Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

My advice if you're just starting out in randonneuring is ride what you own. That will give you a chance to figure out whether you really like it, and what "style" of randonneuring you want to do. People succeed at randonneuring on all sorts of different bikes. My first five years

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Here are my thoughts on low trail vs. mid (riv) trail from a few months back: https://stonehog.com/2016/01/06/trail-riding/ Brian Hanson Seattle, WA On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote: > > I've been a Rivvy sorta guy for the last ten years, owning several of >

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Damnit, you're right. 1 1/8 only, which wouldn't fit in my Riv frame. Evan Baird frequents this list and the iBOB list, and he floated a question to gauge interest on other versions, like with 1" steerers and/or cantilever posts for 650b cantilever wheels. On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:59 PM,

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

If only the Champs Elysees forks came in 1" threaded steerer versions... /Jeremy On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 1:48:55 PM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote: > > Yes, a replacement fork seems like an easy way to try low trail. There > are several framebuilders who will make you a low trail custom fork;

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Yes, a replacement fork seems like an easy way to try low trail. There are several framebuilders who will make you a low trail custom fork; Jeff Lyon seems to be a popular choice. Soma also sells a couple low trail forks, named "Champs Elysees" Sidepull version, for 650b with long reach brakes:

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Ah, thanks David! I'd missed that detail. What an interesting way to try lower trail. I'm going to consider giving that a go... Best, Reed On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:37 PM, David Banzer wrote: > I believe Rene had custom forks built with higher rake than the Riv stock >

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Reed: I have a lower trail fork on my Atlantis. The stock one is 65 mm. The custom is 40 mm. While the difference is noticeable, it is subtle and not huge. It was exactly what I was looking for, in fact. Like others, I prefer front loading. Chris makes a valid point. The low trail is

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

I believe Rene had custom forks built with higher rake than the Riv stock fork, yielding lower trail. David Chicago On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 1:17:13 PM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote: > > Hey René, are you sure about the 40mm trail on the Hunqapillar? This image > on Riv's site: >

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Thanks everyone for the extremely educational thoughts, comments, and experiences that have been shared here! I'm somewhat abashed to neglected the search feature and to have started another round of what sounds like a well discussed thread, but I've just loved reading what everyone was kind

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Hey René, are you sure about the 40mm trail on the Hunqapillar? This image on Riv's site: http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/WFHunq62.jpg (From the Hunq page: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hunqapillar.htm ) Seems to indicate a massive-sounding 67.3mm trail. Or is that talking

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Reed, I currently have two Rivs (Hilsen and QB) and an Ocean Air Cycles Rambler. I love them all. To me the differences are subtle in the sense that they all ride like bicycles, but the differences are significant when it comes to how they handle/feel under different riding conditions. For

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

I have a couple low trail bikes & a couple that I presume are not and honestly my overall impression is I like the steering on my low trail bikes better, but they have other issues that are mildly annoying, (toe overlap, etc.) I got into trying to digest it at one point, but honestly what I

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I just ran across this article today and it answered many of my questions and more I had not considered like the low trail fork had on rough pavement. Sounds pretty great to me, I'm sold :) http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-rakes-progress.html -- You received this message because

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Been riding my AHH about 4 years now. Other than gearing, it's just a "stock" set up by Riv., including the Nitto F-15 / Barsack, Noodles, Rich wheels, and Schwalbe Marathons. I rarely carry more than 5 pounds up front, usually less. I dare not take my hands off the handlebars of the Hilson

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My Bleriot seems to take front loads just fine. But I am interested in a lighter tubing frame for my next bike. So that means Roadeo or Low trail skinny tubed Boulder. Anyone want to trade their Roadeo for my Blue Hillborne?... didn't think so...ok. -- You received this message because you

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I have a hunqapillar and recently built up an ocean air rambler. I'm still playing with the bar height/stem length/seat height/seat setback combo for the rambler and I haven't been on a long ride yet so hard to draw any definitive conclusions. For context, I don't do rando rides, but I do ride

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

So, Tom, you like GP's "ways", the only thing you hate is... riding the bicycles he designs and sells. I guess you could say you're on topic. At least this once! Makes me wonder. On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 11:54:15 AM UTC-4, tdusky wrote: > > > I hate riding my other bikes and I need to

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Thank you Rene as this is very valuable ! I'm still trying to wrap my head around what these bikes handle like compared to the Bombadil I have. I also have another sport/touring type frame with less trail which handles like every racing bike frame I used to ride, which means the front end

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Hi Garth, After my extensive research and e-mail exchanges with Jan, plus my experience with my Atlantis & Hunqapillar, for upright riding, the low trail target should be 40mm. The Rando bikes depicted usually have around 29mm of trail, meant for more forward positioning/fast riding with lower

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

I started doing randonneuring a few yew years ago. And had a bike built by John Fitzgerald for that purpose. Low trail, lights and fenders wide tires etc… My current bikes are a 2001 Rivendell custom Long Low, an Atlantis, and a "72 Paramount P13. The low trail geometry is amazing with or

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Borrowed a quote from Jim Merz - Just like an arrow, the weight goes up front. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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While I see lots about low trail bikes with drop bars , I have not heard/seen much about riding on low trail bikes with long sloping top tubes(6+ degrees) and high bars(at least above the saddle height). Basically a much higher center of gravity than a drop bar bike. A recent blug post GP

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Reed -- there has been a near endless run of low vs not-low discussions here and on the iBob and the 650b list. I feel like I've read them all and agonized over the damn concept myself for years. But I've never seen a more sensible and succinct assessment of the whole thing than these quickly

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Isn't that the truth Bill! Thanks for the advice. I think I'll finally sell that Madone and aim to train for and do my first brevet on the Hunqapillar. Then, if I like it, I'll start scheming around a low trail bike for brevets. Plus, that'll give me some good time to dream about what my ideal

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

I've been riding back to back rake comparisons for the last 2 years, and the conclusion I've come to is you'll probably get used to whatever you ride the most. IF you always carry stuff on your bike, and IF you prefer to keep it within reach, and IF you need to take your hands off the bars

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Everything is best served with another bike. N+1. Always N+1. The correct question to ask yourself is NOT : "Do I need another bike?" The correct question is : "What should my next bike be?" :-) If I had the choice of doing a brevet on a drop-bar Hunqapillar that I bought for myself and

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Thanks very much for the thoughts, Bill! You described exactly the sort of experience I was hoping to hear about. I'm currently considering training for a couple brevets. I've never done one, and it both seems like an interesting challenge and a good training goal. At the moment the two most

[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

Reed asked: Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly rigid frame, carrying stuff all over) and the more French rando / Jan sort of bike? What did you think of each? Yes I do. I think both are fine. Some people feel like it's a night and day kind of difference, and I