Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe

Beautiful frame/fork and very nice build.

Do you know the upslope angle of the Top Tube???  Looks fairly steep, 
almost as much as a mixte.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

It's done! Grant was right, it took me most of the week 
Well it's starter done, you know how that goes. Cables are too long because I 
might swap the Loscos for the intended Boscos, but this felt really good today. 
Still need a fd and another chainring or two, but I'm not in a hurry for that. 

It's perfect. Comfortable, beautiful, with a nice springy ride..basically it's 
a Rivendell. But a Rivendell built to my size and riding style, with my 
CRAZY-good-looking choice of Joe Bell paint. I'm so glad I finally did this, I 
love it!
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/48n9n7QNsrJRZBns6

 

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[RBW] Re: Apaloosa front derailleur clearance problem

[Collin A]

If the solutions above don't work, it may require a shorter spindled BB 
that would bring the whole crank closer to the bike ($30-ish). If the 
current one is 113, you could get a 110 and that should solve your problem. 
I would recommend trying the free options first :)

Good Luck!
Collin in Sac

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 4:40:38 PM UTC-7, dirtp wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I recently finished building a Joe Appaloosa that I bought a 
> while back, but I didn't have time to complete it until now. This forum 
> helped me pick out the rims, in fact!
>
> I totally love the bike, but I'm having a problem I was hoping someone 
> could help me with. I built the bike with an 8-speed cassette, Shimano 
> Claris 3x8 front derailleur, and Silver triple cranks. However, when I have 
> the chain on the biggest chainring and the smallest cog, the front 
> derailleur is less than 1mm from the crank arm. When I pedal moderately 
> hard in this gear, the chain rubs on the outside of the front derailleur.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? Is it maybe because the 8-speed chain is 
> wider than a 9-speed chain?
>
> I have another 8-speed bike with a Silver triple crankset and a Deore FD 
> and never noticed until now, but it has a similar problem with a super 
> tight clearance between the crank arm and front derailleur.
>
> Thanks very much for any help you can provide!
>
> Jason
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Andrew Letton]

 I recently had a similar experience with the recommended pressures from the 
Silca tool - for Snoqualmie Pass tires and rocky fire roads - double pinch flat 
on a recent ride.cheers,Andrew
On Friday, May 8, 2020, 04:20:07 AM GMT+10, Corwin  
wrote:  
 
 I don't think I would trust the Silca tool. Put in my weight and my bike's 
weight - conservatively over estimating both. The tool gave me pressures of 50 
& 48psi for rear and front tires respectively.
At those pressures, I have experienced frequent pinch flats.
Namaste,

Corwin

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other testing and 
put in a tool here:
https://info.silca.cc/silca- professional-pressure- calculator
Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a recommendation that 
is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave them my 
email for the pro version but the basic is good enough.
-Dave J



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[RBW] Re: Apaloosa front derailleur clearance problem

[Joe Bernard]

It could just be a funky fd, too. I had one on a 9-speed bike and I don't 
remember the cage looking appreciably wide like most 8-speed mechs I've seen. 

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[RBW] Re: Apaloosa front derailleur clearance problem

[dirtp]

Bill, 

I think it's about as parallel to the chainrings as I can get it. I think 
if I twist it one way or another, it will rub on the opposite end. Thanks 
for the advice, though!

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 8:55:05 PM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> I would look at the alignment of the cage with respect to the chainrings. 
>  Would tweaking that do anything?  With some setups, I have to give the 
> front derailleur a little more outward travel.  Sometimes that might even 
> lead to the crank arm ticking against the cage.  I friction shift, so make 
> the shift and just trim back enough as part of the shift action to get rid 
> of the ticking.  Annoying when I forget which bike I’m on but no big deal. 
>
> Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Apaloosa front derailleur clearance problem

[dirtp]

Thanks, Joe, I'll send a couple of pictures tomorrow.

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 8:38:14 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> You might be able to solve this by sliding the derailleur up a bit so the 
> chain is in the fatter open section of the cage. If you send me a pic I 
> might be able to see what's needed, get me here:
>
> joeremi62 gmail com
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[RBW] Apaloosa front derailleur clearance problem

[Bill Schairer]

I would look at the alignment of the cage with respect to the chainrings.  
Would tweaking that do anything?  With some setups, I have to give the front 
derailleur a little more outward travel.  Sometimes that might even lead to the 
crank arm ticking against the cage.  I friction shift, so make the shift and 
just trim back enough as part of the shift action to get rid of the ticking.  
Annoying when I forget which bike I’m on but no big deal.

Bill S

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[RBW] Apaloosa front derailleur clearance problem

[Joe Bernard]

You might be able to solve this by sliding the derailleur up a bit so the chain 
is in the fatter open section of the cage. If you send me a pic I might be able 
to see what's needed, get me here:

joeremi62 gmail com

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[RBW] Apaloosa front derailleur clearance problem

[dirtp]

Hi everyone, I recently finished building a Joe Appaloosa that I bought a 
while back, but I didn't have time to complete it until now. This forum 
helped me pick out the rims, in fact!

I totally love the bike, but I'm having a problem I was hoping someone 
could help me with. I built the bike with an 8-speed cassette, Shimano 
Claris 3x8 front derailleur, and Silver triple cranks. However, when I have 
the chain on the biggest chainring and the smallest cog, the front 
derailleur is less than 1mm from the crank arm. When I pedal moderately 
hard in this gear, the chain rubs on the outside of the front derailleur.

Has anyone else had this problem? Is it maybe because the 8-speed chain is 
wider than a 9-speed chain?

I have another 8-speed bike with a Silver triple crankset and a Deore FD 
and never noticed until now, but it has a similar problem with a super 
tight clearance between the crank arm and front derailleur.

Thanks very much for any help you can provide!

Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[George Schick]

Oh, I've either purchased or "checked out" ebooks from the library many 
times, so that's not an issue.  I was just holding out on the price, even 
the steeply discounted eBook price on the particular volume in which I was 
interested.  All I needed was the motivation to push me over the edge, 
which your missive provided, to go download the thing.  I'm enjoying 
reading it at this moment.

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 5:16:43 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, go get yourself your very first ebook! If you need tips and tricks 
> or general help, you just go ahead and PM me. I can’t offer you a lick of 
> bike advice, but what treasure I have, I give to thee. 
>
> The format that I held out on the longest was the audiobook format. A 
> lover of podcasts, you would think I’d have jumped at the chance for an 
> audiobook. But I really love them now, mostly so I can do other things. 
> Steam mopping, laundry, cooking...all mundane tasks that are made enjoyable 
> because of audiobooks. 
>
> Joe - you are half right. Your years of car racing fandom have paid off on 
> the definition of penultimate. But you used the Americanism for 
> “nonplussed.” 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Ack, I was half right. Which for me is an improvement!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

George, go get yourself your very first ebook! If you need tips and tricks or 
general help, you just go ahead and PM me. I can’t offer you a lick of bike 
advice, but what treasure I have, I give to thee. 

The format that I held out on the longest was the audiobook format. A lover of 
podcasts, you would think I’d have jumped at the chance for an audiobook. But I 
really love them now, mostly so I can do other things. Steam mopping, laundry, 
cooking...all mundane tasks that are made enjoyable because of audiobooks. 

Joe - you are half right. Your years of car racing fandom have paid off on the 
definition of penultimate. But you used the Americanism for “nonplussed.” 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Here's a thing I ought to have known by now: How to put my tools down all in 
one spot. I'm finishing the build on my custom and I can't tell you how many 
times two Allen wrenches and one small screwdriver have ended up in three 
different places. And not even the same three places! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[George Schick]

OK, I frequent an entirely different blog where the moderator has been 
advertising a special e-book price for a book that I've been wanting to 
read, but have resisted the cost (the hardback is 3-4 times the e-book 
special).  This discussion has convinced me - I'm going to get it!


On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Oh, yes, words. My favorite. This is where I put my plug in for e-books 
> over paper books. I adore e-books, and right now they are enjoying their 
> moment in the sun as paper books are difficult to come by with the closure 
> of libraries, book stores, and the sloth shipping of stores that actually 
> are open for business. 
>
> My point is that in e-books, you can touch a word unfamiliar to you and a 
> dictionary definition will appear. I love this because when reading aloud 
> to my sons, they would inevitably ask “what does that mean?” Well, it’s 
> nice to have a succinct and proper definition instead of trying to come up 
> with words on the spot, and thus I became dependent on the dictionary 
> feature. The surprising thing to me, is how many words I have been defining 
> based on my understanding of the context, rather than the dictionary. See: 
> penultimate and nonplussed. I’ll give you two sentences, and you can look 
> them up in Merriam-Webster and see if you guessed right. 
>
> 1. Nonplussed: Leah was, in a word, nonplussed at Steve’s guesstimate of 
> her weight. (There will be two definitions; one that is correct and one 
> that is an “Americanism - accepted though wrong because enough people use 
> it in this way.  I mean it in the correct sense of the word. 藍藍藍 
>
> 2. Penultimate: The penultimate chapter of the book I’m reading is where 
> you’ll find the key to the plot. (Sorry, couldn’t come up with a clever 
> bike-related sentence for this one.) 
>
> Also - do we have Potter fans on the List? I read Hermione as Her-ME-Own. 
> Nope. It’s Her-MY-oh-nee. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On May 7, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Joe Bernard > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > "Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song 
> lyrics. It's so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand 
> times and suddenly realize you've had it wrong for 40 years!" 
> > 
> > My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The 
> other day I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word 
> you understand as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I 
> know the word as correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even 
> make sense! 
> > 
> > I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing... 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[DHans]

Yes I am an e-book fan and have debated with others the merits. I can have a 
whole library in my hands, etc. some folks swear by paper though and that’s 
okay. Just Read. I read the Harry Potter series and thought they were awesome! 
I also highly recommend the Young James Bond series to any teen boy as I read 
it along with my teen son years ago. I think the author is Charlie Higson. So 
well written. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Nonplussed: Unbothered

Penultimate: The one just before last, i.e., "The driver is on the penultimate 
lap of the race, one more to go after this."

These are my guesses, Leah would figure me out in a hot second if I cheated. I 
don't know how she would know but she WOULD SO KNOW. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

Oh, yes, words. My favorite. This is where I put my plug in for e-books over 
paper books. I adore e-books, and right now they are enjoying their moment in 
the sun as paper books are difficult to come by with the closure of libraries, 
book stores, and the sloth shipping of stores that actually are open for 
business.

My point is that in e-books, you can touch a word unfamiliar to you and a 
dictionary definition will appear. I love this because when reading aloud to my 
sons, they would inevitably ask “what does that mean?” Well, it’s nice to have 
a succinct and proper definition instead of trying to come up with words on the 
spot, and thus I became dependent on the dictionary feature. The surprising 
thing to me, is how many words I have been defining based on my understanding 
of the context, rather than the dictionary. See: penultimate and nonplussed. 
I’ll give you two sentences, and you can look them up in Merriam-Webster and 
see if you guessed right.

1. Nonplussed: Leah was, in a word, nonplussed at Steve’s guesstimate of her 
weight. (There will be two definitions; one that is correct and one that is an 
“Americanism - accepted though wrong because enough people use it in this way. 
 I mean it in the correct sense of the word. 藍藍藍

2. Penultimate: The penultimate chapter of the book I’m reading is where you’ll 
find the key to the plot. (Sorry, couldn’t come up with a clever bike-related 
sentence for this one.)

Also - do we have Potter fans on the List? I read Hermione as Her-ME-Own. Nope. 
It’s Her-MY-oh-nee.


Sent from my iPad

> On May 7, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> "Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. 
> It's so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and 
> suddenly realize you've had it wrong for 40 years!"
> 
> My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The other 
> day I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word you 
> understand as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I know 
> the word as correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even make 
> sense!
> 
> I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing... 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[aeroperf]

Joe:

We all do that.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

And of course, for those who were children attending religious 
instruction, who could forget Gladly the Cross-Eyed Bear?


On 5/7/20 4:11 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. It's so 
funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and suddenly realize you've 
had it wrong for 40 years!"

My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The other day 
I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word you understand 
as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I know the word as 
correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even make sense!

I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing...


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[RBW] Re: Let's Get Claudia Lopez an El Clem

[masmojo]

I was nearly responding to the notion that (as I percieved it) she only rides 
in the environment pictured and that a Clem would be an upgrade. The relevance 
of mud on the tires is that clearly she doesn't ride solely on the esplanades 
of Columbia and that her bike likely sees serious offroad use to which it's 
more perfectly suited. 
Now, could she also use a Clem? Probably so; but as an supplement rather than a 
replacement.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

"Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. It's 
so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and suddenly 
realize you've had it wrong for 40 years!"

My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The other day 
I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word you understand 
as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I know the word as 
correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even make sense!

I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing... 

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[masmojo]

Everything is relative; I don't think the bike will hold you up, but you and 
the bike could hold your friends up.
Single track means different things to different people depending on their 
local conditions. I could take my Clem(entine) on much of the trails I used to 
race on in East Texas with no real issue & have a blast doing it. Some of the 
trails around Central Texas? Maybe not.
August before last my son & I did a road trip to the West coast; I rode 
Chuckwagon in Sedona & Repack in Fairfax. (On my Surly Ogre) I  could have done 
Repack on my Clementine (it would have been a gas), but Chuckwagon on the 
Clementine? One or both of us would have gotten broken!

So, the answer to your question is . . . . Maybe.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[masmojo]

Leah, I remember you posting your weight somewhere else here (or was it an 
email?) Anywhose, I got a pretty good idea of your weight and an idea about 
your tires width. Based on that I would say that 30ish PSI is a good starting 
point. Slightly more rear, less front.  Once you get a good feel for riding at 
the proper pressure you'll know instinctively when it's off. Bike feel slower 
than normal? Needs more air. Rough an unforgiving? Let some out.

Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. It's 
so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and suddenly 
realize you've had it wrong for 40 years! 

The other things I've got wrong? I'll take to the grave! LOL

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Joe Bernard]

"Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike?"

I'll try this again after my rather confused two answers last night: I'm not 
sure it will hold its own if all your buddies have front suspension, you are 
setting yourself up for a world of pain, your bike will be fine. 

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

All other things being equal, a hardtail will out climb a bouncy bike and a 
bouncy bike will out descend a hardtail. The simple answer is, of course 
you can do it. Keep in mind, you will need to ride the trails differently 
than they do (Grant's ruminations on Mongolian style riding are excellent 
fodder here). Where they shred, you bob and weave. You'll have as much or 
more fun, and enjoy the trail in a very different way because of this. 
Bottom line, absolutely, Clem can handle it. Go. Have a blast. Enlighten 
your friend's ignorance. And you will have your own version of smooth 
riding. Grin. Enjoy, with abandon!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 12:01:47 AM UTC-6, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
wrote:
>
> Hi there - first time poster 
> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side 
> of Mesopotamia...
>
> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out 
> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>
> So what do you think?
> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike? 
>
> Many thanks,
> gk
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Jason. They sure look good on your Sam.
Jon

On Thu, May 7, 2020, 12:33 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Cheers Jon! They are 650x42 Babyshoe Pass wrapped in 58mm wide Honjo
> H79s.  They are an ideal combination for me, quick yet capable for all
> sorts of roads
>
> On Thursday, 7 May 2020 11:20:48 UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Jason
>> What tire size and fenders?
>> Beautiful bike. Thanks for sharingm
>> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jason Fuller]

Cheers Jon! They are 650x42 Babyshoe Pass wrapped in 58mm wide Honjo H79s.  
They are an ideal combination for me, quick yet capable for all sorts of 
roads

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> Jason
> What tire size and fenders?
> Beautiful bike. Thanks for sharingm
> Jon
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[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview

[S]

Thanks for posting this. Fun to watch. 

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 7:26:29 AM UTC-7, DHans wrote:
>
> Many of you may have already seen this clip but it was new to me. Grant 
> does a good job, is funny, and gives thoughtful answers. The ladies doing 
> the interview asked good questions. They start with helmets, then cover 
> clothing and food while riding. And of course bikes. BTW, you only need 8 
> gears per Grant.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv7AJukCGBs
>
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: FS. Rivendell Hats, Paul Neo Retro, Tires and misc

[Jonathan D.]

Updates Below

All prices include shipping. Trying to do some spring cleaning. I have some 
wheels I’ll post soon, both 700c and 650b. 


Rivelo Hat: One of a kind design Randijo Waxed Canvas Hat.  $60. Size 
Large, which Randi Jo lists at 23.5inch to 24.5 inch. Great Shape   

Rivendell Bucket Hat – Great shape and hardly used.  $45  *SOLD*
  
 Would trade for a lightly used Rivendell baseball cap from the 
 same release. 
  
Paul Neo Retro Brakes – Only receive what is pictured.  Great condition and 
hardly used.  $115 *SOLD*
  
Schwalbe G-one 700c (29er) 2.35 mm – Brand new but don’t plan to ship with 
box. $105 
  
Ibex Bib Shorts – New with Tag – Large $105 
https://www.rei.com/product/895799/ibex-bib-bike-shorts-mens
  
Soma Cazadero – Good Shape. 700x 43 $55.* SOLD*

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0Z5VaUrz4MPWY
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> Sending PM for Cazaderos.
>
> -Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Corwin]

I don't think I would trust the Silca tool. Put in my weight and my bike's 
weight - conservatively over estimating both. The tool gave me pressures of 
50 & 48psi for rear and front tires respectively.

At those pressures, I have experienced frequent pinch flats.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other testing 
> and put in a tool here:
>
> https://info.silca.cc/silca-professional-pressure-calculator
>
> Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a recommendation 
> that is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave 
> them my email for the pro version but the basic is good enough.
>
> -Dave J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[ANDREW ERMAN]

Cool video!

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:48 AM Adam Leibow  wrote:

> it depends how skilled your friends are VS. how skilled you are. the clem
> H is more than capable of riding fast technical stuff. i've done some fast
> technical offroad rides on my clem L no problem. i would argue suspension
> only helps if you are absolutely FLYING downhill. i know ive shared this
> video ad nauseam but this was shot on the clem L if it helps for reference:
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B2LYQMQlCdZ/
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 11:01:47 PM UTC-7,
> theenchantingwizardofrhythm wrote:
>>
>> Hi there - first time poster
>> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side
>> of Mesopotamia...
>>
>> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
>> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out
>> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
>> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>>
>> So what do you think?
>> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
>> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> gk
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 Sam Hillborne

[greenteadrinkers]

Sweet build! Congrats to someone out there! James at Analog is building up 
my Sam, can't wait! Wondering if Sam's will continue to be produced 
post-pandemic? If anyone is looking to unload a small Sam, let me know, 
looking to have one built for my partner.

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 1:20:42 PM UTC-5, Hayden wrote:
>
> Hey all, 
>
> Selling my Hillborne, located in Los Angeles. Bike is in good condition 
> one minor ding on top tube from a bar end(see photo) and some other slight 
> scuffs but nothing major.
>
>
> Please ask any and all questions. Saddle not included. Can sell rack along 
> with if requested. Buyer can cover shipping and packing. 
>
> Asking $1400
>
>
> -Rivendell Billie Bars
> -nitto stem
> -silver shifters
> -paul levers
> -fsa headset
> -sugino xd2 wide low double
> -VP-015 pedals
> -nitto rear cable hanger
> -paul racer brakes, silver
> -deore rear derailer
> -shimano cx70 front derailer
> -shimano bb
> -700c wheelset- sun cr18 rims, deore hubs, 36h, 8spd cassette
> -700x42 shikoro tires 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Bh3x9HbQ1a4W7FW9wwgVSwja0qke8uSe
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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini - Orange and Athena!

[Jason Fuller]

Great deal and beautiful build, in my size and as a fellow Canadian no 
less. Unfortunately for me, I have two too many bikes already (also 
selling) and no bike funds for the next bit.  I hope you do not need to 
reduce further to get that thing sold! 

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Jason Fuller]

I interpret Hillibike as a modern interpretation of a Klunker. Basically 
ditching all the new technology, but refining what's left. Anyway, that's 
more an esoteric discussion and has little to do with where you can ride 
the bike - I agree with others that you'll probably be working a lot harder 
/ getting more beat up than the other riders to get to the same place, but 
you absolutely can get to the same place on the Clem.  It would be a shame 
to miss out on an adventure like that based on the idea you need more than 
the Clem - you certainly don't - but it's more about whether your adventure 
pals are willing to wait for you at the end of technical stretches and 
such.  You might be waiting for them after smooth stretches! :D   

The only further consideration I would make is whether your tires are up to 
the terrain you'll be on.  If it's going to be mostly dirt with some 
technical bits, I'd put some 2.2" or 2.3" knobbies on there. 

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[RBW] Re: Let's Get Claudia Lopez an El Clem

[Joe Bernard]

I don't, Mark, your original post isn't a comment at all, it's just a thread 
title and a photo of someone on a bike. Then I commented somewhat humorously 
(for I am hilarious, ask anybody) and Masmojo responded to that. From here I 
see you objecting to his response to my response, it doesn't start with any 
point you were making because you didn't make one. 

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Cameron Sharp]

+1 to what dstein said. 

My experience is that shreddability (that's a technical term) really varies 
with the rider. While riding mild singletrack, my friend and fellow RBW-er 
Adam L. is miles ahead of me on his full rigid Atlantis running two inch 
tires while I'm on his custom hardtail. He rides trails all the time and 
therefore knows how to shred an Atlantis while I only occasionally ride 
trails and therefore have no idea how to shred a machine purpose-built for 
shredding. If the skill gap is wide, technical bike shtuff will likely 
widen it further. 

All of that said, there's no reason why they couldn't go slower and y'all 
could just commit to having fun together as a group. I personally just 
purchased a 52cm Clem H that I'm planning to build up for some loaded dirt 
touring and I don't see any reason why it couldn't handle everything I'm 
interested in doing in the dirt (i.e. no rock gardens, no super-technical 
aggro singletrack, downhill, etc.). Someone at Riv HQ told me they did the 
Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail on a 26" wheeled Atlantis. So yeah, a lot 
is possible with the right attitude, the willpower to make it work, and the 
patience to enjoy yourself along the way. 

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Adam Leibow]

it depends how skilled your friends are VS. how skilled you are. the clem H 
is more than capable of riding fast technical stuff. i've done some fast 
technical offroad rides on my clem L no problem. i would argue suspension 
only helps if you are absolutely FLYING downhill. i know ive shared this 
video ad nauseam but this was shot on the clem L if it helps for reference: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2LYQMQlCdZ/


On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 11:01:47 PM UTC-7, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
wrote:
>
> Hi there - first time poster 
> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side 
> of Mesopotamia...
>
> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out 
> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>
> So what do you think?
> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike? 
>
> Many thanks,
> gk
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Eric Floden]

I seem to have a genius for installing things other than the way intended.
A few years ago I got a VO long-setback seat post mailed to me for my
Fargo/Brooks combination, and I managed to install it facing the wrong way.
(There were only two way to install it, I got the wrong one...) The saddle
did not adjust far enough to sit on comfortably (no kidding) and as it
turned out I needed my local shop (the now-gone Dizzy's) to attend to
another matter. The shop mechanic came out and very nicely, quietly, and
non-judgementally asked me something like:

" Excuse me, but are your umm, differently-abled in a way that required you
to install your seat this way? "

I admitted I was still fine-tuning the installation, and he offered to
speed up the process for me, by installing it properly. I blushed my thanks
to him and the story ended happily.

EricF
getting it right, eventually
Vancouver BC

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Re: [RBW] Grant Petersen Interview

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Actually, you can do quite well with three speeds. 

https://societyofthreespeeds.wordpress.com 

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> On May 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, DHans  wrote:
> 
> Many of you may have already seen this clip but it was new to me. Grant does 
> a good job, is funny, and gives thoughtful answers. The ladies doing the 
> interview asked good questions. They start with helmets, then cover clothing 
> and food while riding. And of course bikes. BTW, you only need 8 gears per 
> Grant.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv7AJukCGBs 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[dstein]

>From what I recall, the hilibikes are meant for lighter trail riding, and 
not technical terrain/singletrack. Not that you can't ride that kind of 
stuff with it, but I wouldn't be able to keep up with more experienced 
riders with more capable bikes. I used to use a Hunqapillar for all kinds 
of trail riding, but I was pretty slow on that compared to my Jones which 
is my main mtn bike now. I don't have any experience with the Clem, so take 
that for what it's worth. But really depends on the type of terrain they're 
riding. But if they already are saying you 'can't hang' they sound like the 
kind of group who isn't going to be super patient if you're taking a little 
more time. 

That being said, it's all about your own capabilities. I've been riding 
with people on hardtail aluminum beat up 90's mountain bikes that smoked me 
on fs mountain bikes. And any one at Riv HQ can probably outride serious 
mtn bike riders on modern mtn bikes, those Riv employees are super strong 
riders. And 'some' singletrack might be totally doable. It is weird to me 
that they're on hardtails and claiming that, I get if they're on super fast 
suspension bikes. I do question the difference b/w their hardtails and a 
Clem in this scenario.

I would just be careful and set expectations properly. Again, nothing is 
stopping you from riding it anywhere. You and the bike would be fine. It's 
just a matter of the group you're with, and if you do find you need to slow 
it down, whether it's because the bike or your own skills, how cool are 
they going to be with it?

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[RBW] Grant Petersen Interview

[DHans]

Many of you may have already seen this clip but it was new to me. Grant 
does a good job, is funny, and gives thoughtful answers. The ladies doing 
the interview asked good questions. They start with helmets, then cover 
clothing and food while riding. And of course bikes. BTW, you only need 8 
gears per Grant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv7AJukCGBs

Doug

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[RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Surlyprof]

Oops.  Not sure I copied the link correctly.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f2XIWEK9hciggoo5WRVwQeSKHocUUDOz/view?usp=sharing_eil=5dd02343

Johns

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[RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Surlyprof]

GK,

We all used To ride rigid on singletrack with 2” tires (or skinnier) back in 
the late ‘80’s.  Front suspension hardtails came along which help a bit with 
control on the really rocky stuff.  Check out what Yakeen pulls off on an 
Atlantis.  It’s inspiring (and a great video).  
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Atlantis$20film/rbw-owners-bunch/-bK8QNnM77E

John

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[ANDREW ALLEN ERMAN]

Hi!  Glad to meet another member of the Clem family!  I have enjoyed riding 
my Clem H on trails with steep and long climbs (and descents).  The 
Rivendell description was accurate in my experience - you ride with the 
terrain instead of thru it.  For me, this meant paying more attention to 
the trail in front of me and making quick adjustments in anticipation. 
 This also meant I needed to go slower on the trail.  Overall, I enjoy this 
type of trail riding and did not find myself missing bike suspension.  In 
full disclosure, the type of aggressive riding one can do with full 
suspension has never appealed to me, so I can't contrast that kind of 
riding compared to what I do like.

Best,

Andy

PS  I also like the more upright position I have on my Clem compared to the 
more aggressive position I have experienced on the usual mountain bike. 

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 11:01:47 PM UTC-7, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
wrote:
>
> Hi there - first time poster 
> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side 
> of Mesopotamia...
>
> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out 
> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>
> So what do you think?
> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike? 
>
> Many thanks,
> gk
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's Get Claudia Lopez an El Clem

[Mark Roland]

I wonder if people actually read and digest that reading? My point, made 
several times, has nothing to do with whether her bicycle cost $219 or 
$2,119.00. Dollars for donuts, it has already been pointed out that the 
bike is "branded" in terms of the city she is mayor of, not an actual brand.

Did I say it was a department store bicycle? No, I said it looked the same, 
in response to an assertion about the average person's aesthetic views of 
bicycles. Did I say bicycles for "sport" are bad, or question their 
validity? Nope. I did say Clems are awesome for sport. As I also said, I 
have ridden and owned modern mtb. They are fine for the niche they serve. 
Clems are not a niche bike in actual use, they are generalists and do many 
things very well.

The fact that there is mud on the tires has nothing to do with anything, 
other than perhaps reinforcing my point that the bike is not in its natural 
environment as depicted, and as an illustration for the accompanying text 
in the article is not ideal. Did you read it?

Do carbon fiber spokes make a better city bike? Does a front suspension 
make sense riding down a paved street to the grocery store or work? Not to 
mention such a high zoot bike in a "desired" category is prime theft 
material in an urban environment.

My point was, a Clem makes more sense as an illustration for the article, 
and also for the mayor of Bogota to ride as the type of bicycle good for 
getting around Bogota. I really don't mind that you don't share my opinion, 
but it would be nice if you would take the time to comprehend the idea 
being expressed, and respond to that, rather than making assertions about 
something that is not under discussion. And of course, if you prefer to 
ride around town on a suspension bike with carbon wheels and nowhere to 
carry anything, please, don't let me stop ya!


On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 8:53:02 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> Well, the point of my assertion that there was mud on the tires was simply 
> evidence that she rode other more extreme environments than the city 
> streets. In fact if you enbiggen the picture there are numerous tip offs 
> that this is not a dept. Store bike.
> The wheels are REALLY nice, carbon fiber spokes maybe? On closer 
> inspection I'd say carbon fiber frame as well. I doubt Bogata is the brand, 
> she's advertising her city and Dollars to Donuts that's a custom paint job. 
> My guess is that for what that bike cost, she could get a CUSTOM Rivendell. 

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[RBW] Re: Are Riv Sliver shifter + Paul thumibe days over?

[Wally Estrella]

I had checked w/ Paul a year or so agothis was from Gary the sales 
fellow
"Rivendell ended up being the only entity that ordered them, and even then 
it took several years for them to eventually buy the whole last run, so 
from a financial standpoint I don’t think we can do it."

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 7:50:54 AM UTC-4, Rob Kristoff wrote:
>
> Justin, 
> Have you contacted Paul? They often seem to do special request kinda 
> things for customers. I doubt they'd make new ones, but could very well 
> have a few somewhere that aren't worth listing on the website. Can't hurt 
> to ask.
>
> Rob
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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Mark Roland]

+! Show them what a well-designed bike can do. You do not need front 
suspension to do an off road ride with some singletrack. Or to go fast on 
that singletrack. Take off your fenders if so equipped, put on the fat 
knobbies, and don't look back!

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
> You should feel confident that you and it will be fine. You'll likely be 
> the fastest for fear of not being, but don't let that or anything else get 
> in the way of being the funhavingiest (with rhythm).
> -Kai

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[RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

You should feel confident that you and it will be fine. You'll likely be the 
fastest for fear of not being, but don't let that or anything else get in the 
way of being the funhavingiest (with rhythm).
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Are Riv Sliver shifter + Paul thumibe days over?

[Rob Kristoff]

Justin, 
Have you contacted Paul? They often seem to do special request kinda things for 
customers. I doubt they'd make new ones, but could very well have a few 
somewhere that aren't worth listing on the website. Can't hurt to ask.

Rob

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Re: [RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Eric Daume]

As a mountain biker and former Clem owner, the Clem wouldn’t be my first
choice to hang with my fast riding buddies on their full sus bikes.  It
doesn’t have the confidence inspiring feeling of my Jones LWB. For a
mellower group or solo ride, it would be ok. The Clem is going to attract
some attention as such an oddball bike, though.

Eric

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
wrote:

> Hi there - first time poster
> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side
> of Mesopotamia...
>
> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out
> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>
> So what do you think?
> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike?
>
> Many thanks,
> gk
>
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[RBW] Bike Trivia Night at Analog Cycles: Tonight on Instagram Live

[James / Analog Cycles]

Tonight (5/7) at 8 EST! Test your bike trivia prowess at our first Trivia 
night. Prizes of dubious quality! Bragging rights around the virtual water 
cooler! Hard questions! Easy questions! Learn something. Or don't, who 
cares! Join up at 8pm on Instagram Live, we'll register ya between 8-8:10, 
and then trivia begins. First second and third place prizes, plus bonus 
point prizes. Instagram.com/analogcycles

Questions will range from mtn bike to touring to racing to parts trivia, 
and other stuff further afield. 

Hope to see you there! 

-James / analog cycles

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[RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Joe Bernard]

Oops, my terminology is confused there. Your bike is a rigid, hardtail is a 
front suspension bike. Keeping up WILL be an issue if they're running 
suspension forks. 

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[RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Joe Bernard]

Welcome! Clem H is indeed a stout Hillibike, it was designed as a 
you-can-buy-one-new replacement for all the late-'80s-to-mid-'90s steel 
hardtails that used to be cheap on the secondhand market but are now kinda 
pricey to get back to new condition because they're all 25-35 years old now. 

So yes it will hold up to that type of riding. Will you keep up with your 
buddies? That's hard to say without a clearer picture of what they're riding, 
but you won't break your bike. Have fun!

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Scott Lutz]

Oh man, I have a lot of stories about self-teaching myself bicycle 
mechanics. A few years ago I found a NOS Panasonic lugged mountain bike 
frame. It didn't have a fork. I paid all of 40 bucks for it at a bike swap. 
I bought a chrome Tange fork with a 1" threaded steer tube and a cheap 
Tange headset. I installed the headset (something I had done plenty of 
times before), it felt off, but I built up the rest of the bike with spare 
parts anyway. I took it out for a spin and while the bike rode great, the 
headset was really tight if I spun it one way and it would loosen when I 
spun it the other way. I took the front end apart, re-installed it, and the 
same thing kept happening. If you have ever looked at the cheapest Tange 
headset installation instructions, they are photocopy quality and small. I 
new something was wrong but I had done everything correctly. I gave up on 
the project for the time being. 
Every once in a while that bike would look at me funny and I'd throw it 
in the stand and tear down the headset, look at the instructions, and put 
it back together. It never went together correctly. I figured it was a bad 
headset and planned on buying a new one some day. Well, someday I did and 
as I unpacked the new part from the box, I noted that the bottom bearing 
cage was reverse of how I had it installed on the other headset. I looked 
at the instructions again, this time like a magic eye poster, I could see 
it...there was a slightly darker line on the bottom indicating the the cage 
should be oriented up. I loosened the headset nut, flipped the bearing 
cage, put the fork back in, tightened it all up, and smooth as butter. 
I have had the same issue with IKEA instructions. I am not a visual 
learner.

On my very first good adult bike I installed a rear rack and fenders 
with the fender stays outside the rack struts. An elder kindly pointed out 
that there may be a better way. 

I used to think I had to wait until a patch on an tube was dry enough 
to pull the plastic cover off. I took forever to patch a tire. A kindly 
elder pointed out that there is no need to remove it, you just throw it in 
the tire and go. 

   The first wheel I ever built was terrible in so many ways. The worst 
part was this: I had a friend crashing in my pantry and he had some bike 
tools. He showed me how to lace a wheel and gave me general instructions on 
how to build it. "Get the spokes tight but don't strip the nipples." Okay, 
I grabbed the spoke wrench in his kit and got to work. At a certain point I 
could feel the spoke wrench starting to slip so I finished truing, 
stressing, repeat. Cool, done. The wheel would not stay true, were wobbly, 
flexy, and just awful. I kept throwing it in the stand and trying to fix 
it. It was only after some bike shop stalking that I noticed that there 
were different color spoke wrenches. I casually asked the shop keep what 
the difference was. Oh, of course, there are different sized spoke nipples. 
I had borrowed the red Park Tool wrench, I needed the black one. Yikes. 

   

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Re: [RBW] 56 Sam Hillborne

[Hayden]

This has been sold



On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 7:00:54 AM UTC-7, Hayden wrote:
>
> So this bike is now still for sale.
>
> Let me know if anyone was still interested.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-8, Applegate wrote:
>>
>> I've been prowling around in the weeds (emails) on this thing hoping the 
>> sell wouldn't go through for the past couple of weeks. Whoever is the 
>> pending purchaser really lucked out with a patient salesperson.
>>
>> On Monday, 24 February 2020 10:21:35 UTC-8, Hayden wrote:
>>>
>>> Sale is pending I can keep you up dated if it doesn’t come through.
>>>
>>> -H
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Scott Wolfe  wrote:
>>>
>>> did it sell?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:57:44 AM UTC-8, Hayden wrote:

 Sale is pending

 On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:20:42 AM UTC-8, Hayden wrote:
>
> Hey all, 
>
> Selling my Hillborne, located in Los Angeles. Bike is in good 
> condition one minor ding on top tube from a bar end(see photo) and some 
> other slight scuffs but nothing major.
>
>
> Please ask any and all questions. Saddle not included. Can sell rack 
> along with if requested. Buyer can cover shipping and packing. 
>
> Asking $1400
>
>
> -Rivendell Billie Bars
> -nitto stem
> -silver shifters
> -paul levers
> -fsa headset
> -sugino xd2 wide low double
> -VP-015 pedals
> -nitto rear cable hanger
> -paul racer brakes, silver
> -deore rear derailer
> -shimano cx70 front derailer
> -shimano bb
> -700c wheelset- sun cr18 rims, deore hubs, 36h, 8spd cassette
> -700x42 shikoro tires 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Bh3x9HbQ1a4W7FW9wwgVSwja0qke8uSe
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[RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[theenchantingwizardofrhythm]

Hi there - first time poster 
and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side 
of Mesopotamia...

I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out for 
a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.

So what do you think?
Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike? 

Many thanks,
gk


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[RBW] FS/WTT Nitto Moustache 26.0, 650x33 Maxy Fastys, Paul levers

[Brendan Willard]

Hello All,

I picked up a Bleriot and will be replacing a few things.

Nitto Moustache RM-016 26.0mm - $25 + shipping

Paul E-Levers 23.8 clamp - $70/pair + shipping

Rivendell Maxy Fasty 650B / 584 x 33c Folding Tires x 2 Used less than 500 
miles - $40/pair + shipping
trade for 650x42 tires, non-aero levers, or...?

pics-> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OdamjmbkSLpIY2IzoQ3-hUJdB-goGnNB

Thanks!
Brendan
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[RBW] WTB Brooks C17 Orange /Rust Saddle

[Rick VerHoeven tjg]

Found Rust. Still open to an orange. 

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