[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Ian A]

Looks like there is room for full-coverage fenders with that set-up. 
Although, I expect you'll want to put the Ralphs back on when the snow 
flies.

I now have a number of rides on Hetres (584x41) and they float along. What 
surprises me is their ability to deal with really poor condition pavement. 
They don't seem to be a fragile tire. Compass know their stuff.

IanA

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 5:33:11 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Photo of the new shoes and a singletrack update...
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqapillars-new-shoes
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Compass’ EL Snoqualmie have turned my Hunqapillar into a stout, geared 
>> Quickbeam. Grin.
>>
>> Just did my first ride on thebeauties, all of 8 miles, but it is the 8 
>> miles of Ute Pass to Woodland Park via CR21 that I ride to ride anywhere 
>> else. Wow. Yet smoother than the Compass (not surprising with 44mm vs 38). 
>> I was a full gear higher at the same exertion vs. my Racing Ralph 2.1” 
>> (yeah, a big difference in tire size, so more than one factor).
>>
>> I look forward to getting onto the singletrack and seeing how the do 
>> there. I’d LOVE a 2 or 2.1” Compass tire for an all-round do everything on 
>> a plush cloud tire, but I suspect the Snoqualmie will be far less 
>> underbiking than the Compass.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Kurt Manley]

If you're going to use an XT hub make sure it's an older one. The newer 
ones, like others have mentioned, are crap. I shattered the freehub body in 
half twice on mine in a matter of a few months. I had it replaced with a 
nos older xt that still uses the steel axle. I have tortured those and they 
are good. I have another wheelset with LX hubs and they've been ok too but 
have not put a tremendous amount of miles on them. 

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks all, I'm definitely looking for reliability, durability, and peace 
> of mind. In the end, I'll likely go with an XT, but it's fun to consider 
> the relative merits of these two "high end" options

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[RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

I just set up a new cassette, chain and chainrings, but now I'm having some 
issues shifting in my lower gears. There is almost no leeway between my bottom 
three gears so it's difficult(almost impossible) to line things up correctly 
without the chain jumping around. For context, I'm running a 9 speed with a 
wide/low double on a Sugino XD crankset with friction shifters. The mystery is 
that things were working just fine with the old set up. Should I have gotten a 
different cassette? Should I get a longer bottom bracket? Did they give me the 
wrong chain? Any suggestions? 

Thanks!
Tim
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Automatically listed with major pricing errors? Listing program? Technical 
issue? Huh? That does not make much sense to me. Somebody has to input the 
stuff, including picking a price. I notice that the seller currently has 
zero items for sale. I imagine eBay may be having a word with them.

Hope your refund is issued promptly. 



On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 1:19:15 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>
> Alas, File Under: 2GOOD 2B TRUE
>
> Hello, 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regretfully, in the last couple of days we have experienced a glitch with 
>> our new listing program. We had a number of bikes that were automatically 
>> listed with major pricing errors and some that were no longer in stock also 
>> became listed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> We need to cancel these orders today. If this causes disappointment or 
>> inconvenience to you we sincerely apologize for this technical issue. It is 
>> a top priority for us to get is resolved. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Your satisfaction is also of utmost importance to us and we would like to 
>> extend a 15% discount to another bike or bikes in our inventory as a thank 
>> you for your understanding and your business. Please let us know if we have 
>> any other bikes you would be interested in. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Please let us know if we can answer any questions or help you with 
>> anything else.
>>
>
> Ebay order was cancelled, just waiting on a refund.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My latest build has a Brooks Pro, which I like. But I used to ride the SSM 
Regal back in the day, and I liked that saddle a lot. In fact, I recently 
picked one up on eBay (white, perforated) for an upcoming build. I also 
like the B17, and the Swift. I also don't mind the Belt Fujita, which is 
firm like the Brooks Pro. I guess I have a hard ass, butt then again, these 
days 3 hours in the saddle is a long ride.

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 7:52:29 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Hi Tim, my experience with the C17 is the same as yours. I find the C17 
> good for about 10-15 miles and after that my sit bones are aching. As I 
> prefer a Brooks Pro over a B17, I thought maybe I needed a narrower saddle, 
> so I tried the C15. That was like sitting on the sharp edge of an ax. The 
> C15 is actually a lot like the old Selle San Marco Regal.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 7:47:59 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> As I continue on my quest to find relative comfort on my Sam I think I am 
>> well on my way wth a successful switch to the Albatross bars. What lies 
>> ahead is the need to address my saddle discomfort. I have two Brooks 
>> Cambium C17's. One on a Surly ICT and the other is on my Sam. I have ridden 
>> the saddles for 8 months and I have decided to give up on making them work. 
>> I feel that I am close to being comfortable with the C17. I have tried both 
>> with padded shorts and without. For rides up to an hour the saddle is ok. 
>> Anything longer than that my sits bone start to really hurt. From past 
>> experience with padded saddles I know that narrower is better for me so 
>> that is what is leading me to the C15.   
>>
>> Is there anyone who has a Cambium C15, either slotted or regular that you 
>> would be willing to let me borrow for a couple of weeks? I pay for shipping 
>> both ways and you would have my absolute word that I would return it to 
>> you. If so I would be forever grateful. I also would be willing to offer 
>> one of my C17 as a trade if this would be something that would interest 
>> anyone. Please contact me off list if this is something that you are 
>> willing to do. 
>>
>> Tim 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Just some insight on the Cambiums. Having a 35 yr. old B 17 and having 
tried the Cambium C 17 and C 19, my thoughts are that Cambiums work better 
for heavier riders. I'm now at 206 lbs and the C 17 carved and the C 19 
both feel pretty good, though my max rides on both borrowed saddles was 2 
hours. I think the Cambium needs a bit of weight to work as intended. The C 
15 must be stiff as a hatchet!

The Cambium works well for a lot of touring cyclist around the world, 
judging by all the photos on various websites. However, I'll spend my money 
next on a Rivet Diablo. Rivet totally backs their work and complaints are 
rare and far between. 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA



On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I have a Cambium on my commuter but don't find it as comfortable as a 
> Brooks B-17 or a Berthoud Aspin or Mente.  The Cambium feels harder--not 
> comfortably so--but I like the weatherproofness of it so give up a little 
> comfort for that quality since the distance isn't daunting.  
>
> Are you sure the saddle width is the issue?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[dougP]

If you go with with the EL, 3 of them will weigh about what a pair of 40 mm 
Marathon Supremes weigh.  And it is possible to physically damage a 
Marathon; I know, I've done it.  

dougP

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 6:02:16 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I like these tires so much that I'm going to use them on a tour this 
> summer. There are risks, so I'm taking an extra tire, in case one gets 
> slashed beyond repair. I just can't give up the ride quality.
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunq rider in Kingston NY

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am almost certainly positive that would be Brian, who owns just such a 
bicycle and occasionally drops in to RBW Owners Bunch. I don't think he 
would mind me saying that he moved to Kingston from Beacon not too long 
ago, and opened a small bicycle shop, Utility Bicycle Works, at 228 Wall 
Street in Kingston. I haven't had a chance to stop in yet, he just opened 
within the last month, and Kingston is a bit of a hike. Stop in and say 
hello, he's a good guy!

http://utilitybicycleworks.com/



On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 8:29:27 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> I saw a nice green hunqapilar with diagonal tube and a sackville rear bag 
> being ridden toward town at about 7:45am today on Wilbur Ave. Was it anyone 
> on this list?
> Jason (in Eddyville)

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne double top tube

[Carla Waugh]

Beautiful bike and I hope it finds a home soon!

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[drew]

I'm one of those who finds Brooks b17 shaped saddles comfortable right out of 
the box, as well as over time. The shape just works for me, I guess. I actually 
never think about my saddles now that I have a Brooks on all my bikes. They 
truly disappear for me. 
I rode with my friend the other day who spent the last part of the ride out of 
the saddle because his butt was hurting so bad. That was the first time in a 
long time that I remembered, "wait, my butt never hurts. Cool"

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Keith Muller]

If this conversation is about hubs and money is not an object, then let me 
throw my two cents in the pot.

I have two bikes with White Industries rear hubs, two bikes with Chris King 
classic rear hubs, and one bike with an XT touring hub.  

The white industries hubs are great, my only complaint is they seem to really 
chew through bearings on the non-drive side of the hub.  That's the only 
bearing that I've had to replace on those hubs.  Great value,  beautiful 
product.  

My favorite has been the Chris King Classic hub.  Both of my hubs have the 
upgraded stainless drive shell and one piece axle.  They are tough and durable. 
 They are easy to adjust, and the seals on the bearings keep crap out.  
Maintenance on the bearings take a special tool, but taking the freehub body 
off for cleaning and maintenance only requires simple allen wrenches.  Any good 
shop will have the king hub tool for the more complicated bearing maintenance.  
Price for the King classic hub with upgraded driveshell and axle is north of 
$500.  But if money isn't an issue, then why not shoot for the moon!

Keith

PS the XT hub is shit!  Shit I tell you!  

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

30 front-40 rear.

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> 45-50, but I'm too scared to play around! I'm almost exclusively on 
> potasphalt. How bout you?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Ed Fausto]

"the replacement of the steel axles with aluminum resulted in smaller
diameter bearing balls to allow for the increase in axle diameter. The
result is compromised longevity."

Thanks Pano for this insight/info.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:51 AM, panog  wrote:

> I have the WI MI5 on my Riv and I am very pleased with it. The wheels are
> built using H+Son TB-14 rims and 36 Sapim Race spokes.
> A word of caution on the newer XT hubs; the replacement of the steel axles
> with aluminum resulted in smaller diameter bearing balls to allow for the
> increase in axle diameter. The result is compromised longevity. The Deore
> LX is a better hub for touring applications if you want Shimano
>
> Pano
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[panog]

I have the WI MI5 on my Riv and I am very pleased with it. The wheels are built 
using H+Son TB-14 rims and 36 Sapim Race spokes. 
A word of caution on the newer XT hubs; the replacement of the steel axles with 
aluminum resulted in smaller diameter bearing balls to allow for the increase 
in axle diameter. The result is compromised longevity. The Deore LX is a better 
hub for touring applications if you want Shimano

Pano

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[John G.]

45-50, but I'm too scared to play around! I'm almost exclusively on potasphalt. 
How bout you?

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

What psi do you run yours, John? I'm also on Atlas rims and weigh the same 
as you.

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 8:23:44 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> After about 200 miles, mine measured 43mm on Velocity Atlas rims. Truly 
> delightful tires--glad you enjoyed them!

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[John G.]

After about 200 miles, mine measured 43mm on Velocity Atlas rims. Truly 
delightful tires--glad you enjoyed them!

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Model - Newsletter

[Joe Bernard]

I read it as "no more Sams or Appaloosas for 648 days, so if you like the ones 
we have now (in these colors), get 'em now."

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Birdman,
I have no experience with PW but I had Rich build me a WI M15 26" (36
spokes) rear wheel and a Son Hub front (36 spokes) for my 51 Atlantis.
Both front and rear wheels performed well during my TransAm last 2016.
I was very glad I had Rich build my wheels since I met 3 cyclist
experiencing spokes breaking during their tour.
Ed

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Birdman  wrote:

> Thanks all, I'm enjoying and learning from your
> thoughts/experiences/opinions.
>
> Cory, I've been in touch with Rich too. In fact, it was his mentioning the
> WI and PW as "high end" options for my situation/build that prompted this
> thread. Pleasure to meet another Atlantis-awaiter.
>
> Thanks again for the thoughts
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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Birdman]

Thanks all, I'm enjoying and learning from your thoughts/experiences/opinions.

Cory, I've been in touch with Rich too. In fact, it was his mentioning the WI 
and PW as "high end" options for my situation/build that prompted this thread. 
Pleasure to meet another Atlantis-awaiter.

Thanks again for the thoughts 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne double top tube

[drew]

Thanks! 
price drop to 1450$ for riv group and ibob members for the basic build. i 
have it listed on CL HERE 
, with photos of 
the bike as it will be sold. 

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

My plan exactly, Jay! nearly the perfect plush all terrain touring tire, 
though underbiking a wee bit on technical single track. I've ridden my QB 
on a lot of technical single track over the last three+ years with the 
Barlow Pass tires and not once had a sidewall issue, which surprises me 
given the decomposed granite we have around here.

SS Johnny: At the moment they measure 41mm, but I expect that to grow to 
42-43 as they stretch, similarly to the Barlows. 

Clarification to my initial post: the skinnier Compass tires I'm comparing 
the Snoqualmie to are the Barlow Pass tires.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 7:02:16 PM UTC-6, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I like these tires so much that I'm going to use them on a tour this 
> summer. There are risks, so I'm taking an extra tire, in case one gets 
> slashed beyond repair. I just can't give up the ride quality.
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Jay Connolly]

I like these tires so much that I'm going to use them on a tour this summer. 
There are risks, so I'm taking an extra tire, in case one gets slashed beyond 
repair. I just can't give up the ride quality.

Jay

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[RBW] Snoqualmie Wow

[Singlespeed Johnny]

what width do they measure out at?

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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Cory Clechenko]

Isaac-

I'm in the same position as you - I'm awaiting an Atlantis, and presently 
putting together my build (with two wheelsets).  I had thought about Phil 
hubs for one set of wheels (old XT hubs I already had for the other), but I 
went with MI-5s after speaking with Rich.  There was no implication of 
problems with the Phil hubs, but rather he recommended the MI-5s as a 
better choice/value, at least for my situation (650b Atlantis, atlas rims 
for that wheelset, 200lbs). 

Cory
Houston 





On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 10:38:28 AM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>
> So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have 
> lots of fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality sets 
> in 3-4 months from now.
>
> Lately I've been thinking about a wheel set. I'm a big guy at 250lbs and 
> will be riding on pavement, gravel, and dirt roads on short tours with 
> front and rear racks, basket, panniers, etc. The latest plan is to run 50mm 
> Marathon Duremes.  
>
> I have a 36h wide body SON hub for the front and Rich has recommended 
> Atlas rims. As for the rear cassette hub, which would you recommend if 
> money were no object (it is, but this a dream build):
>
> White Industries MI5
>
> or
>
> Phil Wood Touring?
>
> Isaac
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Nathan Spratt]

I own the PW touring hub, had it for 3 years now. On the way down the coast 
on my tour last summer I stopped by PW and had them upgrade the hub to the 
latest 11 speed cassette body and change all the bearings, not that I 
needed it, I was just in the area. Since then I've put 10,000km on it 
without any issues. The latest design of the cassette body allows for user 
pawl replacement, and they include an extra set of pawls when you buy your 
hub. They said that they made the pawl steel softer than the ratchet ring 
steel so that it is an easy wear item to replace. You do need to check the 
hubs once a month or two depending on how much you ride, make sure 
everything is lubed and tight. There is still a fair bit of internal 
resistance when freewheeling, even after 10,000km, but since it's on my 
touring bike I don't worry about it. I certainly would not put it on a "go 
fast" bike though. The hubs are really heavy.

The only issues I've heard with the White are that the bearings are so-so 
and need replacement sooner than later. One could have the best of both 
worlds by replacing the bearings in the WI hub with PW spec bearings. I do 
like the idea they make the pawls out of S2 steel, I haven't heard any 
complaints about the ratchet mech in the WI hubs, so that's a good thing.

Nathan Spratt
Vancouver, BC

On Wednesday, 14 June 2017 08:38:28 UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>
> So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have 
> lots of fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality sets 
> in 3-4 months from now.
>
> Lately I've been thinking about a wheel set. I'm a big guy at 250lbs and 
> will be riding on pavement, gravel, and dirt roads on short tours with 
> front and rear racks, basket, panniers, etc. The latest plan is to run 50mm 
> Marathon Duremes.  
>
> I have a 36h wide body SON hub for the front and Rich has recommended 
> Atlas rims. As for the rear cassette hub, which would you recommend if 
> money were no object (it is, but this a dream build):
>
> White Industries MI5
>
> or
>
> Phil Wood Touring?
>
> Isaac
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Joe Bernard]

I've purchased several used B17s and they were all comfortable immediately. 
Every body-to-saddle relationship is different, but I've never found that the 
used shape interferes with mine. 

Someone else mentioned adapting to new ones right away, which I'm sure is 
possible if "right away" means lots of long rides. I'm a bit of a short-ride 
plonker, so it takes me quite a while to break in a Brooks B17.  

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

Keith, front, yes. Rear, possibly, but you be limited to the rearward wheel 
position and it would be snug. I haven't tried mounting them, and I've only 
inflated mine to 35psi and they measure 41mm. I expect them to expand with 
time, as the Compass did.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 5:40:27 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> would those fit on an "actual" quickbeam?

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Bob K.]

For about a decade, I rode B17s exclusively. I then I went on a short tour with 
a bunch of rain in the forecast and didn't want to fuss with leather--not that 
my saddles haven't gotten wet many times over the years, but regardless. I 
threw on a relatively narrow Selle plastic saddle and went for it. I loved it. 
But honestly, as much as I liked the feel and no-fuss nature of it, it was too 
ugly. I demoed a C15 to see if that would be a good middle ground and I hated 
it at first. Felt like a rock. Made some adjustments and took a few more rides 
and all of a sudden I liked it. Ordered a C15 carved and couldn't be happier. I 
still love the B17 on my Sam, but the C15 carved ticks all the boxes for me in 
terms of comfort, good looks, and lack of fuss. 

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Hunq rider in Kingston NY

[jandrews_nyc]

I saw a nice green hunqapilar with diagonal tube and a sackville rear bag being 
ridden toward town at about 7:45am today on Wilbur Ave. Was it anyone on this 
list?
Jason (in Eddyville)

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[Jonathan D.]

I am sure you would have not problem unloading. Saves me explaining how good of 
a deal it is to my wife. She normally doesn't buy that argument. 

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Clayton.sf]

New XT hubs suck. You won't save money and maybe even kill yourself or your 
frame. 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Christopher Cote]

Hi Tim, my experience with the C17 is the same as yours. I find the C17 
good for about 10-15 miles and after that my sit bones are aching. As I 
prefer a Brooks Pro over a B17, I thought maybe I needed a narrower saddle, 
so I tried the C15. That was like sitting on the sharp edge of an ax. The 
C15 is actually a lot like the old Selle San Marco Regal.

Chris



On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 7:47:59 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> As I continue on my quest to find relative comfort on my Sam I think I am 
> well on my way wth a successful switch to the Albatross bars. What lies 
> ahead is the need to address my saddle discomfort. I have two Brooks 
> Cambium C17's. One on a Surly ICT and the other is on my Sam. I have ridden 
> the saddles for 8 months and I have decided to give up on making them work. 
> I feel that I am close to being comfortable with the C17. I have tried both 
> with padded shorts and without. For rides up to an hour the saddle is ok. 
> Anything longer than that my sits bone start to really hurt. From past 
> experience with padded saddles I know that narrower is better for me so 
> that is what is leading me to the C15.   
>
> Is there anyone who has a Cambium C15, either slotted or regular that you 
> would be willing to let me borrow for a couple of weeks? I pay for shipping 
> both ways and you would have my absolute word that I would return it to 
> you. If so I would be forever grateful. I also would be willing to offer 
> one of my C17 as a trade if this would be something that would interest 
> anyone. Please contact me off list if this is something that you are 
> willing to do. 
>
> Tim 
>

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[sameness]

Yeah, I'm really not bummed at all, I honestly expected to see this in my 
inbox sooner than later. 

If I am being honest I have wy too many bikes as it is. But agreed, I 
was flying high on the fumes of that deal yesterday for sure.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 3:31:15 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>
> too bad, i looked at their listings for other bikes and noticed quite a 
> few that were priced too low when compared with other ones that looked to 
> be priced retail.  
>
> it's too bad, but at the same time it seems like an honest mistake and not 
> something sketchy so gotta let it go.  besides think of the 24 hrs of joy 
> you got thinking you got a great deal--no matter how fleeting!
>

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[iamkeith]

Looks nice.  You're probably the guy to ask:  would those fit on an "actual" 
quickbeam?

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

Photo of the new shoes and a singletrack update...
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqapillars-new-shoes

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Compass’ EL Snoqualmie have turned my Hunqapillar into a stout, geared 
> Quickbeam. Grin.
>
> Just did my first ride on thebeauties, all of 8 miles, but it is the 8 
> miles of Ute Pass to Woodland Park via CR21 that I ride to ride anywhere 
> else. Wow. Yet smoother than the Compass (not surprising with 44mm vs 38). 
> I was a full gear higher at the same exertion vs. my Racing Ralph 2.1” 
> (yeah, a big difference in tire size, so more than one factor).
>
> I look forward to getting onto the singletrack and seeing how the do 
> there. I’d LOVE a 2 or 2.1” Compass tire for an all-round do everything on 
> a plush cloud tire, but I suspect the Snoqualmie will be far less 
> underbiking than the Compass.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Frank Brose]

Go with the XT's and use the money you save for Nitto stuff. That way you 
get both. Dependable hubs and dependable bicycle bling.

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:26:00 AM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks all, I'm definitely looking for reliability, durability, and peace 
> of mind. In the end, I'll likely go with an XT, but it's fun to consider 
> the relative merits of these two "high end" options

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne double top tube

[Jonathan D.]

Great looking bike. Wish I could add one to my collection.  

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[Jonathan D.]

I emailed to see if they had any other. Said they sold and shipped one. Didn't 
have another one. Great buy. 

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[Minh]

too bad, i looked at their listings for other bikes and noticed quite a few 
that were priced too low when compared with other ones that looked to be 
priced retail.  

it's too bad, but at the same time it seems like an honest mistake and not 
something sketchy so gotta let it go.  besides think of the 24 hrs of joy 
you got thinking you got a great deal--no matter how fleeting!

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 1:19:15 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>
> Alas, File Under: 2GOOD 2B TRUE
>
> Hello, 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regretfully, in the last couple of days we have experienced a glitch with 
>> our new listing program. We had a number of bikes that were automatically 
>> listed with major pricing errors and some that were no longer in stock also 
>> became listed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> We need to cancel these orders today. If this causes disappointment or 
>> inconvenience to you we sincerely apologize for this technical issue. It is 
>> a top priority for us to get is resolved. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Your satisfaction is also of utmost importance to us and we would like to 
>> extend a 15% discount to another bike or bikes in our inventory as a thank 
>> you for your understanding and your business. Please let us know if we have 
>> any other bikes you would be interested in. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Please let us know if we can answer any questions or help you with 
>> anything else.
>>
>
> Ebay order was cancelled, just waiting on a refund.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[REC]

Hi, Broccoli Cog.

I got my first Brooks--a B17 two months ago on a Joe A.   Prior to that, I 
rode inexpensive saddles that I purchased at the LBS, but those rides were 
usually short, less than 10 miles.  

My first ride on B17 was OK, but my sits bones and back hurt a little, like 
the first spring ride after the winter is finally over.  Don't know if it 
was the saddle or the upright position.  Never had an issue after that.  
Only about 125-150 miles on it so far and no other issues.  I cannot say 
"it's the most comfortable saddle ever" but I can say that I can ride it 30 
miles without any issues and not really noticing it's there.  I guess that 
makes it the most comfortable saddle in that there is no discomfort at all.

I did try a cambium, the C19 I think, on a test ride of another bike and 
did not like it.  However, I was only on it for 10 minutes, so not sure 
that was a fair test ride.  One day, I'd like to try a flyer on my Joe.

I ride in regular clothes, no padded shorts. 

Roberta

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:15:50 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:

> I agree Jay. I think that hump at the top of the C17 is problematic for 
> me. The comments are making me think more about trying a B17

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Model - Newsletter

[REC]

" not being able to get an orange Sam or a green/silver Appaloosa for at 
least 648 days "

I read this as those colors might not be available for those models, not 
that the models are going away.  The Appaloosa was such a swift seller (and 
loved by many, including me), I cannot imaging not bringing in more "soon."

On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned the comment in the May 30 
> newsletter about not being able to get an orange Sam or a green/silver 
> Appaloosa for at least 648 days BUT that something in the middle might be 
> replacing them next year.  Having a bike between a Sam and a Joe seems to 
> be splitting a finer line but I'm stoked to see what they come with (or 
> maybe come up with).  I recently bought a silver 51 Joe and it has really 
> calmed down my bike buying desires because it is just so good.  I have a 
> Sam, Joe, Cheviot, San Marcos , Rosco Mountain Mixte on order and a 
> Quickbeam so I don't need another.  But I'm endlessly interested in what 
> they come up with.
>

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[RBW] Re: AHH with Shimano Nexus 8 Speed Internal Gear Hub

[Ash A]

Hi R Gonet, 

Curious as to what has been your long term experience with the IGH...





On Wednesday, 2 July 2008 20:46:41 UTC-7, R Gonet wrote:
>
> I just completed building up a Hilsen with a Shimano 8 speed internal 
> gear hub and really enjoy it.  It is simple, easy to use, requires 
> little maintenance, and seems indestructible.  The newest version is 
> supposed to be improved and can be installed with a disk brake, which 
> seems to be a great improvement.  When I was searching for information 
> I was surprised to learn from Grant that they had never built such a 
> bike with this hub, and I talked to some of the frame builders at the 
> Cirque du Cyclisme last month and they had no experience with them, 
> either.  All of this surprised me, since this hub seems like such a 
> practical, no-nonsense way to go.  Anyway, long story short, my 
> mechanic and I completed the build and in the process we learned a few 
> "tricks" that I'd like to pass along to anyone interested.  First, the 
> correct spindle length is 113 for a Sugino RD crank, which Rich at 
> Rivendell suggested. You'll also need a chain tensioner and the Surly 
> Singleator not only looks OK but works fine.  But the real neat trick 
> is to install a coupler in the shift cable to make it easy to detach 
> the cable and remove the wheel to change a flat.  I won't go into 
> detail except to say that it's difficult without the coupler, simple 
> with it, and this is the only downside I had found in using this Nexus 
> hub.  If you're considering using this hub, I'd be more than happy to 
> share my limited knowledge with you.  I'm really happy with it and 
> haven't found a reason to prefer derailers over the Nexus. 
>
> BTW, the rest of the bike is pretty Riv'ed out:  Silver sidepull 
> brakes, Tektro Interrupteurs, Noodle bar, Cane Creek levers, Grip King 
> pedals (another revelation), Jack Browns, Brooks B-17.  Makes me want 
> to wear searsucker. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road, Rambouillet and a poor man's Hunqapillar

[Kieran J]

That Road is sooo nice. GLWS!

KJ


On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 1:36:47 PM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote:
>
> These are now listed on eBay...  currently at super low prices with no 
> reserve!  Please take a look and bid!
>
>
> On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 8:53:49 PM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote:
>>
>> A pending move has motivated me to thin the herd a bit...  
>>
>> First up is a Rivendell Road with a very nice 10 speed Campy build.  The 
>> 61cm Waterford built frame is Reynolds 753 and 531 fork with light metallic 
>> blue paint and a cream head tube.  The build is a mix of Centaur, Record 
>> and Chorus with a beautiful Specailites TA crankset.  The bars, stem and 
>> seat pillar are Nitto and it rides on a new set of 30mm Grand Bois Cypress 
>> tires.  $1850
>>
>> Link to Cyclofiend page on the Rivendell Road info and geometry:  
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/ and hopefully a photo is displayed 
>> below.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Next is my 60cm Rambouillet.  It's spec'd pretty much as when originally 
>> sold with a solid Riv build.  It currently rides on fast 27mm Challenge 
>> Paris Roubiax tires which could be swapped for some Paselas if you prefer 
>> something little wider. $1600
>>
>> Link to Cyclofiend page on the Rivendell Rambouillet info and geometry: 
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html and hopefully a 
>> photo displayed below.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Finally, (I hope the list doesn't mind me slipping this in) is my Giant 
>> Peace 29R... sort of Hunq-like?  It's a size large which is a 19" seat 
>> tube. This is a very nice ride with a Reynolds 520 frame with a Shimano 
>> Deore group and Easton, Tektro, WTB components.  It has been upgraded with 
>> On-One Mary bars and Ergon grips.  $500  Hopefully a photo here too:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> All of the bikes show use, but no damage, dents or dings.  Shipping, 
>> saddles and bottle cages are not included.  I will ship via Bike Flights 
>> unless the buyer prefers another method.  I am located in SE PA. 
>> Delivery/meet-up between Philly, Baltimore and DC may be possible schedule 
>> permitting.  I'm sure I missed something so please feel free to contact me 
>> directly with questions or interest.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

Compass’ EL Snoqualmie have turned my Hunqapillar into a stout, geared 
Quickbeam. Grin.

Just did my first ride on thebeauties, all of 8 miles, but it is the 8 miles of 
Ute Pass to Woodland Park via CR21 that I ride to ride anywhere else. Wow. Yet 
smoother than the Compass (not surprising with 44mm vs 38). I was a full gear 
higher at the same exertion vs. my Racing Ralph 2.1” (yeah, a big difference in 
tire size, so more than one factor).

I look forward to getting onto the singletrack and seeing how the do there. I’d 
LOVE a 2 or 2.1” Compass tire for an all-round do everything on a plush cloud 
tire, but I suspect the Snoqualmie will be far less underbiking than the 
Compass.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Platform Pedal Recommendation for Sam

[Clayton.sf]

Most comfortable platform pedal I have ever pedaled is the Canfield 
Cramp-on Ultimate. The new Mountain version looks good too, but have no 
first hand experience.

The are convex! Not concave. They need some lube now and then, but so far 
they have held very well on the MTB. Very spendy, but more comfy than 
Wellgo MG-1, VP, GripKing, Shimano, MKS touring, etc. Feeling on the foot 
is like amazingly comfortable arch support with no pressure where I don't 
like it. I can ride them for hours in nothing but a pair of thin soled 
bedrock sandals.

For lower price the MG-1 are hard to beat. Light, strong, trouble free. I 
have approx. 30,000 miles on one set and it is still going strong.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 10:32:18 AM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
>
> I think Shimano Saint is worth a mention.  I have it on one of my bikes. 
>  Have no complaints.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 12 June 2017 08:07:36 UTC-7, Austin B wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a recommendation for a decent quality, inexpensive 
>> (<$40), large platform pedal for my Sam Hillborne. 
>>
>> I currently run Shimano XT SPD's on my Sam Hillborne but want platform 
>> pedals as I'm planning to do some rides along the C canal and fishing the 
>> Potomac. For this, I'd like to wear my Keen sandals for biking and fishing.
>>
>> Now, Keens are known for being quite wide, and at size 12 shoes, I'm 
>> taking that to a bit of an extreme. Hence the size of the platforms being 
>> wide enough for my shoes is the most important criteria. Smaller, cheap 
>> platforms won't work as it always feels like the outside of my feet are 
>> unsupported.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Austin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Philip Kim]

i had a rear hub for this and it was also excellent

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 1:50:37 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Or what about Rivendell's Silver hubs? Not as pricey but they seem to be 
> good-looking, reasonably priced  and I'm sure are meant to be super-reliable
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:26:00 AM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all, I'm definitely looking for reliability, durability, and peace 
>> of mind. In the end, I'll likely go with an XT, but it's fun to consider 
>> the relative merits of these two "high end" options
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Ryan Fleming]

Or what about Rivendell's Silver hubs? Not as pricey but they seem to be 
good-looking, reasonably priced  and I'm sure are meant to be super-reliable

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:26:00 AM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks all, I'm definitely looking for reliability, durability, and peace 
> of mind. In the end, I'll likely go with an XT, but it's fun to consider 
> the relative merits of these two "high end" options

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road, Rambouillet and a poor man's Hunqapillar

[rw1911]

These are now listed on eBay...  currently at super low prices with no 
reserve!  Please take a look and bid!


On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 8:53:49 PM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote:
>
> A pending move has motivated me to thin the herd a bit...  
>
> First up is a Rivendell Road with a very nice 10 speed Campy build.  The 
> 61cm Waterford built frame is Reynolds 753 and 531 fork with light metallic 
> blue paint and a cream head tube.  The build is a mix of Centaur, Record 
> and Chorus with a beautiful Specailites TA crankset.  The bars, stem and 
> seat pillar are Nitto and it rides on a new set of 30mm Grand Bois Cypress 
> tires.  $1850
>
> Link to Cyclofiend page on the Rivendell Road info and geometry:  
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/ and hopefully a photo is displayed 
> below.
>
>
> 
>
> Next is my 60cm Rambouillet.  It's spec'd pretty much as when originally 
> sold with a solid Riv build.  It currently rides on fast 27mm Challenge 
> Paris Roubiax tires which could be swapped for some Paselas if you prefer 
> something little wider. $1600
>
> Link to Cyclofiend page on the Rivendell Rambouillet info and geometry: 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html and hopefully a 
> photo displayed below.
>
>
> 
>
>
> Finally, (I hope the list doesn't mind me slipping this in) is my Giant 
> Peace 29R... sort of Hunq-like?  It's a size large which is a 19" seat 
> tube. This is a very nice ride with a Reynolds 520 frame with a Shimano 
> Deore group and Easton, Tektro, WTB components.  It has been upgraded with 
> On-One Mary bars and Ergon grips.  $500  Hopefully a photo here too:
>
>
> 
>
>
> All of the bikes show use, but no damage, dents or dings.  Shipping, 
> saddles and bottle cages are not included.  I will ship via Bike Flights 
> unless the buyer prefers another method.  I am located in SE PA. 
> Delivery/meet-up between Philly, Baltimore and DC may be possible schedule 
> permitting.  I'm sure I missed something so please feel free to contact me 
> directly with questions or interest.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Platform Pedal Recommendation for Sam

[Ash A]

I think Shimano Saint is worth a mention.  I have it on one of my bikes. 
 Have no complaints.




On Monday, 12 June 2017 08:07:36 UTC-7, Austin B wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a recommendation for a decent quality, inexpensive (<$40), 
> large platform pedal for my Sam Hillborne. 
>
> I currently run Shimano XT SPD's on my Sam Hillborne but want platform 
> pedals as I'm planning to do some rides along the C canal and fishing the 
> Potomac. For this, I'd like to wear my Keen sandals for biking and fishing.
>
> Now, Keens are known for being quite wide, and at size 12 shoes, I'm 
> taking that to a bit of an extreme. Hence the size of the platforms being 
> wide enough for my shoes is the most important criteria. Smaller, cheap 
> platforms won't work as it always feels like the outside of my feet are 
> unsupported.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
> Austin
>

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Clayton.sf]

I have had excellent experience with both DT 240s/350s hubs and recent WI.

The WI MI5 is a fantastic hub with emphasis on durability and likely would 
look best on the Atlantis.

 If you want DT you have to by older versions. All new ones in 135mm are 
disc hubs. You can change the rear spacing from 130 to 135 with an end-cap, 
but is it not recommended by DT because they feel like it changes the dish 
to the detriment of the wheel.

Stay away from current (anything past 750) xt touring hubs. I "saved" some 
money on a rear hub and had the Freewheel seize up twice on me in the past 
2 years, essentially turning the bike into a derailered fixed gear. Super 
dangerous to rider and bike alike! I am not the only one with this problem. 
Not sure what causes it but the new Freehub bearings are smaller than in 
the past. 

Clayton Scott,
SF, CA





On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 9:38:35 AM UTC-7, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Issac,
> You may want to peruse the archives of the tandem list and see 
> what holds up well on tandems. 
> In the past, I've had very good luck with Phil wood freewheel hubs but 
> their cassette hubs don't seem to have the same durability. 
>
> I have little experience with cassette hubs but I've seen numerous glowing 
> reviews for various Shimano hubs. 
>
> You may also check with Peter White for his recommendation. 
> He sells lots of wheels to touring riders and has many years of experience 
> getting feedback on equipment. 
>
> Ray
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Garth]

   More money doesn't always mean a better hub, and I define an excellent 
hub as one that works as intended with minimal maintenance. 

FWIW, I don't own any cassette wheels, having run PW FW hubs ongoing. They 
have been excellent, and I for one do prefer the independence of hub and 
freewheel.

I keep thinking "one of these days" I may get a cassette wheel , and what 
would I choose. so yeah I have wondered about these things just like Isaac. 

I have read many "reports/reviews" of various failures with PW and even 
Shimano hubs, mainly the late generation XT hubs with the aluminum axles. I 
have not ran across one failure with WI hubs however.  So I guess I'd 
choose between a basic Deore or LX and the WI M15. Yes I know LX are not 
manufactured anymore but I do see Peter While lists he has some still and 
so do others if you look around. 

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Dan McNamara]

I will recommend the WI hub as well. They are a great company to deal with
for any support issues.

Dan

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Birdman  wrote:

> Thanks all, I'm definitely looking for reliability, durability, and peace
> of mind. In the end, I'll likely go with an XT, but it's fun to consider
> the relative merits of these two "high end" options
>
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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[sameness]

Alas, File Under: 2GOOD 2B TRUE

Hello, 
>
>  
>
> Regretfully, in the last couple of days we have experienced a glitch with 
> our new listing program. We had a number of bikes that were automatically 
> listed with major pricing errors and some that were no longer in stock also 
> became listed.
>
>  
>
> We need to cancel these orders today. If this causes disappointment or 
> inconvenience to you we sincerely apologize for this technical issue. It is 
> a top priority for us to get is resolved. 
>
>  
>
> Your satisfaction is also of utmost importance to us and we would like to 
> extend a 15% discount to another bike or bikes in our inventory as a thank 
> you for your understanding and your business. Please let us know if we have 
> any other bikes you would be interested in. 
>
>  
>
> Please let us know if we can answer any questions or help you with 
> anything else.
>

Ebay order was cancelled, just waiting on a refund.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Ray Varella]

Issac,
You may want to peruse the archives of the tandem list and see what 
holds up well on tandems. 
In the past, I've had very good luck with Phil wood freewheel hubs but their 
cassette hubs don't seem to have the same durability. 

I have little experience with cassette hubs but I've seen numerous glowing 
reviews for various Shimano hubs. 

You may also check with Peter White for his recommendation. 
He sells lots of wheels to touring riders and has many years of experience 
getting feedback on equipment. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bruce Gordon Racks

[BG]

Please give me a call at the shop if you want to know more about these racks,

Regards,
Bruce Gordon
Bruce Gordon Cycles 
www.bgcycles.com
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(707) 762-5601

On Jun 13, 2017, at 6:26 PM, drew  wrote:

> these came with, not on, a specialized expedition i recently bought (and im 
> supposed to be getting rid of bikes). condition is structurally great, 
> cosmetically decent. no dents or damage, but some of the paint has rubbed off 
> where things have been attached, as you'd expect. part of me wants to keep 
> them and have them powdercoated a different color, but i know i wont get 
> around to that. the rear upper struts are a bit baffling. i dont understand 
> how they adjust, and if they dont adjust, i dont understand why they arent 
> just brazed onto the rack. Also, with the rear, the dropout struts have a 
> little bendable adjustment, but i think this will work much easier on a bike 
> with 126-130mm rear spacing rather than 135. On the front, the distance from 
> the dropout mount to the midfork slot is 7.5-8.2 inches, depending on where 
> in the slot you mount. little adaptor plates can be bought to make most 
> midfork eyelets work.
> 
> 
> 
> 185$ shipped CONUS 
> 
>   
> 
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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Birdman]

Thanks all, I'm definitely looking for reliability, durability, and peace of 
mind. In the end, I'll likely go with an XT, but it's fun to consider the 
relative merits of these two "high end" options

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Kieran J]

I know it's only anecdotal but FWIW I have heard more reliability 
complaints about Phil Wood products than any other manufacturer. I realize 
some PW owners have had trouble-free experiences, but personally I would 
seriously would think twice about spending huge money on something having 
heard that much negative feedback.

KJ


On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I've had the Phil Wood Touring hubs, and I'm done with them. 
>
> The one that was on my Saluki and eventually on my MAP failed on a ride 
> when one of the ratchets broke off and in turn ruined the gearing on the 
> inside of the hub shell.  I had Phil rebuild it, but there was so much 
> internal resistance if I turned the crank backwards the chain would 
> droop down onto the chainstay.  After three or four attempts at a fix at 
> the LBS I finally gave up and retired the wheel, replaced with a new one 
> built on a Shimano 105 hub. 
>
> My other Phil hub was built into a 700C wheel that was on my Rambouillet 
> and then my VO Randonneur.  For the past 5 years it had been making 
> clanking noises while pedaling, including the odd occasional "skip".  I 
> figured it was the same condition as the other one, but this time 
> instead of spending several hundred dollars having Phil rebuild the hub, 
> I got a new wheel built on a Dura Ace hub instead.  Proof positive that 
> it was the hub: as soon as I swapped out the wheel the clanking and 
> skipping stopped. 
>
> I have no experience with the White Industries hubs, although I know 
> many speak well of them.  But I wouldn't rule out a plain old Shimano 
> hub - they give excellent service and they're a whole lot less expensive 
> than boutique hubs. 
>
>
> On 06/14/2017 11:38 AM, Birdman wrote: 
> > So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have 
> lots of fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality sets 
> in 3-4 months from now. 
> > 
> > Lately I've been thinking about a wheel set. I'm a big guy at 250lbs and 
> will be riding on pavement, gravel, and dirt roads on short tours with 
> front and rear racks, basket, panniers, etc. The latest plan is to run 50mm 
> Marathon Duremes. 
> > 
> > I have a 36h wide body SON hub for the front and Rich has recommended 
> Atlas rims. As for the rear cassette hub, which would you recommend if 
> money were no object (it is, but this a dream build): 
> > 
> > White Industries MI5 
> > 
> > or 
> > 
> > Phil Wood Touring? 
> > 
> > Isaac 
> > 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Ryan Fleming]

I think the WI M15's are beautiful hubs and less spendy than PW rear 
cassette hubs

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 10:38:28 AM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>
> So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have 
> lots of fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality sets 
> in 3-4 months from now.
>
> Lately I've been thinking about a wheel set. I'm a big guy at 250lbs and 
> will be riding on pavement, gravel, and dirt roads on short tours with 
> front and rear racks, basket, panniers, etc. The latest plan is to run 50mm 
> Marathon Duremes.  
>
> I have a 36h wide body SON hub for the front and Rich has recommended 
> Atlas rims. As for the rear cassette hub, which would you recommend if 
> money were no object (it is, but this a dream build):
>
> White Industries MI5
>
> or
>
> Phil Wood Touring?
>
> Isaac
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Steve Palincsar]

I've had the Phil Wood Touring hubs, and I'm done with them.

The one that was on my Saluki and eventually on my MAP failed on a ride 
when one of the ratchets broke off and in turn ruined the gearing on the 
inside of the hub shell.  I had Phil rebuild it, but there was so much 
internal resistance if I turned the crank backwards the chain would 
droop down onto the chainstay.  After three or four attempts at a fix at 
the LBS I finally gave up and retired the wheel, replaced with a new one 
built on a Shimano 105 hub.


My other Phil hub was built into a 700C wheel that was on my Rambouillet 
and then my VO Randonneur.  For the past 5 years it had been making 
clanking noises while pedaling, including the odd occasional "skip".  I 
figured it was the same condition as the other one, but this time 
instead of spending several hundred dollars having Phil rebuild the hub, 
I got a new wheel built on a Dura Ace hub instead.  Proof positive that 
it was the hub: as soon as I swapped out the wheel the clanking and 
skipping stopped.


I have no experience with the White Industries hubs, although I know 
many speak well of them.  But I wouldn't rule out a plain old Shimano 
hub - they give excellent service and they're a whole lot less expensive 
than boutique hubs.



On 06/14/2017 11:38 AM, Birdman wrote:

So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have lots of 
fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality sets in 3-4 months 
from now.

Lately I've been thinking about a wheel set. I'm a big guy at 250lbs and will 
be riding on pavement, gravel, and dirt roads on short tours with front and 
rear racks, basket, panniers, etc. The latest plan is to run 50mm Marathon 
Duremes.

I have a 36h wide body SON hub for the front and Rich has recommended Atlas 
rims. As for the rear cassette hub, which would you recommend if money were no 
object (it is, but this a dream build):

White Industries MI5

or

Phil Wood Touring?

Isaac



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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[sameness]

Yeah, I saw that. Same photos, description and inventory number. I'm kinda 
fighting the urge to contact the seller, but I don't want to spook the 
horse. Thinking I'll just wait and see what shows up (or doesn't).

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 8:27:03 AM UTC-7, Drivel wrote:
>
> It was the same bike listed twice and sold twice. Take a look at sold 
> rivendells. 

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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Philip Kim]

I would personally go WI hub. It's durable and it's a great hub. i got one 
on a custom, and it's very well-made.

However, I've never tried a phil hub, but i do remember hearing some issues 
in very freezing temps?

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:38:28 AM UTC-4, Birdman wrote:
>
> So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have 
> lots of fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality sets 
> in 3-4 months from now.
>
> Lately I've been thinking about a wheel set. I'm a big guy at 250lbs and 
> will be riding on pavement, gravel, and dirt roads on short tours with 
> front and rear racks, basket, panniers, etc. The latest plan is to run 50mm 
> Marathon Duremes.  
>
> I have a 36h wide body SON hub for the front and Rich has recommended 
> Atlas rims. As for the rear cassette hub, which would you recommend if 
> money were no object (it is, but this a dream build):
>
> White Industries MI5
>
> or
>
> Phil Wood Touring?
>
> Isaac
>
>

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[RBW] Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Birdman]

So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have lots of 
fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality sets in 3-4 months 
from now.

Lately I've been thinking about a wheel set. I'm a big guy at 250lbs and will 
be riding on pavement, gravel, and dirt roads on short tours with front and 
rear racks, basket, panniers, etc. The latest plan is to run 50mm Marathon 
Duremes.  

I have a 36h wide body SON hub for the front and Rich has recommended Atlas 
rims. As for the rear cassette hub, which would you recommend if money were no 
object (it is, but this a dream build):

White Industries MI5

or

Phil Wood Touring?

Isaac

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[Drivel]

It was the same bike listed twice and sold twice. Take a look at sold 
rivendells. 

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Broccoli Cog]

I agree Jay. I think that hump at the top of the C17 is problematic for me. The 
comments are making me think more about trying a B17

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[RBW] Re: FS: IRD Defiant Compact Road Double Cranks

[Gideon Tsang]

SOLD!

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 4:53:15 PM UTC-5, Gideon Tsang wrote:
>
> These are still available. Correction, 170mm, not the originally stated 
> 172.5 mm.
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:09:05 PM UTC-5, Gideon Tsang wrote:
>>
>> 170 mm. Just a little too long of me. Like new.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Platform Pedal Recommendation for Sam

[Marc Irwin]

I use the MKS Grip King or Lambda pedals on my Sam.   I added spikes and 
think the traction as effective as clipless and cleats.   I used VP on my 
Hunq until the bearings decided to fail in the middle of a 10 day tour. 
 I've since replaced them with MKS so I can service them myself.

Marc

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 11:07:36 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a recommendation for a decent quality, inexpensive (<$40), 
> large platform pedal for my Sam Hillborne. 
>
> I currently run Shimano XT SPD's on my Sam Hillborne but want platform 
> pedals as I'm planning to do some rides along the C canal and fishing the 
> Potomac. For this, I'd like to wear my Keen sandals for biking and fishing.
>
> Now, Keens are known for being quite wide, and at size 12 shoes, I'm 
> taking that to a bit of an extreme. Hence the size of the platforms being 
> wide enough for my shoes is the most important criteria. Smaller, cheap 
> platforms won't work as it always feels like the outside of my feet are 
> unsupported.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
> Austin
>

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Jay Connolly]

I have both Rivet saddles and Brooks saddles. The Rivets are comfortable more 
quickly, IMO, but the Brooks saddles are a little more comfortable in time. I 
tried the Cambium and hated it. I was surprised by the claims that it was 
designed to replicate a B17 in a different material. I'm plenty heavy enough to 
take advantage of the flex in a Cambiu, but it felt like 2x4s to me. 

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I own a ton of Brooks leather saddles and really don't find the B17 hard to 
break in, per se.  In fact, the shape is basically comfortable to me from 
the beginning.  The Brooks Pro is extremely hard and can go a long time 
before any break in at all happens.  I bought a used B17 off of eBay and I 
think the secret is to not have it dimpled with someone else's sit bones 
already impressed.  However, I have read of people who bought well used 
ones and over time the leather simply molds to their body from the previous 
owners.  I also cannot abide with the Cambium.  I'd love to like it but the 
rounded back portion of the saddle doesn't agree with me.   Another saddle 
I like very much is the Berthoud Mente.  It is wide and flat in the back 
with a long and narrow "nose".  Works really well for me.

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 5:57:20 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I was wondering about buying a used B17. I thought the whole idea is that 
> after break in the saddle forms its shape to the riders anatomy. Lets say a 
> rider owns it for a few years and it forms to that individual rider. Is it 
> possible for me to then ride the same saddle and have it adapt to my own 
> shape? Something I have been wondering about. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 3:05:41 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> BC: If you can find a used-not-trashed B17, that's a good (slightly 
>> cheaper) way to find out if it works for you. New ones can take so long to 
>> break in that you might throw in the towel before finding out if it's a 
>> possibility. I'd look for one that's got enough life in it to last a while, 
>> then if it clicks you can start over on a new one later. That C17? Turn it 
>> over and put a plant in it!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[Will Ashe]

Wow, had I seen this listing I would've purchased immediately as well. 
Congrats on the new Cheviot and great deal!

Will Ashe

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 43T, 110 S!LVER chainring

[Wally Estrella]

Yes, thanks.  I was looking for an unramp, unpinned Rivy silver.  Sold out 
per the Riv site.  There are the other 43t available.  I may just go that 
right.  Worth a shot looking for a silver.  Thanks again.

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks Deacon. I have read some of your reviews on the Rivet. My LBS is a 
dealer so I thought I would try them out. I really like the idea of the 
guarantee they offer. That is really appealing when you are taking a chance 
on a $150 saddle. 

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 9:04:38 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Several thoughts:
>
> -- Rivet saddles are great! I love my Diablo, but it is very narrow and 
> likely too narrow for Albatross bars? Also Rivet has a 1 year love it 
> guarantee, refund or exchange. Great to work with.
> -- Next on my list to try when I was in your same dilemma was the Berthoud 
> Aspin, but I loved my Rivet so went no further.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave. Actually know I'm not sure. I thought I would give it a try 
>> though. I am also considering a Rivet Diablo or a SA. Maybe even a leather 
>> Brooks. At this point I am trying not to waste money on a saddle I can't 
>> live with. It's such a dilemma we cyclist face. I may have to just suck it 
>> up and buy something but I wanted to check here first. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a Cambium on my commuter but don't find it as comfortable as a 
>>> Brooks B-17 or a Berthoud Aspin or Mente.  The Cambium feels harder--not 
>>> comfortably so--but I like the weatherproofness of it so give up a little 
>>> comfort for that quality since the distance isn't daunting.  
>>>
>>> Are you sure the saddle width is the issue?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Broccoli Cog]

I was wondering about buying a used B17. I thought the whole idea is that 
after break in the saddle forms its shape to the riders anatomy. Lets say a 
rider owns it for a few years and it forms to that individual rider. Is it 
possible for me to then ride the same saddle and have it adapt to my own 
shape? Something I have been wondering about. 

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 3:05:41 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> BC: If you can find a used-not-trashed B17, that's a good (slightly 
> cheaper) way to find out if it works for you. New ones can take so long to 
> break in that you might throw in the towel before finding out if it's a 
> possibility. I'd look for one that's got enough life in it to last a while, 
> then if it clicks you can start over on a new one later. That C17? Turn it 
> over and put a plant in it!

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[RBW] Re: Sold 60cm on eBay - real? Who bought?

[Daniel D.]

Since we're talking about ones that got away.  Not as great a deal as the OP. 
But mine is a Choco bar orange sam that looked like it just left riv hq, for 
1600 last week.  Mine to turn down and decided the roadini or something similar 
made more sense for me. But feel a little  tinge...

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

[Joe Bernard]

BC: If you can find a used-not-trashed B17, that's a good (slightly cheaper) 
way to find out if it works for you. New ones can take so long to break in that 
you might throw in the towel before finding out if it's a possibility. I'd look 
for one that's got enough life in it to last a while, then if it clicks you can 
start over on a new one later. That C17? Turn it over and put a plant in it!

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