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I'll let y'all into another secret at no additional charge: nail and hammer, with medium sized nut for anvil, work well for breaking and re-assembling chains. On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Grant Petersen wrote: > "The hard, cheap, Indian threading way, using Vise Grips

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Well, it seems I am prescient or something. Now if they could make something like that out of cold forged aluminum, I'd be more interested. Look claims 320 grams sans rings and doubtless bolts; what about the bearings -- included in that claimed 320 grams? What would 2 rings and hardware add?

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 12:23:33 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 7:52:55 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> >> My vote for the best value-for-money crank/bb bearing assembly type is >> the Ashtabula; I wonder if these could be refined and lightened? Carbon

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 7:52:55 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > > My vote for the best value-for-money crank/bb bearing assembly type is the > Ashtabula; I wonder if these could be refined and lightened? Carbon fiber? > But, in any event, they seem indestructible, even after riding

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How cool, Tange cup and cone BB's !I do rather miss them . I always found them no brainers to work on, thanks to Eugene Sloane's New Complete Book of Bicycling ! I bought it new as a teen and learned everything about how to do all my own mechanic works from it. Taking the bike to

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"The hard, cheap, Indian threading way, using Vise Grips for the lockring and a nail and hammer for the cup" is one of the most fantastic descriptions of anything I've ever read. Good point about Ashtabula cranks. A guy came by the other day with one of those, and of course it was on a ten-year

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I learned to adjust left-side cups the hard way, cheap, Indian threading, using Vise Grips for the lockring and a nail and hammer for the cup. But I did get them adjusted. Interesting, at least the older British Racing Tricycles use leftside bb cups and lockrings at each inside end to adjust

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Ah...whoops. Yup, sometimes things get lost in translation. Gotcha... ;-) On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Brian Campbell wrote: > I think you missed my winky eye emoticon. It was a joke about your Phil > Wood experience...ahh the interweb > > On Monday, May 2, 2016

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I think you missed my winky eye emoticon. It was a joke about your Phil Wood experience...ahh the interweb On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 2:00:07 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Nope. You must've missed my comment. Phil wood bearings are for sunny > California. My Phil BB and hub bearings never

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Very cool! Yup, that explanation mirrors my personal experience. Couple of tries till it feels bang-on with the lock ring. Just like adjusting hub cones, or cage-bearing headsets. That BB looks pretty nice. I'm definitely up for trying one of these again. On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Grant

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Here's one, and forgive my continued warning. I promise you this is not good old fashioned reverse psychology. This style emerged because it's simple and it works. It got extinguished in the late '80s or early '90s NOT because after a hundred or more years some smart modern mechanic found a flaw

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Mark, it was a messy ride in a really fun way. The boardwalk is 1600' across a marsh. The family of mallards that had nested there were all up on the boardwalk. I asked if the water was too wet for them, but they didn't answer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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Man. I gotta get one of those SKF's soon. That sounds perfect. On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > Saturday morning I rode 40 mi after a big rain rain - we had 5" the night > before. There were pretty good clay washes that splashed on the bike, but > also rode

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Saturday morning I rode 40 mi after a big rain rain - we had 5" the night before. There were pretty good clay washes that splashed on the bike, but also rode through standing water at one end of a boardwalk and running water under some of the road overpasses. Just hosed it down when I got

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Nope. You must've missed my comment. Phil wood bearings are for sunny California. My Phil BB and hub bearings never last more than a winter. They are not suitable for cold and wet climates. And don't get me started on their free hubs hah > On May 2, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Brian Campbell

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Phil Wood! ;-) On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 1:27:48 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Haha! I'm terribly curious how you'll determine who qualifies as a "newbie > with romantic/retro sensibilities but no experience with this kind of BB." > > You know, up till this moment I had zero interest in cup

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Haha! I'm terribly curious how you'll determine who qualifies as a "newbie with romantic/retro sensibilities but no experience with this kind of BB." You know, up till this moment I had zero interest in cup and cone bb's, and never would imagine considering going back to one. maybe that's

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BB spindle length: It's always safe and usually best to use the bb the crank maker recommends, or (more to the point) a dimensional equivalent. I'm not going to address taper here, just quick notes about length. It comes down to chainline, which has nothing to do with the chain. Almost

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My Atlantis arrived with a Tange 113mm BB. On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Philip Kim wrote: > i've gotten a hillborne & chev. both had tange BB's. > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 5:20:47 PM UTC-4, Gum N Nuts wrote: >> >> What does Riv use for stock bottom brackets?

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i've gotten a hillborne & chev. both had tange BB's. On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 5:20:47 PM UTC-4, Gum N Nuts wrote: > > What does Riv use for stock bottom brackets? I'm curious because I've had > two different ones - one from a fully built-by-riv cheviot and one from a > hillborne frameset

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Not to hijack the BB questions but Steve's regimen of cleaning his chains gets me thinking about the two chains I've broken in the last six months. Perhaps my chains aren't being cleaned and lubed enough! No problems yet with my Riv supplied Shimano BBs. Thanks, Richard On Wednesday, April

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http://www.velominati.com/tradition/royce/ Royce bottom bracket On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > FWIW, when I first bought a Phil bb for my '99 gofast fixed gear, I called > Phil and asked if the ti spindle would hold up to grunting up hills in a >

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FWIW, when I first bought a Phil bb for my '99 gofast fixed gear, I called Phil and asked if the ti spindle would hold up to grunting up hills in a 75" gear. The rep on the phone said, "Oh yes, you don't have to worry, we have track sprinters use them." So far, so good. FWIW and YMMV and so

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The old cup-and-cone bottom brackets were great when I was a student with more time than money. Back then, I enjoyed working on bottom brackets. But it never made sense from a monetary perspective. Even at $ 7 an hour, overhauling my BB twice a year was $ 14 in time alone. If the BB lasts 10

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Oy. These posts make me long for the days when BB's were sold with axles, cups, and bearings as a separate but inclusive "kit". IIRC, Grant had several posts in his early Riv Readers lamenting the advent of cartridge bearing BB's in lieu of the old fashioned adjustable type and I don't blame

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What does Riv use for stock bottom brackets? I'm curious because I've had two different ones - one from a fully built-by-riv cheviot and one from a hillborne frameset - completely eat it. The one on the cheviot lasted about two hundred miles, maybe a thousand on the hillborne. No weird weather,

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Again . . all about nothing !Hey how much does that glass of water you just drank weigh ? "Oh man . . . that extra weight is really a burden !" "After I pee I feel so light !" Ahahahaahahahahah ! So it is with everything . . . relative nonsense !Relative to nothing

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In this situation, when a square taper is called for, I'd go for a Shimano, see how long it lasts and if you need a new BB in one year or five, re-evaluate. I scrounged my Phils from swap meets and what not so my investment was far lower. -- You received this message because you are

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I guess it adds up when you carry it around for 50,000 mi On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 12:38:58 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote: > > > A 110mm SKF weighs in at a whopping 291 grams.Wow , a real hunk of > lead ! Ahahaahahahahahah All about nothing. > > -- You received this message because

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A 110mm SKF weighs in at a whopping 291 grams.Wow , a real hunk of lead ! Ahahaahahahahahah All about nothing. On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 1:07:32 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote: > > Someone said SKFs are heavier than other bbs. > So just how much heavier is an SKF than other bbs?

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On 04/28/2016 01:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: In addition, there's the inherently good and pleasing act of doing maintenance on your bike. I know this guy who says that he removes his chain and soaks it in mineral spirits every 100 miles. Cest m'oi He rides several thousand miles per year,

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The entire range of square taper BB weights is from about 140g to about 300g. SKF and cheap Shimanos are at or just below 300g. SKFs are heavy and expensive but they last an incredibly long time, even in lousy conditions. Other cheap BBs can be around 240g. The lightest cheap disposable

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Someone said SKFs are heavier than other bbs. So just how much heavier is an SKF than other bbs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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oh wow, did not know about this before now. thanks this could be really cool. On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 12:26:45 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Yeah, that is a pretty cool BB. I see White Industries is making an > external BB version of their ENO/VBC cranks now, which means I'm not dead

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In addition, there's the inherently good and pleasing act of doing maintenance on your bike. I know this guy who says that he removes his chain and soaks it in mineral spirits every 100 miles. He rides several thousand miles per year, so I figure he's removing and soaking a chain at least

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Ah right, I forgot about labour costs. I just do my own so it only costs time. And time spent working on a bike is time well spent IMO. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Mike in WA wrote: > $45 for each cheap BB replacement with labor and they may go bad sooner > than a

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$45 for each cheap BB replacement with labor and they may go bad sooner than a year. I would expect the cost would amortize in 3-4 years and the King won't have inevitable creaking during that time. I expect the Kings would last basically forever with regular maintenance. Less stuff in the

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A long time, probably close to ten years hah! But then again, if I was interested in just riding something cheap that did the job, I wouldn't own a Riv, would I On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 04/28/2016 12:11 PM, Mike in WA wrote: > >>

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On 04/28/2016 12:11 PM, Mike in WA wrote: Different kettle of fish from the square taper world, but I'll be upgrading to a Chris King Threadfit BB ($155) when my disposable Shimano BB ($20) goes bad. Riding in dirt and wet conditions all the time leads to a lot of grime, and I found the

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Yeah, that is a pretty cool BB. I see White Industries is making an external BB version of their ENO/VBC cranks now, which means I'm not dead set on running square taper all the time (I'm a big fan of their cranks). That threadfit combined with white cranks would make for a super hot and long

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Different kettle of fish from the square taper world, but I'll be upgrading to a Chris King Threadfit BB ($155) when my disposable Shimano BB ($20) goes bad. Riding in dirt and wet conditions all the time leads to a lot of grime, and I found the cheapo bottom brackets go bad in about a year.

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Price definitely does NOT equate to greater longevity ALL the time. I've thrashed a Phil BB in less than a year. Why? Well because I ride in sub-freezing temperatures for about half the year. The bike sees a lot of freeze/thaw cycles. I'm running a Phil BB with the 'mud guards' that press into

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white industries stainless steel BB are nice, but they run sizes specific for their cranks. otherwise, I would just get a phil bb (for adjust-ability), or an SFK (if you don't wanna buy extra phil tools). i've used shimano un55/75's and they are great bang for the buck, but do require

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My view of BBs revolves around correct dimensions, function and service. Those that are the correct spindle length and permit snug but safe clearance of stays, have accurate fit of tapers with the crank arms never used odd interface BBs and don't abide with external bearings and their cranks),

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White Industries & Phil are my favorites too, though I have too many bikes, so I find I can justify the cost only for my best and most utilized bikes. For those, I've never regretted the cost or felt they were overkill. Not mentioned yet is that they are really LIFETIME parts , since the

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I have a Phil BB in my '98 LongLow, and I have not paid it any attention in all these years and miles. I'm heavy (230 pounds wet) and tall, so a lot of torque passes through the cranks (Ritchey Logic) and the BB, and both have been rock solid for 17 years now. Would a cheaper BB have failed by

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me I'm a big boy, and I stand hard. The original splined crank on that Raleigh stripped out under me climbing home from campus in Austin in '78. I have 3 SKF BB on 3 bikes. Jan warranties them for 10 years.

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FWIW, for those that buy the Tange LN-7922 BB that Riv sells, you can also get the steel cup version model LN-3922 for about $30 shipped . For myself the cutoff would be White BB if I bought a White crank, otherwise stick with the Tange steel version for Sugino XD cranks. Paying top dollar

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So which bb would I need for my Bleriot? I would use either Herse cranks or Sugino XD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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There are bottom brackets, and there are bottom braquets...I'm not sure where the price cutoff is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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It would be closer simplification to use the triangle of features: Light, Strong, Cheap. Choose two. If it's light and strong, it won't be cheap. If it's light and cheap, it wont be durable. If it's strong and cheap, it won't be light. The $40 BB you buy from Riv will be durable and

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Oh right, I forget weight is also a thing people consider ;). I also like the match of white industries crank to white industries bottom bracket and love supporting a CA business. Though buying from Riv also fulfills that for me a bit. So are we mostly talking durability and maintenance then?

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I have to say...I have Phil BBs on my rivs, but those SKF BBs do sound amazing especially with a 10-year guarantee. For the money, it sounds like these SKF BBs are hard to beat.Now if it makes you fasterwe may be into mechanical doping territory here... :) Compass delivery service is

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Here are some articles on brackets: https://janheine.wordpress.com/category/components/bottom-brackets/ There should be one of the articles talking about bracket structure and features. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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There is no massive performance benefit to expensive BBs. Nobody has ever said "Hey, I just upgraded my bottom bracket and now I'm way faster!". If they did say that, they were delusional. $40 bottom brackets work great and you don't touch them for 5 years or so. I own two White