I know I keep contradicting Steve, but it's all in good sport. Just this
afternoon on my errand out and back, I deliberately tried pulling a
standard 28 oz Rivendell bottle from an Iris and doing so at an upward
angle; no problem for me, though I agree that the more flexible Butterfly
and Retro
On 08/01/2013 07:12 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I know I keep contradicting Steve, but it's all in good sport. Just
this afternoon on my errand out and back, I deliberately tried pulling
a standard 28 oz Rivendell bottle from an Iris and doing so at an
upward angle; no problem for me, though I
I want to point out the option of narrower -- meaning faster or, less
effort required -- tires.
Mounting evidence says this is not the case. Narrower is empirically not
faster in controlled experiments. Famously by Jan Heine, and repeated on a
much smaller scale by my 6th grade son in his
I have no problem commuting in the rain on my nearly-treadless Jack Browns
(700 x 33 1/3), the only thing I do out of normal is drop their pressure
down to 45 psi, so they have more contact and more cush.
- Andrew, Berkeley
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Yes, but this is a red herring, since we are talking about Marathons
compared to Paselas, and folding Paselas at that.
Sure, if you use his 42 mm 650B Extra Legeres you'll have bulk, pudge, and
speed; but the narrower 622 (23, 26, 29, 32) models are also claimed to
roll very well.
Jan's (editor
Peter:
Same as per others; as wide a tire as you can will take the hits of poor
street surfaces. I put on some 700 x 37 Schwalbe Marathon Plus
Smartguard tires and have been well impressed. I'm a daily commuter and
have had no flats for 14 months despite some pretty awful pavement. They
felt
Steve,
Seriously I've been using the iris cages now for two months with kleen
kanteens and admit they are a stiff pull, but in those two months I've
become use to them. I have never attempted to pull the third one bottom of
down tube while riding as I believe you would need to have the
Sorry you lost me. What's a red herring?
I said if you compare tires of similar construction, narrower is not
faster. Paselas are a great example since they come in or have come in
700x23,25,28,30,32,35,37. Among those tires, all with similar
construction, mounting evidence shows that
Before you know it they'll be moving up to mountain bikes, in the mean time
you might need to get the adult version of the Hotrock... a Pugsly or even
a Moonlander then you'll have your own crew and be the awsomess mom around.
Save the Foy for the times you want to be dignified.
On Thursday,
Update:
Hello,
Sorry for the false alarm,
I think I won't sell the B68.
I forgot that I had a Simpleone with Dove Bars and I hadn't tested the B68
on it.
So, to replace my perfectly broken-in and intimately-molded B17 Special
that was so viscously stolen by a hooligan, I took the B17 that
Not so fast!
I saw Keven rocking some SICK knobbies on his Betty Foy. The fenders will
have to go, but Betty with Racing Ralphs on it, all of a sudden looks like
SHREDDY Foy.
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:04:44 PM UTC-7, bwphoto wrote:
Before you know it they'll be moving up to mountain
Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the
continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my
Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it
seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I
Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks
to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies?
dougP
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the
continental divide?
Tom,
Thanks for the advice I neglected to mention said sage advice...humm as far
as moteling it where's the fun in that? That is unless they allow camp
fires in the lobby...I do hope you can make it.
Best,
Hugh
Sunland, Ca
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
In both instances those employees were just plain rude. That behavior is
inexcusable. Good on you for walking away voting with your wallet
elsewhere.
How many people want to start riding but need help selecting an affordable,
appropriate bike to get started, encounter this sort of
My Hunq serves as a rigid 29er when it has the Big Bens. So I'd advise that if
one is confident on any 2.2ish mountain bike for a given terrain, then similar
confidence would ensue on the Hunq. Given that, you then reap all the benefits
of a top-notch touring bike. Great bike!
Keep in mind, I
Just out of curiosity, Anne, have you found out if your Atlantis, can take the
Big Bens in 55?
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:38 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
My Hunq serves as a rigid 29er when it has the Big Bens. So I'd advise that
if one is confident on any
I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get
together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a
result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is
in
I haven't checked, but I suspect it can't. I'm going to put the
Schwalbe 2.0s on my other Atlantis, the purple one I use for touring,
in preparation for the Lost Coast of California.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
Just out of curiosity, Anne, have
IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:54 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry you lost me. What's a red herring?
If you mean, what does the term 'red herring' mean, it is (at least for
this conversation) an irrelevant instance offered in rebuttal. If you mean,
how is my example of a Marathon a red
The Great Divide passes through NM about 100 miles west of ABQ ...
Patrick just hoping Moore
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote:
I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get
together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out
Actually the geographic center of the contiguous US is in Kansas. The
geographic center of the US including the Riv owners in Hawaii and Alaska
is near Belle Fourche, South Dakota. :-) And if we go by population it's
either in Missouri (mean) or Indiana (median).
There are at least a couple of
Well played Bob, my mom the Social Studies teacher would be proud! I think
again its obvious this will be another Portland or Bay area thing, because
they are starved for Riv get togethers. :)
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.comwrote:
Actually the
About 96% in.
Need to check with work.
-Evan
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Hmm. Belle Fouche would be close enough to the Mickelson Trail. Kansas
would get the Katy trail. Both being former rail-trails wouldn't be overly
challenging. Mickelson might be tougher to do weather wise. Do believe a
lot of places are no longer catering to tourists by mid October. (1880's
It sounds like some folks conceive of this outing as a point-to-point tour,
while others think of it as setting up a base camp from which to do rides.
That may be something else the group needs to decide. I'm good with either,
though the logistics of lodging would be easier for the base camp
Oh, c'mon -- we need an old, fat and slow contingent. I'll keep you company.
Honestly, I'd probably not attend as am realizing that as a rider, am too
fat and slow to ride with others anymore. The price I'm paying for playing
more music this year.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Thu, Aug 1,
Hey, I thought we were going to have an entire section of our
campsites for old and slow!
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm. Belle Fouche would be close enough to the Mickelson Trail. Kansas
would get the Katy trail. Both being former rail-trails
Good plan. I did the Unknown Coast Loop on an Atlantis a year ago. Even though
it is paved, the 700x40 knobby Extremes I used were precisely whar that
particular pavement demanded. My riding friends were envious.
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Anne Paulson
I'll ride with you Eric. I'm too slow for everyone as well - though as it
turns out, I was not the lanterne rouge on this year's RAGBRAI. :-) [I'm
pretty sure that honor would fall to someone who spent too much time passed
out from all the beer folks were drinking.]
Aloha,
Bob
On Thu, Aug 1,
I am 60yo and your story is bringing back memories of riding with my kids.
I had a mountain bike with a child seat for my daughter and my son had a
BMX bike. In Lodi we have this great wilderness trail along the Mokelumne
River. We would ride for hours upon hours with my daughter laughing the
Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny
knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti
Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help
but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers.
~mike
On Thursday,
I'm not sure I'm going to be a participant, but isn't it true that, given
the way airfares are computed, if many people are coming by air, it may
actually be cheaper to fly to a major city on the coasts than to a smaller
place in the middle of the country?
Just a thought.
Joe K
On Wednesday,
On 08/01/2013 07:48 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
Steve,
Seriously I've been using the iris cages now for two months with kleen
kanteens and admit they are a stiff pull, but in those two months I've
become use to them. I have never attempted to pull the third one
bottom of down tube while riding
Yep, at least for me coming from Hawaii. :-) I'm all for the west coast as
I'm probably have enough Hawaiian Airlines miles to make it by then. Just
did RAGBRAI on United miles so those are used up.
Aloha,
Bob
On Aug 1, 2013 3:59 PM, Joe K kube...@aol.com wrote:
I'm not sure I'm going to be a
Hugh,
I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn
sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.
Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all.
Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy
The GDR is mostly roads, not MTB trail, but the roads are remote and don't
get much maintenance in places. You COULD do it on an Atlantis, but you may be
more comfy and confident with a mountain bike.
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IIRC Camp Pendleton also has a mandatory helmet requirement, in addition to
the ID. OTH, if diverted onto I-5, it's generally between Harbor Blvd in
Oceanside and Las Pulgas, where the old highway is next to I-5 accessible
without going on-base. Don't recall the distance but have been
It has been done on cyclocross tires, but that would be too underbiked for
me. An Atlantis with 2 tires would be fine, I think. As Mike said, the
favorite tires of the racers have been relatively skinny knobbies.
jim m
wc ca
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On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:59:44 PM UTC-7, Joe K wrote:
I'm not sure I'm going to be a participant, but isn't it true that, given
the way airfares are computed, if many people are coming by air, it may
actually be cheaper to fly to a major city on the coasts than to a smaller
place in
Mitch:
Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the
S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine.
Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but
you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can
Still looking for these. I have a brand spakin new set of 44 Noodles I
could trade if anyone is interested in that instead of a straight purchase.
On Monday, June 24, 2013 10:57:18 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
I am looking for a set of Soba Handlebars. I am not sure what actual
sizes they
Well Patrick, that explains where you lost me. I know what the term 'Red
Herring' means. I never said a word about Marathon tires, so that's where
you lost me. I've never ridden a Marathon. I've never ridden any Schwalbe
tire. You got me confused with somebody else.
The reason I posted
Anyone got an MKS dust cap tool to trade?
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The Unknown Coast has poor paving, and the Lost Coast just south of it
is dirt. So wide tires are definitely de rigueur.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
Good plan. I did the Unknown Coast Loop on an Atlantis a year ago. Even
though it is paved, the
Wait... am I on the Riv list? Am I seeing an appeal to what racers
use? Am I seeing claims that a certain tire would slow me down?
I'll tell you what would slow me down. Crashing and breaking a bone
out in the middle of nowhere, that's what.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller
Mitch,
It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug
has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with
appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for
Breakfast.
David mentioned a single track called the No
Tools trail on
Curtis,
Awesome! Glad to have you in on this one.
Best,
Hugh
Sunland, Ca
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hugh, count me in. A great way to end the summer.
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, hsmitham wrote:
Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would
I've read a couple of accounts of the Great Divide event, riders living on
candy bars, powdered drinks (yechchch!), no sleep, running low on water,
etc., etc. Probably wouldn't take their minimalist gear recommendations
too seriously. OTH, a couple I know road from Canada to Colorado on
Manny,
Wish I could it sounds fantastic! Soon, very soon I'll make a 3 day weekend
with a S240 and some fun city riding thrown in. You folks have a great time.
~Hugh
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an
Ask him if he wants to port the android tire pressure app to iOS for next year.
http://www.biketinker.com/2013/projects/pressure-app/
Philip
www.biketinker.com
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There are a lot of long dirt road sections, so improving efficiency is more
about completing your planned route than overall speed. While I'm not
suggesting adopting a racing focus, optimizing your bike and gear to
increase how much fun you have along the way.
But... we all have different
oops! I meant bikepacking rig.
~mike
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Hi,
I would like to take the train from San Diego to Irvine and ride down with
the group. I will check the Amtrak schedule.
On Thursday, August 1, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:
Curtis,
Awesome! Glad to have you in on this one.
Best,
Hugh
Sunland, Ca
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:02 PM,
Do you guys know what time the meetup for this ride will be on the Friday?
-Jim W.
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
Mitch,
It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug has
a point, you can ride your bike
Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5 Culver Dr, and the Tustin Metrolink
station. From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a
mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time. So far looks like 4-5-6 (???).
dougP
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
Mitch,
I can give good reports on Continental Contacts 700c x 37mm tires for wet
weather, urban commuting. Good tread, grippy rubber, very flat resistant over
8000 miles ridden. Roll somewhat sedately. On the other hand, Grand Bois Cypres
Extra Leger 700 x 32mm also do nicely in wet weather, roll like
I made my statement while erroneously reading yours in reference to the
OP's suggestion about Marathons, and not noticing your qualification as
discussed. (See? It was complex!)
By not noticing said qualification (videlicet, that you were comparing
tires of different width in the same suppleness
When I'm touring, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency.
Actually, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency in any of
my riding: I want to be comfortable and safe and have a good time. I
like to beat people up to the top of the hill, but I like a lot of
other things about
Mike: an aside: after grunting my 35 lb Fargo with hugely heavy (800 gr
rims and tires) up 17 miles of gravel climb last week, I have decided to
equip the much lighter Rhyno Lite wheelset with sub 600 gram knobbies and
save the other set for local sand.
From your experience, will taking, say, a
Hey there Peter -
In general a larger tire at a lower pressure will give the best footprint.
More footprint = more grip. Over the years, I've ridden a pretty wide
variety of tires through the rains and I'm not really sure one stands out
as horrifically bad. Wet weather riding really does
Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to take
requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make it down
in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm gonna
crash it if things work out.
-Jim W.
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I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I
mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish
bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance.
Knobbies are not needed.
Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow?
On 8/1/13, James
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