Bernard
I read Question 1 as info about high-normal derailers in general, not info on the one Grant is working on. On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Sam Perez asked three questions, but has only received answers to the > third of the three. I'll attempt to answer

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Sam Perez asked three questions, but has only received answers to the third of the three. I'll attempt to answer all three: 1. Why is there so little info on rapid rise RD? I think there is too much. Grant is genuinely excited about the project and I think he can't help but share a little.

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Ginz
I have and still use rapid rise on several bikes. I thought the "disadvantage" was that up-shifts were slower. From a race and performance point of view, up-shifts should be faster. You need to be able to shift up while you hammer. I finally gave in and put a 2x10 on my hardtail and the

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread Collin A
I'd imagine everyone's experience is slightly different...but I quite like my RR XTR RD mounted on my appaloosa to bar end silver2 shifters. I got a used one on ebay in the before times for a fair price and with a replaced set of jockey/pulley wheels its been fine for about 1000 km. I've only

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread sam . perez . 2002
Hi Andy , Wonder why the wheel wore out so quickly. Feedback so far seems to be consistent with my internet findings. But I’m getting great perspective. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, ascpgh wrote: > > I tried the Deore level RR RD on my commuter after hearing all the >

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread sam . perez . 2002
Brendonoid, can you tell me more about an intact cable to remove the wheel , I could imagine a shifter would need to hold its position against tension to remain on the smallest cog for wheel removal. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2021, at 5:10 AM, brendonoid wrote: > > Just done a few

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread ascpgh
I tried the Deore level RR RD on my commuter after hearing all the platitudes. Meh. That was about it for me. Always shifted wrong on first grab of the bar end shifter, muscle memory is like Sharpie writing in this case. I probably would adapt easier to switching sides of controls for both

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
brendonoid commented"If I was running indexed I honestly don't know what the advantage would be? It would be very hard to tell and the few but significant downsides would seem not worth it to me." Shimano probably came to the same conclusion. I wish Grant well with his Low Normal

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-13 Thread brendonoid
Just done a few hundred kms with a rapid rise. Have never used one before, I certainly feel the advantages friction shifting it. If I was running indexed I honestly don't know what the advantage would be? It would be very hard to tell and the few but significant downsides would seem not worth

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise polarizing

2021-07-12 Thread Joe Bernard
I had one for a short while and found it finicky to install and counterintuitive to shift. I'm sure both of these reactions are based on decades of high-normal derailers, I think RapidRise is probably better for new riders who've never messed with the other way. On Monday, July 12, 2021 at