I wrote a big, long response sharing my personal experiences with moving to
new tech related to bikes and cars, but in the end, I came to the same
place...
Why not? Disc brakes are good. Maybe they they don't have the character
or aesthetics of our beloved rim brakes, but they are good, even
Just to be clear, and I'm starting to regret bringing up this phrase in the
first place, a line in the sand is not a brand or marketing distinction.
Obviously Rivendell is not The Bicycle Company Without Discs Ever Since
1994. And no, if they made a disc bike I wouldn't look at it as selling
Lines drawn in the sand don't lead to anything; they are something.
Specialized was used to make the point that if you wander past your line in
the sand one too many times, you can become just another generic bicycle
company. Because it does not make sense to you where someone else decides
to
I volunteer to pick up that torch in a few months when the Bimoz motor for
my MTBubbe comes in.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 9:29:19 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Hey, it could be worse, Mark. I could still be going on about Rivs with
> electric motors ;-)
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Thanks, Wards!
Very interesting to read about the repairs and how the ride differs from the
Hilsen.
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Well, technically, my custom only has one original color. So yes, I bought one
of every color.
OK, it was a sunny 75 degrees here in Silicon Valley today. I should had gone
riding.
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Hey, it could be worse, Mark. I could still be going on about Rivs with
electric motors ;-)
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Nope, but I’ve paid extra for a custom color on my Roadeo.
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I would really like a 60cm Saluki with Roadeo/Legolas tubing.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 12:21:26 AM UTC-8, drew wrote:
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> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly topic
> creation. I’ve owned 2 sams, a hunq, Clem and Atlantis. Down to just an
> Atlantis now and
Agreed, which is how I talked myself into a disc Riv dirt bike. I can't see
discs on any other models.
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I have a 65 cm Rambouillet that I bought from the original owner about 4 years
ago. The previous owner said that the chain stay dropout had broken and that
it had been repaired by Rivendell and that they had repainted the entire frame
including the fork at that time. The bikes wheelset and
Sure, and that’s a valid reason (I’m playing devil’s advocate myself for the
aforementioned reasons), but it’s not a line in the sand. Especially for road
and all rounder style bikes. That’s a totally valid point of view.
If we are talking hunqapillar/mountainy/plus bike (which I thought we
I don't exactly know my PBH, but my saddle is usually set around 74, so I
can infer that I'm a centimeter or two shy of 87. I' am five ten. I am
very happy with this size for me, although recently having spent some time
on my friend's 55cm Cheviot, I would go 59 with that bike. I would think
Drew, to play devil's advocate for why Grant would tell me discs are a no go, I
don't think he's thrilled with the stresses the front one puts into the fork.
For someone who's invested so much of his design ethos into a lovely, slender
fork, I can see why this would concern him.
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Id ask what the line in the sand leads to? I’d like to think that Rivendell is
smart enough and creative enough to own a minor mechanical change and figure
out a way to make it fit with their brand.
Somehow crust and bmc and many others have been able to remain unique while
embracing all
I know it's undertaken in a helpful spirit, Joe. You must cut me some
slack, as I am of the opinion that our modern civilization truly went off
the rails when the telephone climbed down off the kitchen wall. If you
start advocating for chainsaws, that will be another story. (I will say
that a
The Surly may be similar to the original Jones, but not the current Loop. Loop
has hand positions near the stem and far forward, as well as the standard grip
position on the ends. There's any number of cheaper bars out there if you just
want the ends position.
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Also, the question isn't whether folks think a disc Riv is acceptable. The
question is if anybody wants one, thereby presuming they would buy it. The
answer is yes.
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Rustoleum is your friend, Mr. Fong. Less than 10 bucks a can, and a matter
of hours. Just remember, ventilation is your friend.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:14:05 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Just wondering if anyone here has done that.
> I think about doing that sometimes. But that
Well Mark, this thread is an offshoot of the one asking about potential Rivs
which don't exist, so that's the spirit of Hunqadiscer. And yes, I would think
it would originate from one of the youngsters as Clem did. That's why I brought
it up with Roman instead of Grant, who'd rather have a hole
Erl, from my limited experience with Orange Sealant in tubes, this is exactly
the situation Patrick of the Moore’s tube goop system works for. All you need
to buy is tubes with removable valve cores (if yours aren’t already), a valve
core remover tool, and the Orange Sealant. No mess installing
I think I said this some time ago in one of the previous disc-ussions, but
I would think if RBW were to go in this direction, it might be with a
design from one of the non-Grant designers at the company, who have been
working on the Rosco projects.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 10:28:56 PM
Gotta keep the forum alive!!! :)
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Drew wrote: *It seems unnecessarily stubborn to completely rule out
another way of stopping a bike. I mean that’s all it is. How a bike stops
shouldn’t be integral to anyone’s being.*
You are so right. And you know, making a bicycle out of carbon fiber or
aluminum or bamboo is just another
Alternatively, you might consider a much cheaper option to try the Surly
Open Bar ( https://surlybikes.com/parts/handlebars/open_bar ) I
installed one on my Clem and really like it. It's very similar to the
original Jones bar in sweep angle and length but with 25.4 clamp diameter.
I
Alex wins this thread, IMHO.
Me? I could go for a Roadeo with the clearance of the Atlantis. But I guess the
Legolas sorta covers that...
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+1 on forks. I’d buy an Atlantis or hunq fork immediately and have someone
braze disc tabs on it right away. I know it’s weird, but I want a canti fork
and a disc fork.
(Also, if anyone has any recommendations for a custom builder who can make a
1in threaded disc fork that is otherwise
My son and I plan on riding several of the country's (USA) railtrails this
summer, including the Cowboy Trail in Nebraska.
http://www.bikecowboytrail.com/default.aspx
Previous riders of this trail have reported in online journals that there are
thorns and "goatheads" in several sections that
This all reminds me of a story my dear old uncle Lewy used to regale me
with when I was a lad.* The story tells of a prince who wants to marry a
princess, but is having difficulty finding a suitable wife. Something is
always wrong with those he meets, and he cannot be certain they are *real*
Does Argo Cargo bike not fit your #1?
https://argobikes.com
-J
On Feb 3, 2018, 6:42 PM -0800, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles
<4824...@gmail.com>, wrote:
> Wish list:
>
> 1. Clem style modular bakfiets attachment. Drop your fork, plug in your cargo
> front end w/ 20" wheel & front
Wish list:
1. Clem style modular bakfiets attachment. Drop your fork, plug in your cargo
front end w/ 20" wheel & front brake cable ready to go Room for 2.5" tires.
2. 650b (26 for smalls) Homer on steroids with light tubing, canti, room for
2.0's & fenders I'd love a 63cm c-t level top
A Cheviot with v-brakes as several have already mentioned. And in that nice
dark green they once came in. Sidepulls just don't work for me in the wet
winters here.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 12:21:26 AM UTC-8, drew wrote:
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> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly
I can verify that the geo chart is wrong. When I was deciding between a 56
Atlantis and 56 hunq, I asked will for various measurements and the numbers he
gave me were different than the geo chart.
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Middle of seatpost horizontal to middle of headtube. It's just about impossible
to get it right without the post in there.
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Thanks all! Sweet bikes. Got a grilver 59 clem h today and can't wait to
play around with diff bars. The VO threadless stem adapter + stem with
removable faceplate is a smart-lookin solution.
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Hey,
The 52 and 59 Clem L's sizing overlaps quite a bit. Does anyone out there
with a 52 Clem L and an 87-88 PBH wish they'd gotten a 59? Or vice-versa?
My wife is considering one. We'll talk with the Riv folks, but I'd love to
hear of any experience you all have if you're in the same PBH
Ah. Perfect. I knew there had to be something like that out there
somewhere but, until now, was too lazy to track it down. I'll shoot VO an
order in the morning.
Many thanks,
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:00:14 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
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> Velo orange
If I measure from the front of the head tube, I get 61.5...I was under the
impression that the measurement was from the middle of the head tube.. as I
mentioned,I might be doing it all wrong. I aplogize for my ignorance and for
taking this thread hostage. :)
Stephen
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Joe,
That measures 56.
Stephen
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What's the measurement from BB center to top of seattube? Your bike sounds like
it's a size smaller than 56.
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I don't really have an interest in disc brakes but a tig welded Hunqapillar
clone in the clem frameset price range would make me a happy man.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:30:33 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Now that I've conjured up my future-Riv on the "what type of bike" thread
>
Nae such thin’ as bad weather, only bad clothing. Grin.
With abandon,
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If Riv did a Scapegoat-ish plus bike, that'd be a disc bike, wouldn't it? I
think so, for practical reasons and intended use. The Hubbuh tandem has a disc
mount for a drag brake, so it's not like Riv is morally opposed to the
technology.
FWIW, I get one finger braking with good modulation
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 5:19:36 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> ... The fact that they spec bikes with parts that could have been found 30
> years ago is what makes them endearing.
>
>
^ This is true. However, because I'm the kind of guy who will only buy a
bike that I
Okay Lum, I don't care how cold it is in Maryland, you need to go for a ride.
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Isn’t that the clem?
Sky in new west
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 5:11 PM, nash5...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Something like a hunq but with the price point of a clem. That would do it
> for me.
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John,
It fits well, I have Albatross bars with a 12mm stem...now, the chart says
the TT is 61.5 except I measured it and I come up with 59...also, the SO was
measured by Riv when they built it up (with full 2.4 inch Schwalbe Super Moto X
tires) and it came to 83.6 which doesn't match the
As I understand it, John, sloped top tubes, which can accomidate a wider range
of riders due to standover height (but may require shifts in saddle, stem, and
handlebar positions/sized to dial in fit), read a smaller size but fit larger.
I ride a 62cm Hunqapillar and a 66 Quickbeam. Their main
Something like a hunq but with the price point of a clem. That would do it for
me.
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Ann, I already acquired a Clem H and am considering a handlebar swap. Thanks
for the feedback.
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I'd love to try it, Brad.
Let me know, thanks!!!
=- Joe
On 2/3/18, Brad wrote:
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No. But that is my new Lotto fantasy.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 6:14:05 PM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Just wondering if anyone here has done that.
> I think about doing that sometimes. But that would be a tremendous amount
> of money. Maybe over the years...
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I’m not the OP, but this is where I think potential new Riv riders like myself
get confused. “Well, you’re a 53 in x frames. A 55 in Y. You’d be a 57 in Z but
you could also do a 59.” *Runs to geo chart*.
MountNormal, I’m curious — how does that 56 fit with its 61cm effective top
tube? What
Have you ever entered a competition for most new threads on a forum?
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I'm not proposing a hydro Riv, that's a swap I would make myself at home. A
Hunqadiscer would come with the same levers, cranks and derailers as any other
trail-ready Riv, it would just have mechanical discs instead of rim brakes.
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Right On!!! Better description than my recent post. I have the
damn hearts on my Gomez and Wilbury
Charlie
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 3:30:23 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
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> I like the wide-tire, canti, lugged, mountain mixte idea. Replace hearts
> on lugs with
A Mountain Mixte with room for wide tires (3 inches) and 26 inch wheels in
the smaller sizes. (I'm short and old.)
The North American Handmade Bicycle Show is 20 miles away from me in a few
weeks and I'm really thinking about attending and talking to builders about
such a bike.
Charlie in
I've been envisioning a Custom lately.
It'd basically be a Rambouillet/Roadeo with room for 700cx32 tires *with*
fenders, and AHH-style braze-ons for front and rear Mark's racks.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:21:26 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
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> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all this info. New to this so not sure I'm posting in the right
place but thanks to Coal and Kainalu too!
What a bummer! I actually got the Tubus to replace a Hebie front pannier
rack I was running. It was fine great and sat level, and it did me well for
a long trip in
I don't feel Riv would be Riv with discs. Are they going to spec XT hydros
with an Altus mech? Are you going to build a full 1x11 XT Hunqa? That
just doesn't seem Riv to me. The fact that they spec bikes with parts
that could have been found 30 years ago is what makes them endearing. They
Just wondering if anyone here has done that.
I think about doing that sometimes. But that would be a tremendous amount of
money. Maybe over the years...
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Velo orange now makes a quill stem with a 31.8mmm bar clamp and a removable
faceplate. That is what I used to mount the Loop bars on my Clem. As Joe said,
the other way to do it would be a threadless stem on a quill to threadless
adapter.
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The gear calculator is an excellent place to answer my question, Kai. Thanks.
My switch from a 40t chainring to 44t (4.7-5.1, or an increase of .4 gain
ratio) was roughly the same as the difference in gain ratio difference betrween
165 to 175 (5.1-5.4, or an increase of .3 gain ratio). In other
That's how I spec'd my Atlantis when I converted it to discs. Feels very
Rivendellian in terms of maintenance, setup and fussy-ness. I think it
looks Rivendellian too – in so far as most folks don't even notice.
William
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 3:45:53 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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>
I would love a cargo/family hauler. Something like a Yuba crossed with a Clem
L. I have turned my Joe into a similar bike.
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You're right, Bill, I assumed hydros were more expensive. But mechanicals can -
as you say - use regular levers and cables, so that's how I see a disc Riv
being spec'd.
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The argument that a hypothetical mechanical disc Riv would be cheaper appears
to be built on the fallacy that mechanical disc brakes are less expensive than
hydraulic disc brakes. They are not. Hydraulic disc brakes are super cheap and
super awesome. Mechanical discs are for people who have a
You and me both, Joe! Grin.
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Doug:
I have an Appaloosa and I absolutely love it. I, too, debated between a
Clem and an Appaloosa. But the lugs and head badge also sold me on the
Appaloosa. It will do well as a mountain bike.
As far as head badges, in my (biased) opinion, I rate first: Hungapillar
(coolest badge
>From Sheldon in his essoteric gain ration post:
>http://sheldonbrown.com/gain.html
All things being otherwise equal ... “If the mountain bike has 175's and the
road bike 170's, the gear on the mountain bike is really about 3% lower!”
So, there is a 3% loss of power dropping from 175 to 170,
Wouldn't that be a Frank Jones Sr?
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I've been running RTPs, Snoqs, Barlows, and Stampedes, all EL, on a gamut of
surfaces in Massachusetts, urban and rural. It's been a happy experience, few
flats, no sidewall damage over thousands of miles. These tires make any bike
better. To get the best out of them, keep your pressures
I've an Atlantis and am very pleased with that, however... I really enjoy
fixed riding, on and off road. I'd be hard-pressed to turn down a
fixed-gear specific (front brake only), wide-tire clearance Riv frame. Kind
of like a quickbeam, I suppose...
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 12:21:26 AM
The difference between a Samuel Hillborne and a hypothetical lugged Roadini is
what? Maybe former to eight ounces in the scale? Do a light build on a Sam
and Bob’s your uncle.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca.
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I'm selling one of those long sleeve wool jerseys made by Woolistic. Grey
with red, black, and green stripes on the torso, neck, and wrists (like
this one
Kevin, if you zoom in on my Clem you can see that black threadless stem (I know
it's ugly, I replaced with a nice shiney Thomson) mounted on top of a
Velo-Orange quill adapter. It's this thing:
https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-threadless-stem-adaptor
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A Roadeo made in Taiwan, priced like a Sam or Cheviot. Or a lugged Roadini.
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What can I say, Patrick, I'm a happy customer who always wants more Riv stuff.
Sometimes I'm annoying about it!
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Very nice. And you have a beautiful bike :)
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I do love the tuxedo Sam's :}
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4.8 versus 5.1 gain ratio is the leap between 165 and 175 with a 38x16.
Obviously no change in gear inches, but more push needed to get those
inches.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 5:51:03 PM UTC-5, Kainalu V. wrote:
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> I've got a lot of experience using levers, and I always like to use
I've been looking at the Loop for my Hunqapillar, but can't figure out how
to get it onto a quill stem. I'm assuming you can't do that for a Loop,
but how did you guys replace your stems with threadless ones?
Thanks,
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:07:01 PM
I've got a lot of experience using levers, and I always like to use the
longest lever I can that will fit within the confines of the job needing
doing. Sounds like you need a shorter lever to stay within the confines of
the job you need doing, but it'll cost you leverage. Sheldon uses crank arm
I want a [rosco] mountain mixte in my size to be my ultimate utilitarian
city bike that I can ride far and load up and camp with (I was in between
sizes at 89.5pbh with short arms, so, like, a 58cm with no more than 60cm
virtual top tube). I'd junk it up visually but in a way I like (call it
Yes I would.
I tried to avoid disc talk in the other thread because I know how these
conversations devolve and it seems like it definitely won’t happen.
That said, I think Rivendell is needlessly eliminating a huge market by not at
least being open to discs. A market that you can see others
This is an addition to my previous reply in this thread.
I've ridden the same local mtb trails on my cyclocross bike (carbon Kona
Jake the Snake), my Santa Cruz Hightower, and my Niner Sir9 and they all
offer a different experience...I would think a Rivendell Hunqadiscer would
offer a
Thanks, Jeff. Yes, there is a lot to bike handling in addition to front fork.
Grin. I also agree with you that a Grant designed disk brake bike would ride
better than most all disk brake bikes. But would the change be more than Grant
is willing to do? Only one person can answer that question.
I'm with Lum on a 650B Roadeo, but give me V brakes, and in dark Burgundy,
please.
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Canti, 650b Roadeo
>
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Jeremy,
Your CLEM is awesome!
Ryan
Arlington, VA
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On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Jeff said: “In general, front forks for discs appear more stout than many
> boutique brand front forks that strive for a french style bend, but there's
> plenty that are on par with mid-tier commodity Surly and
Joe said: “Btw, Grant is going to strangle me for badgering him about discs
again. Sorry, Grant! ”
And after he helped you get a grip (or two) too! Grin. Ducking now.
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Now that Homers are made to order and can do custom requests, I can pretty much
do it (except for the $$). It'd be a Homer with canti posts and (if I can get
them to do it) a threadless fork, painted grilver.
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Probably true enough for 'full time custom builders' - the nice part is
that this is not true for all custom builders.
Only a few of these things you list are true, others are assumptions and
just plain false
On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 10:04:47 AM UTC-6, phil k wrote:
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> yes, prices went up
Makes sense, Joe. Thanks for explaining it for me. One could make the opposite
arguement: that clear communication and phylosophy shapping Rivendell’s bikes’
quality ride on tried and true parts in a declining market raises one above the
noise of the big guys whose strategy is far too often
i havent emailed riv yet - anyone know when these are actually shipping?
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Here's my Clem w/ Jones loops:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZbygMVlv_a/
If you search around you can find my comments on them in other threads
(including the current one about Clems and Appas as MTBs), but the short answer
is they're awesome.
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Btw, Grant is going to strangle me for badgering him about discs again. Sorry,
Grant!
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That is exactly what I use my Clem for. Here's a picture of the most recent
configuration, with Jones loop bars, taken on my go-to MTB ride, the Foresthill
Divide Loop in Auburn, CA:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZbygMVlv_a/
I've ridden the same loop on all types of hardtail and full
Does anyone have a Riv Reader #37 they are willing to sell? I'm looking
for one.
Steve
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Both my Hunqapillar and Quickbeam have 175mm crank arms. Pedal strikes have
been a non-issue on the roads, but I’ve had a few, slow and inconsequential,
strikes on the trails. Those of you with experience (not speculation, but
actual riding experience): could you please help me understand the
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