This isn't really an answer, I realize, but the 48mm Oracle Ridge very
recently released might be a lower-risk option well worth considering.
Sounds like it has some further refinement from the Fleecer packed into its
design, for a modest drop in volume.
On Thursday, 13 August 2020 at
I have a hard time believing anyone outside the Riv-fam will find the
curved top tube of the CHG attractive ;) Honestly, the silver-grey proto
looks like a 1990s "multi-track" hybrid bike to me; extremely low key IMO.
It'll be a TIG frame in the ~$900 range (I hope), but more importantly
Yesterday I went for a ~50km ride with a couple buddies, and we had to lock
up our bikes at the entrance to the park because it was no bikes - which
was stressful for me on the Hillborne. Now, my Clem I am comfortable
locking up in those types of situations, but it's really tough to keep up
First off, there's nothing you couldn't do on the CrossCheck that you could
do on the Hillborne. Both are exemplary do-it-all bikes. But if you did
make the switch, I can personally attest you'll find that:
- The Hillborne rides smoother
- The Hillborne tracks nicer
- The Hillborne feels more
Huh! I live within a short walk of Grin Technologies and this is the first
I've heard of them.
Jason in Vancouver BC
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Cheers Brett! It's denim bar tape from Analog, although I bet you could do
it with the leftovers of a jorts conversion if you don't mind some loose
ends. The denim is great when wet - still just as grippy, soft, and a nice
warmth to it. I live in a very wet climate so that's an important
iding on either size.
On Friday, 7 August 2020 at 12:13:40 UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On 8/7/20 3:03 PM, Jason Fuller wrote:
> > While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the
> > difference between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head
>
>
> Th
While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the difference
between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head and you'll be able to ride
either tire in basically any of the same situations and the bike will do
the job. That Redwood looks great and seems like a perfect all-rounder
and Ultegra headset. This frame was a
>>>>> 58
>>>>> c-c, IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> For anyone under say 250 lb who does not carry camping loads, a second
>>>>> top tube is ornamental, not structural. Amen.
>>>&
I can imagine it's useful once you get into the 60cm range, since the
average rider weight is going up while the structural triangulation of the
frame is going down. But I can't deny that I love the totally unnecessary
extra tube on the Hunq so who am I to judge.
The "unnecessary tube" I
s and the angles.
>
> Update! Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal
> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
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>> Ad
Did you ream out the seat tube for the Paul post, assuming it's 27.2 and
your frame was 26.8?
On Wednesday, 22 July 2020 at 16:51:18 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> Ha!
>
> Yes, I have a wholesale account, so I build up nice bicycles now and then
> for charity, and it sort of doubles the value of my
I would throw money so hard towards you I'd pull my arm out of my socket if
that were my size.
On Monday, 20 July 2020 at 07:22:21 UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
> PM sent. let me know if you don't get it.
>
>
> On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:16:49 AM UTC-5, John Beaston wrote:
>>
>> Culling the
I have Tektro 720s on my Hillborne and they're okay. Their power is fine
and their price is hard to beat, but they have limited adjustability. IRD
Cafam are a nice brake with Paul-like adjustability (great!) but for their
price you're too close to Paul pricing to not make the jump, IMO.
As
I go with this simple formula, which may not be exactly right but it's
close I think, and good for comparing one size to another.
26" = 559mm
650B = 584mm
700c = 622mm
Tire outside diameter = rim diameter + (2 x tire diameter)
ie 650b x 42 would be 584 + 42 + 42 = 668mm -> your radius is
Interesting info Rich, now you've got me dreaming about swapping my Sam
bits onto a Homer and rebuilding the Sam as an upright bike. I use the Sam
for long distance road riding a lot, with light loads. I know the frame is
overly stout for that job, but it still goes pretty well! I'll also
Cheers Rich, the XO is running on 26x1.25 Pasela's and VO 650B 50mm
'snakeskin' fenders that I've managed to squeeze down to fit the 26" pretty
closely. They are also available in 26" but these were hand-me-downs.
On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 at 06:57:34 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
> Jason,
>
> You
The XO-1 is a very cool collector item, but I'll come right out and say it:
it is overpriced for its ride quality, due to its collector status. For a
Sunday driver I think it's a great bike but for an everyday, long distance
road bike, the Roadini has another 30 years of Grant's experience
My B17 has been drenched quite a number of times over the course of the 12
years I've had it. It looks great today with no uneven watermarks like
that - I admit to being too lazy to read if this has already been mentioned
but applying a coat of leather conditioner will blend that away!
On
>From Jan's recent blog post on RH about tire selection for the PBP, he is
convinced that the larger volume tires in the Herse lineup roll just as
fast as the narrow tires--and that casing will be the main factor. Despite
the data to back it up, it's still rather hard to believe; I expected the
I feel compelled to update this thread with the photo of the two prototype
Gallop's from the RBW email today; built up one and the orange frameset.
The orange one sells it for me a lot more. I still think it should be
built around 650x47 instead of 700c, but maybe it's meant to replace the
I am loving the wider Nitto Noodle model drop bars (actually I'm on a
Simworks 50cm variant but same profile) for a fast-yet-capable build. The
extra control is super nice, yet I can still tuck and hammer along
pretending I'm on a carbon road bike if I want. Add to that a lightweight
wheelset
I don't have one, but the 26" wheeled 50cm Atlantis in the garage sale
section of Riv's site notes 77.5cm and since the BB drop etc should be very
close if not the same, I expect that would be your answer +/- tire
differences. Hope this helps!
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 16:32:55 UTC-7 Joel
It is, Patrick - thank you for the detailed info that just feeds into my
predisposition to buy Rene Herse stuff :D This bike was on the sale list
for a while, but I'm thinking about hanging onto it a bit longer--and if I
do, I know those tires are on the list!
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I think largely it came down to two things: 6 degree slope became the norm
for the top tube, and it probably rotated around the center point - so the
seat end dropped, shortening the seat tube, and the head tube side went up
a bit, increasing max bar height. The other thing is everything got a
They are expensive, but I would opt for the Simworks 74mm fenders for 55mm
tires. If it's the latest version Atlantis with the same fork crown as my
Clem H, these big fenders should fit. The Flat 65 would also work, though
I don't like the look as much personally.
On Saturday, 27 June 2020
If your Atlantis is the latest version with increased clearance, you should
be able to fit Rat Trap Pass and the Simworks or Rene Herse 74mm fenders.
I have this combo on my Clem H, which has the same fork crown and probably
similar seat- and chain-stay clearance as well.
On Saturday, 27
Bin Chen - yes, I asked them about this a while back and they said there
will be 26" options coming, but I think the timeline was something like end
of this year. Sounds like the 26" will be around 2.1"
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 08:31:29 UTC-7 Bin Chen wrote:
> Any word if 26” owners will
nd how wide are the rims?).
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:09 PM Jason Fuller wrote:
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>> I would say 26 x 1.75" Panaracer Pasela will be hard to beat for this
>> criteria. Other options I know of being Surly Extraterrestrial 26 x 46c
>> and Sc
irst.
>
> Again, for *occasional* light dirt use, sandy soil. I can fit up to true
> 45s, I think. There was a similar thread on the boblist recently but that
> was about 559 X 2"+ tires.
>
> How wide are your 1.75 Paselas (and how wide are the rims?).
>
> Thanks.
&g
I would say 26 x 1.75" Panaracer Pasela will be hard to beat for this
criteria. Other options I know of being Surly Extraterrestrial 26 x 46c
and Schwalbe Marathon.
On Wednesday, 24 June 2020 at 13:15:52 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
> God willing, I'll have a new 26" wheel frame into which to
I echo the sentiments before me, spectacular collection of photos!
On Sunday, 21 June 2020 at 15:02:51 UTC-7 Deacon Patrick wrote:
> In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm
> to wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.
>
>
Indeed Patrick - in the first photo, there is a six-lane freeway just the
other side of those bushes on the right. :)
On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 20:04:20 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Amazing how those MUPS can have a secluded feel to them!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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I came across your bike Brian when researching ideas for how to run a tail
light wire on my Sam, just an hour ago, and immediately thought of it when
I saw this thread!
Related to that, I'm considering brazing the Rene Herse taillight on my
Sam, but in all likelihood i'll go with fender
I totally agree that a more moderate sweep and short reach is much better
for off-road control than Bosco type bars - I am LOVING the look of your
GBW here! If i were just a foot taller, i'd love to ride that rig!
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Maybe a more concise way to say what i meant would be:
We all have very different life experiences, which lead to very different
world views. all of them are valid. but it's important to recognize where
those differences in life experiences might come from, and that the
relevance of yours vs.
I would never claim there's a singular correct view on how to fix the
problem, but I will certainly maintain there's only one correct answer to
whether there is a problem that needs fixing. A common theme in my world
view is that diversity is a positive thing, and that goes for opinions too.
Babyshoe Pass here, standard casing, 2 or 3 flats over 4500 km, no flats in
the past 2500 km. I find them long-wearing and plenty durable for my 70/30
mix of pavement and gravel. I really enjoy the ride they provide, but I've
never ridden Gravel Kings which are probably pretty nice too.
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> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 1:48:29 AM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
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>> Puttered around on the Clem for a bit this afternoon - can't say I aired
>> any of these jumps!
>>
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I can't imagine this post will last too long, despite the Moulton
connection!
But glad to see that he's aware and acknowledging that these issues persist
today, and I for one am happy to see you bring it up. These kinds of issues
get labelled as political, but that's a cop-out. It's about
Funny, I've been wondering the same sort of thing with my Hillborne. In the
dozens of bikes I've owned over the years, none have had this magical
ability to just gingerly float over everything like the Hillborne. I had
the exact same build (incl wheels and tires) on a Soma Grand Randonneur
SAME EXACTLY!
On Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:05:13 UTC-7, dstein wrote:
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> Awesome! Glad it sold and I don't have to keep thinking about this bike
> that fits me and I want at a great price but totally don't need.
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Aaron, I tend to agree with you on all counts. I don't see myself warming
up to this anytime soon (or ever), but I think part of the problem is it
really doesn't jive with the drop bars. I get that it's immensely practical
at least, but hopefully it'll undergo some further refinement.
On
Dang, that is a beautiful new wheelset and a heck of a pair of bikes. The
purple nipples with the touch of gold is precisely my plan. This motivates
me to get my XO-1 sold, since that's what's primarily funding the new
wheelset.
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Seen in Sal's instagram stories... reasonably good chance this is the
prototype based on the geo diagram from an old blahg post. I'm not sold on
the top tube yet, but like most Rivendell innovations, they take a while to
absorb for me.
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Absolutely love the new wheelset and tires. Must have knocked a good bunch
of weight off the Clementine. I plan to do something quite similar to mine
- and mine will be purple & gold!
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in A wrote:
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> Wouldn't that be the AHH? They have 650b wheels to size 58 with clearance
> for a 44 (or tight 48).
>
> Collin in Sac
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> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 11:40:44 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
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>> I'm a broken record on this by now but I'm anxiously await
Good reminder Erik - I have studied that image and indeed I've been
withholding spending money on a new wheelset for my Clem because there's a
non-zero chance I will jump on the presale of that frameset, given the
chance. The posted geometry is a 700C frame and is probably my size (I
might be
I'm a broken record on this by now but I'm anxiously awaiting Rivendell
coming out with a Roadini-adjacent model with increased clearance and a
couple more braze-ons.
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I'm just a couple hours north of that area; this is the north shore
mountains above Vancouver, BC. I wish we had the beautiful network of
forest roads that WA has! I envy the rides I read about in BQ, although
our terrain is closely matched. We have very few public forestry roads
near town,
Funny that Rosco's are likely coming back (per Will) in one form or another
to use up the Hillibike 650b fork mishap inventory. Being a huge clearance,
segmented fork I have to assume the rest of the frame would be a little
different as well.
On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 09:50:56 UTC-7, Jason
I have an Abus Bordo that lives with my Clem (water bottle attachment) that
I use to lock the frame & rear wheel to bike racks. If i have to leave it
in a risky spot for any length of time I'll bring a Kryponite U-lock (the
small orange model) and lock the frame with it as well - I figure two
Do you find the knobby tires and metal fenders make for a loud combination
on gravel / dirt? I have just slightly knobby tires with mine and it's a
constant symphony of "bt bt clack bt" as small pebbles travel
through - and I can feel when a rock hits one of the bolts! My plan is
Whether the current Sam is too long, too short, or just right certainly
depends on your body type but for me, it's perfect. I have a 51 that fits
me spot on, and I believe strongly that in order to really love a bike, it
can't just be close - it needs to fit. For my 50cm drops I run a 5cm
For a traditional road bike, such a short stem might be strange but for a
more all-road or all-terrain style bike, I think the long TT / short stem
combo is great because it gets the front wheel further out in front of you
for better stability / less chance of endo, reduces or eliminates toe
I have to think those ZTTO 8 spd wide range cassettes (paired with a
Shimano 8spd derailleur and chain, drop link if necessary to get the
derailleur up onto that big cog, and friction shifter) is the ideal
scenario - and cheap, to boot! I think that's the route I'll go when I
eventually wear
I've said more than once that I'd rather a second Hillborne than any other
bike, that's how much I love the Hillborne - this might make me put my
money where my mouth is! Haha..
(and to explain, I'd have one set up with drops, slicks, and fenders - and
the other would have knobbies and an
Wow, that's great! I have to imagine some luck went into that as well, but
needless to say RBW doesn't treat obsolescence the way most bike makers do.
I'm more of an email than a call kind of person, which doesn't really jive
with RBW's preferences, and I find I sometimes don't get responses,
Cheers Jon! They are 650x42 Babyshoe Pass wrapped in 58mm wide Honjo H79s.
They are an ideal combination for me, quick yet capable for all sorts of
roads
On Thursday, 7 May 2020 11:20:48 UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado wrote:
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> Jason
> What tire size and fenders?
> Beautiful bike. Thanks
Great deal and beautiful build, in my size and as a fellow Canadian no
less. Unfortunately for me, I have two too many bikes already (also
selling) and no bike funds for the next bit. I hope you do not need to
reduce further to get that thing sold!
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I interpret Hillibike as a modern interpretation of a Klunker. Basically
ditching all the new technology, but refining what's left. Anyway, that's
more an esoteric discussion and has little to do with where you can ride
the bike - I agree with others that you'll probably be working a lot harder
Yeah, it's hard to pin down exact details but that's a pretty solid modern
XC mountain bike. The members here are extremely knowledgeable about
certain types of bicycles, but this thread has been kind of funny to read
as a life-long mountain biker. Obviously, the consensus here would be she
Good idea on the Rhyno Lite / XL - I ran one of each on my trials bike back
in the 90's and on a MTB or two as well!
A friend also mentioned the Velo Orange rims, which I had forgotten about -
27mm outside / 22mm inside width is a nice middle ground too, plus they
come in polished for a
In the context of riding only the streets indicated in the article, totally
agree that the pictured mountain bike doesn't make sense. I was assuming,
if it's her bike, that she does ride trails on it. My point was the
intended purpose of that bicycle is quite different than the Clem, and when
This thread reminds me how far off the "beaten path" this group really is,
haha. That bike looks like a pretty decent mountain bike, and while I love
to romanticize about the joys of a simple, capable bicycle as much as any
Riv owner, telling someone they should give up their much-more-capable
This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on
my Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe
the extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported. Or maybe
the Atlas is wide enough to address that. I'll probably run Gravel King
Oh wow, that's beautiful. Naches Pass I assume? It's making me
second-guess my decision to go with fatter tires / fenders on my Clem
instead of those.
I feel like 95% of people who try moustache bars come to the same
conclusion. I'm not sure if it's because you need a super short stem to
There is a huge wealth of information available on places like
bikepacking.com - there are a lot of fancy setups, but one of the
foundation principles of bike packing / touring is that ingenuity and
creativity is a great replacement for money. Also "bikepacking" is
typically considered to be
Myself, I'd probably want to paint it after a classic bike I've been inspired
by (Riv or not) so the colour has context, rather than just one I like the look
of.
But what about this vintage machinery green:
https://images.app.goo.gl/NP2K6S87MsJrpdpq6
(Hope that works)
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Leah, I've thought back to that sentiment that you've stated, about how
Clems, despite being the most pedestrian of Rivs, manage to out-do their
bejazzled counterparts quite a few times. I thought about it when reading
that SF Craigslist ad of the 50cm Atlantis, and how it's for sale because
"Gravel Peterson"
Why buy direct from Riv when you can pay double on eBay!
On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:45:55 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> I won't link it but there's an NOS Clem F/F/HS on Ebay. $1800! Plus
> shipping!!!
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I'm one of those people who just can't get into the look of a step thru
bike, with one exception, and that's the Clem L. There is just something
magical about its appearance; I expect it's the fact that it's the most
practical bike geometry there is, which transcends previous concepts of
Beauty of a build! I had the same path to Rivendell ownership, landing on
a Hillborne for basically exactly the same purposes (with a little bit of
credit card touring mixed in). I had a similar concern about it being a
bit heavy duty and sluggish, coming off a lightweight randonneur
Ha, I have a Clem H and am constantly fighting a nagging desire to upgrade
to an Atlantis / Joe in similar size. But for me, it's purely vanity that
draws me in (those lugs, those colours).
However in my case, it would be going from a 45cm Clem H to a 50cm Atlantis
/ 51cm Appaloosa, and for
Right, I did know that but had forgot. Nonetheless, it seemed like an
awfully practical addition to the lineup - I feel that there's a huge gap
in the affordable TIG lineup between the Clem and the Roadini, where
something akin to the Surly Pack Rat (but better executed with the latest
Grant
Fender installation is an exercise in patience and attention to detail, for
sure. I just ordered a set of Simworks / Honjo 74mm fenders for my Clem H
45 will be interesting to see how I make out with them, as I have to
re-radius them to fit the 26" wheels then shoe-horn them into the frame
Ha, I had noticed that the 50cm was listed as 26" in the geometry page, but
650B on the frameset page. I emailed Will about the discrepancy a little
while ago, but hadn't heard back about it. Now I know the truth!
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beauty of a build, and it's nice to see a smaller sized Riv, since it seems
like most owners are tall. even in my size (50-53 based on model), i don't
see much representation!
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I never know when to believe that a model is truly retired, as it seems
some pop back into existence for a new run after some time away. For
instance, if a fresh crop of Roscoe (high TT) dropped, I'd probably have to
get one, but I have no idea if that will happen or not.
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Funny, I'm going through a similar process with my Clem H. I swapped over
everything from my upgraded vintage MTB city 'beater', so it's a somewhat
eclectic mix of mostly economy-based parts, with a good sprinkling of fancy
parts as well. The result is a pretty heavy bike - and it's mostly due
Yeah their stuff is pretty expensive, but not over-priced. Might be
overkill for a lot of people though (not unlike a $1500 lugged steel
frameset ;) ). Pricing is definitely a product of quality of materials and
MUSA labour, and their stuff is more labour-intensive to make than a shop
sack,
I don't have a shop sack, but I can offer a hearty endorsement for the Swift
Sugarloaf, which I've used as a daily carry for about four years now. It's more
expensive and smaller volume (I think), but also made in USA, top notch
quality, nearly waterproof, and has some organization pockets etc.
I live in a high bike-theft city, so choosing an extra sturdy rack,
checking it that it's in good shape, making sure to lock to the right part
of the rack, using two locks (and going around at least one wheel) is just
part of normal lock-up. I also always try to lock up in front of a cafe or
Thanks for posting the in-progress update Joe! Looks very nice. Can't
wait to see it with paint.
If I were looking at a custom, I think it would be designed around 26 x 2.1
with 65mm fenders, and I'd alternate presently between Naches Pass and
Gravel Kings. I'd push for medium trail, and
hehe, somebody got fooled.
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Any of my complimentary pairings would have to have one bike that's
relatively lively and suitable for comfy road tires, and the other would
have to have generous tire clearance and be able to carry a fair bit. An
AHH / Joe Appa combo would be my choice probably as of today, though I have
Those more "enlightened" use things like reach and stack to better
determine a bike's fit - and also consider what these should be based on
different handlebars and so forth. But that's not most people, and in the
case of Rivendell, you have to do a bit of diligence to even find those
Some very good visuals there! And while much of the article doesn't
translate very well, I loved this translated line: "Riv has the ephemeral
nature of a frame that is going to become vintage in a matter of seconds"
I jumped on one of the last remaining 45cm Clem H's (46cm stays) because I
Obviously this isn't a good year for spring traveling but SERIOUSLY, book a
trip to Vancouver BC for late March / early April next year. I'll organize
the ride. We have the most cherry blossoms in the world outside Japan.
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While I have a good group of people here I enjoy riding with, I really
enjoy a long ride alone. Part of it is that I'm not so keen on schedules,
so riding alone gives me flexibility there. Another part is that not
everyone I ride with has a bike capable of such varied conditions, so when
I
First off, beautiful build. That's a well-curated build. Secondly, your
trio is my (present day) ideal trio, and I have two of the three currently!
For me it's slightly different in terms of duties, but not all that
different (Clem = everyday utility bike, Hillborne = road-based adventure
I understand the need for a low-key bike, but also not wanting an actual
pedestrian frame. My solution was a Clem H with a bunch of decals. This
solution looks like it must ride fantastically. I don't, however, condone
selling your Sam H based on it being too pretty - I am betting you'll
I love Rene Herse tires but I would buy a different brand for tubeless.
They seem to be more fickle than other brands for tubeless. Maybe the
endurance casing is better?
60 psi is very high for 44c, I run my 42c at 40 - 45 psi. That would be
the first adjustment I would make, personally.
Cheers all! The Sam is my fancy bike while the Clem is quite a budget
build - almost everything was transferred over from my modestly upgraded
vintage mtb commuter. I would prefer to trade in the XO-1 for a
knobby-tire Appaloosa build, but since that would be 4+ times the price I
could fetch
I really appreciate you saying so Ed, I was feeling a bit self-conscious
about the vanity photos - not meant to show off as much as share my
excitement :)
Joe, yes it's a pretty fun bike beyond the collector factor, though the Sam
does everything it does 90% as well, plus does so much more
What a find! Definitely one of the more beautiful bicycles I've ever seen,
and timeless at that. Hard to imagine why someone would have sold it, but
good job scooping it up.
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Yeah, I expect Grant could vastly improve the AR without changing or losing
the plot. While he's built some very long bikes lately, I have to assume
that Grant would still make a bike with lightweight tubing, relaxed-sporty
geometry including medium-length stays. I hope so, at least!
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Fair enough Patrick, I have had bikes with varying amounts and I should
have been clearer that I think some toe overlap is OK for me (ie my 51 Sam
has some when I run fenders) and I've also never had an accident due to it
(also rode fixed a good while on a bike with a fair bit of overlap) but I
Toe overlap is one of my gripes with a lot of Riv bikes - while it's
generally a product of appropriate geometry, rather than a design input, as
mentioned wheel size is a big contributor and IMO if you've got anything
more than slight overlap, then the wheel size is incorrect.
IMO any bike
The Cava's 'knobs' are flush with the casing, which were the ones I was
referring to - the Rosé is as you describe but I agree they won't be as
fast. I have them on my Sam and find them reasonably quick but certainly
slower than the Babyshoes!
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