[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

Btw, I know this is supposed to be a dropbar bike with more seatpost showing, 
but I highly recommend sizing up and putting sweepy-back bars on for that path 
racer vibe. Do I have standover clearance? Pfft, no way. It's light and will 
never have big racks and bags on it, so it's no big deal to tip it sideways for 
on/off. 

I'm not saying it's the "better" way to size and outfit a Roadini, I'm just 
saying don't get too locked into "it's a road bike" and miss out if that phrase 
doesn't fit you. It's light, zippy-yet-stable, great name, great headbadge, and 
now in a fabulous orange. It's just a great bike, and cheap!

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[RBW] Stuff FS: Paul levers, Water Bottle Cages, and lots more

[Kiley Demond]

 Spirit of the Sale: Nothing I am selling is in anything less than 
excellent condition unless noted. Shipping will be between reasonable and 
free, if you buy enough stuff. There are photos of most of the items in 
this album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8RNijtz6RDEDNo46 (embedded link tool 
not working). I have more items to add and will update this post, but I 
gotta get this going Please PM me with questions. I parlez Paypal. 
-Kiley

*Parts*

Tektro R559, side pull bolt on $50

Paul Love Levers, short pull, polished some discoloration on right brake, 
$100

Rear derailleur, Shimano Deore M591, $28

Rear derailleur, Shimano Sora $18

Front derailleur, Shimano Claris, FD 2400 $10

Front derailleur, Shimano Tiagra FD R453, 9-speed triple, $25 

 

*Accessories*

Soma Emergency Stash Bottle, large $5

Cage Rocket stash box, $5

Velo Orange Retro Cage, no tab $12

Velo Orange Mojave Water Cage $24

Velo Orange Handlebar mount for cage $3

King Cage Stainless $14

Elite black steel cage, mild wear, $5

Planet black matte black aluminum cage, $2

Lixada blue aluminum handlebar cage mount adapter (for 31.6mm bars or 
similar seatposts), $8

Nitto Large rear rack 33R $150

Bosch tail light adapter $5

SKS Fenders B65, fenders only, never installed $20

Rixen & Kaul Klickfix Adapter $10

Baskets, $5 ea (Detours uses the adapter), Avenir (own adapter included), 
and two vintage Eastpak (hangers included)

German rear view mirror $15

NiteIze black rubber handlebar phone holder $5

Kickstand, $5

Abus frame lock $25

Axa frame lock, $25

Cordo dog basket, $25

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[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

LGF: It's certainly lighter/snappier than my Clem, as it should be, they're 
completely different bikes. 

Of the Rivs I've owned Roadini is most like Romulus, Ram, and Saluki/AHH. It 
compares favorably as a road bike to the Cheviot, too, although that bike's 
longer wheelbase and mixte look give it such a singular personality that my 
brain didn't record it as "road bike". Which probably only makes sense in MY 
brain..

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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Lum Gim Fong]

My limit on my VO Rando rack is filling up my GBerthoud GB25 bag. I don’t add 
more than thst as I was told that the VO rando is ok up to maybe 15lbs iirc. 
BTW Those Bertie bags are heavy even empty.
My GB 25 is with Nitto for Pearl stems decaleur bar attachment on bag, no 
stiffner- 604g Hea-vy!!!

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[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[Lum Gim Fong]

Does it feel snappier than your other Rivs?
Easier to pedal on down the road?

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[RBW] Re: New Member Introduction

[Ash]

Welcome to the group Pat!

Bay area here as well (south bay, to be precise).  Also a proud owner of 
2017 Appaloosa!
 

On Wednesday, 15 August 2018 17:39:14 UTC-7, patrick ryan wrote:
>
> Hello-
> Patrick Ryan here, new guy.  I have been lurking for about a month, 
> enjoying the conversations and learning about the bikes.  I have a Bleriot 
> (which I need to sell) and a Joe Appaloosa (which I will keep forever).  I 
> currently live in the Bay Area, but will move to San Diego at the end of 
> this month.  Thanks to all for all of the great insights.
> Best regards,
> Pat
>

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Headtube Sizes?

[sameness]

Glad you got that 62, John! 

I must say, that was the most perfectly appointed second hand bike I've 
ever had my hands on. Literally nothing to change except maaaybe the tires.

Alas, I've been in idle negotiations for two of 'em, but neither one 
totally did it for me.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 6:27:52 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
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> Jeff’s sharp eye for Quickbeam headtubes is how I ended up with my 62. 
> Jeff, did you ever get a 60?

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[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Rich! I gotta get a pic of them both together, they look amazing side 
by side. 

Btw, here's a secret: I like solid-color paint better than creamy headtubes. 
Gasp!  

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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[RichS]

Jeremy, my rack/basket/Shop Sack use mirrors yours to a T. It's such a 
perfect setup for most of my rides. 

If I recall, the Mark's Rack is rated by Nitto for a capacity of five 
pounds. The heavy stuff goes in the rear bag.

Best,
Rich in ATL  

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>
> I've become a front-rack-and-basket devotee over the past couple of years, 
> and the Medium Shop Sack has become my go-to commuting bag; it's definitely 
> the most convenient setup I've used.  My daily commuting load is pretty 
> light, but occasionally I'll stop for groceries or beer on the way home, 
> and I'm probably well past the stated limits then.  In that case, the ride 
> home is generally short and paved.  If I'm using the basket on a longer 
> ride or off-road, I try to keep the load light: extra clothes, generally.  
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 4:16:51 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Apparently enough crazies are overloading their Wald baskets on Nitto 
>> racks, breaking them and suing over it that now Nitto is saying "no 
>> baskets".  Rivendell cares what Nitto says, and so Grant posted on the 
>> Blahg that we shouldn't run baskets.  There have been other vendors 
>> claiming Nitto Racks carry a lot more weight than Nitto themselves claim.  
>> Some gullible people think that means that racks from other vendors are 
>> 'stronger' than the ones you buy from Rivendell.  The fact is, a failed 
>> front rack is a big problem, and conservative recommendations are intended 
>> to protect your head, even if that discourages you from buying something:
>>
>> GRANTS BLAHG 
>> 
>>
>> Be careful out there.  Use your Manny strap.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[RichS]

Looks like a fun ride Joe. Congratulations! Keep the Clem. Keep the 
Roadini. You've got it all covered.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:12:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> You can put some weight on 'over' because it's not blue. I've determined 
> that blue bikes just don't do it for me, I always end up selling them 
> within 6 months. We'll see!

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My Paul Touring for your Mini Motos

[Eric Karnes]

Traded.

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 11:21:18 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi guys-
>
> I have a pair of lightly used silver Paul Touring cantis. Looking to trade 
> for a set of Paul Mini Motos (silver or black). PM me if interested...
>
> Eric
>

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Headtube Sizes?

[John G.]

Jeff’s sharp eye for Quickbeam headtubes is how I ended up with my 62. Jeff, 
did you ever get a 60?

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Re: [RBW] New Member Introduction

[Patrick Moore]

Welcome. Are you Patrick #3, or are there more of us?

Patrick Moore, who ordered his first Rivendell in 1994.


On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 6:31 PM, patrick ryan 
wrote:

> Hello-
> Patrick Ryan here, new guy.  I have been lurking for about a month,
> enjoying the conversations and learning about the bikes.  I have a Bleriot
> (which I need to sell) and a Joe Appaloosa (which I will keep forever).  I
> currently live in the Bay Area, but will move to San Diego at the end of
> this month.  Thanks to all for all of the great insights.
> Best regards,
> Pat
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[RBW] Re: New Member Introduction

[RichS]

Welcome to the group Patrick!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-4, patrick ryan wrote:
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> Hello-
> Patrick Ryan here, new guy.  I have been lurking for about a month, 
> enjoying the conversations and learning about the bikes.  I have a Bleriot 
> (which I need to sell) and a Joe Appaloosa (which I will keep forever).  I 
> currently live in the Bay Area, but will move to San Diego at the end of 
> this month.  Thanks to all for all of the great insights.
> Best regards,
> Pat
>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

You can put some weight on 'over' because it's not blue. I've determined that 
blue bikes just don't do it for me, I always end up selling them within 6 
months. We'll see!

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[RBW] New Member Introduction

[patrick ryan]

Hello-
Patrick Ryan here, new guy.  I have been lurking for about a month, 
enjoying the conversations and learning about the bikes.  I have a Bleriot 
(which I need to sell) and a Joe Appaloosa (which I will keep forever).  I 
currently live in the Bay Area, but will move to San Diego at the end of 
this month.  Thanks to all for all of the great insights.
Best regards,
Pat

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Re: [RBW] choco clamp size

[Andrew Letton]

I find that the Nitto stem pry tool is quite helpful in carefully spreading the 
clamp to get bars into place and reduce scratching.Rivendell used to sell it, 
but they don't seem to stock it any longer. Kinda' pricey, but worth it, in my 
book. Here's one quick source I found, but you might be able to find it cheaper 
elsewhere:
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-tool-3-stem-handlebar-clamp-spreader/stem_tool_nitto__870-900-11_870-900-11/product

cheers,Andrew

  From: jandrews 
 To: RBW Owners Bunch  
 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:31 AM
 Subject: [RBW] choco clamp size
   
GreetingsI'm somewhat baffled by the clamp size on a used choco-norm I picked 
up here on the list.From what I read, the bar is sized at 25.4mm, however I 
seem to only be able to get my 26.0 stems around it. Further the bar as I 
purchased it has scratches all around it from, what looks like, attempting to 
install it on a stem that's too narrow for it.
Did the earlier choco's come in a 26.0mm sleeve size?
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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Jonathan D.]

I am running running JBs with PDW 45 fenders. Just fits on an original Ram. 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think we should start a pool right now on whether Joe will keep this for a 
long time. Over/Under: 12 months 1 day. I'll take the over. (I've got faith in 
ya Joe!)

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Headtube Sizes?

[Matt B.]

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 3:17:30 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I use headtube length as a quick visual estimation of frame size. "No way 
> that ad is really for a 57cm bike!" 
>
>
This usually works for me too but only if factoring in tire clearance.  For 
instance a 60cm cross check has a headtube (not counting the extension 
above the TT) that looks about the same length as a 57cm classic 80's road 
bike, but that's because the cross check has an axle-to-crown distance of 
like 400mm. Same thing would be true of the Quickbeam since it has similar 
tire clearance, except it has a 2' upslope to the tt which cancels that out 
and makes the HT look normal for the size again. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

I looked at that Ben's Cycle listing for a SRAM freehub.  I'd bet a dollar 
that IF it's really gold in color, like that picture, that it is not in 
fact steel.  I don't know of a way to make steel be that color.  That's a 
picture of an aluminum freehub body.  If the item you are actually buying 
looks alot different from the photo, then maybe it's steel.  They might be 
referring to the drivering itself, with the ratchet splines, which most 
certainly is steel.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:40:55 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> I've been researching the possibility of getting a cromo freehub body for 
> Silver hubs and haven't actually come up with a solution but do have a 
> couple of leads: 
>
> 1. After some sleuthing I have come to believe that the Silver hubs were 
> manufactured by KT, a Taiwanese company that manufacturers hubs for a 
> number of other brands, and whose website used to show a cromoly 
> replacement freehub with the same mechanism as the Silver ones.  I emailed 
> them about the possibility of getting one in the U.S. and was directed to 
> HiFi wheels, a boutique wheel builder in Portland whom I assume is a North 
> American agent for KT.  They don't list the freehub bodies on their 
> website, and they never responded to my email inquiry.  You may have better 
> luck--let us know if you do!  
>
> http://ridehifi.com/
>  
> 2. I have recently discovered that the SRAM S40/60/80 wheels seem to have 
> used a KT hub with the same freehub mechanism, and that there is a 
> replacement freehub body out there that looks like the Silver one and is 
> listed as being steel: 
>
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/sram-s406080-910-speed-freehub-body-and-seal/freehub_body_sram_freehub_bodies_8116_fw4553/product
>
> (It's listed in the QBP catalog and thus is available from a number of 
> vendors, this is just the first one that showed the material).  Buying this 
> was going to be my next attempt (haven't do so yet), but I will say that I 
> have no idea if it is actually going to work on a Silver hub and if it is 
> indeed steel. If you buy one, let us know how it works out!
>
> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-7, Montgomery Engel wrote:
>>
>> Hi, does anyone know the answer to Jim's question, below, re: replacing 
>> the alloy freehub body with a cro-mo one on Silver hubs? I removed 
>> my cassette last night with great difficulty to discover rather large 
>> grooves in the splines cut by the cassette. Grateful for any advice.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 4:21:09 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> Question is, can a steel replacement be obtained?  A prior post pointed 
>>> out a 6 pawl cro-mo freehub from the same manufacturer, is it a direct fit?
>>>
>>> http://o-lite.com.tw/news.php?m=d=16=1
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 The prevailing worry is your cassette cogs will dig into the splines 
 and make it difficult to remove your cassette down the line.  It's a 
 pretty 
 common thing for riders like us to just say "enough, I'm never buying an 
 alloy cassette body again".  It's one of the reasons many of us think 
 Deore 
 XT from the late 90's early 00's were so great.  So many of them that they 
 are really cheap.  Still made in Japan so they were good quality.  Steel 
 axles and steel driveshells so your gears come off easy, no matter what 
 you 
 do.  The only acceptable lightweight alternative for many is Ti (white 
 industries, Dura Ace).  

 If Rich says they are nice then I trust they are nice, but many in this 
 group will hear alloy drive shell and will steer clear.  It's a fact. I'd 
 probably give them a shot, but if Riv had asked me to spec their Silver 
 rear hub, I would have advised a steel driveshell for this reason.  One 
 less thing to have to talk about.  The gram savings mean nothing in the 
 context of a Rivendell.  Maybe this particular alloy driveshell is "just 
 as 
 rugged", or close enough, but maybe it's not.  Steel would not have been 
 less rugged, and would have been heavier.  The handwringers will wring 
 hands more over alloy than they would have over the heavier weight.  


 On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:38:47 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>
> So, does anyone think they can wear out the alloy freehub body? :)
>
>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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[Justin, Oakland]

Ahhh

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

[Jeremy Till]

I've been researching the possibility of getting a cromo freehub body for 
Silver hubs and haven't actually come up with a solution but do have a 
couple of leads: 

1. After some sleuthing I have come to believe that the Silver hubs were 
manufactured by KT, a Taiwanese company that manufacturers hubs for a 
number of other brands, and whose website used to show a cromoly 
replacement freehub with the same mechanism as the Silver ones.  I emailed 
them about the possibility of getting one in the U.S. and was directed to 
HiFi wheels, a boutique wheel builder in Portland whom I assume is a North 
American agent for KT.  They don't list the freehub bodies on their 
website, and they never responded to my email inquiry.  You may have better 
luck--let us know if you do!  

http://ridehifi.com/
 
2. I have recently discovered that the SRAM S40/60/80 wheels seem to have 
used a KT hub with the same freehub mechanism, and that there is a 
replacement freehub body out there that looks like the Silver one and is 
listed as being steel: 

https://www.benscycle.com/sram-s406080-910-speed-freehub-body-and-seal/freehub_body_sram_freehub_bodies_8116_fw4553/product

(It's listed in the QBP catalog and thus is available from a number of 
vendors, this is just the first one that showed the material).  Buying this 
was going to be my next attempt (haven't do so yet), but I will say that I 
have no idea if it is actually going to work on a Silver hub and if it is 
indeed steel. If you buy one, let us know how it works out!

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-7, Montgomery Engel wrote:
>
> Hi, does anyone know the answer to Jim's question, below, re: replacing 
> the alloy freehub body with a cro-mo one on Silver hubs? I removed 
> my cassette last night with great difficulty to discover rather large 
> grooves in the splines cut by the cassette. Grateful for any advice.
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 4:21:09 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Question is, can a steel replacement be obtained?  A prior post pointed 
>> out a 6 pawl cro-mo freehub from the same manufacturer, is it a direct fit?
>>
>> http://o-lite.com.tw/news.php?m=d=16=1
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> The prevailing worry is your cassette cogs will dig into the splines and 
>>> make it difficult to remove your cassette down the line.  It's a pretty 
>>> common thing for riders like us to just say "enough, I'm never buying an 
>>> alloy cassette body again".  It's one of the reasons many of us think Deore 
>>> XT from the late 90's early 00's were so great.  So many of them that they 
>>> are really cheap.  Still made in Japan so they were good quality.  Steel 
>>> axles and steel driveshells so your gears come off easy, no matter what you 
>>> do.  The only acceptable lightweight alternative for many is Ti (white 
>>> industries, Dura Ace).  
>>>
>>> If Rich says they are nice then I trust they are nice, but many in this 
>>> group will hear alloy drive shell and will steer clear.  It's a fact. I'd 
>>> probably give them a shot, but if Riv had asked me to spec their Silver 
>>> rear hub, I would have advised a steel driveshell for this reason.  One 
>>> less thing to have to talk about.  The gram savings mean nothing in the 
>>> context of a Rivendell.  Maybe this particular alloy driveshell is "just as 
>>> rugged", or close enough, but maybe it's not.  Steel would not have been 
>>> less rugged, and would have been heavier.  The handwringers will wring 
>>> hands more over alloy than they would have over the heavier weight.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:38:47 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

 So, does anyone think they can wear out the alloy freehub body? :)


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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Probably better to just put them on for the salty season.
I definitely don't want to ride another kind of bike since my commutes are 
22 miles round trip and I love my Rambouillet for that.
I am careful about mounting fenders and my Sheldon Fender Nuts are still on 
the bike so easy on/easy off. Nothing to complain about.
Glad I kept my fenders/rack/decaleur/Berthoud bag!!!
Lately been riding fenderless/rackless with banana sax.
Just bought a Roadeo so will switch banana sax to that and fender up the 
Rambouillet for the winter.

 

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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bought my Rivendells to ride. Period. In all seriousness, the immense amount 
of sweat that pours off of me onto my bike on every single ride I ever take, 
causes corrosion on all my bikes. The anodizing on the headset on my Hilsen has 
all flaked off from said sweat. I don't have a special car I drive on salty 
winter roads either. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Canvas Saddle Wedges.

[Adam Leibow]

dm'd!

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>
> Hi Adam & others,
> I have non-leather options for all bags I make. They're just not listed in 
> my webstore. I'm not that great at keeping things updated there.
> Feel free to send a message and I can go over options.
> Thanks!
> David
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:21:07 PM UTC-5, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hello david, i have frequently clicked on the link to your website and 
>> i'm perpetually impressed with the quality of the work. it is a hobby of 
>> mine to support smaller operations like yours appears to be, and my 
>> girlfriend never tires of rolling her eyes about [the never-ending growth 
>> of] my bike bag collection. however as a vegan i do not buy leather, & so i 
>> cordially suggest exploring offering vegan alternatives. i would have 
>> already bought one or two of these saddle wedges were there a vegan option, 
>> and i believe there is a market base for this option that is larger than 
>> myself alone. Or, if this option exists but is not listed on your site, 
>> please let me know & I'll buy a wedge!!! thanks & keep up the good work! 
>> -adam
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 12:06:24 PM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>>>
>>> Since a few of my early saddle wedges have popped up for sale recently, 
>>> I thought I'd let folks know that I still make these, with a bump up in 
>>> quality of materials since I began making these several years ago.
>>>
>>> Link here: 
>>> https://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-waxed-canvas
>>> I'll offer up free shipping to list members, use code LOCAL at checkout 
>>> to take off the shipping fee.
>>> Feel free to send me a message offlist if you're interested in a 
>>> fabric/leather combo not listed in the webstore.
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>> River Grove, IL
>>>
>>> Fabric options:
>>> Fairfield Textiles #8 water-repellent canvas: olive green, navy blue, 
>>> cinnamon brown, black 
>>> Fairfield Textiles' Martexin #10 waxed canvas: field tan, black
>>>
>>> Leather Options:
>>> Horween natural russet leather
>>> Horween chromexcel leather in: black, navy blue, natural (medium 
>>> brown-ish), dark brown, burgundy color 8
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Drw]

I have a pass and stow rack with a basket and a swift basket bag that has 
all my regular stuff in it always (pump/tools/u-lock/jacket/etc.). 
Randomly, i rode without the bag for the first time in like a year 
yesterday and was kind of blown away by how much nicer the bike feels 
without that weight up there for regular riding. 

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[RBW] Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Vincent Tamer]

I have the Nitto m18 on my Clem and it works just fine. There have been only a 
few occasions that I’ve overloaded it but that was on smooth surface riding so 
no biggie. That being said I’m going to be a bit more weight conscious of my 
basket loads from now on. 

I wonder if the Riv staff will be removing their baskets in order to set a good 
example? I can see that being a burden as many of us are quite dependent on the 
basket setup. 

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Headtube Sizes?

[Philip Williamson]

I use headtube length as a quick visual estimation of frame size. "No way 
that ad is really for a 57cm bike!" 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA


On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 4:15:28 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Yes.  But that can be easily messed up if not to the right spot of the 
> lug.  And the 56 and 58 are close in the top tube.  I just want some extra 
> data.

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Front Rack and hardware (also short Technomic)

[ctifusion]

I was looking for an trade on this but I'll just put this up to see if 
anyone is interested. Out of stock on the Riv site. This is as new, maybe a 
couple very small scratches but nothing noticeable. Installed and ridden 
with bags 4 times. Too much rack for the build I'm looking for. This one 
will hold a basket! (I guess I don't know that for sure but give me a 
break, it's a super strong and beautiful rack).

Included are the long screws and spacers to fit at the bottom, and P-clams 
and screws for the fork blades. I also purchased the extra hardware ($38) 
to direct mount it but I couldn't figure out how to get that to work on the 
MITlantis, I thought I had it figured and I cut the struts, so you'll get 
the short struts and the other hardware. 

$185 shipped in the lower 48. I will ship it in the original box with 
shipping material from Riv.

I should also mention that I have a short Technomic (5cm/25.4) As new, 
installed once. $30 shipped in lower 48.

PM me or respond to this with questions. Paypal F

Best,
Brynnar
Indy

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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Christopher Cote]

I think it was the other way. The first batch had the brake bridges too high, 
and quality long reach caliper brakes were not easily available at the time. 

I might be wrong, though.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Sunrace 8-speed cassettes

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, Sunrace cassettes have standard Shimano spacing.  They're fine,
especially for the money.

Just make sure your rear derailleur can handle a 34t sprocket.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:32 AM, 'Forrest' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with the Sunrace 11/12/13-34 8-speed
> cassettes? Should/will they work as well with Claris 8-speed brifters as
> the Shimano cassettes? Thanks,  -- Forrest (Iowa City)
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

['Montgomery Engel' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi, does anyone know the answer to Jim's question, below, re: replacing the 
alloy freehub body with a cro-mo one on Silver hubs? I removed my cassette 
last night with great difficulty to discover rather large grooves in the 
splines cut by the cassette. Grateful for any advice.

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 4:21:09 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Question is, can a steel replacement be obtained?  A prior post pointed 
> out a 6 pawl cro-mo freehub from the same manufacturer, is it a direct fit?
>
> http://o-lite.com.tw/news.php?m=d=16=1
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> The prevailing worry is your cassette cogs will dig into the splines and 
>> make it difficult to remove your cassette down the line.  It's a pretty 
>> common thing for riders like us to just say "enough, I'm never buying an 
>> alloy cassette body again".  It's one of the reasons many of us think Deore 
>> XT from the late 90's early 00's were so great.  So many of them that they 
>> are really cheap.  Still made in Japan so they were good quality.  Steel 
>> axles and steel driveshells so your gears come off easy, no matter what you 
>> do.  The only acceptable lightweight alternative for many is Ti (white 
>> industries, Dura Ace).  
>>
>> If Rich says they are nice then I trust they are nice, but many in this 
>> group will hear alloy drive shell and will steer clear.  It's a fact. I'd 
>> probably give them a shot, but if Riv had asked me to spec their Silver 
>> rear hub, I would have advised a steel driveshell for this reason.  One 
>> less thing to have to talk about.  The gram savings mean nothing in the 
>> context of a Rivendell.  Maybe this particular alloy driveshell is "just as 
>> rugged", or close enough, but maybe it's not.  Steel would not have been 
>> less rugged, and would have been heavier.  The handwringers will wring 
>> hands more over alloy than they would have over the heavier weight.  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:38:47 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>>>
>>> So, does anyone think they can wear out the alloy freehub body? :)
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[masmojo]

I agree that a rack with a strut to the hub area would help immensely, but I've 
recently changed the rack on my new Polyvalent to the SOMA Demi Porteur and I 
can say that removing the hub area strut, smooths the ride out drastically.  
You can have the swoopiest, gracefully curved fork soaking up the Bumps, but a 
simple rack strut can seriously take the fun out of the party. ;-(

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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Justin, Oakland]

Wasn’t there a batch of rams with low brake bridges that messed with their 
clearances?

-J

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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Lum Gim Fong]

Jeremy, SKS P45 fit great over 700 x 28mm tires on blue Rambouillet. Allso for 
650b x 42.
709 x 32 approaches my limits of too close with fenders. I like alot of 
clearance.
Honjo hammered H50 fits front. Haven’t checked rear yet.

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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Jeremy Till]

Andy, what fenders are you using on your ram with the Stampede Passes?  I 
just picked up a Ram that is running 28's (Ruffy Tuffy) with super narrow 
(35mm?) hammered Honjos and Shimano sidepulls, and I definitely couldn't go 
any wider with the current setup, but like I'll of us I'm contemplating 
what a switch to centerpulls and wider fenders would let me get away with.  
I'd want to stick with hammered fenders though, since they just look so 
right on the current setup!

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 1:51:47 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> I put Paul Racers on my Ram and use Stampede Pass 700 x 32 tires under 
> fender with clearance.
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>
> If you notice, the rear bridge area is not pearl orange, that was due to 
> it needing to be rebreed this spring. I had it put right back where it was 
> instead of monkeying with any change in clearance. The chain stay bridge is 
> of the same clearance and works well as is. Without decals I couldn't do a 
> true repaint so I just did a panel. I have a real fix on the way.
>
>
> As for going to bigger tires (removing fenders), I'd read enough about 
> changes of handling when riding beyond 32mm tires that I stayed right there 
> with the Stampede Passes. 
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
>
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 3:37:57 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>>
>> Another question: should I maybe consider center pulls?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Jeremy Till]

I've become a front-rack-and-basket devotee over the past couple of years, 
and the Medium Shop Sack has become my go-to commuting bag; it's definitely 
the most convenient setup I've used.  My daily commuting load is pretty 
light, but occasionally I'll stop for groceries or beer on the way home, 
and I'm probably well past the stated limits then.  In that case, the ride 
home is generally short and paved.  If I'm using the basket on a longer 
ride or off-road, I try to keep the load light: extra clothes, generally.  

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 4:16:51 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Apparently enough crazies are overloading their Wald baskets on Nitto 
> racks, breaking them and suing over it that now Nitto is saying "no 
> baskets".  Rivendell cares what Nitto says, and so Grant posted on the 
> Blahg that we shouldn't run baskets.  There have been other vendors 
> claiming Nitto Racks carry a lot more weight than Nitto themselves claim.  
> Some gullible people think that means that racks from other vendors are 
> 'stronger' than the ones you buy from Rivendell.  The fact is, a failed 
> front rack is a big problem, and conservative recommendations are intended 
> to protect your head, even if that discourages you from buying something:
>
> GRANTS BLAHG 
> 
>
> Be careful out there.  Use your Manny strap.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Sunrace 8-speed cassettes

[George Rosselle]

I have a Sunrace 12-34 8 spd cassette on my New Albion and it works just 
fine with Shimano 8spd bar end shifters.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:32:10 PM UTC-4, Forrest wrote:
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Sunrace 11/12/13-34 8-speed 
> cassettes? Should/will they work as well with Claris 8-speed brifters as 
> the Shimano cassettes? Thanks,  -- Forrest (Iowa City)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Collin A]

Yeah, something to move the load transfer point closer to the center of the 
load would help in that, but then you limit your ability run hub area or 
low rider racks (depending on the configuration of said racks). Nitto's big 
front rack, Surly's front, or the pricier Pass rack all fit the bill 
and can handle larger loads than the rando-style racks. Even moving the 
struts that are on the furthest edge to the center of the rack could help 
in increasing the operating capacity (see Nitto R-14)

Front loading is nice, but I am still in the boat of putting heavier loads 
on the rear rack where it has less of an affect on handling and a lower 
consequence of failure.


On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:30:34 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> What about if you run a long strut to the dropout? I do that assuming it 
> helps, but maybe I’m wrong. 
>
> Also, the basket rack in development sounds cool.

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[RBW] Sunrace 8-speed cassettes

['Forrest' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Does anyone have experience with the Sunrace 11/12/13-34 8-speed cassettes? 
Should/will they work as well with Claris 8-speed brifters as the Shimano 
cassettes? Thanks,  -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Drw]

What about if you run a long strut to the dropout? I do that assuming it helps, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

Also, the basket rack in development sounds cool.

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[RBW] Re: Effect of reach from changing stem length vs raising/lowering

[Sean Steinle]

Thanks for the advice so far. In my area, I honestly wouldn't trust anyone 
to do a good bike fit. Maybe I'm wrong. The only shops in my area are 
Specialized/Trek/Giant shops and I've just been unimpressed with the 
answers to most of my questions. 

I went home and measured to get exact figures. Top of handlebar is actually 
5cms below saddle height, and I took the stem out to measure. It's a 
beautiful fillet brazed piece, painted to match the bike. The thing is, the 
paint stops below the point where it's currently set, and there's only 3cm 
left until you hit the top of the wedge anyways, so I'm pretty sure this is 
a quill stem that's not actually meant to be adjustable. It's good to know 
that the main thing I can do to feel less stretched is to shorten the stem, 
and I'm pretty sure any stem I buy will have 5cm more of adjustability than 
the current one to get the bars to saddle height should I desire. My 
biggest hangup is taking off this beautiful painted to match stem. I kind 
of feel like I should just keep riding for a while to see if I can get used 
to it. If I'm honest, I think the stretched out feeling will start to 
become more natural, I'm just not sure if I'll get used to the neck craning 
having the bars nearly 2 inches below saddle height, combined with them 
being far away.

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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Philip Williamson]

Huh. I have had a basket on that exact rack, and broke the rack at the 
center-hole bolt. Took ~14 years and a heavy-handed stranger to break it. 
Now my basket is welded on, so I can't really take it off. 
When I do bring home a 12 pack, the way is pretty slow and pretty paved. 

Do decaleurs really support most of the weight of a rando bag? I don't 
believe that, but I've never owned one (since I have an awesome basket). 

Philip
Santa Rosa, Ca

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 4:16:51 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Apparently enough crazies are overloading their Wald baskets on Nitto 
> racks, breaking them and suing over it that now Nitto is saying "no 
> baskets".  Rivendell cares what Nitto says, and so Grant posted on the 
> Blahg that we shouldn't run baskets.  There have been other vendors 
> claiming Nitto Racks carry a lot more weight than Nitto themselves claim.  
> Some gullible people think that means that racks from other vendors are 
> 'stronger' than the ones you buy from Rivendell.  The fact is, a failed 
> front rack is a big problem, and conservative recommendations are intended 
> to protect your head, even if that discourages you from buying something:
>
> GRANTS BLAHG 
> 
>
> Be careful out there.  Use your Manny strap.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Ryan M.]

Something like the Nitto big rack or Surly front rack will handle a loaded 
basket no problem, but the problem I see is that people are sticking that 
kind of load on a small rando rack and then "bikecamping" in some rugged 
stuff and the racks have got to eventually fail. They aren't that strong 
and only have three mounting points. 

I would think something like the Nitto R14 Top Rack would be a really good 
basket rack too. 

- Ryan, who doesn't really get the huge front loading bias that is going on 
now.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:56:35 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:

> Well, kinda what concerns me is that, if they've had issues with it where 
> does that leave Wald? Most people run racks to support their baskets, 
> because the Wald struts are not up to the task. (Although typically the 
> Wald attaches to the handlebar as well) Still, failure or bending the strut 
> could cause the basket to drop onto the wheel.
> As some have alluded, there's a difference between 20lbs on a fairly 
> smooth surface and heavy  duty offroad. Most of those offroad Tour guys 
> don't use much in the way of racks at all. 

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[RBW] choco clamp size

[Joe Bernard]

They were all spec'd 25.4, but I've found that there's some variation with 
Nitto bars and it doesn't take much over-size to become a real headache with 
mounting. For instance the Boscos on my Clem fit the clamp but it's tight, and 
the OD of the grip area makes sliding levers and grips on a real chore.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Canvas Saddle Wedges.

[David B]

Hi Adam & others,
I have non-leather options for all bags I make. They're just not listed in 
my webstore. I'm not that great at keeping things updated there.
Feel free to send a message and I can go over options.
Thanks!
David

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:21:07 PM UTC-5, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hello david, i have frequently clicked on the link to your website and i'm 
> perpetually impressed with the quality of the work. it is a hobby of mine 
> to support smaller operations like yours appears to be, and my girlfriend 
> never tires of rolling her eyes about [the never-ending growth of] my bike 
> bag collection. however as a vegan i do not buy leather, & so i cordially 
> suggest exploring offering vegan alternatives. i would have already bought 
> one or two of these saddle wedges were there a vegan option, and i believe 
> there is a market base for this option that is larger than myself alone. 
> Or, if this option exists but is not listed on your site, please let me 
> know & I'll buy a wedge!!! thanks & keep up the good work! 
> -adam
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 12:06:24 PM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>>
>> Since a few of my early saddle wedges have popped up for sale recently, I 
>> thought I'd let folks know that I still make these, with a bump up in 
>> quality of materials since I began making these several years ago.
>>
>> Link here: 
>> https://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-waxed-canvas
>> I'll offer up free shipping to list members, use code LOCAL at checkout 
>> to take off the shipping fee.
>> Feel free to send me a message offlist if you're interested in a 
>> fabric/leather combo not listed in the webstore.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> River Grove, IL
>>
>> Fabric options:
>> Fairfield Textiles #8 water-repellent canvas: olive green, navy blue, 
>> cinnamon brown, black 
>> Fairfield Textiles' Martexin #10 waxed canvas: field tan, black
>>
>> Leather Options:
>> Horween natural russet leather
>> Horween chromexcel leather in: black, navy blue, natural (medium 
>> brown-ish), dark brown, burgundy color 8
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[masmojo]

Well, kinda what concerns me is that, if they've had issues with it where does 
that leave Wald? Most people run racks to support their baskets, because the 
Wald struts are not up to the task. (Although typically the Wald attaches to 
the handlebar as well) Still, failure or bending the strut could cause the 
basket to drop onto the wheel.
As some have alluded, there's a difference between 20lbs on a fairly smooth 
surface and heavy  duty offroad. Most of those offroad Tour guys don't use much 
in the way of racks at all. 

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[RBW] choco clamp size

[jandrews]

Greetings
I'm somewhat baffled by the clamp size on a used choco-norm I picked up 
here on the list.
>From what I read, the bar is sized at 25.4mm, however I seem to only be 
able to get my 26.0 stems around it. Further the bar as I purchased it has 
scratches all around it from, what looks like, attempting to install it on 
a stem that's too narrow for it.

Did the earlier choco's come in a 26.0mm sleeve size?

Thank you

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[RBW] FS: summer cleaning updated list

[Joe Bernard]

Or not. 

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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[Paul Choi]

Maybe consider a cheaper dedicated winter bike that you don't need to worry 
about getting wet or salty?

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:07:24 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Yes, fenderless.
>
> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due to 
> the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them 
> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so 
> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the 
> clock will run out.
>
> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice 
> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load 
> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>
> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on 
> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means 
> white with dry salt.
>
> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they 
> fared?
>
> Thanks for relating your experiences!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Bruce Herbitter]

RamBobs

For the win!

My blue 52 has 1 1/2” paselas on and I love the ride.  It’s my casual cruiser 
but is really only a mile or 2 per hour slower than my fastest bike.   Same 
motor on both.  Going to look at those SKS fenders. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Jock Dewey  wrote:
> 
> Hey, RAMBobs:
> 
> I have Toyo RAM circa 2004 and it fits Compass 32s and SKS P45 Longboards 
> just fine. 
> 
> Will fit 35s as well but that's maybe a little tight for most of you. Doesn't 
> bother me, but 35s seem a bit much for this bicycle.
> 
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
> 
>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 3:33:52 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>> Gang, I love my blue Ram.  It rides well and it fits me just right. I'm 
>> currently rocking some 700c x 32 Panaracer tires, but after this weekend's 
>> wet and muddy ride, and with the Ram being my only bike, I want bigger 
>> tires, preferably some Barlow Pass or even Gravel King (SK?) but the current 
>> setup won't allow it.
>> 
>> So, I could switch from Tektro 539 to 559 and eek out a set of 700x37 tires, 
>> OR I know a great frame builder who is open to adding canti mounts, which 
>> would open up some options for me to go fenders and 38's or even switch to 
>> 650b.
>> 
>> Again, I love the Ram, so I don't want to go out and get a different frame 
>> and try to tweak the fit, again. So I'm curious: what's your take on what 
>> I'm thinking about? Is the rear bridge even tall enough for me to go bigger 
>> than 38? is 650b a good fit with the Ram? Or am I freaking nuts and just 
>> need to throw some 35's on it, shut up, and keep riding?!
>> 
>> Any and all thoughts welcome.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Jock Dewey]

Re: RAM 32 / 35

Forgot to mention, this fit is on Mavic OP. So wider rims probably won't 
affect 32s but maybe 35s.

JD

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-4, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, RAMBobs:
>
> I have Toyo RAM circa 2004 and it fits Compass 32s and SKS P45 Longboards 
> just fine. 
>
> Will fit 35s as well but that's maybe a little tight for most of you. 
> Doesn't bother me, but 35s seem a bit much for this bicycle.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 3:33:52 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>>
>> Gang, I love my blue Ram.  It rides well and it fits me just right. I'm 
>> currently rocking some 700c x 32 Panaracer tires, but after this weekend's 
>> wet and muddy ride, and with the Ram being my only bike, I want bigger 
>> tires, preferably some Barlow Pass or even Gravel King (SK?) but the 
>> current setup won't allow it.
>>
>> So, I could switch from Tektro 539 to 559 and eek out a set of 700x37 
>> tires, OR I know a great frame builder who is open to adding canti mounts, 
>> which would open up some options for me to go fenders and 38's or even 
>> switch to 650b.
>>
>> Again, I love the Ram, so I don't want to go out and get a different 
>> frame and try to tweak the fit, again. So I'm curious: what's your take on 
>> what I'm thinking about? Is the rear bridge even tall enough for me to go 
>> bigger than 38? is 650b a good fit with the Ram? Or am I freaking nuts and 
>> just need to throw some 35's on it, shut up, and keep riding?!
>>
>> Any and all thoughts welcome.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Jock Dewey]

Re: RAM and 32 / 35s

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-4, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, RAMBobs:
>
> I have Toyo RAM circa 2004 and it fits Compass 32s and SKS P45 Longboards 
> just fine. 
>
> Will fit 35s as well but that's maybe a little tight for most of you. 
> Doesn't bother me, but 35s seem a bit much for this bicycle.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 3:33:52 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>>
>> Gang, I love my blue Ram.  It rides well and it fits me just right. I'm 
>> currently rocking some 700c x 32 Panaracer tires, but after this weekend's 
>> wet and muddy ride, and with the Ram being my only bike, I want bigger 
>> tires, preferably some Barlow Pass or even Gravel King (SK?) but the 
>> current setup won't allow it.
>>
>> So, I could switch from Tektro 539 to 559 and eek out a set of 700x37 
>> tires, OR I know a great frame builder who is open to adding canti mounts, 
>> which would open up some options for me to go fenders and 38's or even 
>> switch to 650b.
>>
>> Again, I love the Ram, so I don't want to go out and get a different 
>> frame and try to tweak the fit, again. So I'm curious: what's your take on 
>> what I'm thinking about? Is the rear bridge even tall enough for me to go 
>> bigger than 38? is 650b a good fit with the Ram? Or am I freaking nuts and 
>> just need to throw some 35's on it, shut up, and keep riding?!
>>
>> Any and all thoughts welcome.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[John G.]

Given the fact that the paint on my Waterford Atlantis chips when I look 
funny at it, I refused to ride it in the winter until I had fenders on it. 
It doesn't stop ALL salt, but it helps.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:07:46 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Even well-fitted, full-coverage fenders don't prevent dry salt from 
> getting all over my bike during a winter road ride.  It's like gravel/trail 
> dust in the summer, it gets everywhere.
>
> That's why I don't ride on the road much in the winter; my primary winter 
> riding is on trails.
>
> I did go on a group winter road ride last year, and I took my plastic (CF) 
> gravel bike.  It was equipped with 45 Nrth Gravdal studded tires and SKS 
> P45 longboard fenders (with mudflaps), yet my entire bike was rime-coated 
> like an ancient mariner after the ~20 mile ride.
>
> And I never ride my steel bikes in the winter.   Even a non-ferrous frame 
> has steel bits (bolts, chain, etc) that show rust pretty quickly, so 
> frequent washes are best.
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Lum Gim Fong  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, fenderless.
>>
>> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due 
>> to the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them 
>> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so 
>> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the 
>> clock will run out.
>>
>> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice 
>> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load 
>> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>>
>> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on 
>> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means 
>> white with dry salt.
>>
>> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they 
>> fared?
>>
>> Thanks for relating your experiences!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, RAMBobs:

I have Toyo RAM circa 2004 and it fits Compass 32s and SKS P45 Longboards 
just fine. 

Will fit 35s as well but that's maybe a little tight for most of you. 
Doesn't bother me, but 35s seem a bit much for this bicycle.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 3:33:52 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Gang, I love my blue Ram.  It rides well and it fits me just right. I'm 
> currently rocking some 700c x 32 Panaracer tires, but after this weekend's 
> wet and muddy ride, and with the Ram being my only bike, I want bigger 
> tires, preferably some Barlow Pass or even Gravel King (SK?) but the 
> current setup won't allow it.
>
> So, I could switch from Tektro 539 to 559 and eek out a set of 700x37 
> tires, OR I know a great frame builder who is open to adding canti mounts, 
> which would open up some options for me to go fenders and 38's or even 
> switch to 650b.
>
> Again, I love the Ram, so I don't want to go out and get a different frame 
> and try to tweak the fit, again. So I'm curious: what's your take on what 
> I'm thinking about? Is the rear bridge even tall enough for me to go bigger 
> than 38? is 650b a good fit with the Ram? Or am I freaking nuts and just 
> need to throw some 35's on it, shut up, and keep riding?!
>
> Any and all thoughts welcome.
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddlesack M Mounting to Spring Saddle

[Bob B]

Yeah, I was guessing the top gets crushed a bit by the springs, yea?

Bob B
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[RBW] Saddlesack M Mounting to Spring Saddle

[Joe Bernard]

If you have enough space between the bottom of the springs and rack/tire, you 
can run the straps through the springs near the bottom instead of the bag 
loops. 

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Re: [RBW] How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[Tim Gavin]

Even well-fitted, full-coverage fenders don't prevent dry salt from getting
all over my bike during a winter road ride.  It's like gravel/trail dust in
the summer, it gets everywhere.

That's why I don't ride on the road much in the winter; my primary winter
riding is on trails.

I did go on a group winter road ride last year, and I took my plastic (CF)
gravel bike.  It was equipped with 45 Nrth Gravdal studded tires and SKS
P45 longboard fenders (with mudflaps), yet my entire bike was rime-coated
like an ancient mariner after the ~20 mile ride.

And I never ride my steel bikes in the winter.   Even a non-ferrous frame
has steel bits (bolts, chain, etc) that show rust pretty quickly, so
frequent washes are best.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Lum Gim Fong 
wrote:

> Yes, fenderless.
>
> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due to
> the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them
> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so
> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the
> clock will run out.
>
> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice
> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load
> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>
> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on
> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means
> white with dry salt.
>
> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they
> fared?
>
> Thanks for relating your experiences!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Wally Estrella]

I run a JIS thru the tomb stone hoop then wrap it around the bars on each 
side of the stem. 



On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 7:58:36 AM UTC-4, jandrews wrote:
>
> What's the best method for rigging up a an Irish strap as a semi-permanent 
> support between mini-front and bar or mini-front and head tube that doesn't 
> affect steering or get in the way?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Lum Gim Fong]

I double plastic shopping bag it in the rain! 
I also have a nice cover that LBS was giving away.
I never wanted to buy a legit cover for fear of tearing or not staying in place 
but I recently saw I think Randijofab makes ond that looks sturdy.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[jandrews]

What's the best method for rigging up a an Irish strap as a semi-permanent 
support between mini-front and bar or mini-front and head tube that doesn't 
affect steering or get in the way?


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[RBW] 2 large Rivendell saddlebags for sale

[Steven Sweedler]

The Hoss bag is still available,other is sold,  Thank you,

> Steven Sweedler
>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Velocity/Shimano Deore 650b wheelset - $275

[Fullylugged]

Rivendell did sell this particular set. I have one also, keep as a back up set. 
 

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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[Fullylugged]

Lum:

  Get that bike a decent saddle cover!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Ron Mc]

you should be

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 10:11:40 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:...
>
>
> Sorry for the lecture,
> Collin A
>

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[RBW] Saddlesack M Mounting to Spring Saddle

[Drw]

It doesn’t work great, or it works fine as long as you are ok losing some of 
the capacity of the upper back area that the springs eat into. 

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[RBW] Re: Adding Canti mounts to a Ram???

[ascpgh]

I put Paul Racers on my Ram and use Stampede Pass 700 x 32 tires under 
fender with clearance.


 


If you notice, the rear bridge area is not pearl orange, that was due to it 
needing to be rebreed this spring. I had it put right back where it was 
instead of monkeying with any change in clearance. The chain stay bridge is 
of the same clearance and works well as is. Without decals I couldn't do a 
true repaint so I just did a panel. I have a real fix on the way.


As for going to bigger tires (removing fenders), I'd read enough about 
changes of handling when riding beyond 32mm tires that I stayed right there 
with the Stampede Passes. 


Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh





On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 3:37:57 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Another question: should I maybe consider center pulls?
>

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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[Julian Westerhout]

Lum, 

I think you are worrying too much about the risks associated with both 
fenders and racks. Properly used and mounted both present very minor risks. 

That said, presuming you want to preserve/pamper your Riv's frame and 
parts, I would definitely not ride it on salty roads, dry or wet -- 
although dry is better than wet. 

I've not ridden my Rivs in salt, but regularly do with my winter commuter 
(a pedestrian MTB) -- and corrosion happens, even with regular cleaning. It 
is my experience that there is usually some moisture somewhere even on 
"dry" winter roads (occasional runoff from shady spots melting, etc.) if 
they've been salted recently enough for the salt to still be on the 
pavement. 

Julia Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 11:07:24 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Yes, fenderless.
>
> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due to 
> the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them 
> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so 
> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the 
> clock will run out.
>
> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice 
> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load 
> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>
> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on 
> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means 
> white with dry salt.
>
> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they 
> fared?
>
> Thanks for relating your experiences!
>
>

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[RBW] Saddlesack M Mounting to Spring Saddle

[Bob B]

Does anyone have experience with and/or pictures of mounting a Riv Saddlesack M 
or L to a brooks spring saddle? Im trying to figure out it it will work, or if 
I’ll have to switch saddles in order to run a saddlesack.

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