Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Are those stems with the cable stops 26mm clamp?


On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:43:41 PM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a longer 
> stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I think sits 
> somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are the Ritchey 
> Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can occasionally find in 
> even longer lengths. They are steel with a single bolt—and very pretty. The 
> downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. As the poster above 
> mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp diameter stem with 
> the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't presume any 
> knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>
> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems on 
> another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are up 
> for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
> that would work for you.
>
> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>
> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>> bike with ortho bars.
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
>>> cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
>>> not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and 
>>> stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
>>> 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).
>>>
>>> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
>>> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
>>> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
>>> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>>>
>>> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
>>> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
>>>> build. 
>>>> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
>>>> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
>>>> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
>>>> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
>>>> single bolt. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
>>>>> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
>>>>> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
>>>>> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Faceplater 110mm
>>>>> - Faceplater 135mm
>>>>> - Tallux 12cm
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Is a 1 bolt clamp is going to be adequate on the ortho? The options for 
mounting this bar are almost all troublesome. Oversized clamp with a shim? 
Faceplater that’s too short? Undersized clamp? Or the one bolt quill made 
for a road bike?

If you’re putting these bars on an 80’s MTN bike with a road bike style 
geometry frame. is it better to go longer like 130mm?

I’m that guy Grant tells to not overthink it. Matter of fact he did tell me 
that once already.


On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 5:57:12 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Someone better buy that Ritchey Force it's the perfect size and spiritual 
> aesthetic for the Orthos. 
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-4 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:
>
>> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a 
>> longer stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I 
>> think sits somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are 
>> the Ritchey Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can 
>> occasionally find in even longer lengths. They are steel with a single 
>> bolt—and very pretty. The downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. 
>> As the poster above mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp 
>> diameter stem with the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't 
>> presume any knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>>
>> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems 
>> on another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are 
>> up for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
>> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
>> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
>> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
>> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
>> that would work for you.
>>
>> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>>
>> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>>> bike with ortho bars.
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>>>>
>>>> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
>>>> cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
>>>> not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop 
>>>> and 
>>>> stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
>>>> 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).
>>>>
>>>> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
>>>> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either 
>>>> but 
>>>> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward 
>>>> as 
>>>> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>>>>
>>>> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm 
>>>> Faceplater based on your replies, but that does seem long!
>>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
>>>>> build. 
>>>>> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
>>>>> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
>>>>> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
>>>>> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
>>>>> single bolt. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and lookin

[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
bike with ortho bars.
On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>
> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their cardboard 
> geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is not terribly 
> far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and stack (1985 
> Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 5.0 drop, 52.7 
> stack, 40.6 reach).
>
> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>
> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
>> build. 
>> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
>> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
>> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
>> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
>> single bolt. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>>
>>> - Faceplater 110mm
>>> - Faceplater 135mm
>>> - Tallux 12cm
>>>
>>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[El Sapo]

I found one and got it all set up to my liking. On a ride once, somebody 
asked if the bike “planed” when it got up to speed. It surprised me that 
someone would use a windsurfing description to describe a bike ride. After 
that question I was determined to see if it did. What I found was that my 
skinny tire, drop bar days were over. Getting that thing up to speed wasn’t 
comfortable for me. On the plus side, like the expedition, there is a 
market out there for those “Grant approved” bikes. It sold quickly.
 
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> There's a 54 Sequoia frame on the iBOB: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/zN8AhPA-bew
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:33:33 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Erik,
>>
>> Nice looking Sequoia! I agree, my '82 has a nice ride feel to it as well. 
>> I did a 60 mile ride this past Saturday on it, very comfortable, fits very 
>> well. You can check the year of your bike by looking at the serial number 
>> stamped on the bottom bracket. Mine starts with M2, indicating 1982, so I 
>> would think you bike would be M6.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:01:55 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Erik!
>>>
>>> Fun to see that old sequoia pop up on here, still got a soft spot in my 
>>> heart for that bike! Good memories..
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

 Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one 
 of Richard Schwinn’s best pals.


 Anyone who read Grant's Blahg entry on the closing of Waterford will 
 know that Richard Schwinn has more best pals than just about anyone you 
 can 
 name. I happen to be lucky enough to live near him and his true best pal, 
 his wife, Shoe. And I get to see them regularly at Milwaukee Symphony 
 Orchestra concerts.

 Regarding my Waterford  keep your eyes out for the next issue of 
 American Randonneur.

  Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Clem and Clementine

[El Sapo]

Bump, 52 Clem and a small Clementine in the California Bay Area 

On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 5:38:53 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Those look new! 
> Doug
>
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 8:14:35 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Where are you located?  Beautiful bikes!
>>
>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:32:25 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>
>>> [image: clementine2.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:08:29 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: clem1.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Clem is a medium in blue, and Clementine is a small in black. Both are 
>>>>> from the first shipment of full build Clem Smith Jr bikes. They are both 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> "Like New" condition. The Clem has a brooks saddle and light weight Rene 
>>>>> Herse tires. The Clementine is stock.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Giving the RBW Owners Bunch first shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> $2K each.
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Lotto

[El Sapo]

You think 30 year old men are going to select the women's version of a bike 
more often than a toad like me? Because they aren't stigmatized? I'll ride 
a pink Stumpjumper Team occasionally (called a "Barbie bike" by a little 
girl on the trail). My 30 something son and his friends are freaked out by 
it and would never ride it.   

Grant probably regrets putting men's and women's names on his bikes. 
On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> And to plagiarize myself a bit from that convo, some of us older dudes 
> carry a stigma about step-throughs/mixtes that anyone under 30 would 
> consider baffling. In reality it's just a tube brazed down lower on another 
> tube instead of up higher, and most modern road and mountain bikes have 
> sloping toptubes anyway! As our Bicycle Belle Ding Ding Leah says, 
> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>
> I hope you get that Clem, Doug! 
>
> Joe "didn't kick my droptube today" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 7:02:44 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Well, I bought a lottery ticket for a Clem and now I wait. Not sure how I 
>> feel about this system but it does seem a more fair way to sell the limited 
>> amount of bikes. This may be the new normal for awhile until the cargo 
>> backlog clears up. I read somewhere that the cost per bike to ship by cargo 
>> ship has gone from $17 per bike to about $70 per bike in some cases. I 
>> don't know how accurate these figures are but I don't doubt the increase. 
>> Couple that with the increased demand and decreased supply coming out of 
>> factories and one can easily understand the price increases across the 
>> markets.
>>
>> Anyway, I was texting Joe earlier today about my reservation about buying 
>> a step-through frame and he was saying he loves his custom with the low top 
>> tube. I looked at a few builds online including Grant's Clem L and they 
>> just look so nice. At 54 years old I will enjoy stepping through the frame 
>> instead of having to do a leg lift every time I ride. One other random 
>> thought...I wonder if the Platypus has lowered the demand for the Clem L?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:24:52 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Aha... Thank you, John, for that note. Must have been a glitch. I just 
>>> clicked on that link and was able to purchase. 
>>> Winter is fast approaching here in MI, so we'll prob. have to pickle it 
>>> until late Spring. 
>>>
>>> - Max " pickles" in A2
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 2:50:59 PM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>>
 >> Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I checked was 
 apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery tickets to 
 sell out. Maybe >> later folks will start to auction off their "lottery 
 tickets"?.. 

 Not to worry. The lottery tickets are NOT sold out, as of Thursday, 
 October 7, at 11:49AM (PDST)

 Get 'em here: 
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/clem-smith-lotto-ticket-z?variant=40615872757871

 Thanks! 

 john(at)rivbike(dot)com




 On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 9:40:12 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> *Johnny Alien wrote:*
>
>> I think the word "presale" is a bit misleading as to what is being 
>> suggested here.  The suggestion is that they should start a list like 
>> custom builders do. Lay down that $50 and you are added to the list.  
>> When 
>> you are up they contact you and if you have changed your mind in the 
>> year 
>> that it has taken they can move on to the next name.
>
>
> Agreed. What Riv is currently devising seems convoluted... But the 
> approach seems to work for the company and, really, is not different from 
> what advertising has done in the past and continues to do. 
>
> I'm awash in bikes, but wanted to snag a Clem L in a warm color for my 
> spouse. Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I checked 
> was 
> apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery tickets to 
> sell out. Maybe later folks will start to auction off their "lottery 
> tickets"?.. 
>
> I am curious how well the supply chain is going to recover, and what 
> it'll do to the demand and prices for bikes. Not that I'm selling or 
> buying 
> mine anytime soon, just curious. 
>
> - Max "emotionally overly attached to certain tangible objects on two 
> wheels" in A2
>


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[RBW] FS Clem and Clementine

[El Sapo]

Clem is a medium in blue, and Clementine is a small in black. Both are from 
the first shipment of full build Clem Smith Jr bikes. They are both in 
"Like New" condition. The Clem has a brooks saddle and light weight Rene 
Herse tires. The Clementine is stock.  

Giving the RBW Owners Bunch first shot.

$2K each.

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[El Sapo]

Nice. Wonder if the vintage bike market is following the stock market up to 
new record high marks? Maybe time for me to cash out a couple of bikes. 

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 8:12:42 PM UTC-7, Mattt wrote:
>
> It went for $1,025.  Those with a XO-1 are smiling. 
>

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[El Sapo]

XO-1 is a Holy Grail bike. They pop up here in the Bay Area every once in a 
while. I haven't been watching so closely over the last year, but I 
remember a CL post where the owner was selling an X0-1 and an MB-Zipp  nice 
original condition. Maybe someone else here remembers. I think 
they asked $1300 for the X0 and $1100 for the MB-0. They both sold quickly. 
Bay Area probably the best market for a bikes like that 

>
>
>
> In Winnipeg, MB I have only seen 1 other 1993 X0-1 besides mine.
>
>
>>  

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[El Sapo]

>
> I'm a vintage mountain bike collector, so I hope that frame goes over $1K. 
>

You can rationalize the price however you want. It only takes a couple of 
people willing to pay the price, who bid against each other and aren't 
going to sweat $2-3 hundred over what might be fair and reasonable.

I've been there. You want the bike not the money.

How much is a used Atlantis?  

>   
>
 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar (54 cm) complete bike

[El Sapo]

Oh yea, a 58 650B Hilsen, right on, I knew there was a perfect set up. The 
one I really enjoyed at the shop had moustache bars, as nice as that was, I 
think I'd go with the Choco-Moose bars for the versitility.   

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 9:47:01 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> The trick there is to buy a 58cm Hilsen with 650b wheels and go on with 
> your new, much better life.
>
> -Justin, owner of a 58cm Saluki with 650b wheels.
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 8:35:41 AM UTC-7, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>> When I look at bike pictures, wheel size doesn't jump out. My eye is 
>> trained on the head tube. I see a short head tube and it's a 54? I 
>> immediately move on. That bike's too small for me. But, as you correctly 
>> point out, those are 29's on the Hunq not 26" like the 80's bikes the Hunq 
>> resembles. Like the Clem, I guess it's a lot bigger than it looks. 
>>
>> After riding all the bikes at the shop one day, the Hilsen was 
>> my favorite. I think they come in 57 and 59? Another example of a bike that 
>> would be hard for me to decide which of those 2 would be my correct size. I 
>> think I'm about the same size as Grant. I always wonder why he doesn't 
>> design his bikes so that he would be right in middle of the range of a 
>> single frame size? ( make it easy for me) Instead, it seems like I'm always 
>> in the middle and have to choose between the larger or the smaller. Maybe 
>> the idea is to have the option of using multiple sizes? Set them up 
>> different? 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>>> yes a smaller seat post, to provide more standover and to account for 
>>> tire size, there's going to be about 4-5cm difference in tire height 
>>> between a hunq and a bleriot or road bike, which is the difference between 
>>> riding a 54cm hunq and a 57cm bleriot or road.
>>>
>>> the ritcheys and stumpjumpers were level top tubes on 26" wheels.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 5:30:16 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm 5' 11" and have a 54 Hunq.  It fits perfectly; although there have 
>>>> been times when I've wondered whether it's not a bit big.  On the other 
>>>> hand, I ride a 57cm Bleriot which also fits really well, a 1983 
>>>> Specialized 
>>>> Expedition in size 60 which is nearly perfect, and I've cast lustful looks 
>>>> at a Hilsen which, per Riv's direction, I'd take in a size 59.  I think it 
>>>> all has to do with the specific frame geometries and, in particular, the 
>>>> length of the top tube.
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 7:35:08 PM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Love to have a Hunq or a Bomba. Seems like I'm in the grey area size 
>>>>> wise. It's hard for me to believe that a 54 Hunq is my size. (5-11 and 
>>>>> 86PBH). I usually write it off as being too small, then after it's sold I 
>>>>> see that the buyer is approximately my size.. I still don't 
>>>>> understand 
>>>>> how a 52 Clem works for me. (it does) The flat top bar 80's Stumpjumpers 
>>>>> and the Ritchey I ride are 58s. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Well on the positive side, it's been a good thing money wise. While I 
>>>>> agonize over the correct sizing, the bike usually gets sold. 
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar (54 cm) complete bike

[El Sapo]

When I look at bike pictures, wheel size doesn't jump out. My eye is 
trained on the head tube. I see a short head tube and it's a 54? I 
immediately move on. That bike's too small for me. But, as you correctly 
point out, those are 29's on the Hunq not 26" like the 80's bikes the Hunq 
resembles. Like the Clem, I guess it's a lot bigger than it looks. 

After riding all the bikes at the shop one day, the Hilsen was 
my favorite. I think they come in 57 and 59? Another example of a bike that 
would be hard for me to decide which of those 2 would be my correct size. I 
think I'm about the same size as Grant. I always wonder why he doesn't 
design his bikes so that he would be right in middle of the range of a 
single frame size? ( make it easy for me) Instead, it seems like I'm always 
in the middle and have to choose between the larger or the smaller. Maybe 
the idea is to have the option of using multiple sizes? Set them up 
different? 

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 6:37:39 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

> yes a smaller seat post, to provide more standover and to account for tire 
> size, there's going to be about 4-5cm difference in tire height between a 
> hunq and a bleriot or road bike, which is the difference between riding a 
> 54cm hunq and a 57cm bleriot or road.
>
> the ritcheys and stumpjumpers were level top tubes on 26" wheels.
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 5:30:16 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>> I'm 5' 11" and have a 54 Hunq.  It fits perfectly; although there have 
>> been times when I've wondered whether it's not a bit big.  On the other 
>> hand, I ride a 57cm Bleriot which also fits really well, a 1983 Specialized 
>> Expedition in size 60 which is nearly perfect, and I've cast lustful looks 
>> at a Hilsen which, per Riv's direction, I'd take in a size 59.  I think it 
>> all has to do with the specific frame geometries and, in particular, the 
>> length of the top tube.
>> All the best,
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 7:35:08 PM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>>>
>>> Love to have a Hunq or a Bomba. Seems like I'm in the grey area size 
>>> wise. It's hard for me to believe that a 54 Hunq is my size. (5-11 and 
>>> 86PBH). I usually write it off as being too small, then after it's sold I 
>>> see that the buyer is approximately my size.. I still don't understand 
>>> how a 52 Clem works for me. (it does) The flat top bar 80's Stumpjumpers 
>>> and the Ritchey I ride are 58s. 
>>>
>>> Well on the positive side, it's been a good thing money wise. While I 
>>> agonize over the correct sizing, the bike usually gets sold. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar (54 cm) complete bike

[El Sapo]

Love to have a Hunq or a Bomba. Seems like I'm in the grey area size wise. 
It's hard for me to believe that a 54 Hunq is my size. (5-11 and 86PBH). I 
usually write it off as being too small, then after it's sold I see that 
the buyer is approximately my size.. I still don't understand how a 52 
Clem works for me. (it does) The flat top bar 80's Stumpjumpers and the 
Ritchey I ride are 58s. 

Well on the positive side, it's been a good thing money wise. While I 
agonize over the correct sizing, the bike usually gets sold. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[El Sapo]

Thanks!

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:08:40 PM UTC-7, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>
> If you can wait a couple weeks and depending on the exchange rate, this is 
> a good source for 650Big Ones and all things Schwalbish (26 & 29 too)- 
>
> https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=143272;menu=1000,2,103,317;mid%5B6%5D=1;page=2
> -Kai
> BK NY
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:39:58 PM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>> Wow, you got a ridiculously great price, I think I paid $80-90? The 
>> 650B's were rare, I got them straight from Schwalbe USA. The defect was 
>> that each of tires I got had a noticeable bulge at the area where the 
>> rubber was joined. So pronounced that you could see it and feel it when 
>> riding. Schwalbe was very easy to deal with on the return and credit. I'd 
>> buy from them again. I have a bunch of their tires. They told me that the 
>> high performance tires are more susceptible to manufacturing defects like 
>> that. 
>>
>> You are right they are great tires. I didn't have them on the bike long 
>> enough to get the pressure really dialed in perfectly. But I took enough 
>> rides to experience how fast they were. I kept remounting them over and 
>> over trying to eliminate the bump. I thought it was the tube or something I 
>> was doing wrong. Schwalbe doesn't make bad tires. But the 2 I got were 
>> defective.  
>>
>> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-7, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>>
>>> What was the defect? I just set some Big Ones up tubeless, 1 that I had 
>>> from awhile back in the rear and 1 new for the front from Jenson that I 
>>> purchased when they were closing them out at $25. The Jenson had two 
>>> pinholes on the sidewall that had an extremely hard time sealing with the 
>>> Stan's sealant. It worked in the end but was pretty frustrating. Just got 
>>> back from a week of beach adventures, no flats, sper fun tires.
>>> -Kai
>>> BK NY 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[El Sapo]

Wow, you got a ridiculously great price, I think I paid $80-90? The 650B's 
were rare, I got them straight from Schwalbe USA. The defect was that each 
of tires I got had a noticeable bulge at the area where the rubber was 
joined. So pronounced that you could see it and feel it when riding. 
Schwalbe was very easy to deal with on the return and credit. I'd buy from 
them again. I have a bunch of their tires. They told me that the high 
performance tires are more susceptible to manufacturing defects like that. 

You are right they are great tires. I didn't have them on the bike long 
enough to get the pressure really dialed in perfectly. But I took enough 
rides to experience how fast they were. I kept remounting them over and 
over trying to eliminate the bump. I thought it was the tube or something I 
was doing wrong. Schwalbe doesn't make bad tires. But the 2 I got were 
defective.  

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-7, Kai Vierstra wrote:

> What was the defect? I just set some Big Ones up tubeless, 1 that I had 
> from awhile back in the rear and 1 new for the front from Jenson that I 
> purchased when they were closing them out at $25. The Jenson had two 
> pinholes on the sidewall that had an extremely hard time sealing with the 
> Stan's sealant. It worked in the end but was pretty frustrating. Just got 
> back from a week of beach adventures, no flats, sper fun tires.
> -Kai
> BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[El Sapo]

You won't be sorry. The Clem is incredible. Once you get it dialed in, 
there just isn't anything like it in my humble opinion. I added Compass 
tires and a brooks seat. Puts a smile on my face every time. 650B is the 
perfect wheel/tire. I think Grant made an extra effort to compensate for 
the value engineering. He put a little extra something into the 
Clem. You'll see.

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 6:43:55 PM UTC-7, Doug H. wrote:
>
> Looking to buy a complete Clem Smith Jr H Style 52 cm
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem vs Appaloosa ride comparison

[El Sapo]

I've ridden them both but I have a Clem, so I'm biased. They are different 
rides. The Joe felt like a road bike to me. Not a bad thing, just something 
that I'm not into anymore. I prefer the cushy fat tire ride and love the 
650b wheels/tires on my Clem. After riding the Joe, I had them pull out a 
set of the chocco bars to see if they would work on my Clem? They just 
looked wrong. Love those chocco bars.

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 11:21:30 AM UTC-8, mike smith wrote:

> Has anyone riden both?  How do they compare & contrast?
>
> I have a 59cm Clem and I'm considering a 58 Joe.  91 PBH.
>

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[RBW] Re: What's the longest you have ridden on your Rivendell period?

[El Sapo]

I was looking for somewhere to crow about the 40+ mile ride I completed 
> Friday on my Clem. WoooHooo.
>

The conditions were perfect. it's usually a 16 or an 11 mile ride for me 
when I go out depending on the wind. Decided early that I was going for 40 
and unfortunately bragged about it about 8 miles into the 
ride. That motivated me to finish. 

It's not the distance for me it's finding the time to do it.  

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr, 7 month and 2200 miles in

[El Sapo]

Mark, I understand what you're saying about your hand placement. With me, I 
have the stock grips and in my "normal" riding position, my hands are in 
front of the grips. The brake clamp bolt is under my palms most of the 
time. That's right about the middle of the gripping area. Sliding my 
hands forward from there for a sportier feel or for riding into the wind, 
and moving them back on the grips for more upright riding. 

At some point I'm going to clean that gripping area up. Get a different 
brake that doesn't have a bolt placed up top, ditch the grips and wrap the 
bars all the way to the downturn with the same material. Grant suggested 
that I move the shift levers forward onto the downturn but they don't 
bother my hands where they are. 

That's a cool picture of the postman. Those old style brakes kept the 
handlebar grip area clear of clamps/mounting devices. Hu.   


On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 7:30:51 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:

>
>
> 
>
> Cool pix. Relaxed, Very Relaxed, Fairly Sporty. Sounds like shopping for 
> jeans! I still get confused, but that's another story.
>
> I have the stock Bosco Bullmoose Bars featuring the stock, complete build 
> grips. I moved the bars up and down a bit  once or twice and they seem fine 
> about where they ended up, though a little higher or lower would probably 
> be okay as well.
>
>
> Like 'em a lot. I ride holding the grips with my pointer finger wrapped 
> around the brake 78%, full regular grip 20%, and out in front but with 
> thumbs kinda hooked into the corner made by the bullmoose 2%. I rode most 
> of the way across the bridge on the way home in this last position (except 
> when passing people) which also has the meat of the palms resting 
> partially on the Vs (slight variation: thumbs out of corner, aligned with 
> fingers, hands slightly further from center, running up against the rise). 
> A fun change and fast, rotates my hip nicely and helps the legs really 
> pump. I also change my body relationship to the bars by standing, and by 
> microshifts on the saddle (went from a Brooks Flyer over to a VO Mod 8 
> during the recent sale, digging it so far, apparently I like the extra rear 
> estate).
>
> I like the angle the bars are set at just fine. I'm not overly picky about 
> these things in general. Lucky for me my body usually adjusts quite nicely 
> and I'm good to go. I could clear a third/fourth position I guess by 
> shifting my bell and mirror (shifters are on the stem) but I don't have a 
> need. Maybe if I were doing a century? As it is, I can pedal along regular, 
> or stand a minute and throw 'em around a bit, or do the lean forward 
> time-trial-y thing--it's all good and pretty much natural. The Clementine 
> is a big, beefy, substantial bike, and the Bosco Bulls do a good job of 
> wrangling it. Kinda like they were made for each other. Which in fact they 
> were! Nice how that works.
>
> Patrick, I think the twitchy thing is, they are riding a big bike (can't 
> recall if theirs have front racks/baskets?) and their upper bodies are not 
> fully matured, so going closer to the steering axis, combined with leaning 
> forward, is going to be maybe a little hard to control for them. I would 
> guess they will grow into an alternate position or two, but in any case, 
> just because one uses mostly a single basic grip does not mean you'll go 
> numb or strained, the body finds ways to shift things. Even the difference 
> between a finger around the brake bracket and the five-finger grip puts 
> muscles in a whole different posture. As does standing, or turning, etc. 
> Sometimes I'll just concentrate on an aligned spinal posture, drop the 
> shoulders and elbows, and that creates a difference right there. My 
> grandmother's brother rode a bicycle all day for most of his life 
> delivering the mail in rural Ireland with a basic upright handlebar (more 
> of an Albatross than a Bosco).
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 4:46:00 PM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Hey Patrick. I have a picture here for reference: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/zedmartinez/25692901481/
>>
>> I think if I had the extra 2cm the bullmoose does I would find the 
>> knobs/flats grips too far away for me to really maximize their comfort. 
>> There was definitely a point in the adjustment where they were too far away 
>> (oddly because they were too 

[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr, 7 month and 2200 miles in

[El Sapo]

Great post Zed. I love the boscos. Took your advice and bought compass 
tires and they are great. For me the Clem is just a perfect bike. I'm busy 
adding my own personal touches, but the feel of the bike is special. I 
think it's an iconic bike. It seems like the things Grant wanted to do with 
a bike? The Clem has them all. It defies the norm, but in a way that pays 
tribute to great bikes of the past. 
   

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 7:36:55 PM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:

> After switching from my original albastache build to boscos a while back 
> and getting some more mileage and longer rides under me, I keep meaning to 
> do a proper medium-term write-up on the Clem and just kept being too busy 
> to do it. I finally had a quiet evening to sit down and apparently I had a 
> lot more to say about my past 7 months with the Clem than I expected, so, 
> I'll spare everyone the wall of text, but if you're 4,000 words curious 
> about Riv's economy bruiser, boy do I have a blog post for you. 
>
> The short version is: I probably could have just titled this 'How I Got 
> Over My Own Hubris and Learned to Love the Bosco'
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/2016/06/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/
>

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[RBW] Re: My 1x8 Clem

[El Sapo]

Great build. Great photography. I've never liked racks, but that one looks 
perfect on the bike. 

   

On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 6:53:12 PM UTC-7, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> I know the Joe Appaloosas seem to be all the rage right now — not to 
> mention all the hubbub with the Hubbuhubbuh and the Rosco Bubbe — but I 
> thought I’d share details and impressions of my recent Clem build.
>
>
> 
>
> This bike will be used mainly for local transportation, running errands, 
> and various on- and off-road exploration — in other words, your basic 
> utility bike. While I’ve purchased quite a few parts, accessories, and 
> miscellaneous non-bike stuff from Rivendell over the past few years — plus, 
> I eat bacon/don’t jog and just ride :) — this is my first experience with 
> an actual Rivendell frame.
>
> I went for a minimalistic and utilitarian drivetrain with this one: a 
> single narrow-wide chainring up front and an 8-speed cassette in the rear, 
> friction shifted via a handlebar-mounted thumbie. Here are the build specs:
>
>- Frameset: Clem Smith Jr., 52-cm
>- Headset, BB, and seatpost: Included with frame
>- Crankset: Sugino XD2
>- Chainring: Wolf Tooth Drop-Stop, 110 BCD, 34T
>- Cassette: Shimano, 8-speed, 11-34T
>- Rear derailleur: Shimano XT 780
>- Shifter: Sunrace One-At-a-Time thumbie
>- Chain: SRAM PG870 8-speed
>- Pedals: VP VP-001 Thin Gripsters
>- Front hub: Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo
>- Rear hub: Shimano XT T780
>- Rims: Grand Bois, 32h
>- Spokes/nipples: Wheelsmith DB14
>- Tires: Schwalbe Big Ben Race Guard, 650B x 48
>- Handlebar: Nitto Bullmoose Bosco, Cromo Dullbrite 54cm
>- Brake levers: Shimano T610
>- Brakes: Avid Single Digit 7 V-brakes
>- Saddle: Brooks B-17
>- Headlight: Busch and Muller Lumotec IQ Premium Cyo
>- Taillight: Busch and Muller Toplight dyno
>- Rack: Pletscher Clem, with pannier rails and pump
>
>
> Some initial thoughts:
>
>- 
>
>Despite this being Rivendell’s “budget” bike, I’m really impressed 
>with the build quality of the frame. The lugwork at the seat cluster and 
>fork crown is beautiful, and the fork itself has an elegant little bend to 
>it. The paint job is just gorgeous, and the cream-painted lug windows and 
>fork-crown top are a nice touch. I also appreciate that the frame has 
>plenty of clearance to run wide tires, and it’s got lots of mounting 
> points 
>for fenders, racks, lights, etc.
>- 
>
>It’s a big bike. Of course it’s the long top tube and chainstays, and 
>the wingspan and rise of the Bullmoose Bosco handlebar add to the effect 
>(not to mention the chain needing a few more links over what’s in a 
>standard package). But it’s that long wheelbase — along with 48-mm (actual 
>width is 45 mm) tires — that makes for a plush and comfortable ride. It 
>also has a nice, stable feeling to it — it just goes where I want it to go 
>in a well-balanced manner. And that long wheelbase also keeps my heels 
> away 
>from rear panniers.
>
>
>- 
>
>I’m not entirely sold on the Bullmoose Bosco handlebar. I love the 
>looks, and it provides for a nice upright position and great visibility 
> for 
>the dense and trafficky area I usually ride in, but I find that my wrists 
>are not in an ideal position. It’s not a deal-breaker, but I wish I could 
>rotate the bar downward just a tad.
>- 
>
>I really like the Sunrace shifters. I’ve read that some haven’t been 
>too happy with them, but mine work flawlessly; I haven’t had any ghost 
>shifting or any other problems. Because of interference with the brake 
>lever clamping bolt, I had to rotate the shifter to the top of the bar 
> (and 
>away from Rivendell’s usual method of mounting them), but it’s still 
> easily 
>accessible with my thumb.
>- 
>
>The 1x8 drivetrain works really well, and I love the simplicity of the 
>set-up. The 34-tooth chainring with the 11-34t cassette gives me a range 
> of 
>26-81 gear inches, which is just right for the terrain I deal with and 
> what 
>I use the bike for, and the narrow-wide chainring does what it’s supposed 
>to do — while I haven’t gone over really rough terrain yet, and I’m 
> running 
>only an 8-speed cassette, I have yet to drop a chain.
>
> All in all, I’m very happy with this bike, and I’m glad I took the leap of 
> faith last year to jump on the pre-order special on the frame. The Clem is 
> a great introduction to Rivendell bikes, and I’m now wondering if this 
> might be the gateway drug to picking up more!
>
> More photos of the build can be seen here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/30490050@N04/albums/72157659062048963
>
> Bob E
>
> Garwood, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Will Rosco see the light of day?

[El Sapo]

I recognize that line. My favorite movie of all time. The Searchers. 

So we'll find 'em in the end I promise you. We'll find 'em. Just as sure as 
the... turnin' of the earth. 

I think I might be obsessing a little too much on the Rosco. I know I 
am. Is that Grant's evil plan? Unveil a really cool bike in such 
a ridiculously small number? Not only is it cool, it's exclusive.

I may need professional help. 

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 11:30:13 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:

> Shoulda listened to yer Uncle Ethan!


 

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[El Sapo]

I get the most enjoyment from just observing those guys. I ride a flat 
path. There are walkers, joggers, kids, dogs. Every time I go out I tell 
myself to enjoy the ride and forget about everything else. That lady with 
the Kmart full suspension bike and a bag of groceries passes me? I say 
hello, what a great day for a ride! When I see racers, clubs etc. They 
ignore me, or at least try to. I'm thinking if you are trying to have a 
speedy ride, why are you on this path? Sometimes the conditions are right 
and I might be a little hard for them to drop. In those cases I love to see 
the looks of pain on their faces. Seriously, these guys look like they are 
in pain. I imagine they are battling a case of projectile diarrhea, have a 
chuckle, it takes me to my happy place.  

   

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:

> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Roscoe B

[El Sapo]

I don't know what it is about curved top tubes, seat stays and that bubba 
tube. Any combination, I just like the looks of it. The RB looks huge and 
it really isn't. 

You could easily bring the RB handlebars down low like that Rock 
Lobster. One of the things I noticed on the ride, the bars were way up 
there. The effective TT is 63? It felt less than that. 

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 11:41:34 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

> Funny you should mention Rock Lobster.  There's yet another Paul Sadoff 
> creation that I've been admiring for quite a long while, and that has had 
> me seriously considering as a template for a custom.  This one was made as 
> a mechanic's runabout for the team he sponsors.  Ironically, it has a 
> lugged crown and a kind of precursor to the Choco bar... and, of course, a 
> bubba tube.  Not for everybody (I hope), but it explains why I'm personally 
> so interested in the RB project.
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wjB-O1aSork/Vx5kSbB4qEI/AUo/wOmecYPHKq0nLO99vCn3aUNHjIXGD9M-gCLcB/s1600/IMG_1774.JPG>
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 9:12:51 AM UTC-6, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>> I think Rosco would be a great bike for an alfine setup. Maybe even 
>> single speed. This Rock Lobster has been on my mind for a while 
>> http://www.rocklobstercycles.com/frames/other/     
>>
>> On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 5:23:44 PM UTC-7, El Sapo wrote:
>>>
>>> Extremely cool bike. Road it around a little. Love the way it looks. 
>>> Another classic. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Roscoe B

[El Sapo]

Extremely cool bike. Road it around a little. Love the way it looks. Another 
classic. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosas set free

[El Sapo]

No worries Keith, I'll really be surprised if you don't love your Clem. IMO 
it's an instant classic. Seems like Grant put a few more signature 
(dorky?) features into the Clem then he did with the Joe. 
Those touches make the bike iconic. Plus, it all works together perfectly. 

I cured my desire for a Joe by starting a restoration project on a 86 
Stumpjumper Team. FYI, Neon pink is back!

 On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 12:10:58 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

> Damn it!  I couldn't jump on the pre-sale partly because of cash flow at 
> the time, but also partly because I didn't know if my recently-purchased 
> Clem was going to work out.   
>
> Now all these months later, I STILL don't know if my Clem is going to work 
> out, because it's still snowing every stinking day, as it has pretty much 
> since I received the thing in October.   Worst and most un-fair release 
> schedule ever for a bicycle.   
>
> *I can't believe that, in the time since I ordered my Clem, the Appaloosa 
> project was announced, built, shipped, received, ridden by many buyers in 
> gentler climates, and is now released in frame-only format!*  
>
> Hopefully the Clem will work and/or bubba won't offer a good replacement 
> and/or one of these frames will be left, in my size and color, come June, 
> when I know more. 
>
> On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 12:49:42 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> The rrumoured freeing of the Appaloosas has happened, in a limited 
>> fashion. Three of each colour/size can be had as F Tempting...
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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[RBW] Re: How to Determine the "Correct" Tire Pressure?

[El Sapo]

Just got some compass tires and had a dumb question. Are they directional? 
The 2 file tread patterns go in opposite directions beyond the straight 
center tread. Should the file tread be facing a certain direction? If so, 
which one?

Sorry if this has been discussed before. 

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 10:25:32 PM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote:

> One of the most common questions I get asked is what tire pressure is best 
> for performance and comfort. After years of studying tire performance, the 
> amazing answer is that tire pressure doesn't matter much... I wrote a piece 
> on why that is the case, and what it means for every rider as they set up 
> their bikes:
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/tire-pressure-take-home/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
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[RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

I'm curious what shifter setup Riv shows on their bosco bar pictures. Looks 
like shimano. What is the mount and the shifter? I'm going to change out the 
brake levers to get the bolts out from under the palms of my hands. I want that 
whole area of the bars grip able. What lever do you guys like?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dia compe knob grip?

[El Sapo]

Thanks Keith, I ordered them from SJS. Keeping my fingers crossed that they 
are in stock. 

On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:

> 22.2 is the diameter of the grip are of the bar of the bosco and most 
> upright / mtb bars.   23.8 is the grip area diameter of most drop bars.
>
> By resurrecting this thread, I take it you found a current source?  
>
> Missed the thread when it was new, but here are some pictures of how I use 
> them.  Same way as the stoker dummys were used on the original XO-1.  They 
> give a little more knee clearance, but still make the extra grip position 
> viable.  I love them and use the position often on long rides.   Sadly, the 
> bars aren't this pretty any more.   Must have taken these shots right after 
> building the bikes.
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Yu0_KxwAEh8/VsDq207jxhI/ARE/Vh0rEVctOiw/s1600/Moustache%2BAR.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H1A0yQFpqNY/VsDq8kSWh6I/ARI/BJ-voLIYYLw/s1600/Moustache%2BXO.jpg>
>
> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 8:57:19 AM UTC-7, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>> They have a couple of different sizes. 
>> 22.2 & 23.8
>> Which is the right one for the bosco bullmoose?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

I keep shopping shifter setups and buying different tires. I was going to try 
1.5 after having 2.35's on the bike. Like posted above, Riv told me the Clem 
works best with a fat tire. I actually like the Kenda Kwick 1.75. Was told that 
the Compass tires will be a lot lighter. So I ordered up a pair in a similar 
size. I'm still getting the bike dialed in. I road both the Joe's at the shop. 
Great bikes, I'm happy with my Clem. Those Choco bars are fantastic.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dia compe knob grip?

[El Sapo]

They have a couple of different sizes. 
22.2 & 23.8
Which is the right one for the bosco bullmoose?

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[RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

I did a couple of 16 mile rides over the weekend and only had 1 bad shifting 
experience. I took care when shifting and limited the amount of shifting I did. 
It's a flat ride on a paved path. So maybe I'm getting the hang of it. I mostly 
go from one gear to another and back. Shifted most of the time with the click. 

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Re: [RBW] Grocery Run

[El Sapo]

Great pictures Deacon. I'll use those images as motivation to get out there 
when it's brutally cold here in the Bay Area. Like in the 40's

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

Bill, thank you for the breakdown. My points of comparison are very limited, 
mainly 5-6 speed shifters on 80's mountain bikes. So I really appreciate the 
time you took to explain the Clem setup. I'm not going to change to a barcon. I 
like the set up how it is. l will look at the other options you suggested. 

It is a great bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

I'm still searching for the perfect 650b Clem tires. Saw someone call 
themselves the Emelda Marcos of bike tires and I could easily go that 
direction. I'm back to thinking something in the 38-40 range but nicer than the 
stock Kendra's. Compass, Kojack, Pari Moto? Anything you reccomend for paved 
trail.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

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I don't encounter much road debris. Some thorns, I did get a flat on a Big 
Apple on one bike. I have the marathon supremes on 2 other bikes and they have 
never flatted. The Big Apples roll better. Cushier. Since my 52 Clem has 18mm 
wide rim I didn't want to go too wide of a tire. I weigh 190, and 1 1/2, 38 
should be OK. There is a Schwalbe Almotion coming out that interests me, It's a 
2" tire. I rode the Big Ones a couple of times. They were fast as hell and 
light. I'm looking to get something more durable that will be light and fast in 
a narrower tire.  

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[RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

Hey Bill, just for my own clarification, these Clem shifters have "click" 
indexed stops. My understating of friction shifters is that they are without 
the indexing click stops. 

So what happens is that the shifter wants to find the click, the index point 
and rest there. But that's not the right place so you have to pass it and come 
back or find a intermediate spot. You'll see soon enough what we're talking 
about especially if you are riding hills.  

 there are plain friction and 8 speed indexed shifters available. I can't 
figure out why Riv went this way? Can you?

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[RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

Riv has not been too concerned with shifting. Maybe around the time of the 
Simple One release, it seems like I saw a picture of a stick in someone's 
hand described as a shifter and another story about a guy sitting on the 
ground with his rear wheel off the bike and the passing bikers saying 
"Rivendell gear change."



On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 5:43:29 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've run Ultegra bar-ends on Albas for many miles. You'll notice the bars 
> suddenly being longer on mounts/dismounts and sharp turns, but it becomes a 
> thing you unconsciously adjust for after a few rides. I've tried lots of 
> different types of shifters, but always gravitate back to bar-ends 'cause 
> they're so dang easy to reach and grab. Plus you get lots of room on the 
> bar for alternate hand positions. I even put them on my new Clem with 
> Boscos, but haven't ridden enough to know if this is going to work on such 
> a long-reach-back bar. I'll keep y'all posted!

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[RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

I don't understand why the shifting was set up like it was. It's not a good 
thing. I've used friction exclusively and it's fine. What doesn't work is the 
clicks. I get surprise shifting and slipping gears. the click is a fixed point 
and it's usually the wrong setting. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

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Thanks Weth. That's an excellent write up. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

[El Sapo]

That's a valid observation about the bosco bars lack of a forward position. 
I've slammed my bosco bars down to their lowest possible position and I still 
feel better with my hands forward of the grips on top of the brakes/shifter. I 
thought I saw a bosco bar setup with some type of knob or something attached 
right there where the bars dip. Something like that would be really useable. 
I'm starting to think about putting drop bars on my Clem. I just need to clear 
the bad skinny tire / drop bar experiences out of my head.

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[RBW] joe appaloosa photos

[El Sapo]

It looks like the choco bar has more rise and less forward extension than the 
bosco. I gotta go in and ride that thing. Love the mustard color. Thanks for 
the great pictures. 

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[El Sapo]

I noticed/felt a buldge in the rear tire at 35psi. Took it off and checked the 
tube, remounted with everything looking good, and the buldge is right where it 
was before. I'm using Schwalbe tubes. It's about 1/4" buldge. Any suggestions 
for a fix before I go for warranty replacement?

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[El Sapo]

I ordered the 27.5 from Schwalbe USA in Washington State. They were delevered 
to the Bay Area in 3 days. I checked before I ordered and they said that they'd 
just arrived.

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[El Sapo]

Took a short test ride with 20 psi. Pretty impressive considering that's under 
the lowest recommended pressure.  Next time out I'll go with 35 see how that 
feels. Light and fast Glad I waited for the 27.5 to come out. 

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[El Sapo]

There are so many great pictures. I noticed one where the bike has bosco bars 
with knobs? The knobs are forward of the brake levers. What is the setup on 
that? 

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[El Sapo]

Well as posted, there's no reason to worry about clearance.

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[El Sapo]

I have the marathon supremes and the big apple tires on other bikes. 1.6, 2.0 
supremes and 2.1 big apple. I got the supremes for easier rolling and higher 
pressure. I weigh 190. Turns out that the big apples roll better. Significantly 
better. I changed out the bearings on one of my bikes because I thought It 
should be rolling easier than the the bike with the big apples. So this is 
totally scientific LOL. Love the 27.5 and can't wait to roll on the big ones. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[El Sapo]

I took that as sarcasm. He's serious? 

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[El Sapo]

Mine are being delivered tomorrow. :) 

 

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:46:23 AM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote:

> I installed these tires last week but never got to go on a ride as we had 
> some cold temps and snow since then. I still need to install some 
> superlight tubes w/ sealant. They measured around 56mm when first 
> installed. I'll give them a couple weeks before re-measuring.
> I got a chance to commute with these installed on my Clem this morning.
> In short, they're wonderful. Very similar feeling from going from Paselas 
> to Compass tires on another bike. 
> Obviously, they're big tires but very low weight. With Clem's super long 
> chainstays and my winter coat on, I couldn't see what gear I was in. I was 
> surprised to find out that I was pushing 86 gear inches for the entire 
> commute without needing to shift.
> We'll see how long they last in the long term - that'll probably have to 
> wait until spring as I'll be swapping in some Smart Sams shortly. A second 
> wheelset is starting to sound appealing as well.
> The good news is that my Clem will still fit fenders - the fork really is 
> the limiting factor, the rear I think would fit a 29x3.0 tire. I think I'll 
> have to re-think my no-fenders situation as it was a messy commute with 
> lots of dirty slush.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
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[RBW] Re: I bought a Clem!

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It's a quality ride Joe. You're going to love it. 

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Whelp, this wasn't quite the plan to start the new year (SPOILER: I didn't 
> have one). The Riv email this week alerted me that there might be a few 
> 45cm Clem frames still in stock, then no more 45s for an age or two. Well 
> this creaky old guy prefers the low stepover of that bike, and I have 
> oodles of parts that will fit it. Will thought the two colors left were 
> green and grey, so asked me which I preferred. Tough question! I landed on 
> green and lo and behold, they had one frame left...green! SOLD!
>
> PS. I have a touch of Aspergers, and my major achille's heel is talking on 
> the phone..I reeeally don't like it. Will couldn't have been kinder or more 
> easy to talk to. I can't emphasize enough how much that's appreciated. 
>
> Joe "leave a message at the beep" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG

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Very cool bike. If it shares some ride characteristics with the Clem, I 
think the buyers are going to be extremely pleased. I'd want the bullmoose 
choco bars if I a choice. I think I saw it written as coming both w/stem 
and bullmoose in the info, maybe by design? 

On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 4:46:23 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:

> There's a thorough description of the Joe on the latest BLUG.  I 
> especially like the photo of the fist between the seat tube & the fender.  
> It also talks about where this bike fits into the line-up, between Sam & 
> Hunq, and differences with Atlantis.  Good stuff all around.  At $2,400 
> it's the deal of the yearand next year too.  
>
> dougP
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[RBW] Re: So how lively is the Clem?

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Clem seems to get tangled up with my pink team stumpy in the garage a 
little too often to be coincidence. He's definitely spry.  

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 3:16:54 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:

> Now that the Clems have been out in the wild for a while now, how "lively" 
> do people think the frame is? I know Riv built this frame to be on the 
> tough side, but my briefly owned Cheviot felt pretty lively to me, so I'm 
> wondering if the Clem is in that ballpark (though I think the Cheviut 
> benefits from not having a top tube 0/0/0 wall thickness!)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Daume
> Dublin, OH
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Protovelo Appaloosa on SF bay area craigslist

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I road that (or it's twin) at the shop one day. I remember reading about 
Grant's vision for it and seeing the frame online. Understood that it was 
way out of my league. I was caught a little off-guard to see it in 
person. I must have looked like a kid in the candy store standing 
there next to it because they pretty much forced me to take it out for a 
ride. Since I couldn't afford it, I didn't really want to like it. Ended up 
having an awesome ride, but I wasn't a fan of the Bosco Bars. Didn't the 
Boscos come out right about then? Funny thinking about that now since I 
love them on my Clem. 

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 5:12:37 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:

> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/5348378811.html
>
> For those of you who just can't wait for the new one or liked the original 
> Joe better.  Is this someone on the list?
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

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Garth, I agree. But, I'm still the kid who put another slick on the front wheel 
of my sting ray. The bike shop guy made me bring in a parent to approve before 
he would install the tire. Of course I just wanted it because I thought it 
looked cool, but I sold it to my parents as a necessity. I used to carry 20 lbs 
of newspapers on the handlebars of that bike every afternoon. Save me some of 
those yams!

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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

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I've ridden noting but Schwalbe and now those 1.75 Kendra Kwik 7s? that 
came on the stock 52 Clem. Like you, I think the Clem is begging for a 
larger tire. I think my wife's small Clementine has Kendra 26 x 2.1, and 
they feel nice. Clems are supposed to fit a 60mm - 2.35 and that's what I'm 
going to put on mine eventually. Although those gum wall Compass tires are 
calling my name I'm holding out for the 27.5 Schwalbe Big One to be 
released next year.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote:

> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as 
> I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
> something larger.
> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, or 
> micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my Clem 
> for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
> comfy.
> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Re: New Winter Project: Another 650B conversion, thanks in part to you

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If you appreciate lugged or steel bikes, 1988 -89 is probably the end of the 
era for Schwinn and the other industry leaders. 

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[RBW] Re: New Winter Project: Another 650B conversion, thanks in part to you

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I still have a soft spot for the Schwinn Varsity that my dad bought me. It 
was orange, probably 1965 or 1966. Rode it really hard and 4-5 years later 
I broke the frame. The old man took me to the Schwinn shop to get it fixed 
and they gave me a brand new bike. Schwinn fan for life.   

On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 4:44:36 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> So I sold a few bikes to pay for a mountain bike.  You guys snapped up two 
> of my three 650B bikes, and wanted the frames, but not the wheels.  
> So I found myself with a surplus of 650B tires, and tried to sell off 
> some, but you hardly bought any of them.  
> So, it was irresistible, unavoidable that I buy a cheap vintage road bike 
> to do a 650B conversion on.  Right?  Right!?
>
> I worked at a Schwinn Shop through the mid 1980s, so I have a long 
> standing softspot for mid-1980s Schwinn road bikes.  A standard ebay outing 
> includes searches for Paramount, Peloton, Super Sport, Prologue, Circuit, 
> Premis.  They were all made either in the US or Japan.  Many had Columbus 
> or Prestige tubing.  They had great fork crowns for 650B, generally.  The 
> only downer was that virtually all of them did not have fender eyelets.  A 
> recent find had me looking through an archived scan of the 1985 Schwinn 
> Catalog.  Flipping the virtual pages I was reminded of a model I had been 
> overlooking: the Schwinn Tempo.  The 1985 Tempo was the number 4 model road 
> bike (Paramount > Peloton > Super Sport > Tempo).  The Super Sport and 
> Tempo both have a Columbus "Tenax" label, but the not-very-well-kept-secret 
> was that Schwinn bought up a whole mess of cosmetic blem Columbus SL and SP 
> at a discount and agreed to label it Tenax.  Thanks to the sneaky light 
> tubing, the stock bikes were respectably light.  List weight of the Tempo 
> was 22 lbs.  An added plus is that the Tempo was the only "Competition" 
> road bike that year with eyelets for fenders.  
>
> So, having added the Tempo to my standard search, I found one almost 
> instantly on ebay.  It looks like a completely stock attic-find.  I got it 
> at a half-way decent price ($249) and a horrible shipping cost ($95), but 
> now I've got my Winter Project, again, thanks to you.  I'm going to do a 
> 650B conversion on this nice 1985 Schwinn Tempo.
>
> 
>
> Anybody want to trade me or sell me a Nitto stem with a 25.4 clamp 
> diameter and a 10cm or 11cm extension?
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Blue Clementine

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I like the skinwall tires. What are those?  I'm kind of surprised by how 
many frames were sold. I thought it was complete bike only and you could 
get your money back if that didn't work for you..  

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:45:41 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

> Got my Clementine frame and began the build, pic attached.  The blue is 
> nothing like the turquoise-y color of the prototypes – it's much more 
> gray-blue, very similar to the blue Hillborne color.  Very classy and 
> attractive, but I suspect my wife (for whom this is destined to be a 
> Christmas gift) would have preferred the turquoise.  Oh well – donees can't 
> be choosers, or something like that.  The bike is really cool, whatever the 
> color.
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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

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I'm on the other end of the problem. Where are the 650b plus size road tires? 
There are plenty of knobby offerings in the 2" - 2.35" size but nothing like 
the big apple isn't one and neither are the supremes. Anyone have suggestions? 
I ride paved trails. 

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

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I'm a bullmoose handlebar lover. But after riding this bosco bullmoose, I think 
it's better (for me). Ive moved on from drop bars. This Bosco is going to make 
me move on from mountain bike bars. Keep in mind that your hand position can 
move from the grips (way back) to a point where they are right at the head 
tube. That's plenty of posture change for me. I think people are going to love 
the bosco.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

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Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.

I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's the 
Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a brand 
new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  

 
On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:

> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem but 
> the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long chain 
> stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it seems the 
> joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the Clem 
> geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but that being 
> said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a different 
> price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one day due to 
> their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun riding it, 
> that hasn't changed.

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[RBW] Re: Clementine tire size?

[El Sapo]

The small Clementine that my wife has came with 26x2.1 Kendra tires. My 
medium Clem came with 650B x 1.75 Kendra tires

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 8:23:26 PM UTC-7, Reid wrote:
>
> OK, I see that the max tire size on the chart is 60. Does anyone know what 
> size the bikes will have as delivered?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Reid
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RE: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

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That should be a great looking bike. Tape or grips for the handlebars?

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

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Mark, my PBH is 86. I ride 23" mountain bikes. I prefer riding a larger bike. 
The downside being That they have a 180 crank. I did the Sheldon Brown crank 
calc once and it came up 172.5. I think that's what is on my medium Clem. So I 
set the seat at 28" like my other bikes, and that was too low. Moved it up and 
that somehow lowered me into the bike. I've had a custom fit bike, and I'd 
totally forgotten how that felt until I got this one dialed in. It's my first 
new bike in 30 years. I think it's going to be a classic. I can't wait to see 
some pictures, better pictures, my photography is weak.

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

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I have more pics of my wife's Clementine but I can't get my posts thru the site 
censors. Somebody needs to vouch for me or something?

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[RBW] Re: Clem Geometry

[El Sapo]

Keith I think the 59 is going to be perfect for you FYI the blue one is 
more like the blue from the previous Rivs not dark 

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 9:17:45 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was trying to see what the effective top tube lengths are for the Clems. 
> I am getting a small frame for my boys to grow into and was trying to 
> figure out what kind of stem/bar to get.
>
> I could wait until it arrives, but that would leave me nothing to do in 
> the meantime!
>
> Was there ever a chart posted?
>
> I can call if not.
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

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I rode the proto at the shop and it was different. I think it had regular bosco 
bars and a brooks seat. This one has a more upright ride. FUN! That's the 
medium 52 It looks like a small bike to my eye, but it's not. The frame is 
light compared to my 80's MTB's. This bike has a comfortable vibe that says 
slow down and enjoy the ride. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem Geometry

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Picked mine up this morning at the shop.:)

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 9:17:45 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was trying to see what the effective top tube lengths are for the Clems. 
> I am getting a small frame for my boys to grow into and was trying to 
> figure out what kind of stem/bar to get.
>
> I could wait until it arrives, but that would leave me nothing to do in 
> the meantime!
>
> Was there ever a chart posted?
>
> I can call if not.
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Clem Geometry

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Keith, don't you want to be between the stand over heights? I would think 
it would make it harder to choose if you were right on one of the numbers.  


On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 11:22:21 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

> If the standover works for you, I think you're golden.  Me, I'm still 
> worrying.  Since they're shipping out in just a few days, this will by my 
> last obsessive, worry-driven, over-analysis.  Looking at the Clem and Hunq 
> charts together again, I just noticed something else.  Based on the 
> standover heights alone (which is the starting point in the normal process 
> of selecting a Rivendell bike), the sizes of these TWO MODELS COMBINED work 
> out very well in increments such that there is no overlap. Given all the 
> other similarities, its almost as if they're designed to work together:
>
> - *45 Clem* (74.9cm)
>  >  1.6cm delta
> - 48 Hunq (76.5cm)
>  >  2.6cm
> - 51 Hunq (79.1cm)
>  >  1.7cm
> - *52 Clem* (80.8cm)
>  >  2.0cm
> - 54 Hunq (82.8cm)
> 
>  >  3.9cm
>
> - 58 Hunq (86.7cm)
>  >  1.6cm
> - 5*9 Clem* (88.3cm)
>  >  2.3cm
> - 62 Hunq (90.6cm)
>
> My size, of course,  falls squarely in the middle of the *BIG* gap, 
> between the 54 and 58 Hunqapillars.   (Which is also squarely between the 
> 52 and 59 Clems.)   Other bike models that happen to share a 
> mysteriously-missing size, at the exact same increment, are the  XO-1 
> (57cm) and a Atlantis (59.5cm).   You know how, in the Clem Brochure, Grant 
> said that there's this weird, cosmic thing happening between Rivendell and 
> Shimano, whereby if they really like something it is sure to be 
> discontinued?  Well, there's this weird cosmic thing happening between me 
> and Grant whereby the bikes he's designed, that I am most attracted to, 
> don't really come in my size.
>
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 10:29:17 PM UTC-6, Tim Wood wrote:
>
>> Keith, great analysis. I have to admit, I thought I had a good grasp on 
>> fit and geometry charts, but can honestly say that I have I no idea how 
>> front centre translates to ride and fit. I come from a road background and 
>> always based my sizing on tt length and head tube (a little thought was put 
>> in to ht/st angles but again I didn't know how they translated).  For years 
>> I have been under the assumption that I needed a 57/58cm tt and that's 
>> that. So the thought of a 64cm tt is a lot to wrap my head around. 
>>
>> Like you said,I'm going to trust in the process and method and hope it 
>> all works out (gulp). What reassures me is the comparison you make between 
>> a 59 Clem and a 58 hunq being close in size and fit. I'm not sure why this 
>> reassures me cuz I've never ridden a 58 hunq, but I feel like if I were to 
>> buy one I'd buy a 58. Yikes. 
>>
>> Anyway, not gonna stress about it, just gonna open that box when it gets 
>> here and ride off in to the sunset with my bars high.and hope that I 
>> can reach them. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[El Sapo]

Blue, different from the protos, not as dark. I'm liking it. The ferrules are 
festive like Grant said they would be. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

Hahahaha, Bike size is one of my biggest fears with Riv. I'm about the same 
size as Grant, so you'd think it wouldn't be an issue, but like you, I seem 
to fit 2 sizes on every bike they make. The Clem is an exception. I 
fit right in the middle of the 52 size range. I'd guess that 59 Clementine 
in the Blug is set up for someone over 6'-5"? 

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 9:39:57 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

> They only posted those pics., with bikes set up that way, to taunt me, 
> personally:  "See - you really SHOULD have ordered the 52, and the 59 that 
> you *did* order really IS going to be too big."
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 10:20:48 AM UTC-6, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>>
>> Un-dorky. I imagine my Clem will look like this only better. Riv markets 
>> their bikes so well, it shocked me that they would post up those particular 
>> pictures with the bikes set up so unrealistically.  
>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
> and Clementines.  
>

Could they have made the bikes look any more dorky on the blog?

   

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

 I was surprised at how much I liked the Bosco bars. When given a choice, I 
 prefer Bullmoose bars, but the way the Bosco felt was really nice. I think 
 it's perfect on the Clem. I was expecting beach cruiser and instead got 
 a less upright, more natural posture. I'll probably upgrade the seat and 
 maybe the shifters. I'm thinking about putting the Bruce Gordon RnR gumwall 
 tires on it.


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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

Will they actually take until late October or can we hope for an earlier 
date? Anyone have experience with Riv timelines?

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!


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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[El Sapo]

Glad to see they sold out. Went into the store to check out a Clementine 
for my wife, we road them around, she was sold and insisted that I get 
a Clem for myself. 


On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
 and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
 Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
 must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
 for late October!


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[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?

[El Sapo]

The one Riv that would probably crack open my wallet is the Sam, and I was 
in the store looking at it really seriously, but it just doesn't take the 
tires I'd wan to run, or have the canti brakes I'd want.   
 
So, I keep shopping around, see steel bikes w/luggs, flat top bar, expanded 
frame, laid back geo, canti brakes and fat tire clearance, 
 
I end up buying yet another 80's Stumjumper, bolt on some Riv assessories 
and ride.  

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[RBW] WTB Riv bike

[El Sapo]

Looking for a used Riv. Prefer a 54 Hunq, 56 or 58 Atlantis or older/other 
models that will accept tires 38mm (1-1/2) or larger and canti 
brakes. I'd also entertain a 58 Homer or a 56 Sam, or a Bomba that would 
fit me. My PBH is 85.
 
Frame or complete bike.
 
 
 
 
 

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[RBW] Re: 2013 Riding Plans anyone?

[El Sapo]

 I will be building up and riding an Atlantis alot this year. That cool 
 vibe (homeless guy) I've been putting down on the bike trail riding one or 
 another of my harem of restored 80's MTN bikes is due for a major 
 makeover. How you like me now?

 

 As Manny advised above, I've started to stop in the middle of my ride to 
 take in the sights. I might even carry a flask on a cold day and enjoy an 
 adult beverage. 

 
I also plan on finding out where that trail that goes under the bypass 
leads. 
 

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Re: [RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

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I like the bare metal look alot. Is that clear paint or clear powder over 
the bare metal? Is there any color diference at the lugs? Can you see the 
material used to connect the tubes to the lugs? I've seen bare metal fillet 
brazed bikes and the color difference between the steel tubes and the 
gold brazed areas looks pretty cool. 
 
I also wonder if you've had any issues with rust? I'm in the Seems like I 
read something from Grant where he said he wasn't going to send out bare 
metal frames because the finish wasn't holding up. 
 

I'm partial to clear coat over bare metal: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8155803596/in/photostream 

But purple and orange sound good too. 

jim m 
wc ca 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

[El Sapo]

 I road that thing around the parking lot and it's unique in the way it 
 feels. Nothing MTN about it at all, smaller tubes, not very similar to the 
 beefy Bomba IMO. It has the diga-tube, but if you saw them side by 
 side.Not similar to any of the other Riv bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[El Sapo]

 I wish I hadn't seen those gold Riv decals on the bare metal frame. Now I 
 want those. 

 
 

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[RBW] Re: Poor Man's Hunqa/Bomba?

[El Sapo]

I'm afraid that the Bomba and the Hunq are more than a collection of their 
angles. I've collected and refurbished a few 80's bikes. I have a 83 
Stumpjumper, an 84 Stumpy Sport, an 89 Rockhopper Comp, an 89 Ritchey, and 
an 83 Sequoia. 
 
Anyone have a Riv they want to trade? 
 

  

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[RBW] Re: Specialized Sequoia

[El Sapo]

It's a great bike. I've had a lot of fun on mine. I was able to solve the 
seatpost / Brooks saddle issue by getting the SR MTE 100 adjustable setback 
seatpost in that weird size. I also put a riv stem to get the bars up above 
the saddle. The 32 tires just fit. Doubt that you could fit those and 
fenders. I'm probably going to go with the 28 ruffy tuffy, that the tire 
size that specialized put on the bike originally.
 
The bike is bigger than I thought. Mine is 58 c-c, so it's like a 59+ in 
comparison.
 
Still trying to get a first post. Help me mods. I'm not an animal. 
 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:37:52 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I have an opportunnity to buy a 60cm Specialized Sequoia ($650) in almost 
 new condition. My interweb research has let me know that these bikes have a 
 dedicated following. I was wondering if anyone here has one and could 
 possibly tell me their thoughts about the bike and also, if the price is in 
 the ball park?

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[RBW] Re: Stem length question - WTB shorter replacement - how short???

[El Sapo]

I have the same issues with a too long 12cm tallux stem. I've raised
it as high as I can and it's still feels wrong. I'm going to just
switch it out for a 9cm and go thru the different heights. I really
don't thing you can solve this feel w/mathmatics. I've tried scale
drawings...  Good luck.

On Oct 1, 9:29 am, Jay robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a Sam Hillborne with a 10 cm stem Technomic and Noodle bars 5
 cm above saddle height.

 This feels too short. I can reach all the various positions with my
 arms almost totally straight, but not locked.

 Also, I would like to try lowering the bars a few cms. Dusting off my
 high school trig - lowering the stem 3.25 cm puts the bars 1 cm
 farther away. change in stem height. With my current stem this is too
 far.

 So -
 1. Do I want 8 cm or 9?
 2. Does anyone have one they want to get rid off?
 3. Does anyone want to buy the 10 cm, with 500 miles and a few
 scratches on it?

 Jay

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