Re: [RBW] RBW Seattle bike shops!

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If you're in Ballard, I'd just go to Free Range in Fremont. They're super 
close to you, and were at one time a Rivendell dealer. They are also super 
nice people there, and definitely won't mock you. No "bike shop dude" 
mentality there - in fact it's a woman owned business.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:17:29 PM UTC-7, Anthony Childs wrote:
>
> Nice, a lot votes for back Alley.  I live in Ballard and I’m familiar a 
> lot of the bike shops mentioned.  I feel like most places just think it’s 
> weird that I don’t want/have disc brakes.  Back alley is a new one for me 
> though! 
>
> Anthony Childs 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Good Problem to have? FS/FT

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I would build up the MIT one as an old school style MTB with Wavie or 
Bullmoose bars, and the Waterford as a drop bar all-rounder. Unless you 
can't afford to keep both, I bet you wouldn't regret it!

Eamon
seattle

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-7, Anthony Childs wrote:
>
> I've wanted an atlantis but,  now I have two!  
>
> I bought a new MIT Atlantis 53cm frame. soon after I came across a 56cm 
> waterford complete at a good price, so I bought it... I don't really need 
> an extra frame and I'm not sure I can return it, nor do I want to 
> (understanding the struggle of a small business) 
>
> Do I sale the new frame (in box)?
>
> OR! I would be willing to trade for a different Riv. Cheviot would be a 
> great different style or a complete clem L
>
>  Another option would be to build the MIT Atlantis and sale it complete??
>
> What do we think?
>   
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW Seattle bike shops!

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I second both Back Alley and Free Range. I also recommend Counterbalance (along 
Burke Gilman near U-village). Recycled Cycles in the U-district has good used 
parts bind to scavenge.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am currently running a pair of R539 brakes on my '83 Trek, and at least 
in the front, they are the limiting factor in fender/tire clearance. Dia 
Compe 610's offer several millimeters of additional clearance over the 
539's. I think if you want maximize clearance with that kind of brake 
reach, you need to go to centerpulls (or have canti posts brazed on).

I have had a front fender accordion on me before, so I like conservative 
clearance with fenders. Others may be more comfortable pushing the limits.

Eamon
Seattle

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:24:28 PM UTC-7, Matt D wrote:
>
> My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
> Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and *Tektro R539 brakes*. 
>

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[RBW] One month on the Roadeo

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks great. Based on my 89 pbh, it looks like it would be just my size. :)
Roadeos and "not Legolas" customs are my dream bikes.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

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I wonder if they are actually any wider than a 48cm Noodle. They state 50cm 
c-t-c at the ends. Noodles are 48cm c-t-c at the lever clamps - with the 4 
degree flare, they must be close to 50cm at the ends. The other 
measurements seem very close to the Noodle as well. I wonder if they aren't 
just a SimWorks branded 48cm Noodle.

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:59:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> If 48cm Noodles are just not wide enough, there's this:
>
> https://www.sim.works/products/so-bar?variant=12605701783653
>
> Comes in black and silver, obviously, I'd be interested in the silver 
> version.
>
> Anyone tried it?  It's a little more traditional and less bendy than a 
> Noodle.  But still, looks interesting.
>
> Jim
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[RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

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If you mean the Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drops, the listed size is measured at the 
ends, where the Noodle sizes reflect the width at the hoods. The RM-013 
flares at the ends of the drops a little more. I think a 48cm Noodle is 
actually 48cm at the hoods, where the 52 RM-013 is closer to 46cm at the 
hoods.

Eamon
Seattle

On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 8:00:14 PM UTC-8, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> I see Analog cycles has a dirt drop Nitto bar tha's 52mm wide, and in 
> black (hubba hubba). I've come close to buying it several times recently. 
> Wonder if anyone tried them.
>
> Mark
> Loma Mar
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Legolas on the blug

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Those look like the Compass 700c x 38mm Barlow Pass tires.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Silver Legolas on the blug

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That is a great looking bike. If I could afford a custom, it would be very 
close to a Legolas.

Eamon 
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

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Thanks, Bill. I’ve been considering putting different bars on my ‘87 Trek 
Antelope. I’ve been waffling between Bullmoose, Albastache, and Chocos. The 
Chocos look good on a bike like that. The forward curves look like a nice spot 
to grip.

Eamon 
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

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Bill, by chance were the bars on that Atlantis the new “wavie” bars they’ve 
been working on? Atlantis looks good as a hilly bike.

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

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I’ll be getting a set!

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] 61.5 Homer on a beautiful December Day

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Nice! I didn't think I was a fan of that blue until seeing it in person several 
months back when I stopped by Rivendell. It is really quite striking in person.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

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I suspect that what brakes to see using will be part the deciding factor. 
Centerpulls typically help maximize clearance at the crown and bridge as 
compared to dual pivot sidepulls, but they're not all the same. How much space 
do you have between the top of your 32mm tires and the brake?

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

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Bullmoose bars look proper on that bike. Looks like fun will be had!

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

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If you look at the geometry charts, Grant does use slightly different 
geometry for different wheel sizes (especially noticeable is differing HTA 
and fork rake). I think he tries to tune the handling feel nearly the same 
regardless of wheel size. Obviously, acceleration might feel different with 
smaller wheels, but I bet they handle pretty similar otherwise.

Eamon

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> I have a 56cm, 26"-wheeled Toyo Atlantis that I've recently realized is 
> too small for my 89cm PBH body (I know, way off). I've struggled with bike 
> fit all 8-9 of my cycling years and didn't really think the "Riv fit" would 
> work for me when I picked this frame up this summer. More recently, I 
> bought a 61cm Bleriot on the list and it fits like a glove! I'm still 
> happily riding the Atlantis, but can't help but feel like a 61cm frame 
> would be even better.
>
> I really love the Atlantis and have it build up exactly as I like it. I'm 
> quite sure the fit would be an instant improvement but worry that the 
> quickness I like about the smaller wheels would be lost with the 700c 
> wheels. I know their not fashionable and tire options are limited, but I 
> think the small wheels work really well on this bike.
>
> Anyone ridden both wheel sizes and have thoughts on the difference? More 
> likely to find someone who's ridden the 56 and 58, but maybe a 61, too?
>
> Darin
>

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[RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

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Damn, that's a proper looking Atlantis. Luckily, it's too small for me!

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

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I don't have a Rambouillet, but I think your experience is about what to 
expect from any bike designed for 57mm reach brakes. Under best case 
scenario, you might fit 32mm tires and fenders, but clearance will be 
tight. I think the intention is for 28mm max tire size with fenders, and 
35mm (maybe 37 in some cases) without fenders.

Eamon

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 1:55:39 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Just for fun and reference. Put your info here too for others to see as 
> this is discussed sometimes. Seems like different iterations have different 
> clearances.
> I have been wrestling with 700 x 40mm Berthouds to get them installed and 
> to fit with 700 x 32mm tires.
>
> *My Ram's frame iteration *(I think) one of the later ones*:*
> I have a blue 54 Rambouillet with Hilsen lugset/barrel eyelets on 
> seatstays/one eyelet per dropout (for iteration description).
> 132.5 dropouts.
> Frame features are like the green iteration. I have never seen an orange 
> or other blue like this.
>
> *Fenders and frame fit (700 x 40 stainless Berthoud Fenders):*
> Rear fender end at chainstay bridge needed to be squeezed a little  so it 
> would fit between stays. No spacers needed for bridge.
> Fenders cleared all frame points fine everywhere else front and back.
> Both fenders mounted to Problem Solvers fender nuts for easy on-off, and 
> maximum clearance without daruma hardware protrusion.
> All other fender bolts mounted with heads inside the fender and nuts 
> outside for same.
>
> *Fender fit over 32mm tires:*
> Front fender over tire went on easy.
> Rear was tough to get right, but now is on fine. 
> Nothing rubs but clearances are very tight. Nothing bigger than a 32 will 
> fit with fenders for sure.
> Too tight for my taste. I like better clearances.
> So I am hopefully getting some Cerf 28mm to put on it.
> Those tires I hope will have massive clearance after having mounted the 
> fenders for 32mm clearances.
>
> *650b conversion with SKS P45 fenders:*
> Massive clearance for 650 x 42mm tires with SKS P45 fenders on this bike. 
> Fenders fit good all around. Rear fender flexible enough to smoosh a little 
> between chainstays at chainstay bridge.
> No spacer needed.
> Tried P50 Honjos. Would need to be cut or shaped to fit around chainstays 
> at chainstay bridge on this frame. No spacer needed.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Recommend 700 x 28c tire, please.

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I’ve never had more than 75psi in my Chinook Passes, but I only weigh 140 
pounds. I have the extra light version, and am a little over 1000 miles in, 
with no flats. I do find them noticeably nicer riding than the 28mm non-belted 
Paselas they replaced, but not necessarily dramatically so. I chalk that up to 
the unbelted Paselas still being a really nice riding tire for the money. My 
only gripe with them is that the tread pattern picks up debris in the rain, and 
it slowly works its way in, causing flats. In a decade or more of riding them, 
almost every flat I had (not many) was in November and December (first 2 months 
if Seattle’s rainy season). After December, it seems it’s rained enough to wash 
most of the debris off the roads. If it was less rainy here, I’d probably still 
ride them in 28’s. I do still ride 26x1.75 Paselas on my old mountain bike. 

Eamon

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[RBW] Recommend 700 x 28c tire, please.

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You can't go wrong with Compass Chinook Pass, or Gravelking 28's. Schwalbe 
probably has something comparable. 

Eamon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

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Yes, Doug, I only meant that this discussion group is not a direct line to RBW, 
and that any message to them should go directly to them. They obviously read 
SOME posts here, but they don’t host or moderate this group.

Eamon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

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Doug, this group is about Rivendell bikes, but not run by them. Try emailing or 
calling them.

Eamon

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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

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Personally, I would consider the extra clearance a plus. That's commonly a spot 
where fender clearance is reduced by brake interference. I understand not 
wanting that if you don't plan on ever fendering the bike, or don't want to 
maximize tire size, but I'd personally only consider it a problem if it had 
REDUCED clearance.

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

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John, please do post some pictures when your Greenspot arrives.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Aha! I guess I always think about buying brakes as a pair (front and rear), 
but the original post did specify best fork crown clearance, so maybe the 
search is just for a single brake.

- Eamon

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 12:51:49 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Right now (Sunday 9/16 3:47pm ET) ebay has one single NIB silver Paul 
> Racer brake for a "Buy it now" price of $90.  See it here 
> 
> .
>
> There are several other new Paul Racers on ebay for barely over $100.  
>
> Tom
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>>
>> Used Paul Racers?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Do people actually sell Paul's for under $100, even used? I'm asking, not 
disagreeing. I've never seen them for that price, but I've also never 
really shopped for any used other than casually searching.

Eamon

On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Right, Eamon, that's why I said "Used..." :)
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 12:38:57 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist 
> wrote:
>>
>> Paul's are a lot more than $100...
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Mountain Bike

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I love all the little musical instrument decals - hope they stay.

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[RBW] Re: Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Paul's are a lot more than $100...

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[RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

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It doesn't really strike me as a "step through" - it's just a curvy/droopy 
dropped top tube that gives more standover clearance. As said earlier, a bit 
like a Jones spacecraft in that regard. Either way, I love it.

Eamon

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[RBW] Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Centerpulls are going to be your best bet as far as minimizing brake 
interference with fork crown clearance. I think you'd have to go used to find a 
set under $100, although the new Dia Compe dc610's are worth it.

I currently run Tektro r539's on my '83 Trek 520, and they DO reduce my 
available clearance. I have plenty of clearance for 28mms tires with fenders, 
but it would be too tight for my taste with 32's.

These IRD brakes are in your budget and claim good fender and tire clearance, 
and the shape of the arms looks promising, but I guess it also depends on how 
far below the bolt they hang.
https://store.somafab.com/irdb57brakes.html

Eamon
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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

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I would suspect that with the huge frame sizes he rode, Jobst wouldn’t have 
likely ever chosen 650b for himself, regardless of tire size. I guess we can’t 
ask him anymore to know for sure .

Eamon 
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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

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I did notice bison could be found in there, and wondered if it was indeed part 
if the name. Seems appropriate fir a mountain bike.

Eamon 

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

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The Jones LWB shows a long wheelbase can be successfuly used on a mountain 
bike. I bet it will at least be long in the rear center - I’m curious what the 
front end geometry will be like. I would bet that Grant will want to balance 
the stability and “in the bike” feeling of a longer rear with some nimbleness 
in the front. It will be interesting to see how much of that comes from head 
tube angle and how much from fork rake.

Regarding the name, all I came up with were dumb nonsense names that surely 
aren’t correct. Someone else will have to figure it out!

Eamon

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Looks like it’s going to be a cool bike :) The tubular fork crown reminds me of 
a fancier version on some old Raleigh fork crowns.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Looks properly TUFF and wide!

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

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I would think Choco or Albatross bars would work great on a Clem. Perhaps 
the combination of how high and far back the Boscos come could be why 
you're feeling they aren't wide enough? I would think a bar that got a 
little closer to the stem would feel better.

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[RBW] Re: Would it be fun to have an all SILVER group?

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Not to change the subject, but have you ever posted pictures of your Rivendell 
Mountain? They seem to be rare beasts, and I've only ever seen a few pictures 
before.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Sackville BagBoy

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Looks great to me. Love it!

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[RBW] Re: What tires fit good on 700c Sun CR18 rims?

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Seconding this. I've used CR18's (and previously Sun M13's as well) for 
years. Most tires have been no problem, although some were a little tight 
with cloth rim tape. Switch to something thinner like tubeless tape and you 
shouldn't have a problem.

Eamon
Seattle

On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:26:53 PM UTC-7, CMR wrote:
>
> Not a tire, but try putting tubeless tape on there if you haven't done so 
> already. Gives more of a groove to fit part of the bead in while you pop 
> the other side on.
>
> -Chris
> Berkeley, CA
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone installed Guidonnet style levers on Choco's?

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Similar feelings here. I also had a set mounted on VO Porteur bars. I found 
that if you grabbed the curved end portion hard in an emergency braking 
situation, the levers could rotate on the bars, causing the lever to bottom 
out against the bars. This led to a very scary near crash for me. I 
couldn't seem to tighten the band clamp enough to make them feel safe and 
secure to me.

Eamon

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I've used them on the VO Porteurs which are similar to the Chocos. Wasn't 
> a fan. They have lots of flex and sit very far away from the bar with no 
> adjustment (though Kai's smartly-rigged set might fix the latter). 
>
> Eric
>
> On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 10:11:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I have a new Dia-Compe set I've been meaning to use for, like, 3 years. 
>> The chances of this ever happening seem to be nah so if anybody wants them 
>> I figure 20 bucks shipped. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA AHH on Ebay

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I wonder if a it's a repaint with the correct decals applied...

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:17:15 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Odd paint, too. It looks legit with correct decals, but there isn't a 
> single cream lug window to be seen. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

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I'd say probably EVERY Rivendell bike, with the exception of maybe the 
Roadeo, has longer chainstays than the Elephant NFE. The NFE has 43.5cm 
stays in all sizes. With the NFE's low trail geometry, every Riv is going 
to feel quite a bit different, not just the new long chainstay models (not 
a knock on the NFE or the long bikes).

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 10:32:37 AM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> The longer chainstays will give you what you want. The AHH stays are 
> 47.5cm. I have a 53 MIT Atlantis with 52cm stays. Cushy ride but still 
> responsive.
>
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:22:07 AM UTC-4, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> I (pre)ordered one the other day. I’ve been wanting an an AHH for a while 
>> now but the MUSA frames were just out of my budget, so I jumped at the MIT 
>> version. Admittedly I’d prefer the more horizontal top tube and shorter 
>> wheel base, but what can you do.  My only bike now is an elephant Nfe which 
>> is low trail and pretty “lively” and a lot of fun to ride, but I think the 
>> AHH will make an awesome partner for days* I want something more stable 
>> and comfortable.* That’s the plan anyway. 
>>
>> Side note: I’ve seen a guy lately cruising around West Seattle and 
>> downtown Seattle on an Atlantis with double tt. Looks awesome.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

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I'd say probably EVERY Rivendell bike, with the exception of maybe the 
Roadeo, has longer chainstays than the Elephant NFE. The NFE has 43.5cm 
stays in all sizes. With its low trail geometry, every Riv is going to feel 
quite a bit different, regardless of chainstay length.

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 10:32:37 AM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> The longer chainstays will give you what you want. The AHH stays are 
> 47.5cm. I have a 53 MIT Atlantis with 52cm stays. Cushy ride but still 
> responsive.
>
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:22:07 AM UTC-4, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> I (pre)ordered one the other day. I’ve been wanting an an AHH for a while 
>> now but the MUSA frames were just out of my budget, so I jumped at the MIT 
>> version. Admittedly I’d prefer the more horizontal top tube and shorter 
>> wheel base, but what can you do.  My only bike now is an elephant Nfe which 
>> is low trail and pretty “lively” and a lot of fun to ride, but I think the 
>> AHH will make an awesome partner for days* I want something more stable 
>> and comfortable.* That’s the plan anyway. 
>>
>> Side note: I’ve seen a guy lately cruising around West Seattle and 
>> downtown Seattle on an Atlantis with double tt. Looks awesome.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: (Belated) New (to me) Bike Day: Rambouillet!

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That is a great color green! What a good looking bike - not as adorable as 
I'm sure your new baby will be, but still...!

Eamon
Seattle

>
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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

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I just saw the samples in person. I was killing time waiting for a flight back 
to Seattle this evening, and took BART out to RBW, since I wanted to pickup 
some new Dia Compe 610’s.

Will showed me the new Taiwan Homers, and they look great! A little more 
upslope, and longer, but proportional to size chainstays. Will did say they 
take 27.2 seatpost. These look like a hell of a bike for the money. I am 
seriously thinking of getting serious about saving, selling stuff, whatever I 
need to do to get one. I didn’t think I’d like the color, but was completely 
won over in person. Don’t think there’s any corners cut by being made overseas 
- these are beautiful bikes.

Will offered me a test ride, but it was very smoky today, and I have lung 
issues, otherwise I expect I’d be telling you how great they ride. I’ve always 
wanted an Atlantis, but I may have converted that desire to a Homer. 

Eamon
Seattle 

p.s. the new orange Roadini color looks great, as do the canti Sams.

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[RBW] New Dia Compe 610s on Redwood.

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Looking good. I'm hoping to visit Rivendell soon, and think I'm going to pickup 
a set myself. I'm going to put them on my '83 Trek 520. I've had my old 610's 
in there in the past, but like how much nicer the new ones look, and also like 
the idea of smoother lighter action.

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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No need to be sorry - nobody claimed a HiteRite is everything a modern 
dropper is. I just said I think they work better than some might give them 
credit for, and I don't think anyone else said or implied much different. 
Happily use your dropper judgement free - I bet their fun to use!

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:18:08 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> ... So, I've concluded that in the areas I ride to get me to use a dropper 
> it needs to be easily actuated without me thinking too much about it, and 
> I'm sorry to say that Hite Rite wouldn't make the cut. 
>
>

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[RBW] Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

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Your Bombadil looks really good! I am generally not super big on that light 
silvery blue color, but the contrasting dark blue heartburn wins me over. I 
would take one like that in a heartbeat. It's funny how such a small detail can 
change your while impression of something.

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Hite Rites are kind of awesome low tech wonders. Yeah, modern droppers have 
more functionality, but Hite Rites work better than I bet a lot of people would 
expect.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] New to me Roadeo

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Damn, that's a good looking bike!

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: The "One Bike" for a featherweight?

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I don't have one, so can only speculate, but Sam Hillbornes are supposedly 
somewhere in between the Homer and the Atlantis on the stoutness scale. Now 
that they're offered with canti/V brake posts, they supposedly clear 48mm 
tires too. They also build up great as touring, trail, or road bikes.

I feel you on the featherweight thing. I'm between 5' 11" and 6 feet, at 
about 140 pounds or less. Most bikes my size these days are way sturdier 
than I need, even loaded. I wonder what people take with them touring. I've 
never brought more than 30 pounds, even in the mountains for 5 days. I 
guess cans of beer add up pretty quick!

Both my bikes are standard diameter tubing. A 1983 Trek 520, with 
.09/.06/.09 Reynolds 501 tubing, and a 1987 Trek Antelope with Tange 
unbutted .09 tubing. They feel pretty right to me, and I like the look of 
skinny tubes too.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day!

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That's a Waterford made Atlantis, right? Looks like a 62, based on the 700c 
wheels and single top tube. I'd order that same bike today, if I had the 
money! Nuthin' to dislike on that bike, and lots to love.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day!

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Ditto!

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 2:44:47 PM UTC-7, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> That is beautiful. Makes me want to get one!
>
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 12:03:27 PM UTC-7, Rusty Click wrote:
>>
>> FEDX dropped off a pre-RAGBRAI package for me today.  I carefully 
>> unwrapped, assembled, and took some pics.
>>
>> Cant talk now, I gotta go ride!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: OT: Frankenbar sighting

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It looks like Soma's "3-speed moustache" bars, which take mtb style 
levers/shifters. While I like the idea of an albastache bar shape that 
could use mtb levers, those particular Soma bars have always looked 
terrible to me. Little did I know someone found a way to make them worse! :)

Eamon

On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 9:59:23 AM UTC-7, Ana Candela wrote:
>
> Wow! Talk about multiple hand positions! Must’ve been a fun project :-D 
>
> I’m not sure, but I don’t think it’s the Albastache or Moustache. The 
> grips are too long, and the front area where you clamp the stem is too long 
> too.

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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Patrick, if you find the statement "For blacks, women, and gays, there were no 
'good old days." controversial or offensive, I respectfully ask that you 
consider whether you need to recalibrate YOUR controversy sensor.

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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It actually does look more like TMax than HP5. :)

Eamon

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 7:50:03 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> Hey, guys. I hate to hijack the thread, but I've been shooting a lot of 
> film lately. Any other film shooters here?
>
> Last weekend was my first time using Ilford's Delta 400. The camera store 
> was out of HP5. Developed a roll from Saturday in my basement last night. 
> Seems like finer grain than HP5. Maybe more like Kodak's TMax? 
>
> I'm attaching one shot chosen at random. Thoughts?
>
> John in Portland, Ore.
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 6:59:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of my "bumbling rhetoric". You're 
>> either on the right side of abducting children or evil. Your choice. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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Spy shot!!!




On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 3:15:30 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> It'll be a first look at our three-top tube bike!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

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How about a MOOSE-stache!

Eamon
Seattle

On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 11:59:20 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> I want a Noodle-moose too, Chris!
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Christopher Murray  > wrote:
>
>> I will pre-order any noodle-moose bars!!!
>>
>> Chris
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[RBW] Other annoying threads

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Ian, not only does that irritate me, it baffles me. Why would anyone who cares 
enough about speed to draft someone, choose a plodding sloowpoke like me?

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[RBW] Re: Cutting down grip area of Choco bar?

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No, I don’t have either bars at the moment. If I trimmed the grip area of a 
Choco, the main difference between the two bars would be mtb levers, grips, and 
thumb shifters, vs drop levers, bar end shifters, and bar tape.

I think the combination of top tube length and slack headtube would bring uncut 
Choco bars too close too my knees, even with a pretty long stem.

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Other annoying threads

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Ha! I’m happily still using 6 and 7 speed freewheels and 126mm spacing, but I 
don’t think one way or the other is better. Use all the gears you like!
I have given up on 5 speed though, so I have moved on a little bit. If I have 
less than 6, I want it to be Sturmey Archer 3 speed.

Eamon
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[RBW] Cutting down grip area of Choco bar?

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I was thinking about trying out some different bars on my old 80’s Trek 
Antelope. Ergon grips have made the original bars (riser bars with a few 
degrees of swep) more comfortable for long rides, but I start wanting more hand 
positions after a while.

I had been considering (and still am) Albastaches, but have also thought about 
Chocos. The only problem with the Chocos is they will come back too far for me. 
I have the short Tektro mtb levers, sunrace shifters, and ergon grips. It seems 
I could fit all if that in much shorter section of bar, while still keeping the 
nice looking curved forward grip section.
Anybody ever cut this section down a bit?

Eamon 
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

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Quite right, your post did not state any feelings about the Grant's post, 
just whether it should be discussed here.
My apologies.

Eamon
Seattle

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:09:04 PM UTC-7, d2mini wrote:
>
> It started off that way but of course specifics are now being 
> discussed/argued.
> I'm not saying I don't agree with Grant (no idea where you got that, that 
> is your poor assumption), but even Grant used his blog, not this forum.
> There is a time and a place.
>
> But hey, it's not my forum, I'm just a guest, as are all of you. If this 
> is how things are run here, who am I to have a problem with it?
> All I can do is offer my opinion on the matter.
>
> Best,
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:40:29 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>> Mattt and d2mini, I respectfully suggest that this is simply a thread 
>> thanking Grant for a post on his blog. Clearly you disagree with his 
>> sentiment, and have expressed so. Why not leave it at that?
>>
>> Eamon 
>> Seattle 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

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Mattt and d2mini, I respectfully suggest that this is simply a thread thanking 
Grant for a post on his blog. Clearly you disagree with his sentiment, and have 
expressed so. Why not leave it at that?

Eamon 
Seattle 

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[RBW] Thanks Grant

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Yeah, one more time - thank you, Grant.

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[RBW] Thanks Grant

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Mattt, feel free to ignore that simple thank you to Grant, which I second. 
Nothing political mentioned - just thanks.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

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Dang, I'd love that if it weren't so big! I could ride a 61 or 62, but a 68 
is big.

Eamon
Seattle

On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 11:57:36 AM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> If someone is in Seattle this could be a nice find. Remember a blue Ram 
> just went for over $2000.  Looks like a 62?  Rambouillet By Rivendell 
> Bicycle Works Bike Frame RB0952 C-T 27" Local P/U Only 
> https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401552870412
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: New Dia Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes?

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Weird - that looks like it would preclude the use of a Sheldon nut for easy 
fender mounting.

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

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I wouldn't consider any cruiser/paperboy fork ever made to be comparable to 
(for example) a Hunqapillar or Bombadil fork (which I would consider "mtb" 
forks).

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Eamon, hmm, I understood this new bike to be a 'dedicated' mountain bike, 
> which in my experience means no need for racks and fenders.  Maybe I got 
> that wrong?
>
> Also, there are plenty of old steel "paperboy" and cruiser bikes with 
> nicely curved, very strong blades.
>
> Tom
>
> On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:25:11 AM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>> Well, for starters the headtube has to be shorter, and the fork crown 
>> ends up a million miles from the rack mounting braze ons, limiting your 
>> front rack mounting options (also making fender mounting difficult). The 
>> fork blades have to be much longer (and probably stouter), making chances 
>> for an elegant looking fork slim to none. 
>
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[RBW] Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

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Well, for starters the headtube has to be shorter, and the fork crown ends up a 
million miles from the rack mounting braze ons, limiting your front rack 
mounting options (also making fender mounting difficult). The fork blades have 
to be much longer (and probably stouter), making chances for an elegant looking 
fork slim to none.

I think a bike is either designed for suspension or it isn’t. Trying to do both 
is a bad idea.

There’s also the admittedly subjective matter of aesthetics (I think they are 
as ugly as including disc and canti mounts - i.e. super ugly).

Eamon 
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Difficult for you, maybe. I've tried "good" disc brakes, and still never 
wished that my bikes had them. On a cargo bike, or what mtb's have become 
today, sure. You have plenty of options if you want them on every other 
kind of bike.

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 7:04:15 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Mark: I think the issue is it's difficult to find people who've tried 
> (good, not Walmart-level) discs and not liked them. I understand there's a 
> framebuilder reason to not want to mess around with the things, but they're 
> pretty fabulous on the rider end. 
>
> But I give up. Yesterday's newsletter tells me they're sick of hearing it, 
> so I'll let it go. 
>

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[RBW] New Dia Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes?

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I thought they mentioned a while back that they might show up in June. I am 
also waiting for them. If you are still looking for an older set, I have a set 
of Weinmann 610's that I'd be happy to send to you cheap. Message me if you're 
interested.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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i.e. rim brakes, of course! No surprise, and as it should be ;^)

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 1:10:14 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> From today’s email: “Just know that it's a Riv thru and thru, *it will 
> have a superior form of disc brake that utilizes the rim for maximum 
> leverage and light weight,* it will be rigid, steel & human powered, and 
> it will use an existing wheel size with plenty of tire choices. A little 
> more heavy-duty than a Clem.” 
> This sounds perfect to me; I am saving my pennies to be ready next spring!

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Read Jeff Jones' posts about the Jones Plus LWB (long wheelbase) bike. They 
are quite a bit longer than his standard model, and still highly capable 
offroad. He goes into a lot of detail as to the differences and why you 
might prefer one over the other.

http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-plus/

Eamon
Seattle

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 1:02:29 PM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Is there any reason to believe longer (i.e., Riv-long) chainstays would be 
> a good feature on an MTB? Didn't the Bombadil have relatively short ones? 
> Many rigid MTB builders such as Waltworks insist on shorter stays. Now, MTB 
> can include many variations of riding off-road, so I suppose there could be 
> vastly different designs for each style of riding. Does LONN have a 
> place in there somewhere? I personally can't see how long chainstays would 
> be a good fit on a trail bike.
>
> KJ
>
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Sounds good to me, Grant! There are zillions of highly specialized mountain 
bikes out there already - no need to chase after them.

Eamon

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Even though many of the guesses are 75 percent accurate, this bike is 
> bound to disappoint throngs, but not by intent. There is already tons of 
> variety in mtn bikes. More than a dozen categories--jumpers, pumpers, xc, 
> dh, hardtails, fat, plus, e, enduro... No matter what we do, there's going 
> to be some overlap, and it's going to be both too much and not enough, 
> depending. There will be some THINGS that it doesn't excel at, but it's 
> more the rider than the bike, anyway--right?
> The record descent of Repack Road (fire trail in Marin County on which 95 
> percent of the original mtn bike development took place in the late '70s) 
> is 4:22 for all 2 miles and 1,300 feet of it. In late '76 Gary Fisher did 
> that on a modified paperboy bike with a coaster brake. About 8 years 
> later,  (sorry for the history!) daredevil downhiller Jimmy Deaton, rode it 
> on a then-SOA bike in 4:34. 
> Those are the facts that feed the notion that the measure of a bike and a 
> rider is speed, which I think is way off.  When you design for extreme 
> speeds or terrain or surfaces (sand, snow, boulders...) you get an extreme 
> bike that psychologizes normal riders into thinking they're worse for being 
> normal and let's them buy their way into the glorified extreme world and 
> look ready for action on the way back from Trader Joe's. 
>
> The plan with the new bike—which may not even happen—is that it's a 
> sufficient platform and maybe no more, for lots of non-extreme trail 
> riding, and it's sufficiently different than our other bikes to be barely 
> justifiable. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Yeah, I'm with you too. It's almost certain to have rim brakes, and why 
not?  I don't get why so many people keep describing bikes that already 
exist by other companies. I think it will almost certainly have longer 
chainstays than the Hunqapillar as well. Will they be Clem length? Who 
knows. I suppose it will likely use the new "wavie" bars (or bullmoose).

I'm personally excited to see what it is, even though I won't get one. My 
'87 Trek Antelope is still enough mountain bike for me, and an Atlantis 
would be even more so. The new long chainstay bikes are, like the Jones 
Plus, probably too long a wheelbase for me to have because of train/bus/car 
bike rack issues, but that doesn't mean I think they're a bad idea. I'd 
love to ride one of each!

Eamon

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 11:01:25 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> I’m on the opposite end. I’m hoping it’s a lugged, cream heat tube, rim 
> brake compatible frame with clearance over 2.5”. I’m not needing 3”. And 
> I’m not proselytizing, just stating my own preference. I prefer cantis to 
> discs for a few reasons. (And I do have a bike with cable disc brakes, no 
> hydraulics through). I prefer the aesthetics and the modes that I have to 
> eliminate brake rub. I find keeping rim brakes in good working order is a 
> more fun process than doing so with discs, which sometimes gets in my head 
> and drives me mad. 
>
> Me hearing brake rub could probably be a Poe short story. 
>
>
> -Jim W 
>
>
> > On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Joe Bernard  > wrote: 
> > 
> > I think they're missing sales not offering a disc trail bike, but I've 
> given up. Grant doesn't want to do it and it's his business. No discs for 
> you! 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Jobst on short chainstays

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Bill, I definitely meant option B!

Eamon 

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[RBW] Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

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I don't think canti's look wrong on most any bike, but there's plenty of 
reasons to use side of center pull brakes. Brazing on cantilever posts also 
cost more. I think they strike pretty good balance on the brake styles.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Jobst on short chainstays

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1983 Trek 720's and 850's had 47 and 48.5 cm stays, respectively. I suspect 
those were the maximum length you could get. Great riding bikes. I think most 
people would objectively consider those long chainstays, and that's about in 
the range of the current Waterford Atlantis. I doubt Jobst's stays were any 
longer than that.

Now, if one has reasons to find stays well into the 50's too long for their 
purposes, that doesn't necessarily make you a long chainstay denier who insists 
on 42-43 cm stays. I bet the very looong Riv's do ride great, but I do hope all 
the Taiwan bikes don't go to that extreme. That doesn't mean not making long 
bikes, but hopefully still keeping a Taiwan made option that can tour, without 
having chainstays well into the 50-60 cm range. 

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

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Thanks, that's what I figured. I think 57mm brake reach typically means 
32mm without fenders, and 28mm with. Having had a front fender buckle on me 
decades ago, I'm very much in favor of NOT pushing my fender clearances 
(especially on the front).

Eamon

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:20:26 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> There’s 9-10mm of clearance at the tightest spots. That’s not enough room 
> for fenders in my book, but it is enough room for some people. If I was 
> intent on running fenders I’d look to go to a true 28-29mm tire. 
>
> Bill

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

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Just curious, Bill... do the Eroicas and those brakes leave room for fenders?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

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That is a great looking Atlantis. If that were my size I'd want one just like 
it!

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

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Good deal, Bill. I think the Roadini is a great bike, and if I lost my 1983 
Trek 520, that's what I'd replace it with. Grilver is the color I'd choose too. 
It reminds me of the sweet silver gray metallic Imron paint job my Trek came 
with. I also think the headbadge is the bees knees.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

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Have fun - good looking Atlantis!

Eamon
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[RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Mastodon.

You're welcome,
Eamon in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

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In the Waterford version, I think I'd want either a 59 or 61. I also like 
large frames, but I've got a short torso compared to my inseam. For myself 
I'd err on the side of getting a comfortable reach with drop bars, since 
top tube slope looks like it would eliminate the need for too much quill 
extension. If I was going for upright bars, I'd definitely consider the 
next size up.

Eamon
Seattle

As a reference, I bought a Trek 520 in 1983, and it was 61 or 62 (they 
called it 24"). It always felt a bit big when I reached for the hooks. That 
one got stolen and I replaced it with another 83 520, but the next size 
down (about 58cm ctt), which makes the reach better. If I had known better, 
the big one probably would have felt just fine with a shorter stem, but I 
was too ignorant to even ask about such a thing then. If I had a custom, 
I'd like the seat tube of the bigger one, and the top tube of the smaller 
one.

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 12:59:43 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Eamon, 
>
> Seems like 89-90pbh is somewhat the new dividing line in the recent 
> sizing, at least with the Roadini, Homer, Atlantis, the Appaloosa and Clem 
> H.  I have an 89pbh as well, ride a 58cm Appaloosa, and am thinking (maybe 
> very fuzzy, optimistic thinking) I would want a 61.5cm Homer as primarily a 
> road bike, with a little gravel thrown in, with the caveat that I prefer a 
> slightly larger frame (relative to the norm) versus slightly smaller.  I 
> would also probably run 700x38's, hopefully knocking the max SO height down 
> just a fraction.
>
> Facts, pictures and others' experiences could certainly push me the other 
> way.  I'll keep watching, reading, and hoping at least a few more 
> measurements make it out to the masses.
>
> A great looking bike though... I will be excited to hear more!
>
> Bob
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

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New Homer looks good. It looks like there is a little extra top tube 
upslope, and a little more chainstay length without becoming one of the 
long bikes. Not knocking the long bikes - I have no doubt they ride great 
and I hope they sell a ton of 'em. They are just too long to work for ME 
for practical reasons. I think the new Homer looks like a winner. Looks 
like I'd probably be a 58 in the version (89 pbh).

Eamon
Seattle

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 3:26:28 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Looking through the new brochure it looks like the AHH is going to be also 
> be made in Taiwan. I love the idea and it looks in between sizes with Sam 
> and the AHH will be the 650B Sam and the Atlantis the 650B Joe Appaloosa. 

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[RBW] Active warm-ups and stretching

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Makes sense to me, and I favor the active warmup as well.

Nice looking Sam, by the way!

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

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Tim, speaking for myself, I like downtube shifters for a variety of reasons. I 
like the feel of skinny bars with no cables underneath (i use non aero levers 
as well), and as you say, the cockpit is simplified. The cables also end up 
shorter, and are running through little to no housing. I don't really care 
about the minor weight savings, but that benefit is there as well. I like that 
they encourage thinking about my shifting, and not constantly shifting to find 
time my cadence (adjusting my cadence more). Some people might find that a con. 
It does provide a nice reason to take your hands off the bars.

They are less convenient on trails or very rough surfaces, since you have to 
have hand leave the bars. Another situation they are less ideal is coming down 
a steep hill where you need to stop at the bottom. You have to think in advance 
about how to both brake heavily and dump a bunch of years so you can get 
started again. I usually try to downshift a bunch of years right before I 
brake. Obviously, these conditions are somewhat easier with barends or 
integrated levers.

The downsides don't bother me for occasional trail use, but in a bike that saw 
a lot of it, I'd personally use barends. I bought a set of the Silver barend 
shifters, just using the levers on my downtubes, but having the barend pods on 
hand if I ever want to switch.housing

I'm not sure I would recommend downtime shifters to anyone who didn't grow up 
with them, but like I said, getting the barend kit from Rivendell allows you to 
try it both ways.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

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That looks great! It makes me reconsider the powder coat job I plan on having 
done soon on my old 1983 Trek. I bet that dark metallic looks even better in 
person. It’s now a real one of a kind bike in more than one respect.

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

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Wow, it fit 38mm tires, huh? Must be a comfy ride! Clearance looks a bit tight 
up front - is it just tight at the brakes, or is it tight at the fork crown as 
well?

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Seen on My Instagram: My new 57cm Legolas Frameset

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Nice! My two dream bikes would be a Legolas and a Waterford Atlantis.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

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Who knew this thread would end up discussing foot long hot dogs and Leica's?

So, to sum up:
- The old Atlantis is still available at the old price
- The new Atlantis is probably a fantastic bike, a lot more affordable with 
no drop in quality, maybe subjectively better in certain areas
- Some folks don't like the longer chainstays no matter what
- Some folks love the longer chainstays
- Some folks worry that the longer chainstays affect the transportability 
of the bike (bus, train, car racks), but we don't know, because the actual 
numbers aren't available
- The new Atlantis may appear to overlap the Appaloosa to some, but is more 
drop bar friendly
- Some folks find it rude to comment negatively, some just feel it's a 
discussion
- We're well beyond 200 comments!
- This much brouhaha is only possible because the Atlantis is a cool bike 
that people like a lot
- Hot dogs!
- Leicas!

:P

Eamon
Seattle


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[RBW] Riv-ified Trek 850 Commuter.

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The 1983 850 is my favorite all time mountain bike. I bought a 520 in 1983 and 
really wanted the 850 too. They were notable in having better to my liking, 
anyway) geometry than other MTBs of the day - steeper angles than the klunker 
bikes (but not NORBA steep), but still long chainstays. The color scheme was 
fantastic too. I bet it rides great with Rat Traps.

I wasn't able to afford a second bike until 1987, when I got my 830 Antelope. I 
love that bike, and still have it, but always wished I had the '83. I'm jealous!

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

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Thanks, Patrick. Slim fit is usually what I need, as I'm 5' 11.5" and 140 
lbs. I bet a medium will still give me some layering room. I'm thinking it 
would be a great jacket for Seattle weather. My only question is whether I 
really need double ventile.

Eamon

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 4:22:49 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Good call, Eamon! Just keep in mind that the greenspot is trim fit, which 
> means if you get your correct size and are trim, you will be hard pressed 
> to fit extra layers under for insulation, making it a zero season garment 
> for the riding I do (which can include snow at altitude, even in summer). 
> But as a day ride jacket in warmer/more stable climbs, it’s an excellent 
> choice. If you need greater flexability in what you wear under, check out 
> their various smocks. Get the side zips if my want ventilation (but this 
> can get a bit flappy when riding, so I prefer without the side zips). 
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to pm me. I know it’s a tricky bit to 
> navigate (I’m not associated with them except a very happy customer who 
> takes his jacket on every ride and has outfitted his family with the 
> jackets too (they get to grow into them, like they do their Clementines! 
> Grin.). 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

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Looking good on the Riv cover page, Patrick.
On the subject of Hilltrek and ventile, I really want one of their herirage 
Greenspot jackets!

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Roadini build and first ride report!

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I love the Roadini in the gray/silver. I think they knocked that bike out of 
the park. I also think the Roadini headbadge is the best ever.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains

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I don't know exactly (and it may vary somewhat with different styles), but the 
bus racks in Seattle fit a current Atlantis, but not a 59 Clem. Rightly or 
wrongly they are designed for bikes with traditionally "normal" wheelbases, and 
by traditional standards, 47-48cm chainstays (which I like) are already on the 
long end of the spectrum.

My raising the question is not a value judgement on super long stays, nor is it 
questioning their effect on handling.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains

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Thanks. If a 51 fits, but only just, I suspect a 58 might be iffy.

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

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I don’t believe I insulted Grant’s work, and sure didn’t intend to. I didn’t 
say anything about not fitting geometry charts or my ideals - I said it may no 
longer fit a bike rack on the bus, or the hooks on the trains. It is just a 
practical matter.

Eamon
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