Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

OK, misunderstood; I thought Islabikes were walking bikes for toddlers. No, I can see a 7 or 8 year old appreciating something better than a 12" wheel department store bike. On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:50 AM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: >

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

Oh, it matters. Would I have sprung for the $$$ Islabike after buying the Giant only months before if it did not? A bike mechanic at REI was servicing both boys’ bikes and he knew the hill on our school commute. Baby Bear had been frustrated on the Giant - he was proud of his bright yellow new

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Removing the drive train? You mean to make it a stride a bike? The bikes being discussed are for kids presumably well-past that stage. And sure, my guy might not "care" but only because he has no baseline. In between the Islabike and the WOOM, I did assemble a nifty vintage GT Mt. Bike,

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I'd urge you to consider a bike with handbrakes. We found the conversion to a bike with gears MUCH easier if they were already used to handbrakes. Even their push bike has handbrakes, and our second two daughters pick it up right away whereas our first two were confused by them at a much later

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David— PM me, if you would. I believe there are 2 sizes of the Beinn 20–one “S” and on “L.” You can let me know how much you want for it. Thanks to you all for the suggestions. I’m looking into some of the other options (Woom 4, Prevelo, Cleary Hedgehog) generously mentioned. The grandsons are

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Deborah, I have the Beinn 20, which I think is the 6+ bike. My son outgrew it. If you want the specs, I can copy the original order for you. My child cared. He wanted "a bike that looks like daddy's" and the Linus we got him first was OK, but I really took hook, line, and sinker the Islabike,

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50% of rider's body weight, and with a 220 mm Q factor for a 3'4" child (didn't measure, it's metaphorical, but wouldn't surprise me if it were literal for the 12" tricycle with 3" wide pneumatic tires that I bought for 2 year old daughter).. Frankly, though, IME, small children don't care (sample

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I'm certainly long past the Islabike stage of parenthood, but I'm curious what Islabikes have to offer that a decent, properly sized child's bike with drivetrain removed does not? Besides avoiding the hassle of removing the drivetrain, of course. Patrick Moore, whose daughter stole his car, in

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Mark is right about kids’ bike weight - I learned this the hard way with the lemon bomb that was the Giant 20incher I bought Baby Bear. What a punishment it was to tackle a hill on that thing. (Heavier than my older son’s Specialized Hotrock in 24 inches.) The Giant was so bad I sold it months

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And to clarify, I don't worry about bike weight, but with kids I think it can be a negative when a bike ends up to be 35-50% of their body weight. On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:16:55 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Yes. Sold the 24" Islabike my son outgrew, got him a WOOM. Very nice bike.

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Yes. Sold the 24" Islabike my son outgrew, got him a WOOM. Very nice bike. Much lighter that most of the kid's bikes from the major brands. They also tend to have at least somewhat proportional cranks , handlebars, and brake levers. I did extensive research and I think the Islabike and the WOOM

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Agreed Patrick! We just purchased a very serviceable 24in blue road-ish bike Raleigh for my 8 yr son at the local bike shop to keep up with the lot of us. It was a Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2019, at 3:14 PM, 'DeaPatrick' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > Worth noting that while

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

Islabikes is still a successful UK company of origin and HQ . They sell there and in the EU. Woom bikes seems to make quality kids bikes for anyone looking. https://us.woombikes.com/pages/bikes-and-accessories Here's a review of a 20" version for example :

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

Worth noting that while Islabikes are wondrously Rivendelian in their approach to kid's bikes, there are other options that a quite a step above the rest listed in this thread, so if you don't find a used one, they may be worth a go? Enjoy the quest! With abandon, Patrick -- You received

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I think reading this entire thread may have been worth it for Vlad the Implier. I'm gonna think of that every time I ever hear about the better-known Vlad every time for the rest of my life. Vlad the Impaler: "My enemies will meet their demise when my sword runs through their torsos!" Vlad

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

Re: Islabikes I expect you might get something here, but if you don't, you might try a post at the iBob google groups board. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

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This post died long ago, but I’m hoping to address all of you who got one of these long enough ago that your kids might have outgrown. If anyone has a red Islabikes Beinn 20S that I could buy, I sure would love to find one for my grandson’s 5th birthday this month. -- You received this

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As a recent purchaser of an Islabikes Beinn 24, I got a promo email in my box this morning. The secret is out! Looks like they are ready to take the

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Oh c'mon, join in! On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 2:07 AM, Daniel D. wrote: > this thread makes me a little less of a riv fan :p :p > > > On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 12:10:50 AM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: >> >> Hi Scott - >> >> At the outset, I will state - this is only my opinion. You

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this thread makes me a little less of a riv fan :p :p On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 12:10:50 AM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: > > Hi Scott - > > At the outset, I will state - this is only my opinion. You are of course > free to buy and/or ride whatever you want. > > I don't think offering carbon bikes to or

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Hi Scott - At the outset, I will state - this is only my opinion. You are of course free to buy and/or ride whatever you want. I don't think offering carbon bikes to or for kids is wise or appropriate. In much the same way I do not think offering guns to kids is wise or appropriate. Do I

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The underlying philosophy of the Sam remains what it was, incarnated permanently in carefully lugged steel. Beats me - I live in a less fluid universe, apparently. Well, we'll go back to Garth and say that "one person's perspective is as good as another['s]", using this phrase as a provisional

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My Sam would change for me because part of what I love about it are the underlying philosophy and ideas. The unparalleled ride is number one, but the other stuff matters, too. To give a non-bike-related metaphor: a few years back I got the chance to play a couple of shows with one of my

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If Grant designed a CF bicycle, I for one would be very interested in it (assuming I could afford it, which is unlikely). Why? Because a Rivendell-desiged CF bike would be a very nice riding and sturdy, and very likely good looking bike. As the RR itself (via Bontrager) said in a long ago article,

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I'm zero percent surprised that CF kids' bikes don't get a warm welcome on this list. We gather here because of our love for or interest in Rivendell Bicycles--lugged steel frames for everyday use that are intended to grow in beauty through usage. CF bikes in general are the opposite of that.

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This is a funny thing to say on a Rivendell list. I do believe in list criticism instead of total Koolaid, but, I'm almost *(almost)* inclined to agree with Garth for once. *(Almost.)* Sure, I think some Rivendell things are overpriced for the value given and the quality of cheaper alternatives,

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DP, one persons perspective here is as valuable as another, regardless . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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You know honestly I am just as dumbfounded as Skenry! I think the original feelings expressed were ones of betrayal; they bought a bike that suited their needs, but the company introduces a bike that suits the needs of someone else, a bike that they take some objection too because of what it's

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Scott - please don't lump a whole list of us into those you don't agree with on one thread. Of the bicycle groups I've been observing, this is one of the most open minded and educated. :) And thanks for pointing out there are good things to be found in other bikes, too. Brian Hanson

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Trenker, could you please apply your thinking to yourself and get back with us? Read your second sentence aloud. Then read your last two paragraphs aloud. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 4:36:55 PM UTC-6, Trenker wrote: > > > I think that Skenry makes some valid points. If

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On 05/28/2016 06:36 PM, Trenker wrote: I think that Skenry makes some valid points. If the idea is to “just ride,” then who cares what kind of bike someone else chooses? Rivendells are really nice bikes. They are sturdy and good-looking and made to last. They are also expensive. I think

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I think that Skenry makes some valid points. If the idea is to “just ride,” then who cares what kind of bike someone else chooses? Rivendells are really nice bikes. They are sturdy and good-looking and made to last. They are also expensive. I think when you buy something expensive there is

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

A black Clementine may be just the ticket, Leah. Our two eldest are growing wonderfully into their mediums (we're hoping that size will fit them as their "forever" bike), but a small clementine in black or orange. I'll be doing a Continental Divide criss-cross bikepacking trip with my two

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As a side note, maybe Grant is listening and will have mercy on those of us looking for Riv-esque bikes for our kids. He's been extending his offerings with his Clem and his Rosco and his Hubbah Hubbah. Why not a bike for bigger kids? Is it feasible to make a 24 and 26 inch bike with one of the

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Let us all just try to be a little more open minded. There is a huge difference in saying I don't like a certain bicycle company because... and saying I like all bicycles because... Try to be positive cyclists and embrace the activity in its entirety. I guess I thought that you all being

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The dictionary say intolerance is unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own. Yep. On May 28, 2016 2:27 PM, "Deacon Patrick" wrote: > So, my initial response to your use of the word "intolerant," Scott, > should have been: > > Yes. People

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So, my initial response to your use of the word "intolerant," Scott, should have been: Yes. People are expressing an intolerance in this thread. That is a good thing. I am intolerant of mass produced beer, whisky from anywhere but Islay, bikes made of materials that fail without warning,

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Skenry, personal choice and discernment about a product or company doesn't even enter the realm of requiring tolerance and actually rightly exercises intolerance all the time. Though I suspect we have differing definitions. For reference my understanding of tolerance/intolerance is beautifully

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Deacon, You might want to read some of and others posts. It has been specifically stated that people liked the company before, and no longer do and they could not recommend them anymore after they EXPANDED their offerings. How tolerant is that? The "my way out the highway" approach

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Excellent point, Lynne. For us, longer rides needing water, racks, etc, are done via the cargo bike until they are big enough for the Meerkat. At that point, we'll have to use a clamp on rack system and water bottle. But on the smaller bikes, we decided the room, weight, and need just weren't

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

Doing a quick compare of the offerings of the two companies - Pro series aside, Islabike has provision to add fenders and racks, as well as water bottle cages. Cleary appears to have none of that. (two grandsons getting bigger; I look into these things as well) On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at

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Stop being ridiculous, Skenry. Nothing in this thread except your use of the words is intolerant or single-minded. In deciding between Cleary and Islabike I called and talked with both companies. Islabike was very "business and component" focused, Cleary was very "parent and kid experience

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And that's the point that is confusing, islabike is still making the type of bike that you are referring to. All they are doing is offering consumers a choice. Intolerance and single-sightedness don't seem to be those Riv qualities that some of you preach on about. So it's a great company if

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You guys are conflating the things I've written.This is not about snobbery or proselytizing, not about anti this or that, not about who should or should not be on the list. I did not question anyone's qualifications for being on RBW. If you have actually read what I wrote and the reason for

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Because I like steel, I like pretty paint jobs, I like wool, I like swedish axes, I like leather saddles, I like lugs, I like racks, I like nice bags, I like the best bike shop experience ever, But what I enjoy and am willing to spend is not the end all be all . Don't get the snobbery and

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Maybe Grant needs to make some kids bikes then. But, it seems that Islaybikes are also making the bikes you seek along with a line of bikes more performance oriented for those seeking such. Choices are good and in today's bike marketplace, there are a ton of them. I just fail to see how

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I'm on this list because I like bicycles.All of them, not just bikes that Grant markets. He does contract out some pretty ones, but I like all bikes. My stable starts with a 1958 Schwinn and goes straight thru to a 2015 Haanjo cross. There are bikes of steel, aluminum and carbon, I've

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>From my first post in this thread: > *I understand there are arguments for the existence of these things--hey, > if you have the money and you want the "best" why not? Hey, life is > competition, give the kid an edge. Hey, why not emulate your "heroes. ...* > *It goes without saying that

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There is a lot of negativity towards this company here which made me check the link so I can understand why, and after I still don't get it. I've never heard of this company before but I understand why they are making this pro line...not a lot of companies cater to the young racer and offer

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Wow. Can't quite wrap your mind around it? Let me try to help. You are on a list called Rivendelll Bicycle Works Owners Bunch. Conveniently, serendipitously even, the owner and founder of RBW wrote a post a couple of days ago that expounds on some of the motivations behind his business. Some

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

Wow is right. I have no idea what world some of you all live in. Islabike only has one philosophy, to make money. They will sell the consumer whatever they want to buy.That's how this works. On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:34 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <

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By golly yes ! It IS going to be alright . It's just another material to choose from. Obviously everyone who owns a carbon isn't crashing and burning nor will they be . On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:56:50 AM UTC-4, Skenry wrote: > > Carbon is much much sturdier than you think.

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We used to get going at speed on the bikes, jump off and watch to see how far the bikes would "ghost ride" before they crash-landed. We jumped curbs, off-roaded into the coolies and ditched the bikes wherever we felt like it. We carried friends on the bars. Yeah, carbon would have been a

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Carbon is much much sturdier than you think.Carbon is also much more trusted everywhere else in life than it is on this list.By the mode of thinking around here, carbon would also have no place on a seatpost, mountainbike, or a folder, or a car, airframe, in the military It'll be fine.