[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

2021-02-01 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch
Each wheel should go into a truing stand to check for distortions and the spokes checked for even tension. Either or both wheels may have undergone twisting and impact forces. Have a bike shop do this along with checking dropout alignment front and rear (which they'll probably do when

[RBW] FS: Riv Sweater (M), SaddleSack (Lg), Trunk Sack and Tube Bar Bag

2021-02-01 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch
For Sale/or WTT for/toward one, or a pair, of Rene Herse Switchback Hill 650x48 tires, regular or EL; Or, a nice 26.8 seat post. Rivendellish things for sale: *> The Rivendell Wool Sweater*, size Medium I’ve tried it on, but not worn it — It is too long, I’d need a small. I got it from a

[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

2021-02-01 Thread Joe Bernard
You're within driving distance so I'd haul it over to RBW for an inspection. They're still doing the distancing thing but they'll grab your bike from you and let you do a lap around the building on a demo while they look at your frame. It's probably find cuz steel, but the damage you describe

[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

2021-02-01 Thread Litho
They did get them and they are facing significant charges. I cracked my helmet in the fall, too! I'm glad it was me and not one of the more casual trail users that got assaulted. On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:39:04 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote: > That's awful! Did they get the kids?

Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

2021-02-01 Thread brendonoid
Again, thank you for sharing your ride photos. It looks so cold I can almost forget it is 40ºC outside... Can I please ask how the Sugarloaf Basketbag handles the wet weather? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

2021-02-01 Thread ascpgh
Wow Jason, you document a strong case of how much a bicycle can connect you with places. The better the places and the better the bike for getting to them really increases the demonstrative power of that connection. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:10:31 PM UTC-5

[RBW] Re: The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Ben Mihovk
I ride in fairly cold conditions...I'm okay down to 15 degrees or so for my commute. I'm not on the bike long enough for the toes to go cold most of the time. On longer rides (15 miles is long for me) in temps in the 20s and 30s, I've found it really hard to keep my toes from getting really

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

2021-02-01 Thread Ed Fausto
Yup, definitely very slick build. Now I understand why I cannot find that same brass pulley with the barrel adjuster :-) On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 2:38:57 AM UTC+8 iamkeith wrote: > Ed, > > Cable hanger is an old Dia Compe for mixtes. Readily available on ebay. > I had to add the

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Shoji Takahashi
I suggest gaiters for winter riding. They keep your pants and shoes cleaner (from road salt+sand of Boston area and similar climates). I think it keeps my feet warmer by keeping my lower legs warmer. I have an old set of OR Gaiters. https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/gaiters Good luck! shoji

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread James / Analog Cycles
Keen winter boots with 400 grams of insulation, wool thigh high socks are good for down to say 20. After that, you need muck boots, wool felt insoles, thick tall wool socks. At zero or below add toe warmers.

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Robert Blunt
Roberta, Hoka makes a pair of gore tex lined winter trainers that are black. I use those with smartwool socks and that covers it for anything in the 30s and above. -Robert Blunt Pennington, NJ On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 1:27 AM Roberta wrote: > Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics

Re: [RBW] Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Sam Perez
I had a similar post. For me I tried so many things , I changed the cassette and chain to eliminate warn variables. I was using a 9s xt deor rear dr that I suspect adds to it also I'd check frame alignment. Those helped although I still experience the occasional ghost shift. Latest theory is

[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

2021-02-01 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
I am so, so sorry this happened to you. I cannot overstate this. So, so sorry for the suffering you surely are experiencing and the grief about your Appaloosa. Shameful behavior on the part of those “kids” and I agree that they need to be held responsible. I honestly don’t know what this world

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh, wool socks and roomy shoes. I ride down to the upper teens, and I've used all sorts of wool socks, from bulky utility socks from Canadian chain stores to wool dress socks; presently REI's generic merino socks that are mid weight but thin enough to fit in my summer bike shoes. Really, though, I

Re: [RBW] Crash Inspection Advice

2021-02-01 Thread Litho
Thank you everyone for the advice. I'm taking it to my local shop for inspection. I just had it painted last year by Rick at D Cycles, so I am more than little bummed out by even the cosmetic stuff. The police are treating this as felony aggravated assault, but these are all minors so I

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

2021-02-01 Thread Christopher Cote
I'm curious to see your NOS Heron Road frame. If it's that wonderful sparkly blue-green color, it would melt my heart to see it again! Chris On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:36:50 AM UTC-5 Ray wrote: > I have to agree with Chris. I was surprised you weren't asking more for > it. It looks

[RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Bill Lindsay
OK one step at a time 1. Do you have one Silver Bar end shifter or two? Do both have a problem or only one? 2. Did you buy these Silver Bar end shifters complete from Rivendell Bicycle Works as bar end shifters? Or did you or somebody else cobble together Silver Downtube shifters onto

Re: [RBW] Re: The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Interesting, because someone else on the boblist recommended nitrile gloves under outer gloves in cold weather; must try this (have box of 100 with ~94 left sitting in my garage). Note though that wool will insulate even if wet; very very different from cotton and even many "wicking" synthetics.

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Pete B
As Patrick says, roomy shoes and air pockets. The other things help -- boots, toe covers, warmers, extra socks. But only if there is space for warm air around my fingers and toes to begin with. Wearing wool tights or pants also helps keep the blood warm on the way to and fro. This winter I've

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

2021-02-01 Thread Mark Roland
Yeah I saw that. It is an attractive build, but, you know, Blue Lug. They can do the black bling. But also, the Susie orange is deeper and richer than the Hubbuh orange, and that makes a big difference. I can certainly admire bikes built with orange and black, just not my thing! On Sunday,

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

2021-02-01 Thread Tom Goodmann
Hi, Chris; I appreciate you writing--guess I should be asking for more for this bike! I won't refuse a higher offer I've advertised it here before, and there was no interest at that time. I've really enjoyed it, but am trying to clear out things in every category in life; I have a Sam (55 with

Re: [RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Bill Lindsay
OK, it came from a shop, not from Rivendell, but we're assuming that it is stuff that's supposed to work together. That's good There is no particular Left vs Right. Either one can serve either role. It's just a matter of whether you want the D-rings on the outside or the inside. Since

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Roberta
All great information. I'll be reading more carefully tonight. For me the turning point from only riding in daylight in warm temps, was getting Dyno lighting and wearing a wind breaker under my jacket. Andy, take care of those fingers (I know you do)! On Monday, February 1, 2021 at

[RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

2021-02-01 Thread Christopher Cote
I have that exact same bike, and even though I rarely ride on the road any more, I wouldn't consider selling mine for twice that price! If you're considering a Sam Hillborne, this is 98% a functional replacement for that bike. Mine fits an honest 38mm tire, with the undimpled chainstays being

Re: [RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Den John
I have a complete set. It's the right hand shifter that's causing the problem. 9 speed. I have a double chainring on the front with a granny gear and a 36t big ring. This is setup to avoid shifting the front derailleur too often, so I don't use the left hand shifter enough to say if it's got a

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

2021-02-01 Thread Mark Roland
Speaking of instagram, my favorite bike related poster right now is niigata0252 . Lots of pics from vintage Japanese mags. Recent post shows a guy riding a drop bar Cunningham, apparently #7. On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:47:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith

Re: [RBW] Crash Inspection Advice

2021-02-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Sorry to hear about the -- not accident, assault. I hope the police look into the crime and that you get full compensation. As a former (happily former!) insurance salesman who himself went through the compensation process back in 2006 after being sideswiped by a car (fortunately just lacerations

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh oh! When you buy gloves, buy them at least 1 and perhaps 2 sizes too big, to keep air pockets at the ends of the fingers when hands are clasped around bar and control surfaces. This really, really makes a huge difference in finger comfort. On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:16 AM Patrick Moore wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

2021-02-01 Thread Ray
I have to agree with Chris. I was surprised you weren't asking more for it. It looks lovely, and I have been considering adding an honest touring bike to my stable (though I certainly don't need another bike). Do you mind if I ask where you are located? Ray On Monday, February 1, 2021 at

[RBW] Re: The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Garth
Some thicker and/or warmer socks will surely help with the warmth Roberta, if you have the room of course ! Your leather sneakers are great for blocking the wind. The plastic bag thing works well enough but I found I don't like having my entire foot wrapped in plastic, it's too slippery and

[RBW] Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Den John
Hello RBWers, I've been having problems with a set of older type RBW Silver bar end shifters. There seems to be a lot of play in the shifters. They've been like this out of the box. They also slip a bit in the middle sprockets, ghost shifting from the bigger to smaller sprocket. Tightening

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Jason Fuller
I find that my Blundstones (double layer model) with cotton socks are good to about 35F, and then if I wear wool socks they're good to 25F. They're surprisingly water resistant too, takes at least an hour of steady rain before my feet start to get wet, and even then they never end up soaked.

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Will Boericke
They are an older model of Shimano shoes. The current version has some name like MW7. Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar. The collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going strong. I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold weather

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

2021-02-01 Thread Tom Goodmann
HI, Ray; I should have included my location; I'll edit my post. I'm in Miami in zip code 33155. As I said, a while back I posted this bike for a slightly higher price and there was no interest in it. Things change! Well, I'll be happy if it goes to an appreciative new owner, and this is the best

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter bike shoes? Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, NM On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke wrote: > Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, > bike-wise.

[RBW] Re: Gus Rear Fender Install Help/Suggestions

2021-02-01 Thread Ed Fausto
Hi RDS, Were you able to install fenders on your Gus? What size are those tires? Ed On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 10:08:54 PM UTC+8 RDS wrote: > What is the best way to install the rear fender on the Gus (see pic). I > purchased some SKS Bluemels. If another type of fender will work

Re: [RBW] Re: Thanks and shout out to LBS

2021-02-01 Thread Ryan Stanis
Hey Adam, thanks for giving me the opportunity to build your bike for you! An absolute pleasure. So glad to hear you enjoyed your inaugural ride. As a mechanic and fellow Riv owner nothing warms my heart more. -Ryan 1/5 of Keystone Bicycle Co. On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:26 PM Mark Roland

Re: [RBW] Mixte vs Diamond Frame

2021-02-01 Thread Leslie Tierstein
Glad to hear it. A friend has a mixte and it had bottle mounts. I guess because my mixte had a non-standard tube it didn’t. It was an older Austro Daimler. I’ll see if I can find a picture - just lent the bike to a friend. > On Jan 28, 2021, at 5:38 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! > wrote: > >

[RBW] Re: WTB: Large Sackville Saddle Bag or Something Similar

2021-02-01 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch
Hey Carlos, See my FS: posting from about 23 hours ago. I have one in green. Here's the description for that: "> *Large Rivendell Saddlesack* in Olive green — Some links: Sackville SaddleSack Large - Tan

[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis MIT 53cm 650B in Lovely Condition — 2018 Edition

2021-02-01 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Paul for helping me back on a Rivendell. Hugh On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:50:07 AM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote: > Hello Everyone! This frame is still available. I'm probably going to put > it up on eBay soon, but figured I'd give the forum a last chance in case > anyone is

[RBW] WTB: MKS Urban Platform Pedals

2021-02-01 Thread John Bokman
Any Rivsters out there who tried, and decided to pass on these and are willing to let them go (not too dear)? I'm growing tired of my VP VICE digging hell out of my shoes, and find the platform is larger than I really need. Also, I've had significant durability issues with the bearings, so am

Re: [RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Nat Lichten
Hi Johnny, No solutions to suggest, but I had the same irritating issue with a rear Riv silver shifter running 9 spd shimano mtn rear derailleurs. For me tightening the thumb screw that held the shifter did help somewhat, but only temporarily. I was going to try some loctite, but passed the bike

[RBW] WTB: Large Sackville Saddle Bag or Something Similar

2021-02-01 Thread reca...@gmail.com
Hello All, Looking to buy a Sackville Baggabond or large Sackville saddle bag. I am also open to any other large capacity saddle or handlebar bag. Let me know if anyone has anything they would like to sell. I am pretty open in terms of color but would like a large capacity bag. Thanks! Carlos

[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Build

2021-02-01 Thread Ed Fausto
Hi Laing, That is definitely a very premium build. How do you find the Crust Ti LD stem? is this the raw finish? I am looking for ways to have my handlebar higher than my seat on my 51 Gus. Right now my steering tube is still uncut and using a 70m Nitto UI-21 stem with Nitto Choco norm

Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

2021-02-01 Thread Andrew Stevens
Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. The Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top tube (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to spread

[RBW] WTB: 62 Hillborne Canti -black

2021-02-01 Thread rusty miller
Long shot, looking for a 62 Hillborne in Black. Preferably a Canti version. Got one for the wife a few years back and she loves it, always wanted one too (and she wants to match!), but missed out on the black ones when they were available, and the newest run went too quick. Let me know,

[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2021-02-01 Thread Mike Godwin
Riding on Pinehurst always put a smile on my face. Here Prefumo Cyn Rd to Avila is pretty close, sans redwoods. Mike SLO CA On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 3:13:05 PM UTC-8 Kurt Manley wrote: > Today's rainy ride on Pinehurst Rd. in the tiny town of Canyon, CA. Just > over the hill from

[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

2021-02-01 Thread Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA
I'm glad you came out more or less OK. It sucks that you need surgery to repair your body, and I hope that the injury is at least on a less important finger on your non-dominant hand. As for the bike, I'll just ask for a new bike if yours was in good shape before the crash. The frame is

Re: [RBW] Re: Widest tire fit on Homer Hilsen?

2021-02-01 Thread Ben Miller
I had an early Waterford AHH size 65. It maxed out at 38x700c tyres. In fact, I ended up parting ways with it because of that. I did really try to get Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads to fit, but it wasn't even close. I think I would have kept to if could have. The problem was the seats stays

Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts

2021-02-01 Thread Ryan Nute
No difference that I can tell! Ryan From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com on behalf of Robert Blunt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:29 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts I had a 55 or 57 bleriot

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

2021-02-01 Thread iamkeith
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote: > > What rims are you running on the Susie? > Weston, good question. I used Nimbus Dominator II rims. They're unicycle rims. On paper they sound heavy at 900g but, in hand, they feel remarkably light for something so

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread William deRosset
>Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter bike shoes? Dear Patrick, Not directed to me, and I have an answer: Assuming you use SPD pedals, I recommend Lake MXZ304s. Not inexpensive. I actually own the now-discontinued MXZ303, which differs very slightly from

[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L Complete (64cm)

2021-02-01 Thread Reid Echols
Clem is sold, folks. Thanks for the kind words and interest. Now to build up this new (to me) Ram... On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 7:11:13 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote: > It is indeed amazing. And I believe the Clem L is no longer offered in > this mega size. You could cut it up and reassemble

Re: [RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Den John
I didn't swap the levers from one side to the other. There's no reason not to try it I suppose, just never got round to it. In any case, both levers, left and right, seem to have a lot of lateral play in them. Like about a mm or more at the pod where the lever bolts on. I have tightened the D

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Will Boericke
Will deR, Can you tell me about the fit of the Lakes? I like to get a little big for a winter shoe, but not sure how their fit compares to normal bike shoes. My Shimanos are 44, Sidis are 43. I'm generally a solid 9 1/2, with average width feet. Thanks! Other Will, near Boston On Mon, Feb 1,

Re: [RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Joe Bernard
It can't hurt to grab the new harder plastic washers Riv sells for these but yeah, there's some play in them that never goes away. The washers may solve the 'slipping in gear' part though, that's what matters in my opinion. On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:57:05 PM UTC-8 john...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

2021-02-01 Thread Jason Fuller
Brendon - 40C?! I assume you're in Australia or similarly southern hemisphere? That's tough to ride in. This day was about 6 or 7C, and I'll take that over 40 any day! This model Sugarloaf is the waxed canvas model they did when they first released the bag (2016 sometime) and I haven't

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Patrick Moore
A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of running outside in

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread rltilley
I wear sandals when it’s wet/cold. I use Sealskinz waterproof socks with however many layer of wool socks I need underneath. My feet do sweat but they are warm. I have not SPD sandals and standard sandals depending on the bike I grab. Sandals are good because they have enough adjustability to

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Will Boericke
Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, bike-wise. Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger. Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 degrees yesterday, no problem. On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: > A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

2021-02-01 Thread Jason Fuller
Simworks/Honjo Flat 80's would definitely be my choice. With a little stay bending, you can easily fit 2.8 or 3.0's under them and they'll look the part! On Monday, 1 February 2021 at 08:17:44 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote: > Speaking of instagram, my favorite bike related poster right now is >

[RBW] Re: Widest tire fit on Homer Hilsen?

2021-02-01 Thread Paul Richardson
I successfully ran 43mm GravelKing SK+, but only very briefly. Personally I like the bike best with 38mm Rene Herse or good ol' 33mm Jack Browns. Mine's a 2011 Waterford. paul takoma park, md. On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 5:02:58 PM UTC-5 Sean Cleary wrote: > Hey gang, what 700C tires

Re: [RBW] Re: Widest tire fit on Homer Hilsen?

2021-02-01 Thread Michael Williams
I used to have a Waterford Homer. Not sure of the year. I ran 45c WTB Riddlers and 43c Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads. Both sets: front and rear. Not sure you could fender those tires though. Soma Cazadero in 42s are nice as well. These tires all lean towards gravel/ dirt oriented.

[RBW] Widest tire fit on Homer Hilsen?

2021-02-01 Thread Sean Cleary
Hey gang, what 700C tires above 40mm have you had success with on previous generation (2013) A. Homer Hilsen? Confusing what exactly fits per Rivbike. Have really enjoyed GravelKing Slick Plus 35mm on smooth gravel and pavement but that's the max width in that non-knobby tread pattern. Want to

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

2021-02-01 Thread Robert Hakim
An interesting tidbit that I just learned about today from a telemark skiing forum: Capsaicin cream on your feet under socks. Theoretically the capsaicin will help dilate blood vessels, increasing blood flow and warming those toes. Maybe a bit of a 'warming' effect from the effects of the

[RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread John P. in SF
HI I have had maybe 6 pairs of silvers over the years and not all of them slipped, used both as bar end and as dt shifters. I have solved some of my silver shifter slipping problems by placing a thin slice of beeswax in between all the various parts and reassembling. I have only had

Re: [RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

2021-02-01 Thread Den John
Thanks, the beeswax is an interesting idea. I'll give that a try. (BTW, any idea if beeswax is a good substitute for anti-seize? I have had a tube of Shimano anti-seize that's lasted me about 6 years but it's starting to run out). I'll also see if any of my other shifters have metal washers. I