date:20200613

But green kills on a Quickbeam. It's almost *supposed* to be that color. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

I hear ya, S, I'm trying to be a more positive fellow on this forum these days, 
too. For excellent raging negativity please see my Twitter account. I don't 
recommend it! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

Off-topic, again, but, just to clarify, I deleted my comments because I 
want to try and be positive online. My comments couldn't be a help to 
anyone, solved no problem, and illuminated no important issues. Also, in 
regard to small businesses, I believe in voting with your wallet. It's one 
thing to say, for example, "Don't buy that stem, it can break," and another 
to question the expertise or sincerity of the people at a company. For all 
I know, the people at the company in question read this forum, it's 
actually fairly likely, and wouldn't it be a bummer for them to read what I 
wrote? 

Anyway, energy is limited, may as well try to use it for positive ends. 

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> FWIW, while I disagree, I didn't think your comments were out of place. 
> Vive la difference!
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

Orange and red cables! I'm down with this..do it, LWL!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

As long as we're dreaming I vote for the QB decals (no cream headtube) on my 
Dove Gray without the red. When I designed the scheme on my bike I was really 
into the red and saw the gray as kind of a backdrop for it. Now that I've lived 
with it a while I've really grown enamored of the gray itself, it's WAY more 
alluring in person than shows up in photos.  

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne

Ha, After just seeing Christopher Murray’s HunqaGreen QB I think I retract my 
“no cream headtube with cream QB badge statement” but now knowing there’s one 
currently out there in that exact color scheme I’m not sure if seeing it and 
wanting to duplicate it exactly outweighs the desire to paint my hypothetical 
one something else entirely unique or vice versa?

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[RBW] Feeler: 62cm Appaloosa

2020-06-13 Thread Reid Echols

Hi folks, 

I’ve been riding and enjoying it for a while, but a recently acquired 68cm 
Atlantis has me considering parting with my 62cm Appaloosa in blue. Probably 
just the frameset but I can probably include some extras if you need something 
to get the build going? I see that Riv didn’t do a 62 in the latest run, or in 
the upcoming Sam batch, so if you’re looking, let me know. I’m thinking in the 
neighborhood of $1000 shipped.

Some photos here: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4VvR6ijD9XtkQcbHwHo8YAi-TzbGGBu

Reid in Austin 

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-13 Thread Ray Varella

You’re an outlaw Leah. 
I just have one question, 
How will you be able to form a gang with your rivsisters?
I guess you could be the Ironic Misanthropes. 


At some point, you are going to look at your bike and wonder how to add more 
color. 
Cables, pedal, grips and water bottle cages would be my suggestion. 
A friend powder coated my water bottle cages for my Riv tandem. 


Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

Agreed, V-O came up and I offered an opinion. It didn't feel like an argument 
to me worthy of anyone else having to delete their POV. 

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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne

If I were getting a custom QB but with original cream decals I’d probably have
just as hard a time choosing. Having kinda lusted for a 68cmQB (or custom
equivalent) I’ve pondered this before and here are a few in no particular order:

I’ve really liked the Hunqapillar-Pea-green or “Jay’s Green” (as I think
they’ve maybe called it) and the more recent dark, shimmering, “Chameleon
Green” of Cheviot & Clems but I’ve only seen these in photos and never in
person.

I’m also a fan of that creamy ‘Sage green’ they’ve had on later Sam’s and
Cheviots, but I think they’ve varied somewhat from batch to batch, if I
remember correctly... unless I’m just confused and thinking of sage vs the
Betty Foy blue?

Atlantis blue-green... Haven’t seen one in person but I think I’d really enjoy
an Atlantis colored QB but would skip the cream headtube with the cream filled
QB badge.

Mustard/Butterscotch is what I have on my 65cm Clem and I love it but would
personally choose something else for a custom painted QB to complement my own
Clem.

I’d be more inclined to go with a pale-ish or creamy pink if I had the later
blue decals of the Silver gen QB... Or anything on the lighter side to contrast
with the darker decals. But there’s a certain kind of sunset-kissed-cloud
shade of pink that comes to mind. With the cream filled and gold lettered
decals I’d likely choose something different and darker.

Just looked and there’s some great stuff on the Black Magic galleries on their
webpage... have fun choosing and may you have even more fun riding once all is
said and done!

Best,
Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

FWIW, while I disagree, I didn't think your comments were out of place.
Vive la difference!

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Christopher Murray

Hunqa green! And despite my best efforts this bike remains unbuilt and new 
in the box. Someday I’ll find the time.

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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Max S

The Japanese color palette is just lovely. Highly recommend. Check out some 
Ebisu bikes for examples of how it looks on a bike. 

- Max “pea soup green, oxidized mustard, ox blood, periwinkle, light gray, 
burnt orange...” in A2

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Re: [RBW] Tubulars on Rivendells

2020-06-13 Thread Max S

Well... a few (somewhat) younger folks still riding them, I should hope, self
included!

I’ve ridden tubulars off and on for ~25 years now, mostly 22 mm road tires. In
the last 3-4 years, I’ve been really enjoying 32 mm Vittoria XN, intended for
dry hardpack cross courses, riding them on a mix of dirt roads and paved roads.
I recently also tried a clincher version of the same tire, albeit with butyl
tubes (the sewups have latex). They’re nice, but the sewups are cushier and the
whole wheelset is a bit lighter, FWIW.

If you’re a handy and curious sort and haven’t tried tubulars, I do recommend
giving them a try. Plenty of rim brake wheels should be available for
relatively cheap, as folks switch to disc brakes and tubeless, and high quality
tires 27 mm and wider are available for good prices. If you’d like to get a
racer-y type of bike with narrow clearances to handle a wider range of terrain,
or give it more comfort, tubulars with latex tubes may be a good way to go.

Sourcing tubulars from the UK shops used to be very cost-effective (e.g. 4+ at
a time), but even Excel offers decent prices from time to time. For glue, I
recommend Mastik 1, which has been found in a scientific study to work best.
(Carogna tubular mounting tape has been popular lately, for its relative speed
and cleanliness, but I enjoy the meditative hour or so it takes to refresh the
glue in a rim, a couple of coats on the tires, and mounting.)

Enjoy the ride!

- Max “old skool” in A2

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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Birdman,
I strongly suggest you go with a cool green.  A splash of metallic would be a 
bonus.  
I also would discourage you from a contrasting cream head tube; just my 
personal bias but factors in significant upgrade cost usually $100+.  My 
suggestion would be to consider pinstripe outlining the lugs.  More bling for 
you buck.  Not to mention you could do it yourself and bond with the big Ent.

Ryan 
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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

Hunqapillar..yep, that was an inspiration! (My story left out a couple steps 
cuz it wasn't pertinent to helping you on this thread). It was originally a 
color Joe Bell did for Mark Abele which later got on the first-gen Hunqs..I've 
always loved that bike. Then I saw the lighter version of those colors on a 
Kirk frame and here we are!

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[RBW] Zepfal HPX size for 55cm Bleriot

2020-06-13 Thread Joel Stern

My Zefals have gone missing, I think I would need q size 3. Any one know 
for sure?

thanks

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

Deleted my comments. They were off-topic and not constructive. 

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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Birdman

Thanks for chiming in y’all. I’m enjoying imagining all of your suggestions. 
I’m strongly leaning green without a cream head tube at this point.

Joe, thanks for sharing your paint selection process. I absolutely love how 
your custom came out! It reminds me of one of the old Bombadil color schemes. 
Or am I thinking Hunq?

Isaac

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-13 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Craig

Just remember to shim the level to center the bubble. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:35:44 PM UTC-4, Craig Montgomery wrote:
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> This whole angle app thing is really great. Never knew it existed. Thanks 
> for the tip John. I'm about to become an angle maniac. 
>
> Craig in Tucson
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>> Bill
>> I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good.  I would just 
>> check using a 2' bubble level.
>>
>> Place the level on a table and shim the level to get the bubble 
>> centered.  Then place the phone on it to see if it reads 0.0°.  I not it 
>> has a small offset you can account for.  You could also check it with a 
>> square on the level and it should read 90° or a 30-60 right drafting 
>> triangle on the level.
>>
>> I zero my Wixely 3000 digitial angle finder on a shimmed level.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve never paid any attention to STA but all the discussions I’ve seen 
>>> of it has me curious.  I just found this video on an angle finder app for 
>>> smart phones - https://youtu.be/zNuGgBwirQ4 
>>>
>>> I think I’ll have to check it out. 
>>>
>>> Bill S
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-13 Thread Leah Peterson

Oh Ryan, you think too kindly of me. Here’s a recent photo. Cooling UV 
protectant sleeves, robot Oakleys, goofy helmet...I am trending toward Lone 
Wolf and away from Bicycle Belle, I fear...

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> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Leah,
> I don’t buy it.  The Lone Wolf bearded cyclist would just keep sipping his 
> beverage of choice and happily share his floatie with a bug.  Say what you 
> wish; view yourself anyway you want, but you will forever be simply a 
> #rivsister and #bicyclingbelle and we would not want it any other way.
> 
> Thanks for your many contribution to all things bike and Riv.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Ryan “the bike collector” Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-13 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah,
I don’t buy it.  The Lone Wolf bearded cyclist would just keep sipping his 
beverage of choice and happily share his floatie with a bug.  Say what you 
wish; view yourself anyway you want, but you will forever be simply a 
#rivsister and #bicyclingbelle and we would not want it any other way.

Thanks for your many contribution to all things bike and Riv.

Sincerely,

Ryan “the bike collector” Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-13 Thread Craig Montgomery

This whole angle app thing is really great. Never knew it existed. Thanks
for the tip John. I'm about to become an angle maniac.

Craig in Tucson

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> Bill
> I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good.  I would just
> check using a 2' bubble level.
>
> Place the level on a table and shim the level to get the bubble centered.
> Then place the phone on it to see if it reads 0.0°.  I not it has a small
> offset you can account for.  You could also check it with a square on the
> level and it should read 90° or a 30-60 right drafting triangle on the
> level.
>
> I zero my Wixely 3000 digitial angle finder on a shimmed level.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> I’ve never paid any attention to STA but all the discussions I’ve seen of
>> it has me curious.  I just found this video on an angle finder app for
>> smart phones - https://youtu.be/zNuGgBwirQ4
>>
>> I think I’ll have to check it out.
>>
>> Bill S
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[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-13 Thread dougP

Dave's problem looks to be solved.  I do want to throw in a couple of 
things about Tubus racks:

1.  The quoted 165 mm fork tip to mid-fork is what Tubus uses.  It is a 
commonly used dimension but hardly universal.  Case in point being Bruce 
Gordon racks. The mid fork mount MUST be correctly located for the Duo to 
sit level.  While the Duo has 3 mounting holes, the adjustment is limited.

2. An advantage of the Tara is it can be used with a bolt on mid fork 
mount.  No eyelet needed.

3.  "Hoopless is hopeless" is a myth, despite being Bruce's stand on the 
question.  The main tube on the Duo is a much larger diameter, and hence 
inherently stiffer, than the tubing on the Tara, which has the hoop.  They 
actually weigh about the same.  The Duo is stiff enough without the hoop.  
I've used it with Ortlieb large back rollers, stuffed full for a lodging 
trip.  The panniers are intended for rear mount & so have limited ground 
clearance.  OK on pavement; not good on trails.

dougP, (hopelessly hoopless)

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 7:25:33 PM UTC-7, Brett Callahan wrote:
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> Curious as to what lowriders people are using on Atlantii. Bonus points 
> for pix.  
>
> Brett in pdx
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[RBW] WTB: Affordable commuter bar and front quick release

2020-06-13 Thread CMR

Finishing up a loaner bike and just need these two to finish the build. 
This is a budget build so used is good! Prefer silver 25.4 bars, something 
like Soma Oxfords. Any cheap 100mm front quick release works too. A bit 
random but I need the barrel adjuster/housing stop for a Shimano rear 
derailleur in case you have random parts hanging around! I am in East SF 
Bay and can pick up locally.

Thanks!
Chris
Hayward, CA

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[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-13 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

I thought the 'standard' mounting point on the fork was 165mm from the fork 
dropout.   Bruce Gordon used 7" (178mm) for his front rack, and Waterford 
used his spacing in the late 90's and early 2000's.

The RBW braze-ons look too high to fit the racks without odd looking 
backward tilt.  They should have used 2 braze-ons:  1 for the low rider and 
1 for the front rack (mounted higher),  penny-wise, pound foolish

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Is that lower-rear mount on the fork really for low rider racks? It looks 
> like a high-mount for fender stays to me. 

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[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

Is that lower-rear mount on the fork really for low rider racks? It looks like 
a high-mount for fender stays to me. 

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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

"I quite liked the run of blue Hillbornes that missed the cream bits."

There was a green "mistake" run like this around 2010-11, too..it reminded me 
of an early Porsche 911 color. I thought that solid no-cream green looked 
amazing. 

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

2020-06-13 Thread maxcr

Charles river ride from Cambridge, MA to Watertown. 
Max

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 3:19:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
> 6/13/20: ~24 mile acequia ditchbank trail and road ride, perhaps 18 miles 
> dirt. Cooler -- mid 80s, breeze moderate, surfaces hardish from recent rains 
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> got a chance to use the plugs I'd been carrying around for 2K miles; worked 
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> per 60 X 752 mm tire replenished every 3 -5 months depending on weather,) OS 
> Endurance, which when it dries inside leaves an internal skin which is 
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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Ian A

I can get mesmerized by certain colours. As a child and spending time with my 
dad in Paris, I used to see small Fiats in pastel torquoise and still love that 
colour today. Pink has always been uninteresting to me and I actively abhor 
purple hues.

Greens and blues, metallic or flat, would be on my short list. No cream panels 
for me though. I quite liked the run of blue Hillbornes that missed the cream 
bits. The colour and the uniformity were attractive.

I also really like a bicycle in black. Surly's Long Haul Trucker in 
"Blacktackular" appeals to me.

Any colour you like will be right though.

IanA Alberta Canada.

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[RBW] Re: Golden Pliers Roadini Raffle

2020-06-13 Thread Evan E.

Congratulations, Eric! Beautiful bike (love that orange paint). Good cause!

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[RBW] Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

6/13/20: ~24 mile acequia ditchbank trail and road ride, perhaps 18 miles
dirt. Cooler -- mid 80s, breeze moderate, surfaces hardish from recent
rains -- nice change from the usual dry weather sand.

I picked up a roofing nail in the front tire; sealant almost sealed it, but
I got a chance to use the plugs I'd been carrying around for 2K miles;
worked like a charm.

Working strategy for tubeless flats: Minimal amounts of sealant (~ 2 fl oz
per 60 X 752 mm tire replenished every 3 -5 months depending on weather,)
OS Endurance, which when it dries inside leaves an internal skin which is
protection from thorns in itself; plus plugs.



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[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-13 Thread Dave Johnston

Here is my last experiment the new Tubus Grand Expedition front. While it 
can be physically mounted to the low rider braze-on it doesn't really 
work.  You would really want to mount the rack lower and use a P-clamp 
around the fork legs or the Tubus LM-1 clamp on mount. I plan on using this 
rack on a Clem H with the LM-1 clamp. It also has a diving board type mount 
from the top platform to the fork crown.

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[RBW] Re: Platypus Excitment on IG

2020-06-13 Thread Pancake

Excited for the platypus! Here is the graphic isolated, I’m ready to call mine 
Sonar (like Elmo’s teddy bear, Radar)!

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> Whatever you think of the name, the decals are really great. If you aren’t on 
> Instagram, this is what you’re missing out on!
> 
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> Per Rivendell’s IG account, see photos...

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Robert Tilley

The component choice could affect color choice as well. Silver components look 
good on most colors but black components don't always fit. 

I have a sage pea green sage All Rounder and really like it. I think it's a 
classic Riv look. I did always like the original Riv Silver blue metallic as 
well.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA



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Hey Bunch,

The bottom bracket shell replacement on my Quickbeam is going well and it will 
be headed to wet paint at Black Magic Paint next week. I could use some advice.

For a while I had planned on going with a version of Mark’s custom pink. Next I 
was convinced that it should be a PurpleRiv purple. Then I settled on a very 
slightly metallic British Racing Green, as an homage to the original QB green 
and the to Ents the world over.

Now that the time has come, I’m not so sure anymore. Also, I’m slightly color 
blind, so colors are not my strong suit.

Design constraints:
1. I can go with a single coat, or add a 2nd color for the head tube.
2. It will sport the original decals and head badge (gold with cream).
3. I want it to be a color that’s in keeping with the Riv aesthetic and color 
pallet.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Isaac in Portland OR

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[RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread lambbo

isaac, how exciting!  the pink is so excellent, and a purple would be 
outstanding, especially if it were desaturated slightly to be a kind of purple 
grey. 

however, when it comes down to it you want a forever color, and it is perhaps 
undisputed that the sparkly green will forever be incredible. 

 both pink and purple go very well with green, if done right (desaturated, 
again), so i’d recommend making your head tube a light, dusty-brownish-pink, 
like the flesh of a tree, or ENT.  that would be subtle (almost cream from a 
distance) but noticeably beautiful, and very customized. 

i’m considering this now for my cheviot! 

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[RBW] Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-13 Thread Brett Callahan

As always this forum is a wealth of information.  I looked locally for Tubus 
and failed to find it, then strongly considered the Blue Lug racks, u til I saw 
shipping costs, then found that Riv has the hub area rack in stock.  That's 
what I've ordered.  Appreciate everyone's help and input! 
Cheers, 
brett

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

I didn't say the parts weren't well made. The headsets, cranks, etc, look 
nice. But I feel that the design thinking at places such as Riv, Crust, 
Black Mountain, etc, is deeper and comes from a more authentic place. VO 
seem like trend followers to me. Which, whatever, who cares. Just not the 
kind of place I like. 

As for originality, *of course*, Grant didn't invent the cyclocross bike or 
touring bike. *Of course* he was inspired by other things. But I would say 
he put way more thought, way more from-the-ground-up thinking into those 
bikes than anything VO has ever done.

Again, though, who cares. I am not telling anyone not to buy VO. If you 
like their stuff, great. 

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I disagree. VO is clearly more of a “business” business, and much of their 
> stuff is made to a price point, but most of it is made with a purpose more 
> than revenue,  is well designed and manufactured, and developed by people 
> who live bicycles. As for copying, it sure didn’t start with VO—the Roadeo, 
> all rounder, Legolas, even Atlantis didn’t grow fully developed from 
> Grant’s brain.
>
> Patrick Moore
> iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2020, at 11:30 AM, S > wrote:
>
> Some of their parts look OK, but I have always felt that VO lacks . . . 
> heart and originality. That's the nicest way I can say it. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:47:32 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually 
>> made more cheaply and at a lower price point.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell <
>> bdcamp...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> VO is offering something similar:
>>
>> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html
>>
>> Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-13 Thread A. Douglas M.

I agree, Joe! They’re awesome people, and they make really fun and functional 
parts and bikes that I can actually afford!

Grant brings a lot of really cool designs back into the mainstream, and I’m 
grateful for that. VO proves there is room in the market for companies in the 
same innovative, practical manner.

Best,

Aaron

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

The current owners of V-O are lovely people making really neat stuff including 
the Neutrino mini velo, a bike nobody asked for and no market study would have 
recommended. They did it anyway! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

I disagree. VO is clearly more of a “business” business, and much of their 
stuff is made to a price point, but most of it is made with a purpose more than 
revenue,  is well designed and manufactured, and developed by people who live 
bicycles. As for copying, it sure didn’t start with VO—the Roadeo, all rounder, 
Legolas, even Atlantis didn’t grow fully developed from Grant’s brain.

Patrick Moore
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> On Jun 13, 2020, at 11:30 AM, S  wrote:
> 
> Some of their parts look OK, but I have always felt that VO lacks . . . heart 
> and originality. That's the nicest way I can say it. 
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:47:32 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>> VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually 
>> made more cheaply and at a lower price point.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> VO is offering something similar:
>> 
>> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html
>> 
>> Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

A much longer answer to why I posted my bike's colors:

I found that having the option of doing whatever color(s) I wanted was actually
kind of paralyzing and took a lot of time..there's too many! I had a friend as
a sounding board for ideas, which is similar to what this thread is..that was
helpful. You may not end up with any color we recommend, but the ideas may
expand your possibilities.

Looking at galleries of other paintjobs was the next step and this is how I
settled on my colors. In my case I was focused on Joe Bell's work because he
was my painter, but I recommend his site for anyone planning bike paint. I had
noticed his work on Kirkframes' Instagram, then meandered over to joebell.net
and founded entire galleries of Kirks. There's so many to look at and it
really helped me visualize what was possible. That particular direction may be
even more helpful to you because your bike hews closer to the classic road bike
look of Kirk's frames than mine does.

One thing to be cognizant of is those Quickbeam decals have a whole lotta cream
and gold in them, they're not going to blend well with just any color. Green
definitely works, I was always on the fence about the orange one, and once I
saw yellow which I uhhh didn't get. Choose well and good luck!

Joe "Homer Blue is nice, too" Bernard

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

Some of their parts look OK, but I have always felt that VO lacks . . . 
heart and originality. That's the nicest way I can say it. 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:47:32 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually 
> made more cheaply and at a lower price point.
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell <
> bdcamp...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>
>
> VO is offering something similar:
>
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html
>
> Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-13 Thread Ray Varella

Velotaxonomy for the win Leah. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread christian poppell

Typo

"A cream color to match the background of the *decal*"

Christian
Berkeley, CA

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 9:53:12 AM UTC-7, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Hey Issac,
>
> I like your thinking on the green! Its a good homage to both Quickbeam the 
> bike and the Tree. A cream color to match the background of the detail 
> would be very nice and in line with riv paint schemes. 
>
> In the end its your bike and it will be great whatever you end up doing. 
>
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>>
>> Hey Bunch, 
>>
>> The bottom bracket shell replacement on my Quickbeam is going well and it 
>> will be headed to wet paint at Black Magic Paint next week. I could use 
>> some advice. 
>>
>> For a while I had planned on going with a version of Mark’s custom pink. 
>> Next I was convinced that it should be a PurpleRiv purple. Then I settled 
>> on a very slightly metallic British Racing Green, as an homage to the 
>> original QB green and the to Ents the world over. 
>>
>> Now that the time has come, I’m not so sure anymore. Also, I’m slightly 
>> color blind, so colors are not my strong suit. 
>>
>> Design constraints: 
>> 1. I can go with a single coat, or add a 2nd color for the head tube. 
>> 2. It will sport the original decals and head badge (gold with cream). 
>> 3. I want it to be a color that’s in keeping with the Riv aesthetic and 
>> color pallet. 
>>
>> Any thoughts or recommendations? 
>>
>> Isaac in Portland OR
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread christian poppell

Hey Issac,

I like your thinking on the green! Its a good homage to both Quickbeam the 
bike and the Tree. A cream color to match the background of the detail 
would be very nice and in line with riv paint schemes. 

In the end its your bike and it will be great whatever you end up doing. 

Christian
Berkeley, CA

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch, 
>
> The bottom bracket shell replacement on my Quickbeam is going well and it 
> will be headed to wet paint at Black Magic Paint next week. I could use 
> some advice. 
>
> For a while I had planned on going with a version of Mark’s custom pink. 
> Next I was convinced that it should be a PurpleRiv purple. Then I settled 
> on a very slightly metallic British Racing Green, as an homage to the 
> original QB green and the to Ents the world over. 
>
> Now that the time has come, I’m not so sure anymore. Also, I’m slightly 
> color blind, so colors are not my strong suit. 
>
> Design constraints: 
> 1. I can go with a single coat, or add a 2nd color for the head tube. 
> 2. It will sport the original decals and head badge (gold with cream). 
> 3. I want it to be a color that’s in keeping with the Riv aesthetic and 
> color pallet. 
>
> Any thoughts or recommendations? 
>
> Isaac in Portland OR

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts fabric?

2020-06-13 Thread Harald Kliems

Thanks, Garth. That's very helpful. I'll just order some swatches of 
different supplex/taslan and see what looks/feels right. Will report back.
 Harald.

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:55:08 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Supplex nylon , sometimes referred to taslan nylon, those are the fabrics 
> you're looking for Harald. They come in 2, and 4-ply with the higher the 
> ply the stronger and more durable. Which one to choose ?  You got me !  
> Every manufacturer has their secret sources and specs you know and thus all 
> are not created alike. The online fabric suppliers may be able help you 
> more than I in that regard. 
>
> Do a search for :  " supplex nylon by the yard "  and you'll see a host of 
> outdoor fabric suppliers. 
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts fabric?

2020-06-13 Thread Garth


Supplex nylon , sometimes referred to taslan nylon, those are the fabrics 
you're looking for Harald. They come in 2, and 4-ply with the higher the 
ply the stronger and more durable. Which one to choose ?  You got me !  
Every manufacturer has their secret sources and specs you know and thus all 
are not created alike. The online fabric suppliers may be able help you 
more than I in that regard. 

Do a search for :  " supplex nylon by the yard "  and you'll see a host of 
outdoor fabric suppliers. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

2020-06-13 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Nice looking rack, but I think Bruce Gordon said "Hopeless is helpless".  
RBW even offers their low rider racks with a bolt on hoop.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ



On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 9:13:00 AM UTC-4, ed wrote:
>
> Here is their blog on the new S rack.
> https://bluelug.com/blog/global/s-rack/
>
> Ed Fausto
>
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:05 PM Dave Johnston  > wrote:
>
>> There are versions of the MIT Atlantis that have both Mark's rack 
>> braze-ons and Low rider braze-ons.
>> Probably can't go wrong with a Tubus Tara.
>> I can double check to see if a Tubus Duo or Grand expedition will work 
>> sometime this weekend. I have a 53cm still in the box.
>> Pic from Rivendell website:
>>
>>
>> [image: Rivendell-New-Atlantis-Touring-Bicycle-Square-10_1600x.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ryan Nute wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug, how does it attach to the fork blades?  I thought Atlantii didn't 
>>> have lowrider mounts.
>>>
>>> Ryan
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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-13 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Bill
I think those phone apps angle finders are pretty good.  I would just check 
using a 2' bubble level.

Place the level on a table and shim the level to get the bubble centered.  
Then place the phone on it to see if it reads 0.0°.  I not it has a small 
offset you can account for.  You could also check it with a square on the 
level and it should read 90° or a 30-60 right drafting triangle on the 
level.

I zero my Wixely 3000 digitial angle finder on a shimmed level.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
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> I’ve never paid any attention to STA but all the discussions I’ve seen of 
> it has me curious.  I just found this video on an angle finder app for 
> smart phones - https://youtu.be/zNuGgBwirQ4 
>
> I think I’ll have to check it out. 
>
> Bill S

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[RBW] MUSA Shorts fabric?

2020-06-13 Thread Harald Kliems

I love my (old model) MUSA Shorts in many respects. But there are some fit 
issues/features that could still be a little better, and it also seems the 
(new model) shorts have been out of stock for quite a while. My wonderfully 
skilled SO has offered to sew me a pair. One thing I really like about the 
shorts is the fabric: Nice texture, much more durable than any other 
materials I've tried, quick-dry, ... Does anybody know where I could buy 
this kind of fabric? Riv describe it as "quick dry textured nylon," but 
searching for that on various fabric websites doesn't really yield anything 
promising.
Any pointers would be appreciated.

 Harald in Madison (Wisc.)

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

2020-06-13 Thread Matt B.

I like Riv's mustard / autumn yellow.   I've seen it on a few customs, and 
think the original clementines also came in that color. 


On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:36:22 AM UTC-4, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch, 
>
> The bottom bracket shell replacement on my Quickbeam is going well and it 
> will be headed to wet paint at Black Magic Paint next week. I could use 
> some advice. 
>
> For a while I had planned on going with a version of Mark’s custom pink. 
> Next I was convinced that it should be a PurpleRiv purple. Then I settled 
> on a very slightly metallic British Racing Green, as an homage to the 
> original QB green and the to Ents the world over. 
>
> Now that the time has come, I’m not so sure anymore. Also, I’m slightly 
> color blind, so colors are not my strong suit. 
>
> Design constraints: 
> 1. I can go with a single coat, or add a 2nd color for the head tube. 
> 2. It will sport the original decals and head badge (gold with cream). 
> 3. I want it to be a color that’s in keeping with the Riv aesthetic and 
> color pallet. 
>
> Any thoughts or recommendations? 
>
> Isaac in Portland OR

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help