[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Grady Wright]

Please report back when you get your new sam or the chance to ride the 
different sizes. I am wanting to get a sam for a dedicated drop bar rando 
bike. I am  6'1" PBH 90 and my 60cm Appaloosa fits just how I like with a 
wavy style handlebar. I'm thinking about buying a 60cm SH from my local 
shop but a little concerned about it being big for me using drops. Would 
love to hear about your experience.

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 8:59:10 p.m. UTC-6 Collin A wrote:

> David,
>
> You are in Berkeley, you should BART over to RIv World HQ and test one out 
> on the local loop up in shell ridge (its dry and perfect riding conditions 
> right now!). Last I remember there is a 57 demo with billie/alba, but might 
> be worth calling them first before making the appointment.
>
> Collin, also in Berkeley, but with an 81cm PBH.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[Chester]

Nick Payne wrote:

On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 1:03:44 pm UTC+10 Chester wrote:

Really appreciate bigger sensors being available in pocketable packages. I 
don't ride in jerseys any more, so I haven't settled on the best way to 
carry even a really compact camera like an RX100 or GR. Even when just 
riding with my phone, with it in the pocket of a normal pair of shorts, 
it's not a great to wrestle it out while pedaling. Have ridding a couple 
times with the RX100 in a stem pouch and that's probably the best carry 
option I've used so far. Ir maybe that sort of bag worn on a belt, or...a 
fanny pack.


For carrying phone/cameras, I've been using one of the Routewerks handlebar 
bags for several years. 


That looks really really practical. I need to do a deep dive into getting a 
new handlebar bag. Would like a bigger one and one with a quick release so 
it's less fiddly to not leave my bag behind when stopping somewhere while 
riding around town. Using mustache handlebars complicates things a little, 
but deciding to go with pink accents even more so.

Think for larger cameras with interchangeable lenses, even if a relatively 
small one with a not-big lens, is gonna be best carried in a bigger 
handelbar bag. Using a shoulder strap with a stabilizer strap works well 
too, but I just don't want the weight on me, even if it's not all that 
much. 

So far, for the RX100, a stem pouch has been pretty good, and I've stuck a 
folded innertube at the bottom of the bag to raise the floor and make it 
easier to get the camera out while pedaling. But this definitely won't take 
an MILC, unless it's an especially small body and especially flat pancake 
lens.

Another camera that I wish I had to try out for carrying while riding is a 
Panasonic LX100. Pretty compact all-in-one with a 24-75mm (equiv) zoom and 
m43 sensor. 

Chester
SF Bay Area

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Re: [RBW] Sugino XD2 Crank Arms 175mm

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have the rings and bolts if anybody needs them. Make me an offer.

--Eric Norris
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> On May 20, 2024, at 1:26 PM, J Imler  wrote:
> 
>  Image from Wayback Machine.
> 
> Arms only, no rings or bolts. PM for actual photos. $70 plus shipping CONUS.
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Chester]

John Rinker wrote:

'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt." 
-John Muir


Beautiful desert landscape. Don't envy the sun exposure but envious of 
rambling through that without cars around. 

eric...@gmail.com wrote:

Great views, Chester!


Thanks! Enjoyed your last video with the shop tour.

krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

I have always wanted to ride up Montebello Road and explore, when I lived 
in Mountain View, California. Unfortunately, the road was gated and closed 
to the public back in the 1970's.


I was a surprised when, after getting onto the gravel/dirt Monte Bello Road 
through the gate by Vidovich Vineyards, I saw a Monte Bello Open Space 
Preserve sign. I'm not all that familiar with the geography of the ridge of 
the mountains and it never really dawned on me that Monte Bello Preserve 
extends to include Black Mountain and Monte Bello Road, even though I've 
hiked in Monte Bello Preserve up to the "Black Mountain Backpack Camp," and 
have walked down a stretch of Monte Bello Road toward Page Mill.

On my ride up Monte Bello from Stevens Creek Reservoir, it was dusky by the 
time I got to the top. So ditched my plan to ride on northwest to Page Mill 
and down to Foothill Expressway, and just turned around and came back the 
way I came. Will try to do it as a bigger loop, next time.

Chester 
SF Bay Area

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[RBW] FS: Sugino XD2 Crank Arms 175mm

[J Imler]

 Image from Wayback Machine.

Arms only, no rings or bolts. PM for actual photos. $70 plus shipping CONUS.

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

For those who are getting a Periwinkle Sam ... what color combos are you 
planning for your build?

I've ordered a purple Funky Monkey front cable hanger from Paul. Not sure 
it's going to be a good match. I have Phil Wood blue bottom bracket dust 
caps ... they'll probably match okay, not sure. The one that Riv built up 
for photos seems to be straight up gray-silver-black, and IMO it looks very 
nice. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Will the 50cm Susie be too small?

[iamkeith]

I'd second the opinion that you want the medium.  As another with a 
proportionally long torso, Rivendell (or even most other bikes)  rarely 
have a long enough top tube for me.  The beauty of the susie is that you 
can get a longer bike and still have standover clearance.  You might find 
the stack height a bit tall, but you can play with stems to de-emphasize 
that.  It'll probably be the best-fitting bike you've ever owned.

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:23:44 PM UTC-6 Ginz wrote:

> How long are your arms?  For me, that would be the deciding factor as to 
> whether I'd want a longer or shorter top tube.
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:37:05 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> I am 5'6 with an 83 pbh and not long torso. For me, the medium Susie is 
>> perfect. The bike overall feels big in a very fun way but the dimensions 
>> within the cockpit are quite comfy. In fact, my bosco bars are a little 
>> closer than I'd normally choose but the bike came with them and I'm not 
>> sufficiently motivated to make any changes. In this photo, the top of my 
>> saddle is at 72 and the bottom of its rails are at 64. There is plenty of 
>> room to lower the saddle. On the other side, the dirt drop stem, which you 
>> cannot see, is completely slammed. With a different combination of stem and 
>> bars, you could likely make it work for you. I think it depends on whether 
>> you instinctively prefer a compact feeling frame or a larger one. I've 
>> always liked being on larger-feeling bikes. When in doubt, call Rivendell 
>> and ask their opinion. Good luck!
>>
>> [image: Susie M.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:34:17 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey y’all, longtime lurker here. Looking to potentially pick up my first 
>>> Riv and have a few questions about sizing. Maybe someone with similar 
>>> measurements and own a Susie/Gus could chime in. 
>>>
>>> I’m looking at the 50cm in gold color. Riv says:
>>>
>>>
>>>- 50cm  (650B wheels): 74-76cm. Saddle height: 63cm to 65cm
>>>- 53cm (650B wheels):  77-88cm. Saddle height: 66cm to 77cm
>>>
>>> My PBH is: 76.5cm-78cm measured multiple times. I’m 5’6 with a longer 
>>> torso. 
>>>
>>> Saddle height: 64cm (most of my bikes are Riv inspired vtg MTBs with 
>>> upright bars and this feels comfy for me)
>>>
>>> Seems like I'm on the edge between Med / Small. Can the small fit 
>>> without feeling too cramped? FWIW, I rode a Gus test bike years ago at 
>>> Rivelo here in PDX while it was still open. They were fantastic, but 
>>> unfortunately I can't remember if I rode a small or med size frame.  
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Will the 50cm Susie be too small?

[Ginz]

How long are your arms?  For me, that would be the deciding factor as to 
whether I'd want a longer or shorter top tube.

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:37:05 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am 5'6 with an 83 pbh and not long torso. For me, the medium Susie is 
> perfect. The bike overall feels big in a very fun way but the dimensions 
> within the cockpit are quite comfy. In fact, my bosco bars are a little 
> closer than I'd normally choose but the bike came with them and I'm not 
> sufficiently motivated to make any changes. In this photo, the top of my 
> saddle is at 72 and the bottom of its rails are at 64. There is plenty of 
> room to lower the saddle. On the other side, the dirt drop stem, which you 
> cannot see, is completely slammed. With a different combination of stem and 
> bars, you could likely make it work for you. I think it depends on whether 
> you instinctively prefer a compact feeling frame or a larger one. I've 
> always liked being on larger-feeling bikes. When in doubt, call Rivendell 
> and ask their opinion. Good luck!
>
> [image: Susie M.jpg]
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:34:17 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey y’all, longtime lurker here. Looking to potentially pick up my first 
>> Riv and have a few questions about sizing. Maybe someone with similar 
>> measurements and own a Susie/Gus could chime in. 
>>
>> I’m looking at the 50cm in gold color. Riv says:
>>
>>
>>- 50cm  (650B wheels): 74-76cm. Saddle height: 63cm to 65cm
>>- 53cm (650B wheels):  77-88cm. Saddle height: 66cm to 77cm
>>
>> My PBH is: 76.5cm-78cm measured multiple times. I’m 5’6 with a longer 
>> torso. 
>>
>> Saddle height: 64cm (most of my bikes are Riv inspired vtg MTBs with 
>> upright bars and this feels comfy for me)
>>
>> Seems like I'm on the edge between Med / Small. Can the small fit without 
>> feeling too cramped? FWIW, I rode a Gus test bike years ago at Rivelo here 
>> in PDX while it was still open. They were fantastic, but unfortunately I 
>> can't remember if I rode a small or med size frame.  
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Chris Halasz]

Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300): 

https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html

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Re: ThRe: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26"

[dylan green]

The 56 in maine won't ship...at least the last time I asked. 

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 6:43:11 AM UTC-7 Logan Eiland wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> I have no relation to or knowledge of the seller, but here's a FB 
> Marketplace link to a 56cm Toyo Atlantis 
> . 
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'bikesrfun' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Saw this, no relation to the seller:
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/198538
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 12:01:25 PM UTC-7 Jerry Lynn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brian---
>>>
>>> Yes - you get it - you get 26" wheels. I've been racing since I was 12 
>>> years of age and when I moved up to 700C a bit of the magic, the fun was 
>>> gone. When the XO-1 was released I jumped on it. Nimble, quick 
>>> acceleration, and to you point "bombproof"
>>> Congrats on having secured a Toyo Atlantis 26" - wishing you many fun 
>>> and bombproof miles!
>>>
>>> ---Jerry
>>>
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 at 07:42, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 Best of luck! I feel very fortunate to have found my 54.5cm, 26” Toyo 
 last year and it has been a real joy to ride. Being on the shorter side 
 (5’8”, 83 PBH), I’ve always appreciated the frames designed around a 
 smaller wheelset, and you can’t beat 26” for that lively handling and 
 bombproof wheel strength. I could easily ride a 56cm, and wouldn’t 
 hesitate 
 to pick up another if I were to ever find a good opportunity in that size 
 as well.

 Brian
 Lex KY 

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[RBW] WTB: 54 homer or roadini

[Greg Sonstein]

I would really like to find a 54 mermaid roadini. I am
Also open to similarly sized homer, just not blue or gold. I’m selling my
57 roadini because it’s too big for me.


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[RBW] Re: ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

[Michael Morrissey]

I've brought 2 Ortliebs as luggage to Europe in 2019. There was no issue. 
Maybe bring a big pillowcase or plastic bags as backup (you could put the 
whole bag in a pillowcase) in case they give you trouble about the outside 
latches. Worst case scenario, they might have you check the bags. 

Go for it. 

M


On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 9:21:14 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:

> Would any of you share your experience in using an Ortlieb backroller 
> panniers as airline  carry on luggage,.
>  
> That is of course without getting kicked out by TSA.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Bernard 
>  
>  
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Platypus in Mermaid

[Ari Kelman]

I'm located in Davis, CA. I'd be happy to meet someone in the Bay Area or 
the Sacramento region for a test drive. Thanks!

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:56:31 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Kelm,
> Location ?
>
> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:39:07 PM UTC-7 kelm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Shimano ders, Paul brakes, WI bb, Silver crank, Boscomoose bar, Nitto 
>> post, Riv-built wheels (WI hubs/Quill rims), etc.
>>
>> The bike has been ridden three times. $2500 obo. Includes  extras.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> [image: Platy.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Neale S.]

Ted - it was the Rincon Red Box road the entire way. Puts you out on 39 a 
little above the reservoir. My first time doing anything in that area. It 
was tough but none of the grade or surfaces were unreasonable - just long 
and a lot of climbing. 

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On May 19, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Neale S.  wrote:
>
>
> I had a blast! Did the triple scoop and it was a beast, took me all day. 
> The aid station at the top of the single scoop was a mountaintop party. I 
> saw Armand and a few other Riv riders. Lots of other cool bikes, and plenty 
> of good vibes. 
>
>
> Wow, I had no idea there were trails connecting Mt Wilson and Glendora. 
> That looks like an amazing (ly difficult) ride!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Not that we need a reason.

[Matthew Williams]

I was listening to this story just minutes before you posted the link!


On May 20, 2024, at 7:45 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:

I found this interesting.  Please enjoy your day.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/20/1251561467/biking-knee-pain-longevity-arthritis

Peace,  Curtis

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[RBW] Re: Not that we need a reason.

[larson....@gmail.com]

Thanks Curtis for the link. This completely mirrors my experience. I had an 
MRI on my left knee in 2009, and was a candidate for a knee replacement in 
the near future. I took up cycling in 2010 after a twenty year hiatus and 
have ridden over 40,000 miles since then. Other than some daily aches and 
pains, my knees are in good shape and no talk of any knee replacement.. My 
weight, cholesterol, heart rate and blood pressure are better than at any 
time in my life. I will be 62 in November. I do believe healthy eating is 
an important part of the overall health equation, and I do walk about 1200 
miles/year. Movement is medicine!
Randy in WI

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:45:27 AM UTC-5 Curtis wrote:

> I found this interesting.  Please enjoy your day.
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/20/1251561467/biking-knee-pain-longevity-arthritis
>
> Peace,  Curtis 
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[RBW] Not that we need a reason.

[Curtis McKenzie]

I found this interesting.  Please enjoy your day.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/20/1251561467/biking-knee-pain-longevity-arthritis

Peace,  Curtis

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[RBW] Re: FS: 4 pairs of 2XL Rivendell Aussie wool boxer briefs

[Julian Westerhout]

Sold. Thanks!   

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 3:38:30 PM UTC-5 Julian Westerhout wrote:

> For Sale:   3 pairs of brand new-never put on @XLAssuie Wool Boxer briefs 
> from Rivendell:   https://www.rivbike.com/products/aussie-wool-trunks   
> These are great, but I really like a longer inseam on my boxers, so…. 
>
> A fourth pair was tried on and washed — it’s included as well — so 4 pairs 
> in total. 
>
> These sell for $46 each from Riv, so  $138 for 3 or $184 for 4. 
>
> I’m asking for $75 new to me plus shipping for al four pairs. 
>
> Contact off list, please. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il
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Re: ThRe: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26"

[Logan Eiland]

Jerry,

I have no relation to or knowledge of the seller, but here's a FB
Marketplace link to a 56cm Toyo Atlantis
.

Good luck.

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'bikesrfun' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Saw this, no relation to the seller:
>
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/198538
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 12:01:25 PM UTC-7 Jerry Lynn wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian---
>>
>> Yes - you get it - you get 26" wheels. I've been racing since I was 12
>> years of age and when I moved up to 700C a bit of the magic, the fun was
>> gone. When the XO-1 was released I jumped on it. Nimble, quick
>> acceleration, and to you point "bombproof"
>> Congrats on having secured a Toyo Atlantis 26" - wishing you many fun and
>> bombproof miles!
>>
>> ---Jerry
>>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 at 07:42, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> Best of luck! I feel very fortunate to have found my 54.5cm, 26” Toyo
>>> last year and it has been a real joy to ride. Being on the shorter side
>>> (5’8”, 83 PBH), I’ve always appreciated the frames designed around a
>>> smaller wheelset, and you can’t beat 26” for that lively handling and
>>> bombproof wheel strength. I could easily ride a 56cm, and wouldn’t hesitate
>>> to pick up another if I were to ever find a good opportunity in that size
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Lex KY
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Re: [RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

[Steven Sweedler]

That never came up

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 9:11 AM Bernard Duhon 
wrote:

> So TSA  does not reject the pannier’s hardware when you carry it on the
> plane?
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Sweedler
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2024 6:42 AM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.
>
>
>
> I’ve used one of mine with the shoulder strap a few times and found I
> prefer a backpack while I drag two bike boxes in and out of the airport.
> The single shoulder strap was not as stabe as the backpack.
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 9:21 PM Bernard Duhon 
> wrote:
>
> Would any of you share your experience in using an Ortlieb backroller
> panniers as airline  carry on luggage,.
>
>
>
> That is of course without getting kicked out by TSA.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
>
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RE: [RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

[Bernard Duhon]

So TSA  does not reject the pannier’s hardware when you carry it on the plane?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steven Sweedler
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:42 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

I’ve used one of mine with the shoulder strap a few times and found I prefer a 
backpack while I drag two bike boxes in and out of the airport. The single 
shoulder strap was not as stabe as the backpack.
Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 9:21 PM Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:
Would any of you share your experience in using an Ortlieb backroller panniers 
as airline  carry on luggage,.

That is of course without getting kicked out by TSA.

Thanks

Bernard



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Re: [RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

[Steven Sweedler]

I’ve used one of mine with the shoulder strap a few times and found I
prefer a backpack while I drag two bike boxes in and out of the airport.
The single shoulder strap was not as stabe as the backpack.
Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 9:21 PM Bernard Duhon 
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> Would any of you share your experience in using an Ortlieb backroller
> panniers as airline  carry on luggage,.
>
> That is of course without getting kicked out by TSA.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bernard
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[RBW] Re: FS: Salsa Casseroll Canti front rack

[Todd G]

Bump

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:53:29 PM UTC-7 Todd G wrote:

> Rack is still available
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:00:17 AM UTC-7 Todd G wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I purchased this Salsa Casseroll canti front rack here about 2 weeks ago, 
>> but have since decided to run a different front rack.
>>
>> Link to photos  - $80 
>> shipped, or $65 picked up in Sacramento, CA
>>
>> Please feel free to reach out with any questions. 
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Platypus in Mermaid

[Kim H.]

@Kelm,
Location ?

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:39:07 PM UTC-7 kelm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Shimano ders, Paul brakes, WI bb, Silver crank, Boscomoose bar, Nitto 
> post, Riv-built wheels (WI hubs/Quill rims), etc.
>
> The bike has been ridden three times. $2500 obo. Includes  extras.
>
> Thanks!
> [image: Platy.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

A whisky and go to bed early!

BL in EC

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:00:44 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> Great job!
>
> What are you doing to celebrate?
>
> On May 19, 2024, at 7:45 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> One of my 2024 goals is knocked down.  I stated the goal:
>
>
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>
> I did my fifth summit of Diablo today on my fifth different bike.  Pics 
> prove it:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>
>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>> *something 
>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking 
>> W's.  
>>
>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>
>> 10,000km ridden
>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>> birthday as a regular event
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Jason Noonievut]

Great job!What are you doing to celebrate?On May 19, 2024, at 7:45 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:One of my 2024 goals is knocked down.  I stated the goal:Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikesI did my fifth summit of Diablo today on my fifth different bike.  Pics prove it:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about something , so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.  My big picture goals for 2024 include:10,000km riddenSummit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikesPut myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevetComplete the Marin Mountains 200k brevetComplete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on WandrerComplete 25% of Marin County on WandrerRide 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my birthday as a regular eventBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Re: SOLD: Heron Road frame & fork, 60 cm; $600 + shipping

[Tom Goodmann]

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 12:20:36 PM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

One last effort to sell this never-built 60 cm Heron Road frame and fork 
only. As all will know, these bikes were designed by Grant at Rivendell as 
a collaboration with Rona Components, then owned by Ted Durant. and produced at 
Waterford. This beautiful blue-green road frame bears serial number B00055, 
and was built in February 2000 with Reynolds 531 tubing. (For further 
information, all of the original Heron web pages are still accessible: 
http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html). 
Designed for then-available short reach brakes, and 28mm tires with fenders 
(RH Chinook Pass); 30mm tires will also fit, depending on actual dimensions 
and rims. For wider tires, some riders have happily converted these to 650b 
using long reach brakes that were not available when the frame was made; 
Tektro 559s, as usual, or similar.
  The frame bears only the slightest mark on the inside of one rear 
dropout, probably a sign of having been fitted with a wheel at some point; 
it is otherwise pristine with all decals and the Heron head badge in 
perfect condition. I'm asking $600, plus shipping and insurance. 
  I'm selling because I am moving. (Meanwhile a local friend has sold 
me a beautiful custom Riv road bike, made by Curt Goodrich for Douglas 
Brooks. So, n-1; n+1 = 0, at least for now).

Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/ Questions are 
welcome; thanks for reading.  

Tom 

P.S. Coming soon: XO-3 with S couplers, size 59.

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[RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

[Bernard Duhon]

Would any of you share your experience in using an Ortlieb backroller panniers 
as airline  carry on luggage,.

That is of course without getting kicked out by TSA.

Thanks

Bernard



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Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Ted Durant]

On May 19, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Neale S.  wrote:
> 
> I had a blast! Did the triple scoop and it was a beast, took me all day. The 
> aid station at the top of the single scoop was a mountaintop party. I saw 
> Armand and a few other Riv riders. Lots of other cool bikes, and plenty of 
> good vibes. 

Wow, I had no idea there were trails connecting Mt Wilson and Glendora. That 
looks like an amazing (ly difficult) ride!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Atlantis 2022 MIT frame + fork/headset/bb $1,250 + shipping

[larson....@gmail.com]

Hey Jay,
Did you get this sold?
Randy in WI
On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 Jay Bird wrote:

> In good condition and rides great. Has some scratches from normal use (see 
> photos), no dents. 
>
> Bought it late summer of 2022 and ended up riding my Clem L more often, so 
> am just going to stick with that and clear up the garage. 
>
> BB and headset included. $1,250 plus shipping. Located in Tucson, AZ. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

One of my 2024 goals is knocked down.  I stated the goal:

Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes

I did my fifth summit of Diablo today on my fifth different bike.  Pics 
prove it:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on 
> how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average 
> 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity: 
> i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>
> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
> *something 
> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good 
> thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T. 
> goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.  
>
> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>
> 10,000km ridden
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
> birthday as a regular event
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: TA Carmina Crankset & Spider - 110mm bcd/165mm/Black

[Johnny Alien]

Sold

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 12:19:40 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Feel free to make an offer. I think this whole set would sell for about 
> $450 new. Just need to get it moved on to someone that can use it!
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I was holding on to this crankset but don't think I am going to need it. 
>> TA Carmina 165mm arms with a 110mm spider. Killer crankset that looks 
>> great, is pretty light but still string, and is super flexible. You can 
>> change the spider to make it work with different size rings as well as run 
>> it single, double, or triple. The spider that comes with it will work for 
>> 1x or 2x. No chainrings included. Its in excellent condition with only a 
>> small ding on the left side crank arm that is minor and hard to see without 
>> looking. $200 shipped
>>
>>  This requires an ISO BB. I happen to have a great condition very low 
>> mileage TA Axix bottom bracket that works perfect for this. Its 107mm wide 
>> so it will work on a 135 rear spaced Riv if you run it 1x (and probably 2x 
>> not sure but for sure not as a triple. For that you would want a wider BB. 
>> The 107 would work in any configuration for a 130mm rear spacing. $70 
>> shipped or $40 shipped if you are getting the crank/spider.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Gearing question -

[Patrick Moore]

Even quads! -- very briefly; Mountain Tamer Quad. Too finicky, IME.

On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 2:58 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... , but I've used singles, doubles, and triples on various 26" wheel
> bikes.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Gearing question -

[Patrick Moore]

If your current cogset is a freewheel it probably has no more than 7 cogs
which limits the number of different gears.

How many gears you need depends on your own preferences: how high a high --
you've said you want a higher one and yes, 70" is pretty low; how low a low
-- with the 24/34 I assume you want to keep a similar low gear of <20"; and
how close you want the gaps between gears.

The possibilities also depend on how often you shift between chainrings and
how much you like quick, smooth shifts.

The easiest option would be to swap the 38 for a 46 which would give a
still pretty low 85" gear, assuming a more or less 26" tall wheel. The gap
between this and the 24 is pretty big but it has been done, and it would be
more doable if you don't use the 24 very much.

The next option is a triple with 46/36/24 which is pretty typical 7 speed
triple chainring, tho' still on the low side with 26" wheels. Or -- my
preference were I to use a triple with 5, 6, or 7 sp fw -- would be
something like a 46/42/24 halfstep plus granny for closer ratios with
higher top and same low.

But my overall preference would be to go whole hog and swap the hub for a
modern cassette hub with 10 or 11 gears; yes, you'd probably have to spread
the rear but it's not hard to spread a 126 mm OL rear to 130; in fact, I've
often used 130 hubs in 126 steel frames, tho' it's a pain. With 3 or 4 more
cogs you can (1) mix and match much more easily, (2) get a much higher top
gear with the same 38 t ring, (3) get a similar or even lower low, and (4)
get closer intermediate gears, *and* (5) do this without adding another
chainring.

I personally like "1X + granny" using 10 sp cassettes (might one day try
11) with something like a (note: this is for 700C wheels with fat tires, so
about 29" tall, 3" taller than 559 wheels) 44/28 and a 14-28 10 sp (easy to
customize cogs with a freehub) giving a high of ~90" and a low about 29",
but with very close intermediate gears. Abandon 1-cog differences in the
cruising gears and you can get just about any reasonable high and
reasonable low with this sort of setup.

Patrick Moore, who has owned umpteen gadzillion 26" wheel road,
all-rounder, and mountain bikes each with customized gearing. (My 2 current
26-ers are road bikes -- 29" for off road -- one fixed or with 2-speed IGH
fixed hubs, 76" and either 68", 66", or 57" depending on hub) and the other
with 3 speed fixed: 72", 65", 54" or 3 speed fw: 75", 65", 56"; 24.5" 559
 X 28mm  and 25.6" 559 X 42 mm wheels respectively, but I've used singles,
doubles, and triples on various 26" wheel bikes.)

On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 9:20 AM Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> Another list member recently asked a question "Which Front Derailleur
> option is best for a 38/24 front, 11-36 rear". At the time, I commented
> that my AR has a 38/24 front, that I often spin out on level ground and can
> only coast down hills, and that I have been planning to remove the chain
> guard and swap in a 46T front ring, to turn my double into a triple. But
> then I got to wondering, would I actually be better off making a switch in
> the back...
>
> My 26" rear wheel is built around a Bullseye hub, with a 14-34 freewheel.
> The front wheel is brand new - a Rich-built dynamo with a Shimano hub.
>
> My questionwould I be better off making a change in the front, going
> with a triple and the current rear wheel? Or, should I upgrade to a new
> rear wheel, with a hub cassette at 11-36? Here is my stab at basic math,
> which may or may not provide useful information
> My current "big gear"  38÷14 = 2.71
> with the added triple,   46÷14 = 3.28
> with a new cassette and existing chainrings 38 ÷ 11= 3.45
>
> I understand, of course, a new rear wheel would be a more expensive
> solution. My existing FD is a Shimano 105. I think it could handle the
> triple, but I haven't yet put it to the test.   Are there other factors to
> consider?
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

Still available. 
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Bump. $275 +shipping
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good experiences 
>> with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working for me and 
>> the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few rides and took 
>> it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I waited for the cover 
>> before deciding to sell this. 
>> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 48 Sam Hillborne $2400 OBO plus shipping

[Jonathan D.]

Bump and dropped to $2400

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:14:52 AM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:

> BUMP with price reduction and a couple new photos. $2600 plus shipping. 
>
> Standover is 28.5 inches. This is as small as I think Riv's are made.
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I am selling for my ex-wife a 48 mm Sam Hillborne. I purchased the frame 
>> and built it up at a local shop. The bike has hardly been ridden since It 
>> was built up. I am happy to share details and take any additional photos. I 
>> plan to keep the rack and can include the basket if it fits in the box. 
>> Rich built wheels and dynamo hub but don't currently have a light on it. I 
>> can see if I have one to include. Bike is in PDX.
>>
>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0Z5aVbMKvfjLe
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[R Olson]

Hello,

FYI - just posted 3 bikes to CL.  Keep in mind this is CL pricing.  Open to 
offers from RBWer's.  Looking for local sale in Denver or nearby.  PM me if 
you want more info on any of these. 

61cm Roadini
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/aurora-rivendell-roadini-61cm/7748028609.html

61cm Roadeo
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/aurora-rivendell-roadeo/7748030957.html

XL Crust Nor'easter
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/aurora-xl-crust-noreaster/7748525199.html

Thanks,

Ryan in Denver, CO

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 2:33:25 PM UTC-6 Mike Packard wrote:

> Rambo in Round Rock 
> https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/round-rock-rivendell-rambouillet-58cm/7746450817.html
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 8:44:13 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> wowza, so cool.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 4:37:35 PM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> this may predate Grant, i'm not sure, but here ya go--
>>>
>>> <
>>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-vintage-1985-bridgestone-mb/7746151757.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> Vintage 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 - Substantial all terrain bike (made in 
>>> Japan).
>>> The bike is in excellent condition, fully tuned-up and ready to ride. 
>>> All the parts/components are stock except for the tires.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-05-12 at 7.35.45 PM.png]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gearing question -

[Garth]

A 24/36/46 triple will shift beautifully, and the 105 double, as long as 
it's not one of the oddball current types, should work just fine. I've used 
my 105 FD-5500 from 1999 on rings with 26/44/48 and 24/36/50. 

I'm not a fan of adding more cogs(and the hub required) in the rear if the 
desired gearing variety can be done with a double or triple. I think 5-7sp 
FW's and hubs are terrific and highly versatile,.  I've even purchased more 
NOS FW vintage hubs(Suntour XC Pro and Specialized)  as I have a number of 
NOS 13-32 FW's, plus 14-34's(14/16/18/21/24/28/34) and 13-28's are still 
available as they have been for years. Try to find a 7sp cassette with 
those cogs, you won't. Try to find one of those, plus a 12t cog for 8 
speeds, you won't. Sure you can go the Aliexpress route and make your own 
cassettes, which is fine if you already have the freehubs, but if don't 
already have the hubs , why bother ? Keep it simple. 

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 11:51:56 AM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

> If you change the rear to a cassette hub, you will likely need to re-space 
> the drop outs. I'm guessing your current freewheel hub is 126mm. 
> Spacing.out to 130mm would be okay.
>
> My opinion would be just to change the chainrings to give the higher gear. 
> The older 5 ans 6 speed wide range freewheels lend themselves well to 
> half-step gearing. If you have a triple crank maybe a 44/48 or 42/46 with a 
> granny gear of 28. 
>
> If you are just commuting and running around with bike (vs touring or 
> randomneuring), I would be inclined to just put on bigger chainrings. 
> Cheaper, easier, better!  My 26" wheel commuter had a 14-28 6 speed 
> freewheel and I paired it with a 53/42 double and it was great like that.  
> I do enjoy mashing up hills on my commuter though. I consider it anaerobic 
> training. Because the bike sees so much winter use, I decided to make it a 
> single speed and like it even better now, but the above gearing worked well 
> for me.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 8:20:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen Durfee wrote:
>
>> Another list member recently asked a question "Which Front Derailleur 
>> option is best for a 38/24 front, 11-36 rear". At the time, I commented 
>> that my AR has a 38/24 front, that I often spin out on level ground and can 
>> only coast down hills, and that I have been planning to remove the chain 
>> guard and swap in a 46T front ring, to turn my double into a triple. But 
>> then I got to wondering, would I actually be better off making a switch in 
>> the back...
>>
>> My 26" rear wheel is built around a Bullseye hub, with a 14-34 freewheel. 
>> The front wheel is brand new - a Rich-built dynamo with a Shimano hub. 
>>
>> My questionwould I be better off making a change in the front, going 
>> with a triple and the current rear wheel? Or, should I upgrade to a new 
>> rear wheel, with a hub cassette at 11-36? Here is my stab at basic math, 
>> which may or may not provide useful information
>> My current "big gear"  38÷14 = 2.71
>> with the added triple,   46÷14 = 3.28
>> with a new cassette and existing chainrings 38 ÷ 11= 3.45
>>
>> I understand, of course, a new rear wheel would be a more expensive 
>> solution. My existing FD is a Shimano 105. I think it could handle the 
>> triple, but I haven't yet put it to the test.   Are there other factors to 
>> consider? 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Nick Payne]

I have both Shimano and TRP RRL levers and prefer the TRP. For me the 
Shimano levers are a bit small, and I also frequently ride with the end of 
the hood in the middle of my palm, and prefer the more rounded shape of the 
TRP to the pointy Shimano hoods.

I take a 9½ or 10 in EU glove sizes, which is between L and XL US size.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: FS: TA Carmina Crankset & Spider - 110mm bcd/165mm/Black

[Johnny Alien]

Feel free to make an offer. I think this whole set would sell for about 
$450 new. Just need to get it moved on to someone that can use it!

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I was holding on to this crankset but don't think I am going to need it. 
> TA Carmina 165mm arms with a 110mm spider. Killer crankset that looks 
> great, is pretty light but still string, and is super flexible. You can 
> change the spider to make it work with different size rings as well as run 
> it single, double, or triple. The spider that comes with it will work for 
> 1x or 2x. No chainrings included. Its in excellent condition with only a 
> small ding on the left side crank arm that is minor and hard to see without 
> looking. $200 shipped
>
>  This requires an ISO BB. I happen to have a great condition very low 
> mileage TA Axix bottom bracket that works perfect for this. Its 107mm wide 
> so it will work on a 135 rear spaced Riv if you run it 1x (and probably 2x 
> not sure but for sure not as a triple. For that you would want a wider BB. 
> The 107 would work in any configuration for a 130mm rear spacing. $70 
> shipped or $40 shipped if you are getting the crank/spider.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[RichS]

Michael, that's a good looking Saluki. Sorry for the travails you had to 
work through to get it road ready but I bet most of us have been down that 
path with our bikes or other things (cars?). Since I'm not far from you in 
age I'm with you in spirit on minimizing acquisitions. I too look at items 
like my dress shoes and think probably the last ones I'll ever need. Have 
fun on the Saluki!

Jock: two thumbs up on your Saluki:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL



On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 4:25:30 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well Bill, you are probably right but  I turn 80 this year and find 
> that every day I have less and less urge to buy anything (excluding red 
> meat & red wine).  Most of my tool budget, such as it it, goes into wood 
> working tools.  This rebuild included only one new item - a brake cable.  I 
> did decide to buy a new front rack but haven't actually done it.  Every 
> time I buy something I ask myself three questions - Is this the last time 
> I'll make this purchase, e.g. shoes, car, cassette...; where am I going to 
> store this item when it's not in use but still findable if I want it;  how 
> am I going to get rid of it, when I have to?
>
> Alas, both of my children, despite being quite well off, are minamailist. 
>  Small houses, small cars... so not interested in my stuff.
>
> BTW,  About the same time I bought the Saluki frame, 20 years ago, from 
> someone on this list, I also bought a blue Specialized Sequoia frame, also 
> on this list, which my wife rode for many years until I bought her the last 
> Betty Foy, which she now rides.  The Sequoia hung in the basement for a few 
> years, then got converted to 650B and given to my son-in -law.  This year 
> he bought his "dream bike" and gave the Sequoia to our grandson.  That's a 
> pretty good run even for a steel frame.
>
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Michael
>>
>> I'm not picking on you, but I strongly believe that anybody with the 
>> mechanical confidence to build a bike from the frame up should own a proper 
>> small tap-handle ($10), plus an M5x0.8mm tap ($5), an M6x1.0mm tap ($6), 
>> and a M10x1.0mm tap ($8).  That tiny tool kit would have saved you two 
>> trips and would get re-used innumerable times.  My recommendation to 
>> anybody who puts wrenches on bicycles to go buy those items today.  There 
>> are exactly three good reasons not to do that...
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
>>> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
>>> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>>>
>>> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
>>> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
>>> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
>>> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
>>> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
>>> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
>>> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
>>> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
>>> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
>>> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
>>> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
>>> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>>>
>>> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
>>> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
>>> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
>>> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
>>> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
>>> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
>>> broke loose! 
>>>
>>> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
>>> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>>>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
>>> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
>>> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
>>> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>>>
>>> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my 
>>> effort to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout 
>>> and neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a 
>>> bike shop.
>>>
>>> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
>>> which is probably why it was in a box of 

[RBW] Re: Gearing question -

[Ian A]

If you change the rear to a cassette hub, you will likely need to re-space 
the drop outs. I'm guessing your current freewheel hub is 126mm. 
Spacing.out to 130mm would be okay.

My opinion would be just to change the chainrings to give the higher gear. 
The older 5 ans 6 speed wide range freewheels lend themselves well to 
half-step gearing. If you have a triple crank maybe a 44/48 or 42/46 with a 
granny gear of 28. 

If you are just commuting and running around with bike (vs touring or 
randomneuring), I would be inclined to just put on bigger chainrings. 
Cheaper, easier, better!  My 26" wheel commuter had a 14-28 6 speed 
freewheel and I paired it with a 53/42 double and it was great like that.  
I do enjoy mashing up hills on my commuter though. I consider it anaerobic 
training. Because the bike sees so much winter use, I decided to make it a 
single speed and like it even better now, but the above gearing worked well 
for me.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 8:20:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen Durfee wrote:

> Another list member recently asked a question "Which Front Derailleur 
> option is best for a 38/24 front, 11-36 rear". At the time, I commented 
> that my AR has a 38/24 front, that I often spin out on level ground and can 
> only coast down hills, and that I have been planning to remove the chain 
> guard and swap in a 46T front ring, to turn my double into a triple. But 
> then I got to wondering, would I actually be better off making a switch in 
> the back...
>
> My 26" rear wheel is built around a Bullseye hub, with a 14-34 freewheel. 
> The front wheel is brand new - a Rich-built dynamo with a Shimano hub. 
>
> My questionwould I be better off making a change in the front, going 
> with a triple and the current rear wheel? Or, should I upgrade to a new 
> rear wheel, with a hub cassette at 11-36? Here is my stab at basic math, 
> which may or may not provide useful information
> My current "big gear"  38÷14 = 2.71
> with the added triple,   46÷14 = 3.28
> with a new cassette and existing chainrings 38 ÷ 11= 3.45
>
> I understand, of course, a new rear wheel would be a more expensive 
> solution. My existing FD is a Shimano 105. I think it could handle the 
> triple, but I haven't yet put it to the test.   Are there other factors to 
> consider? 
>
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[RBW] Re: DC Riv Dealer Figures Visually in TV Piece

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ben Boerum is the owner.  Suburban is the mindset of the opponents and 
those who use CT Ave as a commuter route.  If I said it, it was ironic.

Steve Seelig

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 3:18:42 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is awesome, been meaning to get over to Happy Go. I'm all in on the 
> CT Ave bike lanes, obviously, but calling it "suburban" is a bit of a 
> misnomer, it's entirely within DC city limits!
> Patrick in Petworth
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 1:33:03 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> I was in DC the weekend after the Nat'l bike summit, which my wife 
>> attended, and we rode the Capital Crescent to Rock Creek with a dedicated 
>> stop at Happy Go. The owner (whose name I can't recall) was incredibly 
>> friendly and we chatted about infrastructure and how obnoxious it is that 
>> wealthy residents oppose traffic calming or more livable streets when it 
>> would interrupt their god-given right to park in front of Starbucks. Hoping 
>> the improvements move forward! Also what a great shop
>>
>> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 10:22:51 AM UTC-4 Steven Seelig wrote:
>>
>>> Here in suburban DC we have been battling to get a bike lane put in on 
>>> our main commuter route.  The Mayor was all in until about a month ago, so 
>>> now the City Council is standing up to her.  Basically, it would head from 
>>> the top of DC downtown as a protected lane and would be huge win.
>>>
>>> I do local advocacy and the TV reporter (yes, a cyclist) reached out to 
>>> me, I said meet me at our LBS Riv dealer, Happy Go.  I am off my bike for a 
>>> week or so, so my Platty did not make an appearance, but Happy Go did.  And 
>>> that is my head talking in favor.
>>>
>>> Link to story 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Steve Seelig
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[RichS]

John, nice photograph and good advice from the other John. You're living 
the dream.

Best,
Rich in (dirtless) ATL

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> 'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt." 
> -John Muir
> [image: IMG_3386.jpeg]
> Cheers, John
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 7:40:46 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 18, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> WLS — Connecticut has it goin' on! 
>>
>>
>> Yeah, between the Nutmeg rides and the Cub House rides, I’m a bit 
>> envious. I need to time my LA and New England visits a little better.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
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[RBW] Gearing question -

[Stephen Durfee]

Another list member recently asked a question "Which Front Derailleur 
option is best for a 38/24 front, 11-36 rear". At the time, I commented 
that my AR has a 38/24 front, that I often spin out on level ground and can 
only coast down hills, and that I have been planning to remove the chain 
guard and swap in a 46T front ring, to turn my double into a triple. But 
then I got to wondering, would I actually be better off making a switch in 
the back...

My 26" rear wheel is built around a Bullseye hub, with a 14-34 freewheel. 
The front wheel is brand new - a Rich-built dynamo with a Shimano hub. 

My questionwould I be better off making a change in the front, going 
with a triple and the current rear wheel? Or, should I upgrade to a new 
rear wheel, with a hub cassette at 11-36? Here is my stab at basic math, 
which may or may not provide useful information
My current "big gear"  38÷14 = 2.71
with the added triple,   46÷14 = 3.28
with a new cassette and existing chainrings 38 ÷ 11= 3.45

I understand, of course, a new rear wheel would be a more expensive 
solution. My existing FD is a Shimano 105. I think it could handle the 
triple, but I haven't yet put it to the test.   Are there other factors to 
consider? 

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[RBW] Re: DC Riv Dealer Figures Visually in TV Piece

[Pat Smith]

This is awesome, been meaning to get over to Happy Go. I'm all in on the CT 
Ave bike lanes, obviously, but calling it "suburban" is a bit of a 
misnomer, it's entirely within DC city limits!
Patrick in Petworth

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 1:33:03 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> I was in DC the weekend after the Nat'l bike summit, which my wife 
> attended, and we rode the Capital Crescent to Rock Creek with a dedicated 
> stop at Happy Go. The owner (whose name I can't recall) was incredibly 
> friendly and we chatted about infrastructure and how obnoxious it is that 
> wealthy residents oppose traffic calming or more livable streets when it 
> would interrupt their god-given right to park in front of Starbucks. Hoping 
> the improvements move forward! Also what a great shop
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 10:22:51 AM UTC-4 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> Here in suburban DC we have been battling to get a bike lane put in on 
>> our main commuter route.  The Mayor was all in until about a month ago, so 
>> now the City Council is standing up to her.  Basically, it would head from 
>> the top of DC downtown as a protected lane and would be huge win.
>>
>> I do local advocacy and the TV reporter (yes, a cyclist) reached out to 
>> me, I said meet me at our LBS Riv dealer, Happy Go.  I am off my bike for a 
>> week or so, so my Platty did not make an appearance, but Happy Go did.  And 
>> that is my head talking in favor.
>>
>> Link to story 
>> 
>>
>> Steve Seelig
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[deepak atreya]

Thanks Jeff and Lori  for detailed response and photos . Bike looks very
cool . I think trp goes very week with those ritchey bars  aesthetically .
If the noodles don’t work , I will give them a shot . Also , atleast on
swept back bar I do notice that I tend to move forward and backward often
on handle bars and don’t vary my grip width often unless it’s a bad
headwind .  So roomier reach on handle bars might work , atleast that’s my
theory . Let see . Thanks again !

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 09:05 Jeffrey Arita  wrote:

> @atreya: I rarely post to the RBW Owners Bunch since we no longer own any
> Rivs, but the topic of RRL vs Shimano caught my eye.
>
> I (Jeff) am only 5' 7" with small-medium hands.  My wife (Lori) is about
> the same - 5' 5" with small-ish hands (PBHs in the high 70's, low 80's).
> Back in the mid-2010's we rode standard road-racing type drop bars.  With
> small-ish hands, we gravitated toward the TRP RRLs since they were a bit
> more 'ergo' and made braking easier.  We rode these levers on singles as
> well as our tandem.  Everything pretty much okay.
>
> Flash-forward to 2020 or thereabouts and I bought a Black Mountain Cycles
> Monster Cross.  I decided to go with the latest-craze gravel-type drop bar
> handlebars, eventually landing on the Ritchey Beacons
> .  The
> Beacons definitely are funky looking and from an aesthetic view can be
> described as ugly.  They are simply drop bar handlebars where they've been
> flared out *dramatically *[36 degrees!].
>
> The Beacons (as well as other gravel bars on the market) have relatively
> short reach and shallow drop.  Upon placing any kind of road handlebar
> brake lever on them, it provides (in our humble opinion) much improved
> ergonomic use of the lever (any lever).  Again, note, both of us have
> small-ish hands and the combined cockpit allows comfortable spots on every
> part of the handlebar.  The short reach + shallow drop + ease of braking is
> there.  Strange, but one of the most comfortable spots is deep in the drops
> because it isn't too much of a reach - yet working the lever is easier (vs.
> the traditional road bars).
>
> In 2023 we decided to change out all of our road-type handlebars to the
> Beacons.  We used them on our bicycle tourers and for PBP.  Interesting,
> but simply modifying the *angle *where the brake lever sits, it
> definitely helps out.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YBMwTzR6hCK7NNcL9
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff & Lori
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:58:26 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>> Want to give drop bars one more time on my homer.
>>
>>  Long background and context , I had drop bars set up TRP RRL but never
>> got comfortable . But I think it had do more with the reach. I had around
>> set back and 7 cm stem . Also I have short torso and long legs. I am 5'8.5
>> but have pbh of 86.5 . Out of curosity I tried Knee over pedal spindle with
>> plumb bob. On my homer I had to set it up with zero set back and push
>> saddle forward. ( interestingly same thing on my Atlantis translates to
>> around 20 mm set back , didn't realize .5 degree change in seat tube could
>> make such difference ). More importantly with  this saddle position it
>> feels like my reach has significantly increased. I can comfortably reach 6
>> -7 cm beyond hooks of albatross set up on 100 mm Nitto faceplater. So I am
>> thinking of trying 52 cm noodles with 7cm stem.
>>
>> I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used
>> both? Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the
>> upgrade worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to
>> the reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking
>> performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price.
>>
>> I would really appreciate your experience and insights. Happy weekend !
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[deepak atreya]

Thanks Ted . That makes a lot of sense  . Since I had already tried the TRP
I am leaning towards giving Shimano a shot .  Though I said price was
priority 4 , it would be less expensive experiment .

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 07:51 Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 7:58:26 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Folks,
> I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used
> both? Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the
> upgrade worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to
> the reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking
> performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price.
>
>
> I've used both of them extensively on brevets up to 600km. I no longer
> have the TRPs, but I have the Shimanos on several bikes, so I guess I've
> made my choice! I'm 5'6", 81cm PBH, and have mediumish skinny hands. I
> found the TRPs to be a combination of too wide and too long, though only
> marginally so. One thing to keep in mind with respect to reach is that the
> handlebar reach makes a difference, too. The reach on Noodle Bars is on the
> long side, especially compared to almost all current drop bars on the
> market.  So, the combination of Noodle Bars and TRPs makes for an
> especially long reach to the brakes. To me that can be a feature, not a bug
> ... it allows me to have the bar tops comfortably near and high and still
> have a nice low, flat position in the drops.
>
> Aesthetically I very much prefer the Shimanos. I don't think I noticed any
> difference in brake feel, so I would guess the mechanical advantage is
> similar.
>
> Given that your first priority is comfort, you're probably going to have
> to try them both. Given that price is your last priority, you'll have no
> problem selling the ones you don't want on this list :-)
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Surly Rear Rack? Silver? Black?

[Michael Baquerizo]

I have been putting together a kid bike out of a Clem L and mistakenly 
purchased a rear rack that's not compatible with my bike seat. 

I have decided that this rack is the best option for my use case and am 
trying to get a deal. I'm based in NYC and understand that shipping a rack 
can be cost prohibitive/ make it just as expensive as buying new.

Not super concerned with condition, just nothing that's ever been repaired. 
While silver is preferred, i can settle for black.

Anyone?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Love to Ride: Commuter Challenge

[Leah Peterson]

Brian, I had to tell Paul about this thread. He emailed me back and asked me to pass this along:Thanks very much, Leah. :-)  A small world indeed.  If possible, please reply to Brian with the following: I love the t-shirt and wear it A LOT.  Pam and I were in Lexington last fall when our "kids" were climbing at "The Red."  We stopped at Sixth Street Brewing for lunch and beers, saw the t-shirt, and knew I needed one.  The Broke Spoke was closed, so we couldn't visit there, but we did take in a very informative distillery tour (right next door) at Bluegrass Distillers.  We have very fond memories of our Kentucky trip, and the t-shirt is a wonderful memory jog.  Thanks, BrianCheers - PaulPaul SotherlandOn May 17, 2024, at 8:12 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:Thanks for sharing this, Leah! I was delighted to see that the Rivendell owner in the photos is wearing a t-shirt that I designed for the local brewery I do all the graphic design for (West Sixth Brewing in Lexington KY). The shirt says “Ride bikes, drink beer”, and features a simple illustration of the brewery’s Cetma cargo bakfiets that was custom built into a mobile bike bar with a beer tap on it! Small world!BrianLexington KY On May 17, 2024, at 8:01 AM, Ryan  wrote:That's brilliant Leah! If anyone csn sell people on riding bikes for daily activities, it's you! Good on ya!On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:18:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:My love for my new home state is well-documented. After 18 years of desert living, we moved to Michigan, where none of us Petersons had set foot prior to the job interview. I have finally found a biking community, right here in a state that has winter. Anyway, I got asked to be on a committee that would help launch a new initiative to get more people on bikes. There is a lot of lovely new infrastructure in downtown, and we are hoping to get people to use it to get to work/events/dining/shopping. We are using the app Love to Ride, which will allow people in the city and surrounding areas to sign up, join the challenge and compete against other people for a 2 week challenge in May. The city is eager to have the data that the heat maps will generate, showing where people are riding and where they are not. Hopefully this influences further infrastructure in the near future.Today there was a local news article, and one of the men I’m serving with is pictured with his RIVENDELL. Paul’s brother John Sotherland built the Rivendell frames at Waterford back in…whatever day that was. I almost never saw other Rivs in the other places I’ve lived, but Michigan has plenty of them.Here’s the article: https://www.secondwavemedia.com/southwest-michigan/features/Kalamazoo-Commuter-Challenge-encourage-new-cyclists.051624.aspxLeah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendale Platypus Mermaid 55cm

[Valerie Yates]

Mary — Thanks! Good luck on your sale. Can’t imagine anyone looking and not 
buying your bike. It is immaculate and the price is quite a deal. I am 
ready to buy if he wants to haggle. 



On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:39:52 PM UTC-6 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have someone coming tomorrow for it, if he doesn't show I will contact 
> you.
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 6:43 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mary — I sent you a private message. I would love to buy this bike 
>> from you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-6 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> $ 1,500.  I am reducing the price of my Platypus to $1500 as I do not 
>>> have room for it anymore.  It is a great bike.
>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-4 Mary Franzek wrote:
>>>
 For sale:   

 RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
 I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
 things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
 Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
 The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is 
 included.
 Price: $2750

 Parts list includes:

 Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
 Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
 IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
 IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
 Grand Cru Brake Levers
 Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
 Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
 Velo Orange BB 118mm
 Albatross HB
 Graelking 700 x 38 pair
 Tubes
 MKS Lambda Pedals
 Microshift FD R9
 Microshift RD R10
 Brake hangers FR / RR
 Velo Orange Fenders
 Nitto Rear Rack
 Brooks Bar Tape
 VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
 RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
 Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
 Terry saddle
 Wald basket with basket net

 You can contact Mary at:
 mary.f...@gmail.com

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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Beautiful builds! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendale Platypus Mermaid 55cm

[Mary Franzek]

I have someone coming tomorrow for it, if he doesn't show I will contact
you.

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 6:43 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Hi Mary — I sent you a private message. I would love to buy this bike from
> you.
>
> Best,
> Val in Boulder CO
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-6 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> $ 1,500.  I am reducing the price of my Platypus to $1500 as I do not
>> have room for it anymore.  It is a great bike.
>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-4 Mary Franzek wrote:
>>
>>> For sale:
>>>
>>> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
>>> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately
>>> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
>>> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
>>> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is
>>> included.
>>> Price: $2750
>>>
>>> Parts list includes:
>>>
>>> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
>>> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
>>> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
>>> Grand Cru Brake Levers
>>> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
>>> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
>>> Velo Orange BB 118mm
>>> Albatross HB
>>> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
>>> Tubes
>>> MKS Lambda Pedals
>>> Microshift FD R9
>>> Microshift RD R10
>>> Brake hangers FR / RR
>>> Velo Orange Fenders
>>> Nitto Rear Rack
>>> Brooks Bar Tape
>>> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
>>> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror
>>> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
>>> Terry saddle
>>> Wald basket with basket net
>>>
>>> You can contact Mary at:
>>> mary.f...@gmail.com
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendale Platypus Mermaid 55cm

[Valerie Yates]

Hi Mary — I sent you a private message. I would love to buy this bike from 
you.

Best,
Val in Boulder CO

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-6 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> $ 1,500.  I am reducing the price of my Platypus to $1500 as I do not have 
> room for it anymore.  It is a great bike.
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-4 Mary Franzek wrote:
>
>> For sale:   
>>
>> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
>> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
>> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
>> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
>> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is included.
>> Price: $2750
>>
>> Parts list includes:
>>
>> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
>> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
>> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
>> Grand Cru Brake Levers
>> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
>> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
>> Velo Orange BB 118mm
>> Albatross HB
>> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
>> Tubes
>> MKS Lambda Pedals
>> Microshift FD R9
>> Microshift RD R10
>> Brake hangers FR / RR
>> Velo Orange Fenders
>> Nitto Rear Rack
>> Brooks Bar Tape
>> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
>> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
>> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
>> Terry saddle
>> Wald basket with basket net
>>
>> You can contact Mary at:
>> mary.f...@gmail.com
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendale Platypus Mermaid 55cm

[Doug H.]

Mary,
That is quite a deal for someone! Good luck with the sale. If I hadn't just 
bought a Roadini I would buy it.
Doug

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 5:04:03 PM UTC-4 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> $ 1,500.  I am reducing the price of my Platypus to $1500 as I do not have 
> room for it anymore.  It is a great bike.
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-4 Mary Franzek wrote:
>
>> For sale:   
>>
>> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
>> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
>> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
>> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
>> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is included.
>> Price: $2750
>>
>> Parts list includes:
>>
>> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
>> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
>> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
>> Grand Cru Brake Levers
>> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
>> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
>> Velo Orange BB 118mm
>> Albatross HB
>> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
>> Tubes
>> MKS Lambda Pedals
>> Microshift FD R9
>> Microshift RD R10
>> Brake hangers FR / RR
>> Velo Orange Fenders
>> Nitto Rear Rack
>> Brooks Bar Tape
>> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
>> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
>> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
>> Terry saddle
>> Wald basket with basket net
>>
>> You can contact Mary at:
>> mary.f...@gmail.com
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

@Neale & Armand:How did it go today? How are those legs feeling? Was 
hoping to be Riv's unofficial Paparazzi at rollout this morning, but ended 
up doing some beach camping instead. When I got back into town this 
afternoon, I drove by the Cub House and saw cyclists everywhere with 
Pizzanista boxes. Guessing you guys had a blast.

I'm gonna swing by tomorrow for the swap meet and car show. Hoping to score 
a derailer and a patina'd bell...maybe talk to someone who can give me tips 
on rack building and brazing. Will post up a few bike culture pics to 
encourage Ted to move to the west coast.  ;)


On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 8:17:53 PM UTC-7 tob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll be visiting from Seattle to attend the Sunday event, as well as pick 
> up my Atlantis that I bought from a fellow list member. And if there's 
> anyone on here who's driving from the OC area to Pasadena for Saturday's 
> ride, I'd love to tag along! I imagine it's a long shot, but I'd love to do 
> some riding while i'm there and the single scoop would be the perfect 
> excuse.
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Just realized it’s next weekend, but my reservation about its being too 
>> long a ride still stands
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:58:59 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> It’s too far for me, and I have early Mother’s day plans with my son and 
>>> his wife, but have fun
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:27:05 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Armand, you gotta do it on the platy! now that you've finished building 
 it up, what a perfect chance to get some paint chips from the triple scoop

 hope you can share some of the experience on here for us poor souls 
 unable to get out there for the weekend

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:50:10 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> @Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee 
> for some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:
>
> @Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
> Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
> this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
> basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
> /tony-crosses-fingers 
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:
>
>> I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see 
>> all of you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. 
>> Also 
>> there's a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, 
>> which 
>> should be a good time. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the 
>>> single scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation 
>>> gain 
>>> over 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to 
>>> try 
>>> the single scoop!
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant 
 shop in Pasadena, CA. 


 I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendale Platypus Mermaid 55cm

[Mary Franzek]

$ 1,500.  I am reducing the price of my Platypus to $1500 as I do not have 
room for it anymore.  It is a great bike.
On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-4 Mary Franzek wrote:

> For sale:   
>
> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is included.
> Price: $2750
>
> Parts list includes:
>
> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
> Grand Cru Brake Levers
> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
> Velo Orange BB 118mm
> Albatross HB
> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
> Tubes
> MKS Lambda Pedals
> Microshift FD R9
> Microshift RD R10
> Brake hangers FR / RR
> Velo Orange Fenders
> Nitto Rear Rack
> Brooks Bar Tape
> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
> Terry saddle
> Wald basket with basket net
>
> You can contact Mary at:
> mary.f...@gmail.com
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[Michael Hechmer]

Well Bill, you are probably right but  I turn 80 this year and find 
that every day I have less and less urge to buy anything (excluding red 
meat & red wine).  Most of my tool budget, such as it it, goes into wood 
working tools.  This rebuild included only one new item - a brake cable.  I 
did decide to buy a new front rack but haven't actually done it.  Every 
time I buy something I ask myself three questions - Is this the last time 
I'll make this purchase, e.g. shoes, car, cassette...; where am I going to 
store this item when it's not in use but still findable if I want it;  how 
am I going to get rid of it, when I have to?

Alas, both of my children, despite being quite well off, are minamailist. 
 Small houses, small cars... so not interested in my stuff.

BTW,  About the same time I bought the Saluki frame, 20 years ago, from 
someone on this list, I also bought a blue Specialized Sequoia frame, also 
on this list, which my wife rode for many years until I bought her the last 
Betty Foy, which she now rides.  The Sequoia hung in the basement for a few 
years, then got converted to 650B and given to my son-in -law.  This year 
he bought his "dream bike" and gave the Sequoia to our grandson.  That's a 
pretty good run even for a steel frame.

Michael

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Michael
>
> I'm not picking on you, but I strongly believe that anybody with the 
> mechanical confidence to build a bike from the frame up should own a proper 
> small tap-handle ($10), plus an M5x0.8mm tap ($5), an M6x1.0mm tap ($6), 
> and a M10x1.0mm tap ($8).  That tiny tool kit would have saved you two 
> trips and would get re-used innumerable times.  My recommendation to 
> anybody who puts wrenches on bicycles to go buy those items today.  There 
> are exactly three good reasons not to do that...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
>> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
>> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>>
>> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
>> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
>> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
>> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
>> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
>> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
>> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
>> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
>> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
>> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
>> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
>> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>>
>> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
>> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
>> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
>> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
>> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
>> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
>> broke loose! 
>>
>> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
>> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
>> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
>> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
>> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>>
>> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
>> to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
>> neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
>> shop.
>>
>> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
>> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
>> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
>> into one functioning part!
>>
>> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>>
>> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>>
>> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
>> Michael
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Nexave rapid rise, Nitto stems, Suntour Cyclone

[Eric Marth]

Further updates! 

Nexave: Sold
Faceplater: Sold
Technomic: Sold
Cyclone: Available 
Shifters: Sold
Clamps: Available 
On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 3:52:27 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> A few more things for sale: 
>
> [image: IMG_1602.JPG]
>
> *Shimano SL-BS50 shift levers — $50*
> A set of Shimano bar end shifters, model SL-BS50. They index with seven 
> clicks implying (do I have this right?) they have eight positions and will 
> index to eight speeds. They can also be used in friction mode, I'm unsure 
> how many speeds they will swing in friction. Standard Shimano mounting 
> pods. Could be used with your Silver or Simplex levers. 
>
> [image: 230530 Clamp 02 S.jpg]
>
> [image: 230530 Clamp 01 S.jpg]
>
> *British brass clamps — $15/set *
> These were originally manufactured for fuel lines on British race cars. 
> They also work as handsome clamps on non-aero cable housing. A have two 
> spare sets available. 
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 2:41:14 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Nexave: Sold
>> Faceplater: Pending
>> Technomic: Available
>> Cyclone: Available 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:24:42 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> *IMpoRTant dEtaiLS!! *
>>> Clamp diameter on the Face-plater is 25.4 
>>> Clamp diameter on the Technomic is 26.0 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 A few things for sale, please email me to purchase. Prices do not 
 include shipping. Thank you!

 [image: IMG_1592.JPG]
 [image: IMG_1593.JPG]

 *Nitto Face-Plater stem, 11cm — $85*
 Used for less than a year, made by Nitto in Japan. Purchased new from 
 Rivendell. With a 225mm quill. 

 [image: IMG_1596.JPG]
 [image: IMG_1597.JPG]
 [image: Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 12.12.33 PM.png]

 *Shimano T400 Nexave — $150 *
 Brand new, in the bag, never mounted. Rapid rise, long cage. Large 
 upper pulley. Sorry for the bad pictures, I don't want to take it out of 
 the factory-sealed bag! Reference picture above, same model installed on 
 my 
 Appaloosa. 


 [image: IMG_1595.JPG]

 *Nitto Technomic long quill, 8cm — $65*
 Brand new, never installed. 225mm quill, 8cm of reach.

 [image: IMG_1589.JPG]

 *Suntour Cyclone short cage rear mech — $25*
 In beautiful shape, nice and clean. Missing the hanger-mounting bolts 
 *and* the cable pinch bolts. 



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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[aeroperf]

Or get them all at once:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093SKS6XV/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2
Second bike tool I bought, after a good workstand.  They have saved me 
enormous amounts of frustration.

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Nexave rapid rise, Nitto stems, Suntour Cyclone

[Eric Marth]

Nexave: Sold
Faceplater: Pending
Technomic: Available
Cyclone: Available 

Thanks! 
On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:24:42 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> *IMpoRTant dEtaiLS!! *
> Clamp diameter on the Face-plater is 25.4 
> Clamp diameter on the Technomic is 26.0 
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> A few things for sale, please email me to purchase. Prices do not include 
>> shipping. Thank you!
>>
>> [image: IMG_1592.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_1593.JPG]
>>
>> *Nitto Face-Plater stem, 11cm — $85*
>> Used for less than a year, made by Nitto in Japan. Purchased new from 
>> Rivendell. With a 225mm quill. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1596.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_1597.JPG]
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 12.12.33 PM.png]
>>
>> *Shimano T400 Nexave — $150 *
>> Brand new, in the bag, never mounted. Rapid rise, long cage. Large upper 
>> pulley. Sorry for the bad pictures, I don't want to take it out of the 
>> factory-sealed bag! Reference picture above, same model installed on my 
>> Appaloosa. 
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1595.JPG]
>>
>> *Nitto Technomic long quill, 8cm — $65*
>> Brand new, never installed. 225mm quill, 8cm of reach.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1589.JPG]
>>
>> *Suntour Cyclone short cage rear mech — $25*
>> In beautiful shape, nice and clean. Missing the hanger-mounting bolts 
>> *and* the cable pinch bolts. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Nexave rapid rise, Nitto stems, Suntour Cyclone

[Eric Marth]

*IMpoRTant dEtaiLS!! *
Clamp diameter on the Face-plater is 25.4 
Clamp diameter on the Technomic is 26.0 

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> A few things for sale, please email me to purchase. Prices do not include 
> shipping. Thank you!
>
> [image: IMG_1592.JPG]
> [image: IMG_1593.JPG]
>
> *Nitto Face-Plater stem, 11cm — $85*
> Used for less than a year, made by Nitto in Japan. Purchased new from 
> Rivendell. With a 225mm quill. 
>
> [image: IMG_1596.JPG]
> [image: IMG_1597.JPG]
> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 12.12.33 PM.png]
>
> *Shimano T400 Nexave — $150 *
> Brand new, in the bag, never mounted. Rapid rise, long cage. Large upper 
> pulley. Sorry for the bad pictures, I don't want to take it out of the 
> factory-sealed bag! Reference picture above, same model installed on my 
> Appaloosa. 
>
>
> [image: IMG_1595.JPG]
>
> *Nitto Technomic long quill, 8cm — $65*
> Brand new, never installed. 225mm quill, 8cm of reach.
>
> [image: IMG_1589.JPG]
>
> *Suntour Cyclone short cage rear mech — $25*
> In beautiful shape, nice and clean. Missing the hanger-mounting bolts 
> *and* the cable pinch bolts. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[Bill Lindsay]

Michael

I'm not picking on you, but I strongly believe that anybody with the 
mechanical confidence to build a bike from the frame up should own a proper 
small tap-handle ($10), plus an M5x0.8mm tap ($5), an M6x1.0mm tap ($6), 
and a M10x1.0mm tap ($8).  That tiny tool kit would have saved you two 
trips and would get re-used innumerable times.  My recommendation to 
anybody who puts wrenches on bicycles to go buy those items today.  There 
are exactly three good reasons not to do that...

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>
> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>
> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
> broke loose! 
>
> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>
> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
> to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
> neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
> shop.
>
> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
> into one functioning part!
>
> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>
> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>
> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[Valerie Yates]

Jeff — Since the original requester has opted out, I’d love to buy it, if 
it is still available. Will send a pm. 

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 4:00:47 PM UTC-6 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Perfect shape, rode around the block and it's not a good match. Basically 
> new. How about $135?
>
> On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 16:13:53 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am going to hold off for a bit.  Thanks
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Condition and price? 
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
>>> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have one, PM sent

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> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
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[RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Jeffrey Arita]

@atreya: I rarely post to the RBW Owners Bunch since we no longer own any 
Rivs, but the topic of RRL vs Shimano caught my eye.

I (Jeff) am only 5' 7" with small-medium hands.  My wife (Lori) is about 
the same - 5' 5" with small-ish hands (PBHs in the high 70's, low 80's).  
Back in the mid-2010's we rode standard road-racing type drop bars.  With 
small-ish hands, we gravitated toward the TRP RRLs since they were a bit 
more 'ergo' and made braking easier.  We rode these levers on singles as 
well as our tandem.  Everything pretty much okay.

Flash-forward to 2020 or thereabouts and I bought a Black Mountain Cycles 
Monster Cross.  I decided to go with the latest-craze gravel-type drop bar 
handlebars, eventually landing on the Ritchey Beacons 
.  The 
Beacons definitely are funky looking and from an aesthetic view can be 
described as ugly.  They are simply drop bar handlebars where they've been 
flared out *dramatically *[36 degrees!].  

The Beacons (as well as other gravel bars on the market) have relatively 
short reach and shallow drop.  Upon placing any kind of road handlebar 
brake lever on them, it provides (in our humble opinion) much improved 
ergonomic use of the lever (any lever).  Again, note, both of us have 
small-ish hands and the combined cockpit allows comfortable spots on every 
part of the handlebar.  The short reach + shallow drop + ease of braking is 
there.  Strange, but one of the most comfortable spots is deep in the drops 
because it isn't too much of a reach - yet working the lever is easier (vs. 
the traditional road bars).

In 2023 we decided to change out all of our road-type handlebars to the 
Beacons.  We used them on our bicycle tourers and for PBP.  Interesting, 
but simply modifying the *angle *where the brake lever sits, it definitely 
helps out.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YBMwTzR6hCK7NNcL9

Best regards,

Jeff & Lori
Claremont, CA

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:58:26 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks, 
> Want to give drop bars one more time on my homer. 
>
>  Long background and context , I had drop bars set up TRP RRL but never 
> got comfortable . But I think it had do more with the reach. I had around 
> set back and 7 cm stem . Also I have short torso and long legs. I am 5'8.5 
> but have pbh of 86.5 . Out of curosity I tried Knee over pedal spindle with 
> plumb bob. On my homer I had to set it up with zero set back and push 
> saddle forward. ( interestingly same thing on my Atlantis translates to 
> around 20 mm set back , didn't realize .5 degree change in seat tube could 
> make such difference ). More importantly with  this saddle position it 
> feels like my reach has significantly increased. I can comfortably reach 6 
> -7 cm beyond hooks of albatross set up on 100 mm Nitto faceplater. So I am 
> thinking of trying 52 cm noodles with 7cm stem. 
>
> I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used 
> both? Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the 
> upgrade worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to 
> the reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking 
> performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price. 
>
> I would really appreciate your experience and insights. Happy weekend !
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[J S]

I’m holding off for now. Having some riding issues.

Thanks

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> Perfect shape, rode around the block and it's not a good match. Basically
> new. How about $135?
>
> On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 16:13:53 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am going to hold off for a bit.  Thanks
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Condition and price?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
>>> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have one, PM sent

 On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:38:10 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
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[RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Ted Durant]

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 7:58:26 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

Folks, 
I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used both? 
Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the upgrade 
worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to the 
reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking 
performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price. 


I've used both of them extensively on brevets up to 600km. I no longer have 
the TRPs, but I have the Shimanos on several bikes, so I guess I've made my 
choice! I'm 5'6", 81cm PBH, and have mediumish skinny hands. I found the 
TRPs to be a combination of too wide and too long, though only marginally 
so. One thing to keep in mind with respect to reach is that the handlebar 
reach makes a difference, too. The reach on Noodle Bars is on the long 
side, especially compared to almost all current drop bars on the market. 
 So, the combination of Noodle Bars and TRPs makes for an especially long 
reach to the brakes. To me that can be a feature, not a bug ... it allows 
me to have the bar tops comfortably near and high and still have a nice 
low, flat position in the drops.

Aesthetically I very much prefer the Shimanos. I don't think I noticed any 
difference in brake feel, so I would guess the mechanical advantage is 
similar.

Given that your first priority is comfort, you're probably going to have to 
try them both. Given that price is your last priority, you'll have no 
problem selling the ones you don't want on this list :-)

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 57 Orange Roadini frameset

[exliontamer]

PM sent

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-5 gson...@gmail.com wrote:

> From the last run they did orange, early 23. Frame in near mint condition. 
> It’s still built up right now. $950. In LA. It can ship.
>
>
> GMS
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Ted Durant]

> On May 18, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> WLS — Connecticut has it goin' on! 

Yeah, between the Nutmeg rides and the Cub House rides, I’m a bit envious. I 
need to time my LA and New England visits a little better.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[John Dewey]

Thanks, Eric.

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 7:32 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> That's a great looking build, Michael! Sorry about all the compounded
> mechanicals. Mama said there'd be days!
>
> Jock, always nice to see one of your elegant builds.
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 10:23:09 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lovely setup.
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 8:07 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, MH. What an adventure. Plenty of fortitude and patience required.
>>> I rebuilt this one but not quite so exciting thankfully. Actually the
>>> trials and tribulations only make the bonds stronger, right? You now know
>>> the bike really well,,,inside and out.
>>>
>>> Good on ya for sticking with it.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 5:50 PM Michael Hechmer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial
 #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the
 rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!

 First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be
 re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle
 Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to.
 remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to
 be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a
 family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next
 day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I
 figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem
 bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB,
 brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the
 head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything
 (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride.

 What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still
 leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really
 appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth
 shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the
 Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break
 squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell
 broke loose!

 Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage
 together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer.
 Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, where
 I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was wedged
  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy Centaur
 deraileur to use. Yea.

 To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my
 effort to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout
 and neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a
 bike shop.

 It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part,
 which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some
 despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs
 into one functioning part!

 Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.

 Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt

 I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
 Michael

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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[iamkeith]

Glad the bike is back working for you, Michael
  You and your stories are one of the main reasons I sought out a Saluki.  
Glad you're being patient and taking the time to do it right, too.  I've 
gotten impatient and forced things, only to regret it later.  There was 
nothing particularly odd or difficult about a Saluki, but it took me 
forever to build too.  Mostly because it's a bike that deserves to as 
perfect as possible, so every part reqired lots of consideration or 
searching.  Hope you enjoy many more miles together.
On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 6:50:41 PM UTC-6 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>
> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>
> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
> broke loose! 
>
> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>
> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
> to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
> neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
> shop.
>
> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
> into one functioning part!
>
> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>
> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>
> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[Eric Marth]

That's a great looking build, Michael! Sorry about all the compounded 
mechanicals. Mama said there'd be days! 

Jock, always nice to see one of your elegant builds.

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 10:23:09 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely setup.
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 8:07 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>>
>> Yikes, MH. What an adventure. Plenty of fortitude and patience required. 
>> I rebuilt this one but not quite so exciting thankfully. Actually the 
>> trials and tribulations only make the bonds stronger, right? You now know 
>> the bike really well,,,inside and out. 
>>
>> Good on ya for sticking with it. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 5:50 PM Michael Hechmer  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
>>> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
>>> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>>>
>>> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
>>> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
>>> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
>>> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
>>> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
>>> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
>>> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
>>> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
>>> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
>>> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
>>> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
>>> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>>>
>>> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
>>> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
>>> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
>>> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
>>> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
>>> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
>>> broke loose! 
>>>
>>> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
>>> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer.  
>>> Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, where 
>>> I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was wedged 
>>>  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy Centaur 
>>> deraileur to use. Yea.
>>>
>>> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my 
>>> effort to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout 
>>> and neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a 
>>> bike shop.
>>>
>>> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
>>> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
>>> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
>>> into one functioning part!
>>>
>>> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>>>
>>> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>>>
>>> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
>>> Michael
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Eric Marth]

Congrats to everyone on snagging a Sam, very capable and fun bikes!

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:41:03 PM UTC-4 watta...@gmail.com wrote:

>  Happily secured a 54 Peri-Sam at 12:01 yesterday. I’m thinking Quill 
> rims to have tubeless as an option. Recs on dynamo hubs? I’ve had a Son hub 
> w edelux light but would entertain a cheaper hub option but will stick w 
> Edelux lights…it’s so good. 
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:52:32 AM UTC-7 Donzaemon wrote:
>
>> Love that color! It’s in my size too!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:42:19 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On May 15, 2024, at 3:15 PM, reeb  wrote:
>>>
>>> almost pulled the trigger but hesitant about sizing! at 80 PBH, should i 
>>> be going for the 48 or 51 for casual city rides with maybe once a month 
>>> camping treks (most likely upright bars)? 
>>>
>>>
>>> My saddle height is 70cm (PBH 81ish). Here’s what it looks like on a 51:
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell - Bike Owners-4.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Eric Marth]

Great views, Chester!

WLS — Connecticut has it goin' on! 

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 5:03:50 PM UTC-4 wls...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Looks like the spring fling was a blast. I was also in CT last weekend 
> visiting friends in New Haven, but we opted for our own ride which left 
> from their house. No shortage of great trails up there it seems.
>
> [image: IMG_5053.PNG]
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:21:22 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I went up to Connecticut for the Nutmeg Spring Fling 
>>
>> [image: 240512 Nutmeg 04.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 240512 Nutmeg 06.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 240512 Nutmeg 08.jpg]
>> Ballz riding their all-blue Belriot! Such a sweet bike though cloudy and 
>> backlit here.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Toyo Atlantis frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

I have tried uploading pictures numerous times it doesn’t work for some 
reason. Bike is in LA and I received in trade last year from a group 
member. I can try separately emailing pics to whoever is interested. Thanks.

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 7:35:42 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> With everyone on high alert with fraudulent ads lately, I’d highly suggest 
> posting details, location, and pictures. 
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-6 gson...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Please email me for details
>> If interested. Asking $1800.
>>
>> GMS
>>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Harry Travis]

Patrick, I don't expect to see tomato skins advertised as a cut-resistant layer and shield in bike tires because we know that short of getting out the serrated knife, the way to get into a tomato with a not-sharp edge is to puncture it easily with the knife tip ...or a goat head.Anyway, it is entirely possible that TPU of sufficient thickness is more thorn resistant than butyl rubber or latex. Just as we would expect of woven metal fabric. This is materials science stuff.--Harry P Travis17.4.1On May 17, 2024, at 2:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Good to have an opinion of Schwalbe 14A butyls versus at least 1 brand of TPU tubes; perhaps I'm well enough off with the Schwalbe butyl extralights which, besides, do very well amongst goatheads with OS regular forumla.On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 9:38 AM Ted Durant  wrote:On May 16, 2024, at 11:52 PM, Harry Travis  wrote:"I was much less impressed by the ride quality of the thicker TPU tubes. Though they still weigh less than butyl tubes, they don’t have the same buoyant feeling of the lighter weight models. They changed the feel of the bike completely; it felt like I was riding on cheap tires—or garden hoses—instead of the high end tires I was testing. "Note that the heaviest tube he rode on weighed 110g and is for a 35-40mm tire. But then he discerned inferior ride quality, too, from a 65g tube compared to a 30zI also have some Foss tubes that I have used in 584-42 and 584-48 Rene Herse ultralight tires, and I have used Scwhalbe #13 (standard) and #14A (extra light) tubes in those same tires. None of them make the tires feel like garden hoses, IMO. I never had to patch a Foss tube, but I haven’t put huge miles on them. I had what I think is more than a normal amount flats with the extra light butyl tubes, but I wouldn’t say that’s a certainty because wet roads and old tires are the primary risk factors and I can’t say I’ve controlled for that.I would rank order the tubes as you’d expect for “ride feel” -RH TPUSchwalbe extra lightFossSchwalbe standardI don’t think there’s much difference in feel between Foss and Schwalbe standard tubes, and the difference between RH TPU and Schwalbe extra light is pretty small.All just one man’s opinion.Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA



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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[deepak atreya]

Thanks ! I also have same size hand as my wife who is 5’9 . In men’s glove
size I am borderline small and roomy medium . I guess I can always head to
riv HQ and try couple of bikes set up with Shimano and TRP.


On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 21:26 John Bokman  wrote:

> I have both levers on different bikes. I guess I have smaller hands
> (though I wear a medium or large sized glove). At any rate, I prefer the
> simple Shimano. The TRP RRL are too wide for my mitts. Sure enough, I can
> use them (and have been, for 9 or 10 years now), but I find them wider and
> bulkier than I prefer. Also, the button that releases cable tension has
> jammed and no amount of fidgeting has released them. Doesn't affect the
> braking, only the ability to use one neat feature of the brake levers. As
> Steve mentions, one advantage of the RRL is that the breaking power from
> the hoods is quite good.  In sum: both are fine. I think the Shimano are
> better than fine in my hands, and less expensive to boot.
>
> John
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 7:16:45 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:
>
>> I've always found the Shimano levers to be just fine, but for my hands
>> (glove size lg to xl) the TRPs with their wider hoods are so much better. I
>> also find the curved levers provide more effective braking from the hoods.
>> My $0.02
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>>
>> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:39:28 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have the same size hands as my 5'2 wife.. so your mileage may vary.
>>> The Shimano aero levers have been called other names over the last
>>> couple decades, but there seems to be one mold. So Tiagra will serve as a
>>> name. I find them supremely comfortable, becuase they fit my hands.
>>> My other favorite -- not quite as good, but non-aero and fits a Mirrycle
>>> bar -- is 1980s Campy, e.g. Triomphe. Much smaller than modern brifters, or
>>> the aero Tektro levers.
>>>
>>> It's going to come down to what works for you.
>>>
>>> The reach issue is simply a function of size; if you're close to the
>>> limit, an extra inch of reach due to oversize drop bar levers is not going
>>> to seem like a good idea. But the cause is not the brifters, it's a
>>> too-large frame and/or stem.
>>>
>>> cheers -m
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:30:02 PM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Mike . Good point . Though I have smallish hands for my height (
 wrist size 6.25 inches). But I do see your point . Appreciate your insight.

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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[John Bokman]

I have both levers on different bikes. I guess I have smaller hands (though 
I wear a medium or large sized glove). At any rate, I prefer the simple 
Shimano. The TRP RRL are too wide for my mitts. Sure enough, I can use them 
(and have been, for 9 or 10 years now), but I find them wider and bulkier 
than I prefer. Also, the button that releases cable tension has jammed and 
no amount of fidgeting has released them. Doesn't affect the braking, only 
the ability to use one neat feature of the brake levers. As Steve mentions, 
one advantage of the RRL is that the breaking power from the hoods is quite 
good.  In sum: both are fine. I think the Shimano are better than fine in 
my hands, and less expensive to boot. 

John

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 7:16:45 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:

> I've always found the Shimano levers to be just fine, but for my hands 
> (glove size lg to xl) the TRPs with their wider hoods are so much better. I 
> also find the curved levers provide more effective braking from the hoods. 
> My $0.02
>
> Steve in AVL
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:39:28 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> I have the same size hands as my 5'2 wife.. so your mileage may vary.
>> The Shimano aero levers have been called other names over the last couple 
>> decades, but there seems to be one mold. So Tiagra will serve as a name. I 
>> find them supremely comfortable, becuase they fit my hands. 
>> My other favorite -- not quite as good, but non-aero and fits a Mirrycle 
>> bar -- is 1980s Campy, e.g. Triomphe. Much smaller than modern brifters, or 
>> the aero Tektro levers. 
>>
>> It's going to come down to what works for you.
>>
>> The reach issue is simply a function of size; if you're close to the 
>> limit, an extra inch of reach due to oversize drop bar levers is not going 
>> to seem like a good idea. But the cause is not the brifters, it's a 
>> too-large frame and/or stem.
>>
>> cheers -m
>>
>> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:30:02 PM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mike . Good point . Though I have smallish hands for my height ( 
>>> wrist size 6.25 inches). But I do see your point . Appreciate your insight.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 18:19 mikel...@juno.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 i find the Tiagras too narrow.

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Re: ThRe: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26"

['bikesrfun' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Saw this, no relation to the seller:

https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/198538



On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 12:01:25 PM UTC-7 Jerry Lynn wrote:

> Hi Brian---
>
> Yes - you get it - you get 26" wheels. I've been racing since I was 12 
> years of age and when I moved up to 700C a bit of the magic, the fun was 
> gone. When the XO-1 was released I jumped on it. Nimble, quick 
> acceleration, and to you point "bombproof"
> Congrats on having secured a Toyo Atlantis 26" - wishing you many fun and 
> bombproof miles!
>
> ---Jerry
>
> On Fri, 17 May 2024 at 07:42, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Best of luck! I feel very fortunate to have found my 54.5cm, 26” Toyo 
>> last year and it has been a real joy to ride. Being on the shorter side 
>> (5’8”, 83 PBH), I’ve always appreciated the frames designed around a 
>> smaller wheelset, and you can’t beat 26” for that lively handling and 
>> bombproof wheel strength. I could easily ride a 56cm, and wouldn’t hesitate 
>> to pick up another if I were to ever find a good opportunity in that size 
>> as well.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY 
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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[Steve]

You resuscitated it!!! Judging from the pics the Saluki was worth the 
effort. The polished fenders really complement the gray color way  - 
sharp!!!

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 8:50:41 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>
> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>
> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
> broke loose! 
>
> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>
> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
> to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
> neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
> shop.
>
> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
> into one functioning part!
>
> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>
> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>
> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Steve]

I've always found the Shimano levers to be just fine, but for my hands 
(glove size lg to xl) the TRPs with their wider hoods are so much better. I 
also find the curved levers provide more effective braking from the hoods. 
My $0.02

Steve in AVL

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:39:28 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:

>
> I have the same size hands as my 5'2 wife.. so your mileage may vary.
> The Shimano aero levers have been called other names over the last couple 
> decades, but there seems to be one mold. So Tiagra will serve as a name. I 
> find them supremely comfortable, becuase they fit my hands. 
> My other favorite -- not quite as good, but non-aero and fits a Mirrycle 
> bar -- is 1980s Campy, e.g. Triomphe. Much smaller than modern brifters, or 
> the aero Tektro levers. 
>
> It's going to come down to what works for you.
>
> The reach issue is simply a function of size; if you're close to the 
> limit, an extra inch of reach due to oversize drop bar levers is not going 
> to seem like a good idea. But the cause is not the brifters, it's a 
> too-large frame and/or stem.
>
> cheers -m
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:30:02 PM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mike . Good point . Though I have smallish hands for my height ( 
>> wrist size 6.25 inches). But I do see your point . Appreciate your insight.
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 18:19 mikel...@juno.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i find the Tiagras too narrow.
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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Mathias Steiner]

I have the same size hands as my 5'2 wife.. so your mileage may vary.
The Shimano aero levers have been called other names over the last couple 
decades, but there seems to be one mold. So Tiagra will serve as a name. I 
find them supremely comfortable, becuase they fit my hands. 
My other favorite -- not quite as good, but non-aero and fits a Mirrycle 
bar -- is 1980s Campy, e.g. Triomphe. Much smaller than modern brifters, or 
the aero Tektro levers. 

It's going to come down to what works for you.

The reach issue is simply a function of size; if you're close to the limit, 
an extra inch of reach due to oversize drop bar levers is not going to seem 
like a good idea. But the cause is not the brifters, it's a too-large frame 
and/or stem.

cheers -m

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> Thanks Mike . Good point . Though I have smallish hands for my height ( 
> wrist size 6.25 inches). But I do see your point . Appreciate your insight.
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 18:19 mikel...@juno.com  wrote:
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>> i find the Tiagras too narrow.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Love to Ride: Commuter Challenge

[Leah Peterson]

Ryan, oh thank you ☺️Brian, NO WAY. I’m going to tell him.Doug, it’s like social media for bikes. I haven’t gotten the hang of it yet, but I hope you love it.LOn May 17, 2024, at 8:12 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:Thanks for sharing this, Leah! I was delighted to see that the Rivendell owner in the photos is wearing a t-shirt that I designed for the local brewery I do all the graphic design for (West Sixth Brewing in Lexington KY). The shirt says “Ride bikes, drink beer”, and features a simple illustration of the brewery’s Cetma cargo bakfiets that was custom built into a mobile bike bar with a beer tap on it! Small world!BrianLexington KY On May 17, 2024, at 8:01 AM, Ryan  wrote:That's brilliant Leah! If anyone csn sell people on riding bikes for daily activities, it's you! Good on ya!On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:18:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:My love for my new home state is well-documented. After 18 years of desert living, we moved to Michigan, where none of us Petersons had set foot prior to the job interview. I have finally found a biking community, right here in a state that has winter. Anyway, I got asked to be on a committee that would help launch a new initiative to get more people on bikes. There is a lot of lovely new infrastructure in downtown, and we are hoping to get people to use it to get to work/events/dining/shopping. We are using the app Love to Ride, which will allow people in the city and surrounding areas to sign up, join the challenge and compete against other people for a 2 week challenge in May. The city is eager to have the data that the heat maps will generate, showing where people are riding and where they are not. Hopefully this influences further infrastructure in the near future.Today there was a local news article, and one of the men I’m serving with is pictured with his RIVENDELL. Paul’s brother John Sotherland built the Rivendell frames at Waterford back in…whatever day that was. I almost never saw other Rivs in the other places I’ve lived, but Michigan has plenty of them.Here’s the article: https://www.secondwavemedia.com/southwest-michigan/features/Kalamazoo-Commuter-Challenge-encourage-new-cyclists.051624.aspxLeah



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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[deepak atreya]

Thanks Mike . Good point . Though I have smallish hands for my height (
wrist size 6.25 inches). But I do see your point . Appreciate your insight.

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> i find the Tiagras too narrow.
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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

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i find the Tiagras too narrow.

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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Phew! Bike looks so good. Good luck on our ride tomorrow. Keep us posted.

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>
> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>
> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
> broke loose! 
>
> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>
> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
> to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
> neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
> shop.
>
> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
> into one functioning part!
>
> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>
> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>
> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
> Michael
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[RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Folks, 
Want to give drop bars one more time on my homer. 

 Long background and context , I had drop bars set up TRP RRL but never got 
comfortable . But I think it had do more with the reach. I had around set 
back and 7 cm stem . Also I have short torso and long legs. I am 5'8.5 but 
have pbh of 86.5 . Out of curosity I tried Knee over pedal spindle with 
plumb bob. On my homer I had to set it up with zero set back and push 
saddle forward. ( interestingly same thing on my Atlantis translates to 
around 20 mm set back , didn't realize .5 degree change in seat tube could 
make such difference ). More importantly with  this saddle position it 
feels like my reach has significantly increased. I can comfortably reach 6 
-7 cm beyond hooks of albatross set up on 100 mm Nitto faceplater. So I am 
thinking of trying 52 cm noodles with 7cm stem. 

I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used both? 
Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the upgrade 
worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to the 
reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking 
performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price. 

I would really appreciate your experience and insights. Happy weekend !

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[RBW] Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[Michael Hechmer]

You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial #007) 
from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the rebuild 
would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!

First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
(almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 

What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
broke loose! 

Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
 Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.

To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
shop.

It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, which 
is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some despair, 
(and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs into one 
functioning part!

Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.

Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt

I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
Michael

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Harry Travis]

On hyperbole of tires "transformed to garden hoses" - for ride quality - by using thicker TPU tubes: Worse than that, bullshit / BS, with the writer indifferent to the truth value.Or a parody of the kind that Bike Snob New York fed on..Too bad that it undercuts the serious value of that review: his own numerous reports of plastic valve failures. Not to mention punctures (which may have been a coincidence)Here are weights of lighter/road versions of tubes, followed by evaluation of ride quality. 46gRide quality not as good as lightest tubes36gRide quality not on par with thinnest designs26gRide quality is very good44gA little bit heavier tube meant ride quality was not as good as thinner competitors25gRide quality of road tube is very good30gRide quality is excellentSo, this evaluator had such exquisite sensitivity that 6-16g grams per tire was discernible. --Harry P TravisPortland Oregon USA 17.4.1On May 17, 2024, at 5:42 AM, Steve  wrote:Regarding the ability of "thicker TPU tubes" to transform a "high end tire" into "garden hoses"  -- do I detect a note of hyperbole? On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 12:53:14 AM UTC-4 travis...@gmail.com wrote:Then there is this froth from the sometime racer who tried several TPU tubes for Cuvling Weekly "I was much less impressed by the ride quality of the thicker TPU tubes. Though they still weigh less than butyl tubes, they don’t have the same buoyant feeling of the lighter weight models. They changed the feel of the bike completely; it felt like I was riding on cheap tires—or garden hoses—instead of the high end tires I was testing. "Note that the heaviest tube he rode on weighed 110g and is for a 35-40mm tire. But then he discerned inferior ride quality, too, from a 65g tube compared to a 30zCan you trust TPU tubes in a pinch? Best TPU tubes ridden and reviewed 2024cyclingweekly.com--Harry P TravisPortland Oregon USA 17.4.1On May 16, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:Final update from me. Rene Herse has been very good about it and is refunding me for the tubes that had the valve stem attachments fail.Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA



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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Patrick Moore]

Good to have an opinion of Schwalbe 14A butyls versus at least 1 brand of
TPU tubes; perhaps I'm well enough off with the Schwalbe butyl extralights
which, besides, do very well amongst goatheads with OS regular forumla.

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 9:38 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On May 16, 2024, at 11:52 PM, Harry Travis  wrote:
>
> "I was much less impressed by the ride quality of the thicker TPU tubes.
> Though they still weigh less than butyl tubes, they don’t have the same
> buoyant feeling of the lighter weight models. They changed the feel of the
> bike completely; it felt like I was riding on cheap tires—or garden
> hoses—instead of the high end tires I was testing. "
>
> Note that the heaviest tube he rode on weighed 110g and is for a 35-40mm
> tire. But then he discerned inferior ride quality, too, from a 65g tube
> compared to a 30z
>
>
> I also have some Foss tubes that I have used in 584-42 and 584-48 Rene
> Herse ultralight tires, and I have used Scwhalbe #13 (standard) and #14A
> (extra light) tubes in those same tires. None of them make the tires feel
> like garden hoses, IMO. I never had to patch a Foss tube, but I haven’t put
> huge miles on them. I had what I think is more than a normal amount flats
> with the extra light butyl tubes, but I wouldn’t say that’s a certainty
> because wet roads and old tires are the primary risk factors and I can’t
> say I’ve controlled for that.
>
> I would rank order the tubes as you’d expect for “ride feel” -
> RH TPU
> Schwalbe extra light
> Foss
> Schwalbe standard
>
> I don’t think there’s much difference in feel between Foss and Schwalbe
> standard tubes, and the difference between RH TPU and Schwalbe extra light
> is pretty small.
>
> All just one man’s opinion.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: ThRe: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26"

[Jerry Lynn]

Hi Brian---

Yes - you get it - you get 26" wheels. I've been racing since I was 12
years of age and when I moved up to 700C a bit of the magic, the fun was
gone. When the XO-1 was released I jumped on it. Nimble, quick
acceleration, and to you point "bombproof"
Congrats on having secured a Toyo Atlantis 26" - wishing you many fun and
bombproof miles!

---Jerry

On Fri, 17 May 2024 at 07:42, Brian Turner  wrote:

> Best of luck! I feel very fortunate to have found my 54.5cm, 26” Toyo last
> year and it has been a real joy to ride. Being on the shorter side (5’8”,
> 83 PBH), I’ve always appreciated the frames designed around a smaller
> wheelset, and you can’t beat 26” for that lively handling and bombproof
> wheel strength. I could easily ride a 56cm, and wouldn’t hesitate to pick
> up another if I were to ever find a good opportunity in that size as well.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Jonas]

The design decision for the straight top tube unfortunately killed my 
interest in the frame. What a pity (for me)…

On Saturday 9 September 2023 at 20:37:51 UTC+2 iamkeith wrote:

> Veering ever-so-slightly off topic, and apologies to those who don't have 
> facebook, but check out the bike in this video:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1148753762570679?mibextid=9drbnH
>
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[RBW] Re: DC Riv Dealer Figures Visually in TV Piece

[ian m]

I was in DC the weekend after the Nat'l bike summit, which my wife 
attended, and we rode the Capital Crescent to Rock Creek with a dedicated 
stop at Happy Go. The owner (whose name I can't recall) was incredibly 
friendly and we chatted about infrastructure and how obnoxious it is that 
wealthy residents oppose traffic calming or more livable streets when it 
would interrupt their god-given right to park in front of Starbucks. Hoping 
the improvements move forward! Also what a great shop

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 10:22:51 AM UTC-4 Steven Seelig wrote:

> Here in suburban DC we have been battling to get a bike lane put in on our 
> main commuter route.  The Mayor was all in until about a month ago, so now 
> the City Council is standing up to her.  Basically, it would head from the 
> top of DC downtown as a protected lane and would be huge win.
>
> I do local advocacy and the TV reporter (yes, a cyclist) reached out to 
> me, I said meet me at our LBS Riv dealer, Happy Go.  I am off my bike for a 
> week or so, so my Platty did not make an appearance, but Happy Go did.  And 
> that is my head talking in favor.
>
> Link to story 
> 
>
> Steve Seelig
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Re: [RBW] Re: Love to Ride: Commuter Challenge

[Doug H.]

I just downloaded the Love To Bike app. I like the idea of tracking my 
cycling without having to start and stop the app like Strava. Thanks for 
sharing this Leah.
Doug

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 8:12:36 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this, Leah! I was delighted to see that the Rivendell 
> owner in the photos is wearing a t-shirt that I designed for the local 
> brewery I do all the graphic design for (West Sixth Brewing in Lexington 
> KY). The shirt says “Ride bikes, drink beer”, and features a simple 
> illustration of the brewery’s Cetma cargo bakfiets that was custom built 
> into a mobile bike bar with a beer tap on it! Small world!
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY 
>
> On May 17, 2024, at 8:01 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> That's brilliant Leah! If anyone csn sell people on riding bikes for 
> daily activities, it's you! Good on ya!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:18:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> My love for my new home state is well-documented. After 18 years of 
>> desert living, we moved to Michigan, where none of us Petersons had set 
>> foot prior to the job interview. 
>>
>> I have finally found a biking community, right here in a state that has 
>> winter. 
>>
>> Anyway, I got asked to be on a committee that would help launch a new 
>> initiative to get more people on bikes. There is a lot of lovely new 
>> infrastructure in downtown, and we are hoping to get people to use it to 
>> get to work/events/dining/shopping. We are using the app Love to Ride, 
>> which will allow people in the city and surrounding areas to sign up, join 
>> the challenge and compete against other people for a 2 week challenge in 
>> May. The city is eager to have the data that the heat maps will generate, 
>> showing where people are riding and where they are not. Hopefully this 
>> influences further infrastructure in the near future.
>>
>> Today there was a local news article, and one of the men I’m serving with 
>> is pictured with his RIVENDELL. Paul’s brother John Sotherland built the 
>> Rivendell frames at Waterford back in…whatever day that was. I almost never 
>> saw other Rivs in the other places I’ve lived, but Michigan has plenty of 
>> them.
>>
>> Here’s the article: 
>> https://www.secondwavemedia.com/southwest-michigan/features/Kalamazoo-Commuter-Challenge-encourage-new-cyclists.051624.aspx
>>
>> Leah
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[RBW] FS: Heron Road frame & fork, 60 cm; $600 + shipping

[Tom Goodmann]

One last effort to sell this never-built 60 cm Heron Road frame and fork 
only. As all will know, these bikes were designed by Grant at Rivendell as 
a collaboration with Rona Components, then owned by Ted Durant. and produced at 
Waterford. This beautiful blue-green road frame bears serial number B00055, 
and was built in February 2000 with Reynolds 531 tubing. (For further 
information, all of the original Heron web pages are still accessible: 
http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html). 
Designed for then-available short reach brakes, and 28mm tires with fenders 
(RH Chinook Pass); 30mm tires will also fit, depending on actual dimensions 
and rims. For wider tires, some riders have happily converted these to 650b 
using long reach brakes that were not available when the frame was made; 
Tektro 559s, as usual, or similar.
  The frame bears only the slightest mark on the inside of one rear 
dropout, probably a sign of having been fitted with a wheel at some point; 
it is otherwise pristine with all decals and the Heron head badge in 
perfect condition. I'm asking $600, plus shipping and insurance. 
  I'm selling because I am moving. (Meanwhile a local friend has sold 
me a beautiful custom Riv road bike, made by Curt Goodrich for Douglas 
Brooks. So, n-1; n+1 = 0, at least for now).

Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/ Questions are 
welcome; thanks for reading.  

Tom 

P.S. Coming soon: XO-3 with S couplers, size 59.

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

> On May 16, 2024, at 11:52 PM, Harry Travis  wrote:
> 
> "I was much less impressed by the ride quality of the thicker TPU tubes. 
> Though they still weigh less than butyl tubes, they don’t have the same 
> buoyant feeling of the lighter weight models. They changed the feel of the 
> bike completely; it felt like I was riding on cheap tires—or garden 
> hoses—instead of the high end tires I was testing. "
> 
> Note that the heaviest tube he rode on weighed 110g and is for a 35-40mm 
> tire. But then he discerned inferior ride quality, too, from a 65g tube 
> compared to a 30z
> 

I also have some Foss tubes that I have used in 584-42 and 584-48 Rene Herse 
ultralight tires, and I have used Scwhalbe #13 (standard) and #14A (extra 
light) tubes in those same tires. None of them make the tires feel like garden 
hoses, IMO. I never had to patch a Foss tube, but I haven’t put huge miles on 
them. I had what I think is more than a normal amount flats with the extra 
light butyl tubes, but I wouldn’t say that’s a certainty because wet roads and 
old tires are the primary risk factors and I can’t say I’ve controlled for that.

I would rank order the tubes as you’d expect for “ride feel” -
RH TPU
Schwalbe extra light
Foss
Schwalbe standard

I don’t think there’s much difference in feel between Foss and Schwalbe 
standard tubes, and the difference between RH TPU and Schwalbe extra light is 
pretty small.

All just one man’s opinion.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: ThRe: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26"

[Brian Turner]

Best of luck! I feel very fortunate to have found my 54.5cm, 26” Toyo last year 
and it has been a real joy to ride. Being on the shorter side (5’8”, 83 PBH), 
I’ve always appreciated the frames designed around a smaller wheelset, and you 
can’t beat 26” for that lively handling and bombproof wheel strength. I could 
easily ride a 56cm, and wouldn’t hesitate to pick up another if I were to ever 
find a good opportunity in that size as well.

Brian
Lex KY 

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Re: ThRe: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26"

[Max S]

Another possibility is finding a Riv All-Rounder – many of them were 
spec'ed for 26" wheels, even in the larger frame sizes, and it should be 
just dandy for leisurely rides. Barring that, maybe you can find the 
Handsome XOXO – they take a larger tire than the OG XO-1. 

- Max "need that Clay RTP bike" in A2

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Jerry Lynn wrote:

> Yup - saw this too - but at 6'1" a 56cm is as small as I can go. That 
> said, I thank you just the same!
>
> On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 20:13:50 UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> On May 16, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>> There is a guy on Facebook Riv Marketplace that says he has a Toyo built 
>> 57-58”, 26” Atlantis. Guy named William John Spencer in a WTB: Toyo 
>> Atlantis thread. 
>>
>>
>> Link:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/
>>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

While it is true that latex inner tubes are not made in 559-inch wheel 
sizes, they are absolutely made in 559mm BSD wheel sizes.  Maybe not quite 
as skinny as the tires Patrick Moore runs, but Vittoria makes one that is 
labeled 1.70" - 2.30". Michelin Air-Comp are out there with a box labeled 
1.6 - 2.1". 

Latex inner tubes are made in 559mm BSD wheel sizes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:02:37 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd like to try latex tubes (hell, I'd like to try TPUs if they had a 
> better reputation) but latex tubes aren't made in 559" wheel sizes.
>
> Has anyone tried and had success with installing appropriately wide latex 
> tubes in smaller diameter wheels by folding the tube to fit? Results?
>

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[RBW] DC Riv Dealer Figures Visually in TV Piece

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here in suburban DC we have been battling to get a bike lane put in on our 
main commuter route.  The Mayor was all in until about a month ago, so now 
the City Council is standing up to her.  Basically, it would head from the 
top of DC downtown as a protected lane and would be huge win.

I do local advocacy and the TV reporter (yes, a cyclist) reached out to me, 
I said meet me at our LBS Riv dealer, Happy Go.  I am off my bike for a 
week or so, so my Platty did not make an appearance, but Happy Go did.  And 
that is my head talking in favor.

Link to story 


Steve Seelig

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