Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread Ken Freeman
I'm all for cheap! My favorite tape is the traditional Cinelli cork-filled tape, at about $20 per roll. But I can't reuse it because its gummed. Profile and Forte are still pretty good, and will come off easily if you don't undertape and will stay in place well if you wrap tightly. On Mon,

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread Anne
Leather: this is priced closer to Brooks but lasts and lasts. You can put a layer of cloth or cork down under it. Rewrap: yes, Clean: yes Ray makes some great wrap. Custom stitching avail. Rave reviews. Here's the main info link on his wrap (most love it far more than the Brooks wrap)

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 16:54 -0800, williwoods wrote: Hey Bruce fantastic review of various wraps and tapes etc.you just saved me a bunch of $$ and trial and error, time, etc. I was looking at all the ones you listed. around 10,000 miles on my Fujitoshi bar wrap on the Velo Orange

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread Benedikt
I've been using leather on my bars for about 2 years now, here in Seattle, where it rains a lot. Although I don't leave my bike parked out in the rain. It doesn't seem to me like they take that long to dry either. I went to a leather supply store and purchased two belt blanks (pre-cut pieces

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread Frankwurst
Agreed. Ray puts out a good product and if your unhappy I'd be willing to bet he'll make it right. Good stuff rain,snow or shine. On Jan 4, 8:37 am, Anne speedyc...@comcast.net wrote: Leather: this is priced closer to Brooks but lasts and lasts. You can put a layer of cloth or cork down under

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread Mike
I really like Newbaum's cloth tape with clear shellack and finished off with twine. I really like the end result but I realize it's not for everyone. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/4664845465/in/photostream/ If it's raining on my days off this week I'll probably but this blue

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread msrw
So the overall conclusion would appear to be that plenty of people DO like leather tape. For me, even though I live in the high desert, leather tape is more affected by environmental factors than a really high quality synthetic like Fizik. I have Fizik on all of my bikes. It's the best bar tape

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-04 Thread Benedikt
I know it's traditional but when it comes to cloth tape and shellac I'm just not a fan of the twine. I would always stick the two ends of the tape together at the top of the bars, wrap down to the ends and tuck them in under the bar end caps (or champagne cork :) end caps) for a clean look.

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread William
Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a cheapskate on things like that. Second reason is that I like the cool colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap. Did I mention that I'm cheap? On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: Question for the

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Peter Pesce
+1 for cheap. I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap the bars. Cloth is cheap. The shellacking IS a pain, though. I've heard great things about Fizik tape and I might try some next time around. Anyone have any experience with re-using bar tape (Fizik or otherwise?)

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Jim Cloud
I'm using the Fizik Microtex handle bar tape on both of my bikes. The most recently installed is a very nice Honey Brown color for my Rivendell Road Standard. That color is great to match a honey brown Brooks saddle, like the B.17 Special that is on my Riv. Unfortunately the honey brown color

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread eflayer
Hello Jime Cloud - how about a couple of photos of the Fizik brown taped wrapped bars. Would love to see what it looks like on a finished bike. Thanks, Eddie On Jan 3, 3:07 pm, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote: Leather is slippery when wet. At least the stuff I tried. On Mon, Jan

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Peter Pesce
Thanks Jim, I actually just ordered some Fizik Brown from CRC. The re-taping isn't a big deal, just would have been a bonus. I'd be happy just to save the shelacking each time. And yes, photos please! Pete On Jan 3, 5:55 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm using the Fizik Microtex handle

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Bruce
@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather? Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a cheapskate on things like that. Second reason is that I like the cool colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread williwoods
@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather? Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather because I'm a cheapskate on things like that.  Second reason is that I like the cool colors you can get and create with cloth, on the cheap

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Jim Cloud
Eddie and Pete, Give me a couple of days, I'll take some photos and add them to my Flickr photostream (pimadude) for the bike. I'll post a new topic when the photos are available. Jim On Jan 3, 5:18 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Hello Jime Cloud - how about a couple of photos of the

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread rcnute
I tried Brooks tape (it was a present). I didn't care for the texture or the ridges that resulted from wrapping. I don't ride with gloves unless it's cold. Ryan On Jan 3, 1:06 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: Question for the group. It appears as though there is a general overall

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Bruce
Ryan: I'l take it off your hands :) Bruce From: rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 9:13:42 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather? I tried Brooks tape

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread rcnute
3, 2011 9:13:42 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather? I tried Brooks tape (it was a present).  I didn't care for the texture or the ridges that resulted from wrapping.  I don't ride with gloves unless it's cold. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Rene Sterental
bikes. Higher priced. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather? Speaking strictly for myself, I've never tried leather

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Checkerboard
, have not been avle to wear it out yet, have it on two bikes.  Higher priced. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread AmiSingh
not been avle to wear it out yet, have it on two bikes.  Higher priced. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 4:32:07 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread AmiSingh
Pete, I've rewrapped Brooks leather handlebar wrap 3 times on the same bars for various setups with no problem. On Jan 3, 5:35 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for cheap. I like to mess around with parts on my bike, and often need to re-wrap the bars. Cloth is cheap. The

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Mike S
The best tape is no tape! I've got bare Nito moustache bars on my 'B' bike, and I love the look and, more importantly, FEEL of the bare aluminum. As they say in the riv reader, it's kinda like grabbing a sword. The cold is not a factor because I wear gloves full gloves when it's real cold, and

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Wrap - Why Not Leather?

2011-01-03 Thread Michael_S
practice, grasshopper. I find that now after doing 3 or 4 bikes I actually enjoy the shellac work. Sort of like a masterpiece. anyway, I prefer the feel of the thick gel corks like the Soma tape. I have large hands and the cloth taped bars seem too skinny. I even tape my cables in front to give

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2011-01-01 Thread charlie
I use a Hobo bag also and find that because it is mounted close to the steer tube it doesn't affect handling to any noticeable degree. Adding some extra attachments (old toe straps, hemp twine, elastic cord ) through the D rings and around the brake hoods makes the bag is very stable. I mounted my

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Mike
I ride a 63cm AHH and use the largest size Berthoud bag. I've used both the Berthoud decaleur which attaches to the stem on the HB bold and the VO headset spacer decaleur. Both have their advantages. Not sure which would work best for your bike. The VO model is certainly the cheaper of the two but

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread scott
Go with a loafer and a bar tube combo. easy. I know the boxy bag is pretty, but I didn't like it. Prefer a bar bag with straps. Plus, the loafer is super duper secure on a rack and the tube gives you riding access to the few things you'll want while riding. A thought anyway. Scott On Dec 31,

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread doug peterson
Another option I'm partial to is the Acorn Boxy Rando on the little Nitto mini front rack. It leaves the handlebars completely free. It comes with 4 velcro straps to attach to the rack platform plus a sleeve that slips over the vertical piece on the back of the rack. I added a couple of D-rings

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Jim Cloud
I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 14:09 -0800, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Jim Cloud
Sorry, the link to Peter Weigle's Flickr photo was corrupted in my initial post. Here's the correct link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353...@n00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Jim Cloud On Dec 31, 3:09 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread rperks
I have heard the siren song of the Berthoud bag and managed to resist. The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. I opted for the Acorn Hobo style bag and a Nitto light mount

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 15:41 -0800, rperks wrote: The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. Don't be so sure. Many times I have nothing in my extra large size Berthoud

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Michael_S
If you go with the clamp on approach ( JP Weigle) and use P clips you need to use a smaller bag anyway for stability. I'm heading down that road myself. I like being able to remove the bag and not have a decaleur left hanging out there. That way you also don't have to worry about over filling

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Bill M.
I do something similar with my Ostrich bag and VO headset-mount decaleur. I loop an old toe strap over the decaleur attachment bar, and down through the loop at the back of the Nito M12. This pulls the decaleur down onto the supporting tubes and holds it very securely. It goes on in maybe 15

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne

2010-12-31 Thread Jim Cloud
I agree with Steve on this. The selection of the Berthoud bag's size (height) is generally determined by the spacing, and it doesn't necessitate that the bag be completely filled! A large bag is, however, handy if you wish to carry something large but not especially heavy (it can easily be used

[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

2009-10-23 Thread Angus
Brian, FWIW I have bikes with similar set ups, after changing from drop bars to Albatross bars on an All-Rounder I also changed the saddle from a B-17 to a Flyer (basically a sprung B-17). The upright seating postion works better for me with a sprung saddle, with drop bars I'm ok either way.

[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

2009-10-23 Thread nathan spindel
To add a twist: any opinions about Flyer vs. B-68 (wider but unsprung) for a men's Albatross'd bike? -nathan On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Brian, FWIW I have bikes with similar set ups,  after changing from drop bars to Albatross bars on an

[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

2009-10-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I have two bikes with B17 saddles.  One has Noodles, and the other has Albatross bars.  Both are fairly level with the seat, but the Alba's are closer, so I'm much more upright.  I'm curious about the general feeling

[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

2009-10-23 Thread Surf
Go with a Brooks B135.Keep the albatros bars...you will love it! Surf --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

2009-10-23 Thread newenglandbike
I recently put a B-68 on my Dad's new bike. I didn't get to test ride it much, but when I did it felt *way* comfortable compared to all but the most broken-in, ass-molded B17. On Oct 23, 1:47 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: To add a twist: any opinions about Flyer vs. B-68

[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

2009-10-23 Thread nathan spindel
spindel Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:48 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo To add a twist: any opinions about Flyer vs. B-68 (wider but unsprung) for a men's Albatross'd bike? -nathan On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Angus

[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

2009-10-23 Thread Rene Valbuena
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:51 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo Good to know! I just put in an order for a pre-aged dark tan B-68 to go with my 650B Albatross'd Specialized Sequoia. -nathan On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Rene

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-11 Thread fenderbender
The only bars I've broken has been crashes prior to this and neither were hi end parts. When I think of it they probably were 6 or 7000 series alu too! In RR39/Summer-03 issue Grant had a very interesting interview with the president and designer of Nitto Mr. Akira Yoshikawa: Q: For a 200lb

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-11 Thread fenderbender
The only bars I've broken has been in crashes prior to that and neither were hi end parts. When I think of it they probably were 6 or 7000 series too as most were on my mtb! In RR39/Summer-03 issue there was a very interesting interview with the president and designer of Nitto Mr. Akira Yoshikawa

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-11 Thread fenderbender
To answer the question I don't replace unless I can see a crack, dent or deep mark. The only bars I've broken has been in crashes prior to that and neither were hi end parts. When I think of it they probably were 6 or 7000 series too! In RR39/Summer-03 issue there was a very interesting interview

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-11 Thread David Faller
Did you finally get some coffee? - Original Message - From: fenderbender To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:49 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan? To answer the question I don't replace unless I can see a crack, dent or deep mark. The only bars

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-11 Thread fenderbender
Owners Bunch   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:49 AM   Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?   To answer the question I don't replace unless I can see a crack, dent   or deep mark. The only bars I've broken has been in crashes prior to   that and neither were hi end parts. When I think

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-08 Thread David Faller
There are so many variables in the scenario... I'd guess this a rider issue, not a hardware issue. If the user is particularly large and/or strong, then that user should probably take materials fatigue into greater consideration. I wouldn't think that all riders need to take this sort of

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-08 Thread Dustin Sharp
Faller dfal...@charter.net Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:37:11 -0800 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan? There are so many variables in the scenario... I'd guess this a rider issue, not a hardware issue. If the user

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-08 Thread manougian
Dustin, A touch of grease at the sleave could take care of the creak. In general, Nitto handlebars are very well made and should last at least 15-20 years. Of course I'm assuming that you haven't crashed your handlebars and that your not sized like Hercules :)

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-08 Thread Doug Peterson
PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan? I've been thinking about this a lot as my Nitto Noodles have recently developed a creak at the sleeve. I don't think the creek necessarily means they are about too break, but every time I hear it I still wonder

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-08 Thread Dustin Sharp
@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:23:57 -0800 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan? I look at $50 for a set of bars compare to medical deductible, it seems cheap insurance. I dunno, maybe I¹m a worry wart. dougP From: rbw-owners-bunch

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-08 Thread David Estes
what's funny, as a flickr'er, is the invite to post it in the Sycip group (unless it's an inside joke) On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:47 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of handlebars: Any of you guys catch this on the Sycip bros Flickr site:

[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

2009-01-08 Thread JoelMatthews
I had heard about those old Java Boy Bars but don't recall seeing them on the bike. All the more reason to follow the Sycip site closely this Spring. Even if I don't need the bars right now, the day may well come I do. Don't want to miss the chance. On Jan 8, 9:13 pm, tarik saleh

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