[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Joe Bernard]

Good eye, Willet. Of course one of the selling points Riv promotes about 
steel frames is they can be repaired so it doesn't mean this is a bad bike, 
but all that hullabaloo in the Craigslist copy should probably mention the 
history. Me-thinks! 

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-8 WilletM wrote:

>
> The CL bike does appear to be missing paint on the inside of the non-drive 
> seatstay just below the middle rack braze-on, which is the same location as 
> the damage and missing paint of Matthew's Appaloosa.  That would be the 
> clincher for me even more than some of the parts in common, which I imagine 
> is a very common occurrence on Riv's that are purchased as completes from 
> RBW.
>
> Willet M.
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 8:50:48 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> How do you know it’s the same bike?
>> It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of 
>> circumstances.”
>>
>> What non-profit did you mail it to?
>>
>> Philip
>> Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op 
>> won’t take a smashed bike. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. 
>>> Here’s what happened:
>>>
>>> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) 
>>> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS 
>>> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track 
>>> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been 
>>> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. 
>>>
>>> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over 
>>> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, 
>>> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of 
>>> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid 
>>> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, 
>>> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit 
>>> organization.
>>>
>>> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once 
>>> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has 
>>> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the 
>>> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing 
>>> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. 
>>>
>>> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an 
>>> informed decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone 
>>> to warn me. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The CL bike does appear to be missing paint on the inside of the non-drive 
seatstay just below the middle rack braze-on, which is the same location as 
the damage and missing paint of Matthew's Appaloosa.  That would be the 
clincher for me even more than some of the parts in common, which I imagine 
is a very common occurrence on Riv's that are purchased as completes from 
RBW.

Willet M.


On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 8:50:48 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> How do you know it’s the same bike?
> It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of 
> circumstances.”
>
> What non-profit did you mail it to?
>
> Philip
> Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op 
> won’t take a smashed bike. 
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. 
>> Here’s what happened:
>>
>> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) 
>> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS 
>> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track 
>> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been 
>> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. 
>>
>> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over 
>> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, 
>> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of 
>> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid 
>> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, 
>> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit 
>> organization.
>>
>> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once 
>> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has 
>> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the 
>> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing 
>> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. 
>>
>> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed 
>> decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn 
>> me. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Philip Williamson]

How do you know it’s the same bike?
It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of 
circumstances.”

What non-profit did you mail it to?

Philip
Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op 
won’t take a smashed bike. 


On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. Here’s 
> what happened:
>
> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) 
> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS 
> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track 
> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been 
> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. 
>
> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over 
> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, 
> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of 
> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid 
> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, 
> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit 
> organization.
>
> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once 
> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has 
> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the 
> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing 
> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. 
>
> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed 
> decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn 
> me. 
>
> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Joe Bernard]

Well that explains the new/narrower front wheel and a dynamo light with 
wires leading to nowhere cuz the dynamo is gone. Yikes! 

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. Here’s 
> what happened:
>
> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) 
> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS 
> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track 
> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been 
> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. 
>
> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over 
> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, 
> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of 
> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid 
> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, 
> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit 
> organization.
>
> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once 
> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has 
> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the 
> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing 
> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. 
>
> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed 
> decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn 
> me. 
>
> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

LOL, Joe!!!

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  On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 7:39 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:   
Needs more tags. 

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 6:36:13 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:


Presented without commentary. SFBay Craigslist ad: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/alameda-59-60cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7557541510.html
Fully quotated for posterity: “Hi, up for sale is a buttery scrumptious mustard 
cream super hero bike turned fast sold out Rivendell classic. It’s like the 
cosmic cool standout relative or friend that you just want to always be around. 
A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage but overall in great 
shape. It is size 60cm that I measure the toptube at 59cm (center to top) and 
toptube 59.5 center to center; it has 700c wheels and built light on the feet 
tho like a frickin tank. Great ride that eats up and then smiles on all 
terrains.

“If the Greek god Zeus rode a touring bike, it’d be a Rivendell and most 
likely, it’d be a Joe Appaloosa. Rivendell is straight forward with the Joe 
Appaloosa. First off, it’s named after a rather unique breed of horse, then, 
they took their two most famous touring bikes, the Sam Hillborne and the 
Hunqapillar, combined them and made one bad-ass road touring bike. These bikes 
are confidence-inspiring works of art, chiseled from stone and as timeless, or 
legendary as mythology. Ok, maybe that was too much… They’re just damn sexy!

“Those frames scream fully-loaded confidence with a fist-sized gap between the 
rear tire and seat tube, ensuring that even if you want to dive into a turn, 
this frame will take its own, secure and smooth line. Which is great for a 
touring or city bike. Loaded on descents, this long wheelbase makes for a 
predictable and comfortable ride.

“Or, to be more concise, the Appaloosa is:

“It’s not for stunts, boulder-bouncing, or loaded expeditionary off-road 
touring, but as a trail bike for sober non-yahoos who weigh less than 215lb, 
it’s ideal, perfect.. That 215lb isn’t a scientifically-derived number, just a 
hipshot suggestion based on the Joe having a heavier fork than Sam’s and 
lighter one than Hunqapillar’s.”

“For $2,250 complete, this bike could be yours and you’d have one of the most 
incredible looking touring and town bikes around. Why so much $ you may 
ask-Well this bike rocks and last one that sold on EBAY WENT FOR $4,000, tho 
admittedly a little better better components. 

“Find out more about this ride on Rivendell’s website or other online blogs. Or 
at the Rivendell Bicycle Works Fleet Headquarters in Walnut Creek

“Tags: Touring, Track, bmx, 6ku, golden, Mercier, Aventon, all city shinola, 
wabi harry bullitt, cruiser, womens, girls, mens, boys, Yeti, specilized, Santa 
Cruz, carbon, Rocky Mountain, 27.5, 29, trek, diamondback, norco, full 
suspension Trek Pivot cannondale Giant yeti Santa Cruz Bulls Riese Muller 
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Diamondback scott kona Trance remedy fuel slash anthem stance demo enduro reign 
Sram one by campy demo downhill trail 29 29er 650b 27.5 26 yamaha Levo Creo 
Enduro Specialized MTB Ebike e-bike eMTB E-mtb 700c carbon 9r 10r 11r 
specialized hotrock riprock hardtail crosstrail ariel sirrus vita slope 
slopestyle dirt jumper dirtjumper DJ fx sport 3 4 5 6 dual sport verve escape 
Trek Domane Cannondale Synapse Boardman Allied Alfa Giant TCR BMC Teammachine 
SLR01 Jamis Renegade Diamondback Podium Vitesse 3T Strada diverge Giant Defy 
OPEN U.P.P.E.R. allez Kona Rove Canyon Ultimate CF SLX tarmac sworks s works 
s-works Liv Langma pinarello dogma Raleigh revere Fuji felt orbea salsa kestrel 
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Joe Bernard]

Needs more tags. 

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 6:36:13 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

>
> Presented without commentary. 
> SFBay Craigslist ad: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/alameda-59-60cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7557541510.html
>
> Fully quotated for posterity: 
> “Hi, up for sale is a buttery scrumptious mustard cream super hero bike 
> turned fast sold out Rivendell classic. It’s like the cosmic cool standout 
> relative or friend that you just want to always be around. 
> A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage but overall in great 
> shape. It is size 60cm that I measure the toptube at 59cm (center to top) 
> and toptube 59.5 center to center; it has 700c wheels and built light on 
> the feet tho like a frickin tank. Great ride that eats up and then smiles 
> on all terrains.
>
> “If the Greek god Zeus rode a touring bike, it’d be a Rivendell and most 
> likely, it’d be a Joe Appaloosa. Rivendell is straight forward with the Joe 
> Appaloosa. First off, it’s named after a rather unique breed of horse, 
> then, they took their two most famous touring bikes, the Sam Hillborne and 
> the Hunqapillar, combined them and made one bad-ass road touring bike. 
> These bikes are confidence-inspiring works of art, chiseled from stone and 
> as timeless, or legendary as mythology. Ok, maybe that was too much… 
> They’re just damn sexy!
>
> “Those frames scream fully-loaded confidence with a fist-sized gap between 
> the rear tire and seat tube, ensuring that even if you want to dive into a 
> turn, this frame will take its own, secure and smooth line. Which is great 
> for a touring or city bike. Loaded on descents, this long wheelbase makes 
> for a predictable and comfortable ride.
>
> “Or, to be more concise, the Appaloosa is:
>
> “It’s not for stunts, boulder-bouncing, or loaded expeditionary off-road 
> touring, but as a trail bike for sober non-yahoos who weigh less than 
> 215lb, it’s ideal, perfect.. That 215lb isn’t a scientifically-derived 
> number, just a hipshot suggestion based on the Joe having a heavier fork 
> than Sam’s and lighter one than Hunqapillar’s.”
>
> “For $2,250 complete, this bike could be yours and you’d have one of the 
> most incredible looking touring and town bikes around. Why so much $ you 
> may ask-Well this bike rocks and last one that sold on EBAY WENT FOR 
> $4,000, tho admittedly a little better better components. 
>
> “Find out more about this ride on Rivendell’s website or other online 
> blogs. Or at the Rivendell Bicycle Works Fleet Headquarters in Walnut Creek
>
> “Tags: Touring, Track, bmx, 6ku, golden, Mercier, Aventon, all city 
> shinola, wabi harry bullitt, cruiser, womens, girls, mens, boys, Yeti, 
> specilized, Santa Cruz, carbon, Rocky Mountain, 27.5, 29, trek, 
> diamondback, norco, full suspension Trek Pivot cannondale Giant yeti Santa 
> Cruz Bulls Riese Muller Haibike izip Focus KTM shimano fox powerfly Vado 
> Como Pedego Elevate Sonders full-e Canyon rocky mountain Kenevo Bmc nomad 
> bronsen Stumpjumper camber Levo Diamondback scott kona Trance remedy fuel 
> slash anthem stance demo enduro reign Sram one by campy demo downhill trail 
> 29 29er 650b 27.5 26 yamaha Levo Creo Enduro Specialized MTB Ebike e-bike 
> eMTB E-mtb 700c carbon 9r 10r 11r specialized hotrock riprock hardtail 
> crosstrail ariel sirrus vita slope slopestyle dirt jumper dirtjumper DJ fx 
> sport 3 4 5 6 dual sport verve escape Trek Domane Cannondale Synapse 
> Boardman Allied Alfa Giant TCR BMC Teammachine SLR01 Jamis Renegade 
> Diamondback Podium Vitesse 3T Strada diverge Giant Defy OPEN U.P.P.E.R. 
> allez Kona Rove Canyon Ultimate CF SLX tarmac sworks s works s-works Liv 
> Langma pinarello dogma Raleigh revere Fuji felt orbea salsa kestrel ridley 
> roadmachine pro comp sport ultegra 105 durace dura ace dura-ace di2 sora 
> apex red etap e tap e-tap wilier pinnacle roval cervelo dolce sequoia coda 
> bianchi amira madone awol crux langster shiv venge cyclocross gravel emonda 
> boone crockett checkpoint Schwinn Micargi Giant Dyno GT Electra Murray 
> Specialized Trek Raleigh Huffy Columbia Diamondback BMX Haro Ripper Redline 
> Kustom Kruiser Kruzer King Mongoose Phat 3G Ripper Flyer SE Greenline Magna 
> Nirve AddMotor, Benno, Bianchi, Breezer, Cervelo, Cyclekids, DelSol, 
> Diamondback, Evo, Felt, Fuji, Haro, Haven, IZIP, Jamis, Linus, Marin, Masi, 
> Norco, Orbea, Raleigh, Redline, Reid, Rocky Mountain, SE Bikes, Zipp, 
> Orange, Paul, Seven Peaks, Sun, Tuesday, Thruster, Univega Yuba, Extracycle 
> eBike, cargo, cargo bike, electric bike, bike, bicycle, Bafang, Radwagon, 
> Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, Giant, touring, bbshd, bbs02, BBHD, BBSH, 
> BBSHD, BBS02, BBS01, BBS02B, electric bike, electric bicycles, electric 
> bikes, Xtracycle, cargo bikes, Yuba bike, Tern, Rad bike, Radbicycle frame, 
> Aventon, Surly, Soma, Salsa, Electra, Schwinn, Mongoose, BMX, Fixie, gravel 
> bike, gravel bikes, Santa Cruz, Rocky Mountain, bike, bicycle, 

[RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Philip Williamson]

Presented without commentary. 
SFBay Craigslist 
ad: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/alameda-59-60cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7557541510.html

Fully quotated for posterity: 
“Hi, up for sale is a buttery scrumptious mustard cream super hero bike 
turned fast sold out Rivendell classic. It’s like the cosmic cool standout 
relative or friend that you just want to always be around. 
A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage but overall in great 
shape. It is size 60cm that I measure the toptube at 59cm (center to top) 
and toptube 59.5 center to center; it has 700c wheels and built light on 
the feet tho like a frickin tank. Great ride that eats up and then smiles 
on all terrains.

“If the Greek god Zeus rode a touring bike, it’d be a Rivendell and most 
likely, it’d be a Joe Appaloosa. Rivendell is straight forward with the Joe 
Appaloosa. First off, it’s named after a rather unique breed of horse, 
then, they took their two most famous touring bikes, the Sam Hillborne and 
the Hunqapillar, combined them and made one bad-ass road touring bike. 
These bikes are confidence-inspiring works of art, chiseled from stone and 
as timeless, or legendary as mythology. Ok, maybe that was too much… 
They’re just damn sexy!

“Those frames scream fully-loaded confidence with a fist-sized gap between 
the rear tire and seat tube, ensuring that even if you want to dive into a 
turn, this frame will take its own, secure and smooth line. Which is great 
for a touring or city bike. Loaded on descents, this long wheelbase makes 
for a predictable and comfortable ride.

“Or, to be more concise, the Appaloosa is:

“It’s not for stunts, boulder-bouncing, or loaded expeditionary off-road 
touring, but as a trail bike for sober non-yahoos who weigh less than 
215lb, it’s ideal, perfect.. That 215lb isn’t a scientifically-derived 
number, just a hipshot suggestion based on the Joe having a heavier fork 
than Sam’s and lighter one than Hunqapillar’s.”

“For $2,250 complete, this bike could be yours and you’d have one of the 
most incredible looking touring and town bikes around. Why so much $ you 
may ask-Well this bike rocks and last one that sold on EBAY WENT FOR 
$4,000, tho admittedly a little better better components. 

“Find out more about this ride on Rivendell’s website or other online 
blogs. Or at the Rivendell Bicycle Works Fleet Headquarters in Walnut Creek

“Tags: Touring, Track, bmx, 6ku, golden, Mercier, Aventon, all city 
shinola, wabi harry bullitt, cruiser, womens, girls, mens, boys, Yeti, 
specilized, Santa Cruz, carbon, Rocky Mountain, 27.5, 29, trek, 
diamondback, norco, full suspension Trek Pivot cannondale Giant yeti Santa 
Cruz Bulls Riese Muller Haibike izip Focus KTM shimano fox powerfly Vado 
Como Pedego Elevate Sonders full-e Canyon rocky mountain Kenevo Bmc nomad 
bronsen Stumpjumper camber Levo Diamondback scott kona Trance remedy fuel 
slash anthem stance demo enduro reign Sram one by campy demo downhill trail 
29 29er 650b 27.5 26 yamaha Levo Creo Enduro Specialized MTB Ebike e-bike 
eMTB E-mtb 700c carbon 9r 10r 11r specialized hotrock riprock hardtail 
crosstrail ariel sirrus vita slope slopestyle dirt jumper dirtjumper DJ fx 
sport 3 4 5 6 dual sport verve escape Trek Domane Cannondale Synapse 
Boardman Allied Alfa Giant TCR BMC Teammachine SLR01 Jamis Renegade 
Diamondback Podium Vitesse 3T Strada diverge Giant Defy OPEN U.P.P.E.R. 
allez Kona Rove Canyon Ultimate CF SLX tarmac sworks s works s-works Liv 
Langma pinarello dogma Raleigh revere Fuji felt orbea salsa kestrel ridley 
roadmachine pro comp sport ultegra 105 durace dura ace dura-ace di2 sora 
apex red etap e tap e-tap wilier pinnacle roval cervelo dolce sequoia coda 
bianchi amira madone awol crux langster shiv venge cyclocross gravel emonda 
boone crockett checkpoint Schwinn Micargi Giant Dyno GT Electra Murray 
Specialized Trek Raleigh Huffy Columbia Diamondback BMX Haro Ripper Redline 
Kustom Kruiser Kruzer King Mongoose Phat 3G Ripper Flyer SE Greenline Magna 
Nirve AddMotor, Benno, Bianchi, Breezer, Cervelo, Cyclekids, DelSol, 
Diamondback, Evo, Felt, Fuji, Haro, Haven, IZIP, Jamis, Linus, Marin, Masi, 
Norco, Orbea, Raleigh, Redline, Reid, Rocky Mountain, SE Bikes, Zipp, 
Orange, Paul, Seven Peaks, Sun, Tuesday, Thruster, Univega Yuba, Extracycle 
eBike, cargo, cargo bike, electric bike, bike, bicycle, Bafang, Radwagon, 
Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, Giant, touring, bbshd, bbs02, BBHD, BBSH, 
BBSHD, BBS02, BBS01, BBS02B, electric bike, electric bicycles, electric 
bikes, Xtracycle, cargo bikes, Yuba bike, Tern, Rad bike, Radbicycle frame, 
Aventon, Surly, Soma, Salsa, Electra, Schwinn, Mongoose, BMX, Fixie, gravel 
bike, gravel bikes, Santa Cruz, Rocky Mountain, bike, bicycle, Orbea, Dahon”



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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

[Joe Bernard]

Indeed, I never thought of that. I didn't self-teach myself that part! 

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 4:13:15 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Ray,
> Excellent idea about adjusting before installing the chain. That makes 
> sense. I think I was able to get my FD adjusted. It is working well so far. 
> Thanks all for your help.
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 11:10:46 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I’ve always done my initial  derailer adjustments before I install the 
>> chain. 
>> Front and rear both get installed and before the cable is connected I 
>> adjust the limit screw so that the front’s cage is centered on the small 
>> ring and the rear pulleys are centered on the small cog. 
>> Then I install the cables  and take up the slack, cinch the cable, run 
>> through the range of motion a few times to set the housing in the 
>>  ferrules. 
>> Then check the slack. 
>> Next, install the chain and run through the gears being careful not to 
>> run the chain into the spokes. 
>>
>> Like Joe said, it can take a bot of fine tuning to get things perfect so 
>> I take my screwdriver and Allen wrench on a test ride. 
>> Getting the gross adjustment really close will minimize the fine tuning. 
>>
>> Ray “also self taught many decades ago“  Varella
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, you’re incredibly generous with your knowledge and experience. 
>>> Thank you!! I’ve learned so much from your contributions to this community, 
>>> and I very much appreciate the basics, too. The deeper I get into working 
>>> on my bikes myself, the more I understand that 1) the notion of bike 
>>> “standards” is hilarious and 2) what might be obvious to one person is not 
>>> at all obvious to another. Everyone starts somewhere. You’re a great 
>>> teacher, and you instruct with humor and kindness. 
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 20:22, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I do what I can, Scott! Just don't ask me how to bleed hydraulic brakes 
>>> or set sag on a suspension fork. I barely know what those words even mean 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:13:43 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 Joe,

 I appreciate the error on overshare/overstate philosophy.  I'm happy to 
 discard what I already know and treasure hunt for what I don't know.

 I'm more likely to get annoyed with a lack of explanation/clarification 
 than too much.

 I'm here to learn, not show what I know.

 My knowledge toolbox has grown - plenty of which from you - in the 
 short time I've been in the group.

 Scott

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 

 On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 5:00 PM, Doug Hansford
  wrote:

 It may be obvious to some but I appreciate the detail. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Apologies to anyone who thinks I'm explaining the obvious, I've 
 learned over the years to start at "explain everything, assume nothing" 
 and 
 it's served me well. And as I said in my first post, I'm probably doing it 
 all wrong! 

 On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:52:07 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

 Trial and error bro! Basically you need the range of motion between L 
 and H to cover the chainrings, and the cable pinched down so the shifter 
 will move the cage through that range.

 If the shifter starts slipping you'll need to crank down on the bolt 
 there. Silver thumbies have a little ring you turn, SunRace/Microshift use 
 a hex bolt. 

 On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

 Joe these are excellent instructions. My mistake is not leaving the 
 cable loose when adjusting the low limit. Thanks!!
 Doug

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 3, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Of course I forget something. The cable gets tightened down (after the 
 L setting is done) with the shifter in its most forward position, the 
 cable 
 is let out as much as it will go. 



 On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:57:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

 The way I do it was self-taught decades ago and no doubt wrong but it 
 works so here goes:

 Chain in small front/big rear like you said, L and H screws all the way 
 out, then I adjust the L screw to get the cage just inboard enough to 
 clear 
 the chain. That's my low position for the derailer, I know I dont want it 
 swinging any closer to the frame. Now I tighten the cable at the clamp and 
 shift to the big front/small rear. Is the fd getting my chain over to the 
 big ring? Good, now I'm screwing the H limit in just far enough to keep 
 the 
 chain 

Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

[Doug H.]

Ray,
Excellent idea about adjusting before installing the chain. That makes 
sense. I think I was able to get my FD adjusted. It is working well so far. 
Thanks all for your help.
Doug

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 11:10:46 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> I’ve always done my initial  derailer adjustments before I install the 
> chain. 
> Front and rear both get installed and before the cable is connected I 
> adjust the limit screw so that the front’s cage is centered on the small 
> ring and the rear pulleys are centered on the small cog. 
> Then I install the cables  and take up the slack, cinch the cable, run 
> through the range of motion a few times to set the housing in the 
>  ferrules. 
> Then check the slack. 
> Next, install the chain and run through the gears being careful not to run 
> the chain into the spokes. 
>
> Like Joe said, it can take a bot of fine tuning to get things perfect so I 
> take my screwdriver and Allen wrench on a test ride. 
> Getting the gross adjustment really close will minimize the fine tuning. 
>
> Ray “also self taught many decades ago“  Varella
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> Joe, you’re incredibly generous with your knowledge and experience. Thank 
>> you!! I’ve learned so much from your contributions to this community, and I 
>> very much appreciate the basics, too. The deeper I get into working on my 
>> bikes myself, the more I understand that 1) the notion of bike “standards” 
>> is hilarious and 2) what might be obvious to one person is not at all 
>> obvious to another. Everyone starts somewhere. You’re a great teacher, and 
>> you instruct with humor and kindness. 
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 20:22, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I do what I can, Scott! Just don't ask me how to bleed hydraulic brakes 
>> or set sag on a suspension fork. I barely know what those words even mean 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:13:43 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I appreciate the error on overshare/overstate philosophy.  I'm happy to 
>>> discard what I already know and treasure hunt for what I don't know.
>>>
>>> I'm more likely to get annoyed with a lack of explanation/clarification 
>>> than too much.
>>>
>>> I'm here to learn, not show what I know.
>>>
>>> My knowledge toolbox has grown - plenty of which from you - in the short 
>>> time I've been in the group.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 5:00 PM, Doug Hansford
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> It may be obvious to some but I appreciate the detail. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Apologies to anyone who thinks I'm explaining the obvious, I've learned 
>>> over the years to start at "explain everything, assume nothing" and it's 
>>> served me well. And as I said in my first post, I'm probably doing it all 
>>> wrong! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:52:07 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Trial and error bro! Basically you need the range of motion between L 
>>> and H to cover the chainrings, and the cable pinched down so the shifter 
>>> will move the cage through that range.
>>>
>>> If the shifter starts slipping you'll need to crank down on the bolt 
>>> there. Silver thumbies have a little ring you turn, SunRace/Microshift use 
>>> a hex bolt. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe these are excellent instructions. My mistake is not leaving the 
>>> cable loose when adjusting the low limit. Thanks!!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I forget something. The cable gets tightened down (after the 
>>> L setting is done) with the shifter in its most forward position, the cable 
>>> is let out as much as it will go. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:57:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> The way I do it was self-taught decades ago and no doubt wrong but it 
>>> works so here goes:
>>>
>>> Chain in small front/big rear like you said, L and H screws all the way 
>>> out, then I adjust the L screw to get the cage just inboard enough to clear 
>>> the chain. That's my low position for the derailer, I know I dont want it 
>>> swinging any closer to the frame. Now I tighten the cable at the clamp and 
>>> shift to the big front/small rear. Is the fd getting my chain over to the 
>>> big ring? Good, now I'm screwing the H limit in just far enough to keep the 
>>> chain from overshifting and tossing the chain between the ring and 
>>> crankarm. 
>>>
>>> Once I've gotten this far I ride a bit to dial the L and H screws, often 
>>> on the first try one or the other isn't quite right and I'm not getting 
>>> enough travel to knock the chain to the 

[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

[Evan E.]

Roberta asked: "Does your pedal really not wreck the soles of shoes or draw 
blood?" 

I have these "ANSJS" pedals on my commuter, and I like them:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08JPNYCJL

The pins on the ANSJS pedals, being slightly rounded or blunt, do not grip 
as well as do the pins / spikes / grub screws on Thin Gripster pedals or on 
VP Vice pedals, but I think they grip well enough for commuting, and they 
gouge the soles of my shoes less -- and they are less apt to draw blood.

Evan 


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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[John Rinker]

Well, Ryan, it is a dream bike, so it's no wonder it showed up in yours. 
Someday I hope to ride one of the newer Atlantii to have an understanding 
of how they've changed over time, but I do really love the way this Toyo 
model rides. 

Cheers,
John

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> That is a beauty...and even more intriguing is your *gomi* story. So 
> intriguing I dreamed I rode an Atlantis last night...but I can't tell you 
> whether it was a *gomi* harvest or not, unfortunately.
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 2:26:03 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Positively gorgeous bike!
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:28:57 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing, John!
>>>
>>> Great picture...and a GREAT bicycle! I love its proportions.
>>>
>>> You exceeded expectations[image: Emoji]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 04:18:16 PM MST, John Rinker <
>>> jwri...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron and Scott,
>>>
>>> Here's the full meal deal. Atlantis in the snow.
>>> [image: Atlantis in the Snow.JPG]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:36:24 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> The website description is fascinatingly murky, like I couldn't make it 
>>> murkier if I tried. The seattube ovalizes as it heads down to the BB shell 
>>> and I believe it is indeed 31.8 at the fd section (the MIT model). 
>>> Toyo/Waterford was 28.6. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:00 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 3 December 2022 at 2:24:41 pm UTC+11 Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> John, the Atlantis I purchased new from Riv last month takes a 31.8 
>>> clamp FD. Yours is a 28.6? They must have changed along the way?
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you'll find your Atlantis seat tube is 28.6mm diameter (AKA 
>>> 1⅛"). That's what the Riv website says.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Ryan]

That is a beauty...and even more intriguing is your *gomi* story. So 
intriguing I dreamed I rode an Atlantis last night...but I can't tell you 
whether it was a *gomi* harvest or not, unfortunately.

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 2:26:03 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Positively gorgeous bike!
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:28:57 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing, John!
>>
>> Great picture...and a GREAT bicycle! I love its proportions.
>>
>> You exceeded expectations[image: Emoji]
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 04:18:16 PM MST, John Rinker <
>> jwri...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Aaron and Scott,
>>
>> Here's the full meal deal. Atlantis in the snow.
>> [image: Atlantis in the Snow.JPG]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:36:24 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The website description is fascinatingly murky, like I couldn't make it 
>> murkier if I tried. The seattube ovalizes as it heads down to the BB shell 
>> and I believe it is indeed 31.8 at the fd section (the MIT model). 
>> Toyo/Waterford was 28.6. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:00 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, 3 December 2022 at 2:24:41 pm UTC+11 Scott wrote:
>>
>> John, the Atlantis I purchased new from Riv last month takes a 31.8 clamp 
>> FD. Yours is a 28.6? They must have changed along the way?
>>
>>
>> I think you'll find your Atlantis seat tube is 28.6mm diameter (AKA 1⅛"). 
>> That's what the Riv website says.
>>
>> Nick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Garth]

Jacob has the Logic Compact Triple, 94/58 BCD that took a 110--113mm BB 
originally. Some people have the Logic Triple(no compacto !) 110/74 which 
took a 120mm originally. 

It must be noted though that back then before cartridges every manufacturer 
had their own offsets. So when you now go substituting a cartridge for the 
former ones just going by spindle length may not work as it depends on the 
offset differences with what's available. Hence, a Logic 110/74 Triple for 
most stays a 122.5(123mm label) is often the best. So if Jacob used a 123mm 
BB for his it was just an oversight of the "Compact" part which denotes the 
shorter BB !  Back in the say I substituted a Shimano UN74 127mm for the 
original Sugino AT triple 3U spindle that was 124.5mm with a large offset. 
I don't know the original Ritchey offsets so hopefully the 113mm works. 
I've found it's helpful to keep various cartridge lengths on hand if for 
anything , fitting purposes. 
 
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:31:05 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:

> Looks like your pic was posted at the same time I was typing this reply.
>
> Looks like the 110-113 bb is what is needed. 
>
> Good luck with the build.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reggie
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:26:42 AM UTC-6 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Hey Jacob,
>>
>> You say:
>>
>> "I'm using a triple crankset (42/32/22 Ritchey)" and state it is a 110 
>> bcd. From the ring sizes and the bottom bracket, it would seem that this is 
>> a 94/58 or 56 BCD crank. Lowest you can probably get the middle on a 110 
>> bcd is 34 usually, possibly heard of a 33 and the smallest on the granny is 
>> a 24. 
>>
>> I have two bikes with the Ritchey 110/74 and most of my fleet is running 
>> a 110/74 bcd of some type with the exception of possibly a couple. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:11:56 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just checked and it’s a 110 BCD on the big ring. I’ve got just under 
>>> .5” of clearance if I’m in the small/ big combo. So I should be fine 
>>> swapping in a narrower BB. 
>>>
>>> I’ll see about picking up one of the m737 or m563’s 
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help! 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Justus G  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you look for a good condition old stock XT M737 or LX M563 you 
>>> should have a perfect match for your ring sizes, a small/short enough cage 
>>> to not hit the stays and enough range for the triple.  I am currently using 
>>> this setup with a 110/74 Ritchey Triple that I run with a Phil ~119mm BB. 
>>>  But you may not need a new FD anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is your crankset the Ritchey Logic 94/58 Compact?  If so, that is meant 
>>> to be run with a 110-113mm BB so if that is the case my concern is you are 
>>> out of range due to the extra length which will also effect chainline. 
>>>
>>> My recommend is to measure and see if a 113mm BB will work (need 5mm vs 
>>> what you have now to tire) and go to that.  Perfect chainline.  Great 
>>> Q-factor.  Prefect.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:57:38 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello good people,

 I'm finishing up my Gus build and the front derailleur from my stash 
 doesn't work. I'm using a triple crankset (42/32/22 Ritchey) with a 123mm 
 bottom bracket. 9 speed in the back and a 2.25" rear tire. 

 I actually bought a Shimano FD-M780 but it was the braze on style 
 (mistake on my part). When I got the clamp in and everything mounted it 
 didn't seem to have enough throw to push into the big ring. I'm pretty 
 confident I had everything installed correctly. 

 The Skeleton Key FD on Riv says a 118mm BB.  

 If I change the BB to something narrower will I run into tire clearance 
 issues? I don't plan on going larger but it would be nice to have the 
 option. 

 Thanks for any insight!

 Cheers,

 Jacob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[R. Alexis]

Looks like your pic was posted at the same time I was typing this reply.

Looks like the 110-113 bb is what is needed. 

Good luck with the build.

Thanks,

Reggie

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:26:42 AM UTC-6 R. Alexis wrote:

> Hey Jacob,
>
> You say:
>
> "I'm using a triple crankset (42/32/22 Ritchey)" and state it is a 110 
> bcd. From the ring sizes and the bottom bracket, it would seem that this is 
> a 94/58 or 56 BCD crank. Lowest you can probably get the middle on a 110 
> bcd is 34 usually, possibly heard of a 33 and the smallest on the granny is 
> a 24. 
>
> I have two bikes with the Ritchey 110/74 and most of my fleet is running a 
> 110/74 bcd of some type with the exception of possibly a couple. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:11:56 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I just checked and it’s a 110 BCD on the big ring. I’ve got just under 
>> .5” of clearance if I’m in the small/ big combo. So I should be fine 
>> swapping in a narrower BB. 
>>
>> I’ll see about picking up one of the m737 or m563’s 
>>
>> Thanks for the help! 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Justus G  wrote:
>>
>> If you look for a good condition old stock XT M737 or LX M563 you should 
>> have a perfect match for your ring sizes, a small/short enough cage to not 
>> hit the stays and enough range for the triple.  I am currently using this 
>> setup with a 110/74 Ritchey Triple that I run with a Phil ~119mm BB.  But 
>> you may not need a new FD anyway.
>>
>>
>> Is your crankset the Ritchey Logic 94/58 Compact?  If so, that is meant 
>> to be run with a 110-113mm BB so if that is the case my concern is you are 
>> out of range due to the extra length which will also effect chainline. 
>>
>> My recommend is to measure and see if a 113mm BB will work (need 5mm vs 
>> what you have now to tire) and go to that.  Perfect chainline.  Great 
>> Q-factor.  Prefect.  
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:57:38 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello good people,
>>>
>>> I'm finishing up my Gus build and the front derailleur from my stash 
>>> doesn't work. I'm using a triple crankset (42/32/22 Ritchey) with a 123mm 
>>> bottom bracket. 9 speed in the back and a 2.25" rear tire. 
>>>
>>> I actually bought a Shimano FD-M780 but it was the braze on style 
>>> (mistake on my part). When I got the clamp in and everything mounted it 
>>> didn't seem to have enough throw to push into the big ring. I'm pretty 
>>> confident I had everything installed correctly. 
>>>
>>> The Skeleton Key FD on Riv says a 118mm BB.  
>>>
>>> If I change the BB to something narrower will I run into tire clearance 
>>> issues? I don't plan on going larger but it would be nice to have the 
>>> option. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for any insight!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Jacob Byard]

Oh I love learning all this stuff. It’s funny because I’m way more familiar with hydro, di2/ AXS and that crap but older components are very foreign to me. All part of the process. I’ll get there eventually. Hopefully. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 4, 2022, at 12:21 PM, Justus G  wrote:I know.  Conflicting info.  Hopefully all good teaching moments and good discussion.  Justus in Mpls ;)On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:36:20 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s a 110 BCD on the big ring."So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, and go from there.JimOn Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it shifts fineJim in MplsOn Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. I’ve ordered a 113mm width. I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s good to know. I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and YouTube. Thank you for the help! Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with the adjustment screws open all the way.The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset only, it's not universally applicable. On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long ones.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

chainline not chainlink

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:28:53 AM UTC-6 Justus G wrote:

> All good!  You are on the right track.  As Scott stated earlier, you can 
> likely even go lower with the spec of 110-113mm and I am sure I am running 
> a touch shorter on mine just for the reduced Q and good chainlink for gears 
> I use.
>
> BTW great cranks you have and love the finish on them.  I have that same 
> finish my Potts.  I run these as doubles and triples for road, mountain and 
> gravel setups in the standard and compact versions.  One of the all time 
> great cranksets.
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well I’m an idiot. The chainring says CSP3 42 and the first thing that 
>> popped up on google had 110 but that was an add. Yes, it’s a 94 bcd. 
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Jingy  wrote:
>>
>> I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s 
>> a 110 BCD on the big ring."
>>
>>
>> So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, 
>> and go from there.
>> Jim
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 
>>> 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or 
>>> those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the 
>>> Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His 
>>> issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to 
>>> swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.
>>>
>>> Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has 
>>> you on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>>>
 The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
 I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
 shifts fine

 Jim in Mpls



 On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage 
> and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big 
> ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. 
> I’ve ordered a 113mm width. 
>
> I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
> good to know. 
>
> I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
> YouTube. 
>
> Thank you for the help! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
> not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
> but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
> simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
> the adjustment screws open all the way.
>
>
> The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
> only, it's not universally applicable. 
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm 
>> BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty 
>> much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long 
>> ones.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

All good!  You are on the right track.  As Scott stated earlier, you can 
likely even go lower with the spec of 110-113mm and I am sure I am running 
a touch shorter on mine just for the reduced Q and good chainlink for gears 
I use.

BTW great cranks you have and love the finish on them.  I have that same 
finish my Potts.  I run these as doubles and triples for road, mountain and 
gravel setups in the standard and compact versions.  One of the all time 
great cranksets.

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well I’m an idiot. The chainring says CSP3 42 and the first thing that 
> popped up on google had 110 but that was an add. Yes, it’s a 94 bcd. 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Jingy  wrote:
>
> I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s a 
> 110 BCD on the big ring."
>
>
> So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, 
> and go from there.
> Jim
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 
>> 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or 
>> those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the 
>> Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His 
>> issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to 
>> swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.
>>
>> Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you 
>> on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>>
>>> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
>>> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
>>> shifts fine
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage 
 and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big 
 ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. 
 I’ve ordered a 113mm width. 

 I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
 good to know. 

 I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
 YouTube. 

 Thank you for the help! 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:

 Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
 not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
 but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
 simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
 the adjustment screws open all the way.


 The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
 only, it's not universally applicable. 

 On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm 
> BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty 
> much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long 
> ones.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[R. Alexis]

Hey Jacob,

You say:

"I'm using a triple crankset (42/32/22 Ritchey)" and state it is a 110 bcd. 
>From the ring sizes and the bottom bracket, it would seem that this is a 
94/58 or 56 BCD crank. Lowest you can probably get the middle on a 110 bcd 
is 34 usually, possibly heard of a 33 and the smallest on the granny is a 
24. 

I have two bikes with the Ritchey 110/74 and most of my fleet is running a 
110/74 bcd of some type with the exception of possibly a couple. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:11:56 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just checked and it’s a 110 BCD on the big ring. I’ve got just under .5” 
> of clearance if I’m in the small/ big combo. So I should be fine swapping 
> in a narrower BB. 
>
> I’ll see about picking up one of the m737 or m563’s 
>
> Thanks for the help! 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Justus G  wrote:
>
> If you look for a good condition old stock XT M737 or LX M563 you should 
> have a perfect match for your ring sizes, a small/short enough cage to not 
> hit the stays and enough range for the triple.  I am currently using this 
> setup with a 110/74 Ritchey Triple that I run with a Phil ~119mm BB.  But 
> you may not need a new FD anyway.
>
>
> Is your crankset the Ritchey Logic 94/58 Compact?  If so, that is meant to 
> be run with a 110-113mm BB so if that is the case my concern is you are out 
> of range due to the extra length which will also effect chainline. 
>
> My recommend is to measure and see if a 113mm BB will work (need 5mm vs 
> what you have now to tire) and go to that.  Perfect chainline.  Great 
> Q-factor.  Prefect.  
>
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:57:38 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello good people,
>>
>> I'm finishing up my Gus build and the front derailleur from my stash 
>> doesn't work. I'm using a triple crankset (42/32/22 Ritchey) with a 123mm 
>> bottom bracket. 9 speed in the back and a 2.25" rear tire. 
>>
>> I actually bought a Shimano FD-M780 but it was the braze on style 
>> (mistake on my part). When I got the clamp in and everything mounted it 
>> didn't seem to have enough throw to push into the big ring. I'm pretty 
>> confident I had everything installed correctly. 
>>
>> The Skeleton Key FD on Riv says a 118mm BB.  
>>
>> If I change the BB to something narrower will I run into tire clearance 
>> issues? I don't plan on going larger but it would be nice to have the 
>> option. 
>>
>> Thanks for any insight!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacob
>>
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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifting boss question

[Garth]

Since neither fit then yeah, just replace them. Those Shimano downtube 
shift cable stops are fine, there are other brands as well. Dia Compe, IRD 
and Dajia also make some. As I found out in removing them after 15 years, 
apply a thin layer of anti-seize compound  to the boss, if you have some on 
hand. Otherwise at least a bit of grease.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

I know.  Conflicting info.  Hopefully all good teaching moments and good 
discussion.  

Justus in Mpls ;)

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:36:20 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:

> I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s a 
> 110 BCD on the big ring."
> So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, 
> and go from there.
> Jim
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 
>> 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or 
>> those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the 
>> Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His 
>> issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to 
>> swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.
>>
>> Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you 
>> on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>>
>>> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
>>> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
>>> shifts fine
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage 
 and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big 
 ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. 
 I’ve ordered a 113mm width. 

 I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
 good to know. 

 I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
 YouTube. 

 Thank you for the help! 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:

 Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
 not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
 but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
 simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
 the adjustment screws open all the way.


 The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
 only, it's not universally applicable. 

 On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm 
> BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty 
> much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long 
> ones.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Jingy]

I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s a 
110 BCD on the big ring."
So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, and 
go from there.
Jim
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 
> 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or 
> those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the 
> Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His 
> issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to 
> swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.
>
> Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you 
> on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>
>> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
>> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
>> shifts fine
>>
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage and 
>>> I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big ring. 
>>> But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. I’ve 
>>> ordered a 113mm width. 
>>>
>>> I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
>>> good to know. 
>>>
>>> I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
>>> YouTube. 
>>>
>>> Thank you for the help! 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
>>> not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
>>> but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
>>> simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
>>> the adjustment screws open all the way.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
>>> only, it's not universally applicable. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm BB 
 atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty much 
 made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long ones.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 42/32/22 
which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or those 
gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the Compact 
94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His issue 
seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to swing 
a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.

Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you 
on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:

> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
> shifts fine
>
> Jim in Mpls
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage and 
>> I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big ring. 
>> But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. I’ve 
>> ordered a 113mm width. 
>>
>> I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
>> good to know. 
>>
>> I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
>> YouTube. 
>>
>> Thank you for the help! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
>> not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
>> but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
>> simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
>> the adjustment screws open all the way.
>>
>>
>> The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
>> only, it's not universally applicable. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm BB 
>>> atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty much 
>>> made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long ones.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Jingy]

The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it shifts 
fine

Jim in Mpls



On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage and I 
> did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big ring. But 
> if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. I’ve ordered 
> a 113mm width. 
>
> I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s good 
> to know. 
>
> I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
> YouTube. 
>
> Thank you for the help! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or not 
> ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, but 
> really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to simply do 
> it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with the 
> adjustment screws open all the way.
>
>
> The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
> only, it's not universally applicable. 
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm BB 
>> atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty much 
>> made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long ones.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifting boss question

[maxcr]

Thanks Joe, the housing without a ferrule fits but it's quite loose.

Thanks Garth, I have both 5mm and 4mm ferrules and to my surprise none fit. 

I'm wondering if this is the answer - maybe I just need a Shimano cable 
stop to go in there? 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-downtube-cable-stops-pair-17045

Max
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:05:47 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Will shifter housing fit in there without a ferrule?
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 9:24:24 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone I'm working on a new project and bumped into this shifting 
>> boss which I've never seen. They don't seem to accept a standard brass 
>> ferrule.
>>
>> Any ideas on how to deal with these other than replacing them?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Max
>> [image: IMG_8920.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Jacob Byard]

I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. I’ve ordered a 113mm width. I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s good to know. I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and YouTube. Thank you for the help! Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with the adjustment screws open all the way.The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset only, it's not universally applicable. On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long ones.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Garth]

Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or not 
?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, but 
really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to simply do 
it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with the 
adjustment screws open all the way.

The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset only, 
it's not universally applicable. 

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm BB 
> atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty much 
> made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long ones.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What Berthoud Saddle is this??

[Bob Warner]

Here’s the side view it seems to have the same amount of rivets as the Aspin, but is only 150 mm wide.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:The Soulor and Galibier don't have the option for saddle bag hooks on the rear. Can you shoot a side-profile of the saddle so we can help? On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 1:37:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:Looks like a Galibier (ti version of Soulor), which is claimed 146mm wide.  https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/535-leather-saddle-galibier-black.htmlOn Friday, December 2, 2022 at 12:31:42 PM UTC-8 BobW wrote:I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has titanium rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but different rails.However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 150mm wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these saddles??



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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifting boss question

[Garth]

Brass ferrules are made in both 5mm and 4mm Max, and yours is likely 5mm 
and the boss is 4mm. There are step down ferrules that would work. Unless 
you have a local source it may be easy-er to just replace them with a 5mm 
boss if keeping the brass appearance is that big of deal. 
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:05:47 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Will shifter housing fit in there without a ferrule?
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 9:24:24 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone I'm working on a new project and bumped into this shifting 
>> boss which I've never seen. They don't seem to accept a standard brass 
>> ferrule.
>>
>> Any ideas on how to deal with these other than replacing them?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Max
>> [image: IMG_8920.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Luke Hendrickson]

Positively gorgeous bike!

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:28:57 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> Thanks for sharing, John!
>
> Great picture...and a GREAT bicycle! I love its proportions.
>
> You exceeded expectations[image: Emoji]
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 04:18:16 PM MST, John Rinker <
> jwri...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Aaron and Scott,
>
> Here's the full meal deal. Atlantis in the snow.
> [image: Atlantis in the Snow.JPG]
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:36:24 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The website description is fascinatingly murky, like I couldn't make it 
> murkier if I tried. The seattube ovalizes as it heads down to the BB shell 
> and I believe it is indeed 31.8 at the fd section (the MIT model). 
> Toyo/Waterford was 28.6. 
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:00 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
> On Saturday, 3 December 2022 at 2:24:41 pm UTC+11 Scott wrote:
>
> John, the Atlantis I purchased new from Riv last month takes a 31.8 clamp 
> FD. Yours is a 28.6? They must have changed along the way?
>
>
> I think you'll find your Atlantis seat tube is 28.6mm diameter (AKA 1⅛"). 
> That's what the Riv website says.
>
> Nick
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