Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Another Olympus OM-D E-M5 mk II user here. The 17mm f/1.8 lens keeps things 
nice and light when the camera is hanging from my neck or on my shoulder, 
ready for action photos during group rides.

Bob E.
Cranford, NJ
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On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 3:39:44 PM UTC-4 christian poppell wrote:

> Fun topic! For film cameras I've used a Minolta GT and a Nikon FE with a 
> 50mm 1.8. The Minolta gets thrown in the handlebar bag and the Nikon has a 
> Tunitas Motion camera strap (
> https://www.tunitascreative.com/product-page/motion-camera-strap). We 
> also recently used a disposable for a trip out to Lost Dutchman which was a 
> fun way to snap some film shots while riding (much less stressful taking 
> photos while riding too). 
>
> Its been tempting to make the switch back to digital, especially when film 
> and developing are so expensive. I believe the justification to continue 
> shooting film are in the limitations and the fact that I don't have to sit 
> in front of a computer to get the images, managing folders, and organizing 
> everything. Even when I had Lightroom it was a chore. 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Bob]

My pertinent experience (including, for completeness, cantilevers):

   - V-brakes: Tektro 834A around 40 mm tires and fenders did indeed have 
   good stopping power, except in winter before the rims and pads warmed up 
   and dried off a little. A significant number of times when I disconnected 
   the noodle in order to remove the wheel, I had trouble getting the brake 
   centered after installing the wheel and reconnecting the noodle. This was 
   no doubt due to my own ignorance, but nevertheless it was annoying.
   - Centerpull, bolt-on: Paul Racer around 38 mm tires and fenders stopped 
   fine and, just as some users have claimed, seemed to have better modulation 
   than any other brakes I've used. I should note that I never rode the bike 
   with these brakes in really bad weather, so I have no idea how the brakes 
   would have done in winter. Always easy to center after having disconnected 
   the straddle cable to facilitate wheel removal, or even after removing the 
   brake, installing a fender, and reinstalling the brake. It was so easy I 
   thought I was doing something wrong.
   - Centerpull, direct mount: Compass/René Herse around 42 mm tires and 
   fender stop fine with excellent modulation, and have always been easy to 
   center after disconnecting the straddle cable. 
   - Cantilever: Paul Neo-Retro/Touring Canti around 54 mm tires and 
   fenders stop brilliantly with good modulation, though maybe not with as 
   good modulation as centerpulls. Stop well even in crappy winter weather. I 
   don't find cantilevers difficult to adjust to my taste, but they're not as 
   easy as centerpulls. Again, all impressions may be due to ignorance.

In short, v-brakes felt more "grabby" to me, but occasionally were harder 
to adjust; while centerpulls, though maybe not *quite* as good at stopping 
quickly, have better modulation and are easier to adjust. Could be that my 
experience with v-brakes would be better with a different v-brake, like a 
Shimano or Paul Motolite; and that my experience with centerpulls would be 
less pleasant in a wider variety of conditions.

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On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:13:58 AM UTC-6 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes 
> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier 
> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
> fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 
>
> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really 
> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are 
> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't 
> run more than 43mm tires and fenders. 

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Re: [RBW] The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Spectacular!

Excellent choice of components, and the ~20 lbs. for the complete build is 
impressive. And you can't go wrong with pink and black!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ
On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 2:50:49 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Nobilette just put my garage photo out on his Instagram.  So now it's 
> really out there.  I was going to let the Riv folks do the more public 
> reveal, but whatev...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 8:02:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I tried to politely ignore the tubing inquiry.  I didn't ask.  If I did 
>> ask I'm sure they would tell me.  As far as I'm concerned it's the same as 
>> the previously published numbers.  I dwell on a lot of things.  Tubing 
>> diameters, butt thicknesses, butt lengths and transition zones are not 
>> among those things I dwell upon.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 5:44:25 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> This bike is gorgeous. I am not sure if you responded to the 
>>> inquiry about what tubeset was used but I would be interested to know. This 
>>> thing is simply stunning and I am all about the pink bike . I had a pink 
>>> Bates with diadrant forks at one time which was super cool. Picture 
>>> attached (file might be too big.
>>> Best,
>>> Robert Blunt
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:27 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>>
>>>> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  
>>>> Legolas fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>>>>
>>>> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
>>>> tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>>>>
>>>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm 
>>>> bottom bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R 
>>>> Der, Down tube shifters.  KMC chain
>>>>
>>>> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing.  
>>>> Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
>>>> (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle
>>>>
>>>> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene 
>>>> Herse pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>>>>
>>>> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bob Warner]

Looks amazing!!  Looking forward to the final version!What’s the brazon for under the fork crown?Love the brazed-on rear cable adjuster. Very cool add-on!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 15, 2024, at 4:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I've got a decent start at it now:  

Untitled | Hillbubba | FlickrBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:Very slick frame. When do you plan to build it up?On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no commentary (yet):https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Carradice Audax lightweight bag and Expedition rack with QR (NOS)

[bob saunders]

UK made Carradice Audax lightweight bag (NOS/black) and Expedition support 
with QR support (NOS)...$170 shipped for all plus fees...thanks...$155 
picked up in Pittsburgh. I can send photos if you reach out with an email, 
but the links are a good resource. As a clarification, this includes the 
back, rack and quick release attachment...thanks.

https://carradice.co.uk/collections/bag-supports/products/bagman-quick-release-saddlebag-supports

https://www.condorcycles.com/products/carradice-lightweight-audax-saddlebag?variant=40096736411798

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[RBW] ISO: Trail Bike

[Bob B]

Asking for my little brother who lives in Flagstaff AZ and wants his first 
“good bike” to go trail riding and bikepacking with his friends. He has a 
pretty good budget but cant go over $1400.


It might not be a Riv. I persuaded one brother to get on a Riv (a Sam). but 
this brother needs something different at the moment.I was thinking a used 
Surly, Sklar (maybe long shot), Crust. Anyone selling or know someone 
selling? Any general recommendations about makes or where to look? Not sure 
what other online communities are out there where B//S/T are done on a 
trust level like this great one and BOB. 

Thanks in advance.

Bob B.
Maplewood, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Bikeshop A-Hole Video

[Bob]

Fairly sure he's in Lake Mills, WI: https://gibsbikes.com/

His All-Rounder can also be seen here, 
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUd84lVNlD-, and elsewhere on his Instagram 
account: @bikefarmer

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On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 3:49:19 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Steve, your question about his location. It appears to be Wisconsin. Note 
> the BKEFRMR license plate at 2:26 in the video.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 5:12:13 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing Doug. It was refreshing to hear a shop owner critique 
>> high end race bikes. Any idea where the guy's shop is located?  His 
>> personal All Rounder looked pretty sharp.
>>
>> Steve in Asheville
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 8:14:34 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> It's a fun video despite the title and if you watch the whole thing 
>>> you'll even see a Rivendell All Rounder for a few seconds. I thought you 
>>> all might enjoy this on the heels of Bike Snob's Outside article. It's in 
>>> the same vein. Enjoy. Video 
>>> <https://youtu.be/0xN9Hg69Kxw?si=U8cZsdfHtNIjgnFt>
>>
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Re: [RBW] FFS: MUSA pants large

[Bob Warner]

Hi EricIf this are still available I’ll be happy take them!!BobSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 29, 2024, at 10:51 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:Free for shipping, these MUSA pants with worn out elastic. Size large, they seem like the newer shorter/baggier fit, not ideal for 32/34 me. I bought these off eBay, but the seller refunded me my money and told me to keep the pants when I pointed out the elastic was completely worn out—no stretch at all. I tried using a boot lace for the waistband. That sorta worked, but it’s not ideal.Anyway, since they were free to me, I’m passing them on. EricPlain City OH



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[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I'm also in NJ. I might be up for joining you, depending on the location 
(and the weather!).

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:

> long time pedaler, first time owner -- would love to meet for a ride! 
>
> a ride out to the beach with a stop at any of the aforementioned spots is 
> always fun. I personally like hitting up spumoni gardens on the way back. 
>
> grand army plaza @ prospect park is a good meet up spot for a ride like 
> that
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
>> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Bob Warner]

I often chuckle when people comment on my Rodeo and Hillborne and make reference of asking how old my bikes are. They instinctively think that they are vintage old bikes, and are surprised when I let them know, they’re relatively new!Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2023, at 1:55 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:Indeed. Rode along with the SLO bike club one day on my Roadeo (white with blue head tube) with my Sunday riding buddy. A few folks were asking about it, one rider even took some photos. Other comments from strangers have been, "its vintage, how old is it?" or "you have a triple chainring, haven't seen that in a long time." Its nothing special, but it does get attention fur sure. Mike SLO CA On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:36:06 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:Thanks rich...can't bring myself to sell them yet even though I haven't been riding them as muchOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!Best,Rich in ATLOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:I always admired that bike, jock these 2 always get complimentsOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get tagged for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are pretty much dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 'ooo, nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. JockOn Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but for whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in real life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When riding The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed by the number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my bike and either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed the relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano Narrows Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your friends."Andy CheathamPittsburghOn Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkAFor 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting the trail for exercise.Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It surprises me.A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with smiles.Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the compliments you get.



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Re: [RBW] Craigslist 54cm Hunqapillar, $2250, Sunnyvale CA

[Bob]

The RBW geometry charts ca. 2012 and 2016 list a 51 cm Hunq.

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On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:28:29 AM UTC-6 rockthr...@gmail.com wrote:

> So, looking at a Hunqspec sheet and I don’t see a 51 listed. 
>
> Dylan- when you discussed geometry, how did you land on “51”?
>
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> Shoot.  A 54 and I would have driven to Sunnyvale tonight to buy that. 
>>  This was the bike I wanted before I got my first Riv.  
>>
>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it's actually a 51...i emailed with the seller
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:16:52 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dang…
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 2:21 PM John P. in SF  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not mine...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/sunnyvale-rivendell-hunqapillar/7671471793.html
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[RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Bob]

Should have added: the chopper/garbage-hauler mittens worked very well on 
bikes with downtube shifters and decently well on a fatbike with trigger 
shifters. I can imagine having difficulty with brifters.

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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 3:27:57 PM UTC-6 Bob wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I too have tried the lobster-claw gloves and found them disappointing. 
> Sure, there was some protection across the back from wind, but I could feel 
> cold brake levers through the palm side. I put up with it for a few years, 
> then used Bar Mitts, which were warm enough for me but unwieldy, especially 
> on drop bars. I finally settled on these: 
> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/garbagechopper-mitt
>
> They are much warmer than one might think. A wool liner glove would make 
> them even warmer. Not that my fingers still don't get cold in them below, 
> say, 15°F, but they are roomy and allow for warming movement. Also, the 
> elastic wrist band tucks nicely into jacket sleeves and is long enough not 
> to slide out easily.
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> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:15:59 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in 
>> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers 
>> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster 
>> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. 
>>
>> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled 
>> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward 
>> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake 
>> levers.
>>
>> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate 
>> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2 
>> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in 
>> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment 
>> sacrifices warmth.
>>
>> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives 
>> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or 
>> mittens that fit the bill?
>>
>> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can 
>> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this 
>> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>>
>> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Bob]

Patrick,

I too have tried the lobster-claw gloves and found them disappointing. 
Sure, there was some protection across the back from wind, but I could feel 
cold brake levers through the palm side. I put up with it for a few years, 
then used Bar Mitts, which were warm enough for me but unwieldy, especially 
on drop bars. I finally settled on these: 
http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/garbagechopper-mitt

They are much warmer than one might think. A wool liner glove would make 
them even warmer. Not that my fingers still don't get cold in them below, 
say, 15°F, but they are roomy and allow for warming movement. Also, the 
elastic wrist band tucks nicely into jacket sleeves and is long enough not 
to slide out easily.

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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:15:59 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in 
> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers 
> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster 
> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. 
>
> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled 
> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward 
> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake 
> levers.
>
> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate 
> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2 
> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in 
> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment 
> sacrifices warmth.
>
> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives 
> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or 
> mittens that fit the bill?
>
> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can 
> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this 
> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] WTB IRD Sub-C front derailleur

[billy bob]

hey there. looking for this front derailleur. anyone have one collecting 
dust? I'll buy it

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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Bill,

Thank you for this. I recall reading the very thing some years ago, but 
have been unable to find it again; hence my post here.

I have the RH UD-1 on one bike, and am impressed with it, so the UD-2 may 
be the way I go.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> You are getting good advice on workarounds for this combination.  I think 
> you understand it, but I think for the benefit of others, it's worth 
> stating that the Nitto M12 + Paul Cantilever brakes is not an ideal 
> combination.  The Nitto M12 was made to work with cantilever brakes that do 
> not extend past the end of the cantilever posts.  Did Compe DC980, recently 
> sold by Rivendell are one of those models.  Paul cantilever brakes can work 
> awesome with a small front rack, but does best with rack models that have 
> adjustable struts.  The Rene Herse UD-2 is the best of those (and is 
> manufactured by Nitto).  
>
> Folks can make that combo work, but it takes work to get good results. 
>  For those who are not yet stuck with that combination, there are other 
> combos that work together more effortlessly.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:52:21 AM UTC-7 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
>> that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
>> Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
>> should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)
>>
>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that 
>> the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from 
>> the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
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>>
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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Essentially the procedure, whether using chainring bolts or non-threaded 
spacers, is just repace Paul's supplied M6 bolt with a bolt long enough to 
clear whatever I'm using for spacers plus the rack stay itself. Seems 
simple enough. Thank you.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:27:06 PM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:

> You could also use any extra chainring bolts that you might have laying 
> around instead of buying spacers.  I have shimano v-brakes and a VO rack, 
> but your setup should be similar.  Longer allen bolts definitely needed, 
> not sure how long mine are tho.  Looks like I used a washer at head of bolt 
> too.
> [image: IMG_0480.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:09:26 AM UTC-7 S. Greco wrote:
>
>> Yes, a longer M6 is needed to make up whatever additional length is added 
>> with the spacer.
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:37:29 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Steven. So I'd just need a longer M6 screw along with these 
>>> spacers? The Touring Cantis have a 20 mm screw, so I'd need something like 
>>> an M6x40?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:00:35 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recommend using spacers instead of the rack adapters.  The rack 
>>>> adapters are heavy, and they make it annoying to adjust the brakes. I used 
>>>> 'Aluminum Unthreaded Spacers" from McMaster-Carr do to this with a nitto 
>>>> rack/Paul anti setup and it made it much easier to work on the brakes.
>>>>
>>>> You'll be able to fit a rack with adjustable stays (like Nitto M-18, 
>>>> F-27 or Rene Herse UD-2, etc) better to the bike.
>>>>
>>>> [image: mcmaster.png]
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front 
>>>>> rack that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either 
>>>>> Touring Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to 
>>>>> know but should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack 
>>>>> Adapters.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere 
>>>>> that the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward 
>>>>> from the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Thanks, Steven. So I'd just need a longer M6 screw along with these 
spacers? The Touring Cantis have a 20 mm screw, so I'd need something like 
an M6x40?

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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:00:35 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:

> I recommend using spacers instead of the rack adapters.  The rack adapters 
> are heavy, and they make it annoying to adjust the brakes. I used 'Aluminum 
> Unthreaded Spacers" from McMaster-Carr do to this with a nitto rack/Paul 
> anti setup and it made it much easier to work on the brakes.
>
> You'll be able to fit a rack with adjustable stays (like Nitto M-18, F-27 
> or Rene Herse UD-2, etc) better to the bike.
>
> [image: mcmaster.png]
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
>> that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
>> Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
>> should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)
>>
>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that 
>> the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from 
>> the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Measurement sought: headtube length of MUSA 56 cm Atlantis

[Bob]

Thank you, Nick. Can't imagine it changed that much with the move to 
Waterford.

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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:48:48 PM UTC-6 oldandin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Toyo I think, Not waterford... But this is a 26" model
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023, Bob  wrote:
>
>> If you have a MUSA 56 cm Atlantis (i.e., Waterford-built, 26" wheels) and 
>> a couple minutes to spare, would you please measure the length of the 
>> headtube and either post it here or send it to me privately?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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[RBW] Measurement sought: headtube length of MUSA 56 cm Atlantis

[Bob]

If you have a MUSA 56 cm Atlantis (i.e., Waterford-built, 26" wheels) and a 
couple minutes to spare, would you please measure the length of the 
headtube and either post it here or send it to me privately?

Thank you.

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[RBW] Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)

I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that the 
process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from the 
bosses than other cantilever brakes.

Thank you.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Bob]

Ted (Wood, rather than Durant, but he can read this too!),

I have—well, had, after today—the RH Humptulips, with the endurance casing, 
on another bike. Swapped tires today, and I can report that Humptulips *with 
endurance casing* measure 54 mm on Cliffhanger rims. RH says that their 
tires with extra-light casings are a millimeter or two wider than those 
with standard casing on the same rim. My guess is that what one gains in 
protection from the stiffer casing one loses in width, but not much.

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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 11:43:22 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> So, I’m just going to say it. This is the reason I ditched 26” for mixed 
> surface riding. I was having trouble finding tires that I liked (but he SK+ 
> wasn’t available in 26” at the time). They were all really geared towards 
> knobby MTB applications and not hard pack / pavement mixed riding.
>
> That said, Vittoria Mezcals are available in 26x2.1, ETRTO 52-559 (52mm). 
> They might work for you. I ran them for a while on my Gus Boots when I 
> first built it and they were quite nice. I was running 29x2.6” which was 
> overkill for my use case, but they were very comfortable. They make a bit 
> more road noise than the SKs you have now but they still roll well on 
> pavement.
>
> The Humptulips are a solid choice as well. A friend of mine runs a similar 
> RH tire in their 27.5 variety (the name escapes me) and he loves them.
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:12 PM Bob  wrote:
>
>> Ted,
>>
>> Yes, I measure the angles at 73° for both seat and head tubes. Mind you, 
>> this is with my phone, but the feel of the riding position is akin to 
>> another bike that I know to be 73°/73°.
>>
>> This bike is closer to the AR specified in the RBW 1996 catalog (pp. 
>> 11–12) than to the AR in the first-generation geometry chart given in 
>> catalog no. 5 (summer 1999). But all photos of ARs I've seen have have 
>> double eyelets on the fork dropouts; mine has only fender eyelets on the 
>> back of the fork dropouts.
>>
>> --
>> Bob 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:40:50 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
>>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
>>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
>>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
>>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>>>
>>> Super short fork rake suggests Riv ATB, and it looks like the BB drop is 
>>> pretty shallow, too. But not as much top tube angle as I'd expect for an 
>>> ATB.  Head lugs match what were on my Riv ATB, built at Waterford around 
>>> '96 or so. Also, my ATB had vertical dropouts, where this one has short 
>>> horizontals.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Bob]

Ted,

Yes, I measure the angles at 73° for both seat and head tubes. Mind you, 
this is with my phone, but the feel of the riding position is akin to 
another bike that I know to be 73°/73°.

This bike is closer to the AR specified in the RBW 1996 catalog (pp. 11–12) 
than to the AR in the first-generation geometry chart given in catalog no. 
5 (summer 1999). But all photos of ARs I've seen have have double eyelets 
on the fork dropouts; mine has only fender eyelets on the back of the fork 
dropouts.

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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:40:50 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>
> Super short fork rake suggests Riv ATB, and it looks like the BB drop is 
> pretty shallow, too. But not as much top tube angle as I'd expect for an 
> ATB.  Head lugs match what were on my Riv ATB, built at Waterford around 
> '96 or so. Also, my ATB had vertical dropouts, where this one has short 
> horizontals.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA 
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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Bob]

Johnny: I, too, love red Rivendells, but this one is orange. The light did 
not cooperate today, I guess.

Ryan: what I take to be a serial number is partially obscured by the cable 
guide and by some touch-up paint. The visible portion appears to read 
"9600," though the 9 and the terminal 0 may be different characters.

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:27:10 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Congrats!! I love red Rivendells.
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:17:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> It is an AR and I think you nailed it when you said it's a custom in the 
>> style of an AR. What's stamped on the bottom bracket?
>>
>> If you search the list you can find tips for decoding year and month it 
>> was built, but it should have builders initials (Match or JS-Joe Starck or 
>> CG Curt Goodrich or others)
>>
>> Lovely bike!
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a 
>>>> looker. 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last 
>>>>> night.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
>>>>> group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the 
>>>>> thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle 
>>>>> Center on Balboa.
>>>>>
>>>>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
>>>>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
>>>>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
>>>>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
>>>>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've 
>>>>> seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a 
>>>>> photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me 
>>>>> more?
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 
>>>>> 56 mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this 
>>>>> good but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try 
>>>>> some RH Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm 
>>>>> narrower, 
>>>>> so I expect some expansion.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob
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[RBW] Bay-Area bike shipping advice

[Bob]

Can anyone here recommend a Bay-Area, preferably San Francisco, bike shop 
who will reliably do a conscientious and careful packing job to ship a 
complete bike via Bike Flights?

I'm exploring a private purchase of a bike that is in SF and needs to get 
to Boulder, Colorado, and I've read the stories here of both excellent and 
awful stories about this sort of experience.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

48s are absolutely fine on Pacenti Brevets.

https://www.renehersecycles.com/gravel-myths-3-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/

https://www.renehersecycles.com/myth-18-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/

Bob E
Cranford, NJ
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 2:59:59 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The internal width is 19mm. A 48 might benefit from a slightly wider 
> internal width but it should be just fine with the 19. I am not an expert 
> in such things though.
>
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Can anyone here confirm that she can run 48s tubed on those Pacenti 
>> Brevet rims? I checked their site and got nowhere, it shows a graph with 42 
>> yes, 50 no. What about 48??
>>
>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> OH! I see. I don't know enough about tubeless to understand the fine 
>>> details of size vs psi, etc. I have those rims on my ProtoGallop with 42's 
>>> but I have tubes because it suits my brain better.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:39:59 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They are, and in the myriad responses I’ve gotten (many private and 
>>>> some on Instagram) it has been explained to me that if I want to run 48s I 
>>>> have two options: 1. Run tubeless but never more than 30 psi. Or, use 
>>>> tubes. Or thirdly, but new wheels.
>>>>
>>>> Did I misunderstand? 
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 11, 2023, at 6:22 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was under the understanding that the current Pacenti Brevet rims are 
>>>> tubeless ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://pacenticycledesign.com/collections/aluminium-rims-gravel-cross/products/brevet-rim-650b-1
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 12:38:32 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What Gil says resonates with me. I love how you love a Clem! All those 
>>>>> attributes truly do make the Clem a gem.  I have favored those Platys as 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> late, but I am going back to Clem-loving again soon. We are traveling 
>>>>> right 
>>>>> now, but when I get back I’m heading to the bike shop to see about 
>>>>> putting 
>>>>> 48s on my Clem if the Pacenti Brevet rims will take them. Sounds like if 
>>>>> they aren’t tubeless, it’s ok. We’ll see.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 3:15 PM, Gill  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that the OP’s query has already been thoroughly dealt with 
>>>>> won’t dissuade me from chiming in on a subject near and dear (besides, if 
>>>>> posters were not able to beat dead horses this forum would have dissolved 
>>>>> years ago). I own a Clem and ride off road, gravel/trail riding is the 
>>>>> fourth most favorite thing I do in life. I highly encourage others to do 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> on a Clem. Opinion, highly subjective, yes, but I do have a kind of data 
>>>>> point. Usually I’m solo but last summer I joined a group ride (my 
>>>>> daughter 
>>>>> said I needed to make new friends). This served as a good barometer of 
>>>>> how 
>>>>> Clem compared with other “gravel” bikes. My inaugural ride was 19 miles 
>>>>> moving at a good clip, mostly off-road at the end of which another rider 
>>>>> smiled and said “You just ride that thing don’t you“. I translated that 
>>>>> to, 
>>>>> “turns out that’s a nice bicycle and my unspoken questioning of its 
>>>>> appropriateness for this ride was unfounded, my apologies“. Worth noting, 
>>>>> unlike Kai’s tough looking Clem mine is a Riv blue step thru and gets no 
>>>>> respect. The qualities that make the Clem a good gravel bike are those 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> make it a good bike period: bulletproof frame, long wheel base, stable 
>>>>> handling, gearing that gets you over/through anything you have any 
>>>>> business 
>>>>> being on, fits most any tire and uber comfortable. I might add that part 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> that comfort comes from the bosco bars – Clems suspension system –a swept 
>>>>> back pliant trail chatter sponge that doesn’t compromise control. So 
>>>>> resist 
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Long ride on a Sam Hillborne

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

The Majestic ---> Hillborne. Love it!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:47:01 PM UTC-5 Tom Horton wrote:

> Every yr around my birthday i ride my age  78 coming up
> Someday i will lose
> Or get an ebike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2023, at 1:39 PM, lconley  wrote:
>
> What stem are you using? I like that a lot better than the open face 
> welded steel stems that Riv carries.
>
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 12:59:30 PM UTC-5 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
> Great ride Paul.  If I may inquire, what handlebars are you using?  They 
> appear to have more flare than my Albatross.  If I make a switch to 
> thumbies, your set up appears ideal - love the Ergons.
>
> I live in "The Town of Murals".  They make for wonderful photo backdrops, 
> and only 3 miles away!  But I like your thinking.  The photo is far better 
> to have been earned.
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 8:14:35 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
> Very cool ride Paul. So often destinations make together a chain of miles 
> you never thought you'd compile or set out on purpose to ride. Deb of Rivet 
> Cycleworks is clearly a mural art fan and often shows them as points along 
> her rides documented on her IG feed. 
>
> That fifth picture appears to be by Dan Kitchener, the UK rattle can 
> artist/muralist. He did his first US mural 
> <https://nextpittsburgh.com/city-design/artist-dan-kitchener/> a couple 
> miles from me on the side of a bar that had recently renovated and had an 
> big blank side facing the side street intersection. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:19:35 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At least it was a long ride for me.
>
> This was last Monday, February 27.
>
>
> I had planned on 40 miles for this ride.
>
> It was one of those days that weather, the bike, energy levels, motivation 
> and I guess the stars alignments all synched up.
>
> My missus called a few hours into it and wanted to meet on the trail and 
> ride some too.
>
> I already had 30 miles when I meet her and we did 21 together so I had 51 
> on arrival back home
> which would have been a good day for me as 40 or so is usually one of my 
> long rides.
>
> But I decided to go for more on my own so I had a snack and hopped back on 
> the Sam.
>
> When I hit 60 miles and didn't feel like stopping.
>
> Why not try for 70 I thought?
>
> At 70 I thought I'll do 3 more to commemorate an upcoming advancing 
> further into geezer hood birthday.
>
> So it was a long but satisfying unplanned 73 mile ride.
>
> On the route I took I rode south from the northern portion of Dallas 
> county to downtown Dallas, through downtown to Deep Ellum ( that's a funky 
> and artsy area east of downtown).
> That area has lots of wall murals.
>
> Then I picked up the Santa Fe trail that leads to White Rock Lake.
>
> I rode the While Rock Lake trails for a while, met up with my Missus and 
> repeated some more of the White Rock trails.
>
> After taking off again from home I rode some of the northern trails and 
> then began to zig zag through familiar neighborhoods to rack up extra miles.
>
> My  Sam was very comfortable on the entire ride.
>
> It sports 700 x 43 Gravel King SS+ tires that help a lot on the bumpy 
> streets of the area.
>
> I was tired at the end and also the next day but the next day my missus 
> wanted to ride to the library in 85 degree temps so we got in 10 more 
> miles. 
> I think that 10 miles in the heat helped the soreness.
>
> Some might think upright bars would not work for that sort of distance but 
> they worked fine for me.
>
> At any rate at my age I felt it was a bit of an epic ride.
>
> The attached photos were taken at stops along the way.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO/WTB tall 120mm quill stem 25.4 with removeable faceplate

[Bob Warner]

Thanks…trying to avoid the quill adapter, I find they often don’t provide much rise Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 19, 2023, at 10:07 AM, jad...@gmail.com  wrote:if you can stomach a quill adaptor here is one.  https://shop.circles-jp.com/en/products/simworks-tomboy-new-faceOn Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:17:03 AM UTC-7 BobW wrote:Been scouring the forums & websites for something like the Rive Faceplater for 25.4 bar with a 120mm reach, and tall.  Very  to used in decent shape.Anyone have one hey want to be rid of? or know of where one can be obtained??thanks!!Bob



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[RBW] Re: REVISED WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or Hunqapillar 56 (650B)

[Bob]

Doug,

I have indeed considered a 56 Atlantis, Toyo or Waterford. They're too 
short for me. My PBH is 87.

The longer story behind my quest is that back in 2009 my plans to order an 
Atlantis had to be scuttled. In 2010, I bought a 56 cm LHT with 26" wheels. 
The smaller diameter, 2"+ tires were a revelation and I still ride the 
bike, but with more than enough seatpost and an uncut steerer stacked with 
spacers. It's weird-looking but does the job. I should have inquired about 
a custom Riv—essentially a 58 Atlantis but with 26" or 650B wheels—when 
such things might have been possible.

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On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:33:06 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> Bob:
>
> If you prefer smaller wheels, have you considered a 56cm Toyo Atlantis? 
> They used 26" wheels.  I'm 5'10" & have a 58cm. I've also comfortably 
> ridden a 56. According to Rivendell's sizing chart, at my height & PBH 
> (84-85), I'm right on the cusp for either size. You can always make a bike 
> slightly bigger with stems & seat posts if it feels slightly small.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 8:42:28 AM UTC-8 rcook...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been reminded recently of my preference for smaller wheels in many 
>> situations, so I'm revising my query of a dozen days ago.
>>
>> Still curious to know if anyone here has a 59 cm 650B Atlantis 
>> (Waterford-built, as in 2016 RBW geometry charts). As an alternative, I'd 
>> also be interested in a 56 cm 650B Hunqapillar of similar vintage.
>>
>> If you have one of these that you'd like to move, please contact me 
>> off-list. Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:06:03 PM UTC-7 Bob wrote:
>>
>>> Happy Friday the 13th.
>>>
>>> You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
>>> might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
>>> fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
>>> geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
>>> chassis would work too.
>>>
>>> If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
>>> think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
>>> 58 (700C) Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Answers to some anticipated questions:
>>>
>>>- Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function 
>>>similarly. I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances 
>>>(mostly against myself).
>>>- No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended 
>>>uses I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
>>>downtube-shifter bosses.
>>>- No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've 
>>>seen, the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the 
>>>downtube nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: REVISED WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or Hunqapillar 56 (650B)

[Bob]

I have been reminded recently of my preference for smaller wheels in many 
situations, so I'm revising my query of a dozen days ago.

Still curious to know if anyone here has a 59 cm 650B Atlantis 
(Waterford-built, as in 2016 RBW geometry charts). As an alternative, I'd 
also be interested in a 56 cm 650B Hunqapillar of similar vintage.

If you have one of these that you'd like to move, please contact me 
off-list. Thank you.

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On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:06:03 PM UTC-7 Bob wrote:

> Happy Friday the 13th.
>
> You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
> might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
> fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?
>
> I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
> geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
> chassis would work too.
>
> If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
> think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
> 58 (700C) Atlantis.
>
> Answers to some anticipated questions:
>
>- Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function 
>similarly. I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances 
>(mostly against myself).
>- No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended 
>uses I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
>downtube-shifter bosses.
>- No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've 
>seen, the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the 
>downtube nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
>
> Thank you.
>
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[RBW] Re: Paul Touring vs. Neo-retro question

[Bob]

I was familiar with the Sheldon page, but not the Zinn piece. Nice to have 
an explanation for the old Neo-Retro warning. Thanks for the reference.

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On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 12:40:30 PM UTC-7 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bob,
>
> My understanding is that this is one of the cases where the physics of 
> brake design and how they interact with the setup as related to yoke angle 
> in this case, creates confusion because it is not just the brake design 
> that has to be considered, but also the yoke angle's part in overall 
> mechanical advantage.  Each brake type allows for very different yoke 
> angles and that is why overall a touring brake has the capability to be 
> setup with more power, if done correctly and with that purpose in mind.
>
> I think this article is a good one on the topic as it is actually on canti 
> geometry:
>
>
> https://www.velonews.com/gear/technical-faq-with-lennard-zinn-a-detailed-look-at-brake-shudder/
>
> And here is the associated Sheldon page:
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html
>
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 10:38:13 AM UTC-6 rcook...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I've used the Neo-Retro as a front brake for about ten years and have 
>> always had great luck with it. It looks great and, at the time, I was under 
>> the impression that the Neo-Retro was the more powerful brake—than the 
>> Touring Canti, that is. Paul's web page for the Neo-Retro used to warn that 
>> it's a powerful enough brake that one should make sure the frame could take 
>> the braking force, and maybe use the Touring Canti instead if one wasn't 
>> sure. I can no longer find that warning on the website. In any case, the 
>> Neo-Retro is powerful enough for me and relatively easy to adjust, and it's 
>> my first choice for a rim brake. (For some reason, likely user 
>> error/dimwittedness, I've never had luck with linear-pull brakes, but then 
>> I've never tried the Motolite.)
>>
>> I chose the Touring Canti for the rear to maximize heel and pannier 
>> clearance. The combination works well for me, even with a full touring load 
>> going downhill.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:12:41 PM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> If you had to choose between the Paul Touring Canti or the Neo-Retro for 
>>> a front brake, which would you pick and why? 
>>>
>>> Curious about how much functional difference exists between the 2 models.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Paul Touring vs. Neo-retro question

[Bob]

Scott,

I've used the Neo-Retro as a front brake for about ten years and have 
always had great luck with it. It looks great and, at the time, I was under 
the impression that the Neo-Retro was the more powerful brake—than the 
Touring Canti, that is. Paul's web page for the Neo-Retro used to warn that 
it's a powerful enough brake that one should make sure the frame could take 
the braking force, and maybe use the Touring Canti instead if one wasn't 
sure. I can no longer find that warning on the website. In any case, the 
Neo-Retro is powerful enough for me and relatively easy to adjust, and it's 
my first choice for a rim brake. (For some reason, likely user 
error/dimwittedness, I've never had luck with linear-pull brakes, but then 
I've never tried the Motolite.)

I chose the Touring Canti for the rear to maximize heel and pannier 
clearance. The combination works well for me, even with a full touring load 
going downhill.

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On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:12:41 PM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> If you had to choose between the Paul Touring Canti or the Neo-Retro for a 
> front brake, which would you pick and why? 
>
> Curious about how much functional difference exists between the 2 models.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or 58 (700C)

[Bob]

Thanks, Edwin. I shall do so.

To all, a number of list members have sent me a private message notifying 
me of a red Toyo 58 Atlantis for sale in the Bay Area. I was pleased to see 
that at least some Toyo frames included the braze-ons that I associate with 
later Waterford frames. Thank you, again, for the alert. I'm going to hold 
on, for the time being, to the dream of a 59/650B.

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On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Good luck in your search. I have made the same search for many of the same 
> reasons in a slightly larger size. I had not heard of the Crust Nor'easter. 
> That checks a lot of the boxes except for color (esp in Canti). I have a 
> hard time justifying a bike that is not very different from my Joe Appa, 
> but that vintage of Atlantis with one too tube and more traditional length 
> chain stays just looks so right to me.
>
> Keep us updated as to what you find!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:06:03 PM UTC-6 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Happy Friday the 13th.
>>
>> You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
>> might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
>> fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?
>>
>> I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
>> geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
>> chassis would work too.
>>
>> If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
>> think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
>> 58 (700C) Atlantis.
>>
>> Answers to some anticipated questions:
>>
>>- Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function 
>>similarly. I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances 
>>(mostly against myself).
>>- No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended 
>>uses I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
>>downtube-shifter bosses.
>>- No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've 
>>seen, the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the 
>>downtube nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or 58 (700C)

[Bob]

Happy Friday the 13th.

You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?

I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
chassis would work too.

If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
58 (700C) Atlantis.

Answers to some anticipated questions:

   - Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function similarly. 
   I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances (mostly against 
   myself).
   - No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended uses 
   I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
   downtube-shifter bosses.
   - No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've seen, 
   the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the downtube 
   nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
   
Thank you.

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Re: [RBW] Getting my groove back on with the Platypus - dealing with near misses

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Some great advice here -- especially to stay far enough to the left to 
discourage unsafe passing, and to take the lane when approaching an 
intersection. When I do need to take the lane, I also try to keep up with 
the vehicle speeds as best I can.

When approaching an intersection, I make sure to never, ever ride alongside 
a vehicle (that might turn into me with no warning). I always stay behind 
that car and still make sure I'm visible to the car behind.

Begin crossing an intersection right after the cross traffic stops and just 
before your light turns green. Giving yourself a head start before all the 
chaos of turning traffic increases your visibility and also helps avoid the 
left crosses and right hooks. This works like a Leading Pedestrian Interval 
traffic signal -- but just be sure to watch out for red light runners on 
the street perpendicular to you (that practice unfortunately seems to have 
been normalized).

Also, ride assertively and be communicative with arm gestures. 

I'm also in New Jersey, but in a fairly dense area where there are so many 
side streets and cut-throughs that I can avoid busy and dangerous roads. 
(I'm also thankful that my gym is a only mile away.)

Bob E
Cranford, New Jersey
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 4:52:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I was just having this conversation last night (with an Platypus rider 
> btw), I mentioned that I've cut a couple rides short recently cuz drivers 
> are so stressed, distracted and often drunk during the holidays. Hopefully 
> your area will calm down soon after New Year's. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:58:41 AM UTC-8 Jay LePree wrote:
>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> All good advice.  I am lacking in the "take the lane" approach.  Had I 
>> done that, the "right hook" in front of me would not have happened.  I am, 
>> admittedly timid, and have trouble with this approach, though I know it is 
>> legal.  in NJ, a cyclist should remain to the right as safety allows, and 
>> certainly at parking lot and road intersections, it makes good sense to 
>> take the lane.  I am always afraid of the errant driver that will ride up 
>> my back.  (I do use a mirror, so it will allow me to see them...and see 
>> them riding up my back :) ). 
>>
>> In this case, traffic was fairly slow, so taking the lane would make 
>> perfect sense. 
>>
>> One riding skill I use regularly when approaching a light at an 
>> intersection is that I remain to the right but take the spot of the car in 
>> front of me;  I don't ride up to the front car.  It saves me the trouble of 
>> having cars that I passed then need to pass me again. Additionally, it 
>> prevents the "right hook". 
>>
>> I do use lights and reflectors.  I wear reflective ankle straps for the 
>> motion (the ones you recommended Patrick..silver and about 2 inches wide), 
>> and placed reflective stips on my crank arms for added motion.  I use two 
>> bright tail lights and have reflective tape on my rear rack. I have a 
>> Schmidt Edelux II headlight and affixe the another ankle band to my basket 
>> so I have a 5 inch x 2 inch band of reflection on the front.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Happy New Year
>> The Platypus rides again to the gym.
>>
>> Jay LePree
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 3:42:22 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Jay: I'm sorry to hear about your near misses. I've had my share and 
>>> they leave a "sour taste in your mouth" -- a kind of lingering depressed or 
>>> dark feeling that is -- in my case at least -- even stronger than the 
>>> inevitable lingering residual fear. 
>>>
>>> Were these occasions at night? I try to err on the egregious, excessive 
>>> side of night-time illumination and use copious reflective gear, front and 
>>> rear, as well as top-quality front and rear lights, always duplicate 
>>> systems; thus 2 rear red lights and a second battery headlight in addition 
>>> to the dyno light that I turn on at least at busy intersections. IME, cars 
>>> treat you with more respect at night if so illuminated than during the day.
>>>
>>> Funny, though: during 56 years and more of riding in traffic -- I 
>>> started shorlty after my 11th birthday in Indian urban traffic after my 
>>> father bought me my first "adult" bike, a 28" wheel, rod-braked roadster -- 
>>> I learned that riding somewhat "aggressively" incurred fewer near misses 
>>> than riding timidly. 
>>>
>>> Examples: in the bike lane adjacent to busy auto lanes, ride mid-lane 
>>> a

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Bob]

Thank you, Robert. 185 mm is good, considering the tire clearance of the 
Prospector.

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On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 11:21:02 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I just measured my Prospector with Rohloff and measured a Q of 185 mm. I 
> could likely shave a few mm off with with a different crank.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Bob  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Patrick,
>
> I do not, sorry to say. Would like to have those data myself. Anyone here 
> have a Prospector, a caliper, and a few minutes to take measurements?
>
> --
> Bob
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Bob: Do you know how low a Q you can get on the Prospector, Scapegoat, 
>> Chimera and Bull Thistle, particularly with a single speed drivetrain (if 
>> any accept a ss drivetrain)? I've stayed away from Pugsleys etc because of 
>> the Q but if one can be built as a ss with a Q of no more than 160 I'd be 
>> very interested for our local sandy trails. As it is, I've been thinking of 
>> a 29er+ replacement for my Monocog 29er on which the rear 71 mm WTB ranger 
>> rubs the stays in corners but fat would be even better if the Q could be 
>> sorted. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 6:12 PM Bob  wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> The final iteration of Surly's Pugsley had 460 mm chainstays and 
>>> accepted 4.8 in. tires "with drivetrain restrictions." It also had a 72° 
>>> seat tube angle, which would feel a little more relaxed and Rivish than the 
>>> steeper angles on MTBs these days.
>>>
>>> The Tumbleweed Prospector and the Crust Scapegoat max out at 4.0 in. 
>>> tires, I think, but have 73 mm bottom brackets for a more comfortable Q 
>>> factor. (I ride a Pugsley, and have a limited tolerance for the 200 mm Q 
>>> factor.)
>>>
>>> If you go custom, Myth Cycles in Durango CO has the Chimera (
>>> https://mythcycles.com/bikes/chimera/). The listed geometry is shorter 
>>> in chainstay and wheelbase than you want, evidently the design allows a 
>>> narrower Q than usual for a fatbike while also accommodating 4.8 in. tires.
>>>
>>> That Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, though… wow. They present it as a 
>>> drop-bar-specific design, but the top tube and reach are long enough to 
>>> work with an upright bar, I think. Limited to 4.0 in. tires, but the bottom 
>>> bracket is 83 mm so the Q factor will be narrower than most fatbikes. The 
>>> angles (ST 71°, HT 69.5°) rather Riv-like, and the lugs—the LUGS!
>>>
>>> I'm curious to see how your quest plays out.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Bob]

Patrick,

I do not, sorry to say. Would like to have those data myself. Anyone here 
have a Prospector, a caliper, and a few minutes to take measurements?

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On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Bob: Do you know how low a Q you can get on the Prospector, Scapegoat, 
> Chimera and Bull Thistle, particularly with a single speed drivetrain (if 
> any accept a ss drivetrain)? I've stayed away from Pugsleys etc because of 
> the Q but if one can be built as a ss with a Q of no more than 160 I'd be 
> very interested for our local sandy trails. As it is, I've been thinking of 
> a 29er+ replacement for my Monocog 29er on which the rear 71 mm WTB ranger 
> rubs the stays in corners but fat would be even better if the Q could be 
> sorted. 
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 6:12 PM Bob  wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> The final iteration of Surly's Pugsley had 460 mm chainstays and accepted 
>> 4.8 in. tires "with drivetrain restrictions." It also had a 72° seat tube 
>> angle, which would feel a little more relaxed and Rivish than the steeper 
>> angles on MTBs these days.
>>
>> The Tumbleweed Prospector and the Crust Scapegoat max out at 4.0 in. 
>> tires, I think, but have 73 mm bottom brackets for a more comfortable Q 
>> factor. (I ride a Pugsley, and have a limited tolerance for the 200 mm Q 
>> factor.)
>>
>> If you go custom, Myth Cycles in Durango CO has the Chimera (
>> https://mythcycles.com/bikes/chimera/). The listed geometry is shorter 
>> in chainstay and wheelbase than you want, evidently the design allows a 
>> narrower Q than usual for a fatbike while also accommodating 4.8 in. tires.
>>
>> That Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, though… wow. They present it as a 
>> drop-bar-specific design, but the top tube and reach are long enough to 
>> work with an upright bar, I think. Limited to 4.0 in. tires, but the bottom 
>> bracket is 83 mm so the Q factor will be narrower than most fatbikes. The 
>> angles (ST 71°, HT 69.5°) rather Riv-like, and the lugs—the LUGS!
>>
>> I'm curious to see how your quest plays out.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Bob]

Joe,

The final iteration of Surly's Pugsley had 460 mm chainstays and accepted 
4.8 in. tires "with drivetrain restrictions." It also had a 72° seat tube 
angle, which would feel a little more relaxed and Rivish than the steeper 
angles on MTBs these days.

The Tumbleweed Prospector and the Crust Scapegoat max out at 4.0 in. tires, 
I think, but have 73 mm bottom brackets for a more comfortable Q factor. (I 
ride a Pugsley, and have a limited tolerance for the 200 mm Q factor.)

If you go custom, Myth Cycles in Durango CO has the Chimera 
(https://mythcycles.com/bikes/chimera/). The listed geometry is shorter in 
chainstay and wheelbase than you want, evidently the design allows a 
narrower Q than usual for a fatbike while also accommodating 4.8 in. tires.

That Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, though… wow. They present it as a 
drop-bar-specific design, but the top tube and reach are long enough to 
work with an upright bar, I think. Limited to 4.0 in. tires, but the bottom 
bracket is 83 mm so the Q factor will be narrower than most fatbikes. The 
angles (ST 71°, HT 69.5°) rather Riv-like, and the lugs—the LUGS!

I'm curious to see how your quest plays out.

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P.S. Maybe the most Rivesque fatbike would be an early Pugsley, when they 
still had cantilever studs and Large Marge rim-brake-compatible rims. (See 
Rivendell Reader 39 from 2007.)

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:21:16 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on 
> picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride 
> characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long 
> wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).
>
> The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 
> inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with 
> studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in 
> addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, 
> I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d 
> love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail 
> use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for 
> a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year 
> off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now. 
>
> How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state 
> got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long  chain 
> stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo 
> bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling 
> my two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the 
> crazy long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally 
> manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my 
> bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back 
> bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves 
> chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.
>
> For reference, scroll down here (
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,)
>  
> and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, 
> both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, 
> consider these two models (
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,).
>  
> The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its 
> sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still 
> long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It 
> achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way 
> out front.
>
> Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay 
> length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a 
> more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with 
> the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.
>
> Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would get 
> me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality? Other 
> fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors other than 
> geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are very few 
> chromoly fat bikes.
>
> (Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a bike-nerdy 
> discussion)
>
> - Joe
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What Berthoud Saddle is this??

[Bob Warner]

Here’s the side view it seems to have the same amount of rivets as the Aspin, but is only 150 mm wide.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:The Soulor and Galibier don't have the option for saddle bag hooks on the rear. Can you shoot a side-profile of the saddle so we can help? On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 1:37:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:Looks like a Galibier (ti version of Soulor), which is claimed 146mm wide.  https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/535-leather-saddle-galibier-black.htmlOn Friday, December 2, 2022 at 12:31:42 PM UTC-8 BobW wrote:I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has titanium rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but different rails.However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 150mm wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these saddles??



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Re: [RBW] Hillborne / Hilsen: touring capable?

[Bob Warner]

PaulI have the same vintage Hillborne as you.  What from rack do you use and does it align with the stock braze ons??Nice looking ride there too!BobSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2022, at 5:50 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:In my estimation, my 2015 Sam Hillborne is pretty nearly the perfect touring bike for overnighters or multi-day rail trail trips. I have a Hilsen which is a bit more lively and a really nice mixed-surface riding bike. (Yes, I am spoiled.)I realize this topic has likely come up before:Every once in a while, I wonder if the Hilsen would work for touring, but I tried a sport tourer for loaded trips once. It was too whippy, especially in the mountains. It's a rhetorical question for now, but at 76, I will eventually have to thin the herd. I'm happy with a dedicated bike for each purpose.My Hillborne on the Greenbrier River Trail, WVa. in Oct.https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/52435098025/in/album-72177720302972379/https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/52435097390/in/album-72177720302972379/The Hilsen:https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/51845027385/in/album-72177720296237851/Paul GermainMidlothian, VA



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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Pam,

Your summary of the things you do on the road, regarding placement and 
communication, is excellent! I try to do all those things. I like that 
humanizing look-back!

Regarding communication/signaling: if I'm in the lane and I need to be 
there to avoid a close pass when there's an oncoming car in the opposite 
lane, I'll stick my left arm out and at an angle, to emphasize the "hold on 
just a sec" to the driver behind me. When it's all clear, I'll then give 
them a "come on through" wave when I move over, followed by a "thank you" 
wave. All this just emphasizes that we aren't in the lane to be jerks, we 
just want to be safe.

I don't have too many bad encounters with motorists -- while I live in a 
dense area, there are many less busy adjacent streets, paths, and 
cut-throughs to use to get around without needing to go on busy roads. (And 
thankfully there are no "stroads" in my area.) My bad encounters usually 
happen when I'm too far to the side of the road and I get a close pass. 
When I catch up to (some of) them, I tell them it's a dangerous move and 
explain that New Jersey has a new four-foot passing law. The drivers I 
speak to are receptive to the message -- they're just oblivious that being 
passed closely is a totally different experience when one doesn't have two 
tons of steel surrounding them.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:04:59 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
> close for comfort.  I am not always looking in my rear glasses mounted 
> mirror.  Instinct sometimes move me too far right and that has sometimes 
> been a problem,  I only take the lane when on a small narrow lane or when I 
> need to turn left.  This year I have been buzzed too many times and I 
> always leave plenty of room for cars and trucks, trucks have been the worst 
> offenders this year.  A few years ago I was forced off of the road and 
> luckily it was a dirt shoulder and I did hit it hard and the car just sped 
> off.  
>
> This year the worst is trying to get on a road from a shopping center 
> driveway without lights.  Cars with nowhere to go seen to be oblivious to 
> give a bike the right of way, but some drivers are overly courteous, jut 
> make sure the guy coming the other way is also.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>> This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to 
>> say that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so 
>> that wasn't his first shot.
>>
>> I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I 
>> try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers 
>> as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a 
>> contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't 
>> think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a 
>> road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe 
>> fellow cyclists!
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this 
>>> month. It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking 
>>> back.  99% of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with 
>>> cyclists and we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes 
>>> on the road. Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the 
>>> right of way when it isn’t mine. 
>>>
>>> I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a 
>>> driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the 
>>> driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I 
>>> neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 
>>> mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken 
>>> but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time 
>>> pedals not releasing. 
>>>
>>> I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and 
>>> one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t 
>>> wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other 
>>> over that one.
>>>
>>> I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old 
>>> I15 that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway 
>>> from that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to s

[RBW] Re: Video: Appaloosa build updates

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Nice work, Eric -- that's a nice build. Loved the video!

Totally envious of your workspace, too!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 11:40:01 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey, thanks Stephen, I appreciate the kind feedback!
>
> Definitely check out the Suntour shifters.  
>
> I actually don't like the Oury grips that much and I'm planning to go back 
> to the felted wool grips wrapped with Newbaum's. And I'm going to wrap the 
> area ahead of the levers, too. Pretty much the same grip and wrapping as I 
> had on the Billie bars. 
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:08:45 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey Eric,
>>
>> Enjoyed the video, as well as your others! I appreciated the top down 
>> comparison of the billies to the ortho's, didn't realize the ortho's came 
>> back so far. In fact, seeing them from that angle they look so similar to 
>> the Tosco bar shape. Also the suntour power thumb shifters look great, I 
>> love how minimal their clamp on the bar is. Might have to look for some of 
>> those myself.. 
>>
>> How are you liking the switch from cotton bar wrap to the oury's? are you 
>> going to wrap the front of the ortho bars?
>>
>> Bike looks great, keep up the good work.
>>
>> -stephen
>>
>> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:54:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone — I just finished a new video about my Appaloosa. Handlebar 
>>> swap, new shifters, new front and rear derailers (including a Nexave rapid 
>>> rise mech). Also installed a Nitto front rack, Son dynamo hub and Schmidt 
>>> Edeluxe II. 
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/muQgJiZtzwY
>>>
>>> Special appearance by orthopedic specialist Dr. Ronnie Romance. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> [image: Appaloosa 20220904.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Blue Lug Riv build video

[bob saunders]

You folks might enjoy the Riv Joe Appaloosa build video by Blue Lug 
Bicycles…they have quite a few videos posted on YouTube and their website 
is well done.

https://youtu.be/KN_9OxE4V6A

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[RBW] Re: Campagnolo Record 10-speed triple front derailleur 32mm clamp-on

[bob saunders]

Sold...thanks Russell.

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:32:41 PM UTC-4 bob saunders wrote:

> [image: image.jpg]Selling a Campagnolo Record 10-speed triple front 
> derailleur 32mm clamp-on that is excellent condition. $65 shipped or picked 
> up in Pittsburgh…thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Paul Racer M’s silver anodized center recessed mount brakes

[bob saunders]

Sold...thanks Eric.

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:32:41 PM UTC-4 bob saunders wrote:

> [image: image.jpg]I’m selling a pair of Paul Racer M’s silver anodized 
> center recessed mount brakes with cables, hangers and used Kool Stop pads 
> that are in excellent shape. $270 shipped for the pair or picked up in 
> Pittsburgh….thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Thanks for the superb narrative, gear talk, and beautiful photos, Eric! So 
inspiring!

Now if we only had some right-to-roam laws like in some of the northern 
European countries...

Bob E
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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Bob]

Owned one Riv, a 2014 Homer. I sold it to fund a custom Bantam. Love the 
Bantam, and wouldn't want to be without it, but I sure miss the Homer. It 
appears I'm not alone in my regret at missing out on a Hunq. Someday, one 
of you lovely people will decide to sell their 650B 53cm or 56cm Hunq, and 
I will simultaneously have the money to buy it.

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On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 7:47:18 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Last run of Hunqapillars designed for 650b is the bike I will never 
> sell[image: 
> IMG_20220511_084953_1.jpg].  My wife's Roscoe Bubbaloosa mountain mixte 
> is great too.
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 6:58:32 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Well, Corwin,I hope you'll post pictures of this lovely bike once you get 
>> it...long wait for customs but they're worth the wait. It's a bummer that 
>> your first one was stolen and I hope you had good insurance to ease some of 
>> the pain. 
>>
>> 3 Rivendells and 1 93 X0-1 which was my gateway drug
>>
>> 1998 26" all-rounder - Sherwood Forest green
>> 2001 Curt Goodrich custom road - Harvest Gold (like some of the earlier 
>> Clems)
>> 2016 Mark Nobilette custom mixte 
>>
>> Probably either the all-rounder or road if I was forced to pick. Since I 
>> like riding my old 70's PX10 as a singlespeed so much I probably would have 
>> liked to own a Quickbeam or SimpleOne...but not really into acquiring more 
>> bikes at this stage of the game
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:15:36 AM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> My answer is much like Joe Bernard's. I would choose my custom. Either 
>>> the first one (stolen April 2021) or the second one - currently at Joe 
>>> Bell's awaiting paint. My frame (especially the first one) is/was much like 
>>> a Roadeo. So much so, that Mark suggested a Roadeo instead of a custom. I 
>>> decided against it based on a preference for custom paint from Joe Bell and 
>>> the decals associated with the custom.
>>>
>>> This time around, the replacement custom is a carbon copy except for 
>>> cantilever posts for Tektro short-pull V-brakes. Same color even. And now I 
>>> also have a Roadeo at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:27:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, how I am loving this thread. JJ’s wife takes the cake with her 
>>>> Wilbury/Glorius pair. Love it, love it. See? It’s a perfectly good idea to 
>>>> have two of the same bike, and she knows it too! I am so enjoying 
>>>> everyone’s photos and descriptions of what they like about their 
>>>> Rivendells, keep them coming. 
>>>>
>>>> My vote - big surprise - goes to the elegant Rivendell Platypus as 
>>>> well. There is no downside to a Platypus. I could not get enough of my 
>>>> raspberry Platy so I searched until I found another Platy frame and then 
>>>> built that one up to haul. Never be without your Platypus, that’s my 
>>>> motto! 
>>>> I find it a great comfort to have a 2nd Platypus; I used to have one bike, 
>>>> a Betty Foy, and had a recurring nightmare that it got stolen. My 
>>>> subconscious was so distressed over the loss of the bike that by the end 
>>>> of 
>>>> the dream I would always miraculously find a spare Betty Foy frame in a 
>>>> box 
>>>> in my garage, this making it all ok.
>>>>
>>>> I love the Rivendell mixtes; Rivendell puts the best of what they are 
>>>> into their mixte line, I have always thought. And like the product page 
>>>> says, all Rivendells are beautiful, but the Platypus is the *most* 
>>>> beautiful Rivendell. Not that it suffers practicality on account of its 
>>>> looks - it is dead useful and supremely comfortable. I use mine for club 
>>>> rides, errand-running, shopping, and pleasure rides. Smart AND beautiful. 
>>>> That’s why it’s my favorite.
>>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Wilbury/Glorius-Betty Foy/Yves Gomez-Cheviot-Platypus. We got 
>>>>> here from there. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Love that Hunqapillar! I've never heard of the Wilburt/Glorius but 
>>>>>> looks nice - the raw metal is awesom

Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Thanks for putting in the work to load these photos, Eric! These are 
spectacular -- so very RSF-ish!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

> Hey Bob and Jeremy, those are some very nice looking Clem’s!
>

Thanks! And to answer Max's question, I'm running a White Industries 
36-tooth chainring and an 11-42 MicroShift Advent 9-speed cassette. (Also, 
an Advent 9-speed derailleur and thumbie in friction mode.)

Bob E
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Re: [RBW] FS: Shimano Bar End Shifters, Brake Levers, Derailleurs

[Bob Keal]

Hi Everyone,

Shifters are sold, but I still have the derailleurs. Please let me know if
you’re interested.

Thanks!

Bob K. in Baltimore

On Monday, June 20, 2022, Bob K.  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I was either off on my prices or the world is ending and no one needs bar
> ends. I'm guessing it's the former.
>
> Everything is still OBO, and I lowered the prices and/or included
> shipping. Here's what's left. Please message directly with interest.
> Thanks! -Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>- Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#1): Beat up but still
>function well. Mounts included. $35 shipped.
>
>
>- Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#2): Nice with only a
>couple minor scuffs. Mounts included. $55 shipped.
>
>
>- Shimano Deore FD-M591: This is a "traditional dual-pull multi-clamp
>front derailleur." I don't remember why I own this, but it sure seems like
>a front derailleur! $15 shipped.
>
>
>- Shimano Deore RD-M591: Good shape. It's long-cage and 9-spd. I used
>it with friction levers on a vintage MTB build for a few months. $30
>shipped.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 10:50:59 AM UTC-4 Bob K. wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I used to post often but haven't in quite some time. Hope it's OK that I
>> list a few parts for sale. Local pickup (Baltimore) preferred. Prices are
>> OBO and do not include shipping (although I am happy to ship at your
>> expense). If I'm off on a price, please just let me know. Paypal F/F,
>> please.
>>
>> Pictures found in this Google Drive folder
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BU7YmhdYnA_Ua_nYyVv5-WetYBxo771O?usp=sharing>
>> .
>>
>> Thanks for any interest. Please reply off-list.
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>> Shimano Tiagra Road Levers: Short-pull. Good, not perfect, condition. $30.
>>
>> Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#1): Beat up but still function
>> well. Mounts included. $35.
>>
>> Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#2): Nicer with only a couple
>> scuffs. Mounts included. $60.
>>
>> Shimano Deore FD-M591: This is a "traditional dual-pull multi-clamp front
>> derailleur." I don't remember why I own this, but it sure seems like a
>> front derailleur! $15.
>>
>> Shimano Deore RD-M591: Good shape. It's long-cage and 9-spd. I used it
>> with friction levers on a vintage MTB build for a few months. $30.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Bar End Shifters, Brake Levers, Derailleurs

[Bob K.]

Hi Folks,

I was either off on my prices or the world is ending and no one needs bar 
ends. I'm guessing it's the former. 

Everything is still OBO, and I lowered the prices and/or included shipping. 
Here's what's left. Please message directly with interest. Thanks! -Bob K. 
in Baltimore

   - Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#1): Beat up but still 
   function well. Mounts included. $35 shipped. 


   - Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#2): Nice with only a couple 
   minor scuffs. Mounts included. $55 shipped. 


   - Shimano Deore FD-M591: This is a "traditional dual-pull multi-clamp 
   front derailleur." I don't remember why I own this, but it sure seems like 
   a front derailleur! $15 shipped.


   - Shimano Deore RD-M591: Good shape. It's long-cage and 9-spd. I used it 
   with friction levers on a vintage MTB build for a few months. $30 shipped.


On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 10:50:59 AM UTC-4 Bob K. wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I used to post often but haven't in quite some time. Hope it's OK that I 
> list a few parts for sale. Local pickup (Baltimore) preferred. Prices are 
> OBO and do not include shipping (although I am happy to ship at your 
> expense). If I'm off on a price, please just let me know. Paypal F/F, 
> please.
>
> Pictures found in this Google Drive folder 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BU7YmhdYnA_Ua_nYyVv5-WetYBxo771O?usp=sharing>
> .
>
> Thanks for any interest. Please reply off-list. 
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
> Shimano Tiagra Road Levers: Short-pull. Good, not perfect, condition. $30.
>
> Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#1): Beat up but still function 
> well. Mounts included. $35. 
>
> Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#2): Nicer with only a couple 
> scuffs. Mounts included. $60. 
>
> Shimano Deore FD-M591: This is a "traditional dual-pull multi-clamp front 
> derailleur." I don't remember why I own this, but it sure seems like a 
> front derailleur! $15.
>
> Shimano Deore RD-M591: Good shape. It's long-cage and 9-spd. I used it 
> with friction levers on a vintage MTB build for a few months. $30.
>

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[RBW] FS: Shimano Bar End Shifters, Brake Levers, Derailleurs

[Bob K.]

Hi Everyone,

I used to post often but haven't in quite some time. Hope it's OK that I 
list a few parts for sale. Local pickup (Baltimore) preferred. Prices are 
OBO and do not include shipping (although I am happy to ship at your 
expense). If I'm off on a price, please just let me know. Paypal F/F, 
please.

Pictures found in this Google Drive folder 
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BU7YmhdYnA_Ua_nYyVv5-WetYBxo771O?usp=sharing>
.

Thanks for any interest. Please reply off-list. 

Bob K. in Baltimore

Shimano Tiagra Road Levers: Short-pull. Good, not perfect, condition. $30.

Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#1): Beat up but still function 
well. Mounts included. $35. 

Shimano Ultegra Bar End Shifters, 8-Spd (#2): Nicer with only a couple 
scuffs. Mounts included. $60. 

Shimano Deore FD-M591: This is a "traditional dual-pull multi-clamp front 
derailleur." I don't remember why I own this, but it sure seems like a 
front derailleur! $15.

Shimano Deore RD-M591: Good shape. It's long-cage and 9-spd. I used it with 
friction levers on a vintage MTB build for a few months. $30.

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Re: [RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Seeing Midnight Oil live is always a treat -- I've seen them three or four 
times -- but being able to bike to the show is an extra treat!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 1:14:13 AM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> I plead guilty on all counts! Great to meet you outside the concert, Ben! 
> Sweet Rammy!
>
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>
> Wow, Mike!!!
>
> Notwithstanding the legend of the RPV Oil/RBW superfan, I was **also** in 
> SLO over the Mem Day weekend (regrets, it was but a quick lunch stop), and 
> lookie what I spotted - who dis?!?
>
> (bad bike-pile photo / am sure everyone here is capable of the quick 
> forensic reading to recognize "ONE OF US")
>
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Cool
>> I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got comments 
>> on my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv too. Jarrod 
>> and Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, apparently 
>> standing too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with Texas plates was 
>> trying to park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along and found one 
>> of the many empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice running into 
>> some new folks in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch B on his 
>> Atlantis (Hi Mitch). Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.
>>
>> Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Everybody!
>>> Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los 
>>> Angeles. While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line 
>>> approached me because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, 
>>> but I can't remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.
>>>
>>> Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say 
>>> hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
>>> happen. Maybe this is a good sign!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Izu Oshima- Gojira's Keep

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Beautiful - looks like a wonderful trip!

Gotta make it to Japan one of these days.

Bob E
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[RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms, Apricot Blossoms, Peach Blossoms

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Beautiful photos, Takashi -- I love the cherry trees in the mountains! 
Japan is definitely on our list of places to visit!

Bob E
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[RBW] Re: WTT/WTS Campag 10-speed triple group

[bob saunders]

Sold to a fine gent in Anchorage.

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 bob saunders wrote:

> Still looking for a home…
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-5 bob saunders wrote:
>
>> Folks…I have an extremely nice Campag 10-speed triple group that I’d like 
>> to trade/add cash for a 62 Rambouillet or Romulus frame in great condition. 
>> If sold as a group, I’m asking $550 plus shipping CONUS and I’m not 
>> interested in breaking up the group. The group consists of:
>>
>> Comp 10speed 53/42/30 175mm crank and NOS crank bolts
>> Centaur triple bottom bracket (English threads NOS w/box)
>> Centaur 10-speed alloy Ergos
>> Centaur 10-speed triple FD (32mm clamp NOS w/box)
>> Comp long cage RD
>> Centaur silver brakes with partially used pads
>> Here’s a link to a photo of the group and I have individual photos 
>> available for email as well.
>>
>> [img]https://i.imgur.com/iriNNST.jpg[/img]
>>
>> Thanks 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hunqapillar on Monumental Loop

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Excellent pics from what looks like a fantastic adventure -- so remote!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 9:32:41 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:

> I spent a few days with a friend exploring Las Cruces, NM and the northern 
> half of the Monument Loop 2.0 (
> https://bikepacking.com/routes/monumental-loop/).  I rode my Hunqapillar 
> and found it equal to the task.  The Monumental Loop contains paved roads, 
> paved bike paths, gravel paths, dirt roads of varying quality, single 
> track, and sections of hike-a-bike trails.  I find the desert therapeutic, 
> especially in early spring!  The camping spots we found were beautiful and 
> remote. We divided the northern half of the loop into three 45ish mile 
> days, which was the perfect pace at which to enjoy the scenery, to eat 
> meals in a few of towns we passed through, and to insure remote camping 
> spots.  
>
> Photo of the Hunqapillar here: 
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March/i-JwThrQ3/A
>
> More highlight photos of the trip here on Instagram:
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CbuahSlu6FA/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CbxCEBbuTbw/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> All the photos from the trip here on SmugMug:
>
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March
>
> Hoping everyone can enjoy their favorite type of riding in 2022!
>
> Erl
>
> Kensington, MD
>
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[RBW] Re: Thinking of getting A Homer- does it feel quick?

[Bob]

I had a 2014 MUSA Homer, a 61, rolling on Compass (as RH were then) Barlow 
Pass tires. "Quick" is not the word I'd use; "eager" would be better. That 
is, I felt that it rewarded effort, when power and speed were required. 
When steady cruising was in order, it was in no way "nervous" or twitchy, 
but smooth. I miss that bike.

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On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:20:08 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:

> I'm coming from a really short and qucik handling bike- Surly Pack Rat. 
> I'm curious in starting over and getting a Home for longer rides that would 
> benefit from some less-nervous handling. 
>
> 58cm is what I'm after, any ride review or insights would be great!
>
> Thanks, 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT/WTS Campag 10-speed triple group

[bob saunders]

Still looking for a home…

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-5 bob saunders wrote:

> Folks…I have an extremely nice Campag 10-speed triple group that I’d like 
> to trade/add cash for a 62 Rambouillet or Romulus frame in great condition. 
> If sold as a group, I’m asking $550 plus shipping CONUS and I’m not 
> interested in breaking up the group. The group consists of:
>
> Comp 10speed 53/42/30 175mm crank and NOS crank bolts
> Centaur triple bottom bracket (English threads NOS w/box)
> Centaur 10-speed alloy Ergos
> Centaur 10-speed triple FD (32mm clamp NOS w/box)
> Comp long cage RD
> Centaur silver brakes with partially used pads
> Here’s a link to a photo of the group and I have individual photos 
> available for email as well.
>
> [img]https://i.imgur.com/iriNNST.jpg[/img]
>
> Thanks 
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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne

[bob saunders]

Still on the hunt and based on your comments, sounds like I should hunt for 
a 62cm Ram…thanks folks. This time, prefer a frame/fork/hs.

On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 9:09:37 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Here's a 61 Sam Hillborne:
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/walnut-creek-rivendell-sam-hillbourne/7341501214.html
>
>
>
> On May 26, 2021, at 8:57 PM, bob saunders  wrote:
>
> Jimmy...both frames have level top tubes and my saddle height is 79cm.
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because the Rambouillet TT is also 60 cm. Whatever 
>> your handlebar height is on the Poprad and JPWeigle, for the same stem, I'd 
>> have to think it'll be a lot higher with a 64 cm Ram. In addition to it 
>> being a bigger frame, Rams bring the handlebar up compared to level top 
>> tubes by virtue of that 2 degree TT rise. Also, the head tube lug is 
>> vertically extended, which adds even more height. Do the Poprad and 
>> JPWeigle have level top tubes? Also, do you know your preferred saddle 
>> height. Saddle height can be a great indicator of a Riv that fits.
>>
>> Mine is 81 cm, and a 64 cm Ram is almost just right for me. 65 cm is 
>> probably my ideal, but they never made that.
>>
>> And my best size for a 6 degree Riv is 61.5 cm.
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM bob saunders  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow...thanks for the help as it sounds like I need to do some homework. 
>>> I have an offer of a 64cm Ram, but I am trying to equate the geometry to my 
>>> other bikes...a 59cm Lemond Poprad and a 57.5 x 60 JPWeigle roadie. The 
>>> Weigle’s top tube length is a better fit for me on longer rides.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 5:29:19 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ram: 2 degrees of TT upslope
>>>> Sam: 6 degrees of TT upslope
>>>>
>>>> At that frame size, every one degree adds 1 cm of head tube height. So 
>>>> on paper, the handlebar height of a 60 cm Sam is about the same as a 64 cm 
>>>> Ram.
>>>>
>>>> The "new" sizing regime of Rivs with the 6 degrees of TT upslope was 
>>>> new around when the Sams were introduced, maybe 13 years ago? Bombadil was 
>>>> also the new bike bike around that time that pioneered the new greater TT 
>>>> angle.
>>>>
>>>> Before that, the models tended to be around 2 degrees. Ram was never 
>>>> made again after the "expanded" frame geometry was unleashed, so Rams are 
>>>> all 2 degrees. (AHH's, on the other hand, have come in both styles, 
>>>> depending on when made. And logic says the same is true of Atlantis, 
>>>> although in the old days, the Atlantis was a wild one with 2.5 degrees (!) 
>>>> of TT upslope. For AHH and Atlantis, the switch to Made In Taiwan is also 
>>>> the switch from low angle to high angle.)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:13 AM James Warren  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric is right. I've owned both a 64 cm Ram and a 60 cm Sam and both 
>>>>> fit me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 7:30 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think those two frames would fit very differently. The Ram has 
>>>>>> traditional road geo, so maybe a 64cm Ram would be equivalent to a 60cm 
>>>>>> Sam. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, May 21, 2021, bob saunders  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello...I’m looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Sam 
>>>>>>> Hillborne...complete bike or frame is ok. Located in the PNW but 
>>>>>>> shipping 
>>>>>>> work too. Thanks  
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[RBW] WTT/WTS Campag 10-speed triple group

[bob saunders]

Folks…I have an extremely nice Campag 10-speed triple group that I’d like 
to trade/add cash for a 62 Rambouillet or Romulus frame in great condition. 
If sold as a group, I’m asking $550 plus shipping CONUS and I’m not 
interested in breaking up the group. The group consists of:

Comp 10speed 53/42/30 175mm crank and NOS crank bolts
Centaur triple bottom bracket (English threads NOS w/box)
Centaur 10-speed alloy Ergos
Centaur 10-speed triple FD (32mm clamp NOS w/box)
Comp long cage RD
Centaur silver brakes with partially used pads
Here’s a link to a photo of the group and I have individual photos 
available for email as well.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/iriNNST.jpg[/img]

Thanks 

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[RBW] Re: BikeSnobNYC, 2022 Five Boro NYC Bike tour promo video on Platypus. Reviews of prior tours requested.

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hi Roberta,

It's a load of fun (I've done it twice, many years ago). The ride through 
Manhattan is amazing, but since it's right after the mass start, it's super 
packed and you need to be on guard against collisions from 
inexperienced/distracted riders. But after the pack spreads out, it becomes 
really enjoyable -- and one gets to ride on roads that would be either 
illegal or suicidal otherwise!

Also recommend leaving your car at or near the Staten Island ferry terminal.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: SON Rear Light Brightness?

[Bob]

Hi Sean,
I have an older B taillight powered by an older SONdelux (before the 
Wide-Body) hub, and it's plenty bright, and a Compass/Rene Herse taillight 
running from a newer Wide-Body. Also decently bright. I can't imagine SON's 
own taillights would be anything but reasonably bright.

I too am curious, Mathieu, to know the details of the troubles with dynamo 
taillights reported by RBW and your LBS have. I wonder if some of the 
troubles have to do with wiring, which, in the absence of accommodations on 
or in the frame, must be zip-tied to, handlebar-taped to, or wrapped around 
the frame to reach the taillight. It's a mild aesthetic irritation, for me 
at least. Gets the job done, though, and my zip-tie-enabled system has 
worked every day and in every weather for nine years.

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On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:48:32 AM UTC-6 Sean B. wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I currently have a SONdelux Wide-Body hub with a SON Edelux II headlight 
> and was wanting to get a taillight as well. Does anyone have experience 
> with the SON Rear Light? If so, how bright is it and what system are you 
> using it on? I cant find many reviews online, so thought I'd ask y'all. 
>
> Thanks! 
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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne

[bob saunders]

Jimmy...both frames have level top tubes and my saddle height is 79cm.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:

> That's interesting, because the Rambouillet TT is also 60 cm. Whatever 
> your handlebar height is on the Poprad and JPWeigle, for the same stem, I'd 
> have to think it'll be a lot higher with a 64 cm Ram. In addition to it 
> being a bigger frame, Rams bring the handlebar up compared to level top 
> tubes by virtue of that 2 degree TT rise. Also, the head tube lug is 
> vertically extended, which adds even more height. Do the Poprad and 
> JPWeigle have level top tubes? Also, do you know your preferred saddle 
> height. Saddle height can be a great indicator of a Riv that fits.
>
> Mine is 81 cm, and a 64 cm Ram is almost just right for me. 65 cm is 
> probably my ideal, but they never made that.
>
> And my best size for a 6 degree Riv is 61.5 cm.
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM bob saunders  wrote:
>
>> Wow...thanks for the help as it sounds like I need to do some homework. I 
>> have an offer of a 64cm Ram, but I am trying to equate the geometry to my 
>> other bikes...a 59cm Lemond Poprad and a 57.5 x 60 JPWeigle roadie. The 
>> Weigle’s top tube length is a better fit for me on longer rides.
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 5:29:19 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>>> Ram: 2 degrees of TT upslope
>>> Sam: 6 degrees of TT upslope
>>>
>>> At that frame size, every one degree adds 1 cm of head tube height. So 
>>> on paper, the handlebar height of a 60 cm Sam is about the same as a 64 cm 
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>> The "new" sizing regime of Rivs with the 6 degrees of TT upslope was new 
>>> around when the Sams were introduced, maybe 13 years ago? Bombadil was also 
>>> the new bike bike around that time that pioneered the new greater TT angle.
>>>
>>> Before that, the models tended to be around 2 degrees. Ram was never 
>>> made again after the "expanded" frame geometry was unleashed, so Rams are 
>>> all 2 degrees. (AHH's, on the other hand, have come in both styles, 
>>> depending on when made. And logic says the same is true of Atlantis, 
>>> although in the old days, the Atlantis was a wild one with 2.5 degrees (!) 
>>> of TT upslope. For AHH and Atlantis, the switch to Made In Taiwan is also 
>>> the switch from low angle to high angle.)
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:13 AM James Warren  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric is right. I've owned both a 64 cm Ram and a 60 cm Sam and both fit 
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 7:30 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think those two frames would fit very differently. The Ram has 
>>>>> traditional road geo, so maybe a 64cm Ram would be equivalent to a 60cm 
>>>>> Sam. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, May 21, 2021, bob saunders  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello...I’m looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Sam 
>>>>>> Hillborne...complete bike or frame is ok. Located in the PNW but 
>>>>>> shipping 
>>>>>> work too. Thanks  
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS- 2003 Riv Custom- Curt Goodrich- yes, Patrick Moores'.

[bob saunders]

Tom...will this frame fit 650b wheels?

Thanks 

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Quite  a few inquiries but no offers yet. Someone asked if I would sell 
> the frame and forks separate. 
> Yes I will. Frame, 2 forks in matching powdercoat, custom racks and 2 sets 
> of fenders $525 plus actual shipping. I have a box and materials to ship 
> already.
> My goal in posting here first is to get it to someone who would appreciate 
> it and I would not have to add bar tape, a front derailler, etc to sell 
> locally to someone that is just looking for a bike. 
> Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 2:08:34 PM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Here is the whole bike, Thought it was in first post.
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne

[bob saunders]

Wow...thanks for the help as it sounds like I need to do some homework. I 
have an offer of a 64cm Ram, but I am trying to equate the geometry to my 
other bikes...a 59cm Lemond Poprad and a 57.5 x 60 JPWeigle roadie. The 
Weigle’s top tube length is a better fit for me on longer rides.

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 5:29:19 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:

> Ram: 2 degrees of TT upslope
> Sam: 6 degrees of TT upslope
>
> At that frame size, every one degree adds 1 cm of head tube height. So on 
> paper, the handlebar height of a 60 cm Sam is about the same as a 64 cm Ram.
>
> The "new" sizing regime of Rivs with the 6 degrees of TT upslope was new 
> around when the Sams were introduced, maybe 13 years ago? Bombadil was also 
> the new bike bike around that time that pioneered the new greater TT angle.
>
> Before that, the models tended to be around 2 degrees. Ram was never made 
> again after the "expanded" frame geometry was unleashed, so Rams are all 2 
> degrees. (AHH's, on the other hand, have come in both styles, depending on 
> when made. And logic says the same is true of Atlantis, although in the old 
> days, the Atlantis was a wild one with 2.5 degrees (!) of TT upslope. For 
> AHH and Atlantis, the switch to Made In Taiwan is also the switch from low 
> angle to high angle.)
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:13 AM James Warren  wrote:
>
>> Eric is right. I've owned both a 64 cm Ram and a 60 cm Sam and both fit 
>> me.
>>
>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 7:30 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> I think those two frames would fit very differently. The Ram has 
>>> traditional road geo, so maybe a 64cm Ram would be equivalent to a 60cm 
>>> Sam. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 21, 2021, bob saunders  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello...I’m looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne...complete 
>>>> bike or frame is ok. Located in the PNW but shipping work too. Thanks  
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[bob saunders]

Another nod to Nick at Fern Hollow...not as convenient as he was when he 
was located in Lawrenceville, but worth the ride. If you’re looking to do 
some riding outside of the city itself, you can cross the Allegheny River 
and ride in Fox Chapel and the surrounding area. Decent coffee stops at The 
Coffee Tree in Fox Chapel Plaza and Beans and Cream in Aspinwall. A bit 
hilly and make sure to use a rear light, as the roads are not straight and 
they are narrow...always give yourself a chance...most drivers are used to 
cyclist on those roads. Always looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Hillborne, 
so shout out if you know of someone in the market.
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:09:22 PM UTC-4 robert@gmail.com wrote:

> Andy and Rusty, thanks for the recommendations. I'm staying on the north 
> side and so far I've been exploring the bike paths up and down the river. 
> I've made it to the ends of the trails on the north side, but haven't 
> explored the south side down to the GAP yet. That's on my list this week. 
> I've also been up to Riverview Park.
>
> I had the opportunity to stop into Bear Dog bicycles here on the north 
> side the other day, and they liked the Rivendell on sight but it was new to 
> them. Which is totally fine. I'll stop by Kindred Cycles and check out 
> their selection — I'm looking for racks and lights.
>
> Andy, I'd be happy to go for a ride this week or next. Glad to hear you're 
> back on the bike!
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:58 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob. 
>>
>> I'll put in a strong vote for Kindred Cycles on Penn Avenue in the Strip 
>> District. Despite the concentration of students and universities there are 
>> not the tier of bike shops near campus you'd expect.One 
>> <http://expect.one/> was Iron City Bikes on S. Bouquet but have 
>> consolidated into their Butler St. location. Catherine and Aaron are top 
>> class. Catherine build my Coast rando last year and handled all the custom 
>> built frame issues with aplomb. They stock RH tires, fenders, generator 
>> hubs, lights, etc. The things that many shops stare back blankly at you 
>> when you asked. Looking a little cluttered as they cope with both demand 
>> and product availability. 
>>
>> A plethora of cool places to ride and see the city are around here. Where 
>> have you explored on you bike so far? One feature of Team Decaf rides is 
>> the they are all urban and explore interesting features and make use of 
>> the infrastructure you noted. I'm lucky to have both the. coffee. shop and 
>> the ride around the corner from me in my neighborhood but as you are 
>> probably discovering, they are all fairly proximate and accessible by 
>> bike. The kind of town where you see your favorite bike mechanic while you 
>> are both walking your dogs. 
>>
>> Spring has sprung and I'm getting around on my bike again after shoulder 
>> surgery in December. I have puttered around for a few weeks and my legs are 
>> coming back, I'm trying not to outrun my upper body conditioning. Back to 
>> work tomorrow, hope to get a chance to ride (appropriately distantly) 
>> with you while you're in. town.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:19:48 PM UTC-4 robert@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks! I'm visiting Pittsburgh for a few weeks and I've been enjoying 
>>> biking around town on my 62cm Appaloosa. The bike infrastructure here is 
>>> world class. If anybody else is interested in the group ride Andy mentioned 
>>> above, they're called Team Decaf and you can find them at 
>>> https://teamdecaf.tumblr.com — looks like group rides this year start June 
>>> 1.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a recommendation for a local bike shop?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Monday, 22 March 2021 at 07:21:10 UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josh,
>>>>
>>>> A riding group in Pittsburgh, although yet to declare a start to the 
>>>> usual Tuesday rides beginning in April. They've met at the coffee shop 
>>>> on N. Highland Ave. in Highland Park. All sorts and levels of riders. 
>>>> Neither a lycra drop ride, nor a tweed, sandal and sock ride either. All 
>>>> of 
>>>> the above. The group's been around so long that it's not absurd to be 
>>>> called out by bystanders far from the start point as we ride through 
>>>> neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>> Links to maps of many of the routes in and around town there, length 
>>>> varies based on available lig

[RBW] WTB 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne

[bob saunders]

Hello...I’m looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne...complete bike 
or frame is ok. Located in the PNW but shipping work too. Thanks 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Jim,

The original Raleigh-branded Weinmann calipers had (just) enough reach -- 
at the very bottom of the slot in the brake arm, the brake shoes just made 
it to the 700C rim's braking surface. It's roughly a 65-mm distance from 
the brake fixing screw to where the shoes connect to the arm.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wide range double crankset

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not expert enough to explain where the differences come from, but 
different cranks use different bb spindle lengths to get the same 
configuration.  The Sugino AT's just happen to use a relatively long 
spindle but once installed they clear the chainstays exactly as they 
should.  That said, being a triple, the Q factor is going to be more than a 
double.

Sheldon's BB chart is here:  https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html  
(scroll down to the Sugino section for the Sugino AT)
I wish there were more Q factors filled in but hopefully there is enough 
info there to do some comparisons.

If you do go with a double, the IRD compact double (46/30) might be on your 
list... I have that on a Hilsen and it works great.  I am sure there are 
other great options as well.
http://boulderbicycle.bike/IRD-Compact-Crank-46-30-assorted-lengths.html

Hopefully other AT users (or ??) will chime in with more knowledge and 
experience...

Bob



On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 5:41:04 PM UTC-5 Joe M. wrote:

> Crank length 170mm. The AT's are really nice. I'm afraid that going with 
> that wide of a BB may not feel right. Can you folks with experience with 
> the AT shed some light on this? I'm 5'10 with a PBH of 85. I imagine if I 
> was taller I may not notice the wide Q. I don't have experience with 
> anything that wide. Thanks!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wide range double crankset

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have had great luck using the IRD QB-95 BB (127.5) with the AT cranks, at 
times using a drive side spacer (sorry I do remember but I will guess at 
3-5mm for the spacer).

http://boulderbicycle.bike/IRD-JIS-Bottom-Bracket-QB-95-lots-of-sizes-best-bb-option-REGARDLESS-of-cost.html

The AT's are great cranks if you stay with a triple... and the BB cost is 
going to be less than a different crankset.

Bob
Galesburg, IL

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 2:02:53 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> What crank length Joe?
> The AT  may need a 127mm bb with a +5mm to the drive side. 
> There is currently a cup and cone unit on eBay. 
> Those ATs are pretty nice cranks, it may be worth sourcing the correct bb. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-7 Joe M. wrote:
>
>> I'm building a Sam and setting it up with a 12-32 8-speed cassette. I 
>> have a Sugino AT 24/34/46 that won't fit, even with a 122.5mm BB! It fits 
>> as a double but I want more granny gearing!
>>
>> Does anyone have a wide range double that they'd be willing to part with. 
>> Ideally it would be 26/42. A Rene Herse or Specialties TA Pro 5 Vis would 
>> be the bees knees!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe from Los Angeles
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pass and Stow recommendation

[Bob Cook]

I add my vote of confidence for the 5-rail Pass and Stow. I had mine for 
several years on a Pugsley, carrying my winter commuting and shopping loads 
in a Porcelain Rocket x Monkey Wrench Cycles bag. The dynamo wiring 
accommodation is outstanding. Though useful, I found the setup on the 
Pugsley a bit cumbersome for anything but transport hauling.

I recently moved the rack to an Albatross'd 1993 Trek 950. Quite *unlike* 
on the Pugsley, the Trek handles beautifully with the rack. Unloaded or 
minimally loaded, I can ride no-handed as if the rack weren't there. A 
heavy grocery load slows the steering down considerably, but not 
unpleasantly.

I should add that, when I decided to move the rack from the Pugs to the 
Trek, Matt didn't have sets of spare legs listed on the Pass and Stow 
website. I e-mailed to inquire about purchasing the correct legs, and he 
got right back to me. I had the set of legs a couple weeks later. He also 
included a complete set of fresh hardware. Installation was a breeze.

If I had not sold my AHH several years ago to fund a custom, I think I 
would have a silver 5-rail rack on it now.

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On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-6 Friend wrote:

> I am feeling ready to spend on a nice front rack for my Appaloosa.  I was 
> going to get the Pass and Stow and and am wondering if anyone has 
> experience with either the 3 rail or the 5 rail option.  I was leaning 
> towards the 5 rail option because it would better support a basket.  I'm 
> wondering if anyone found unexpected tradeoffs when they bought one or the 
> other and just trying to get some peace of mind before spending $280

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

HI Corwin,

Good to hear you're another practitioner of WHM and have benefitted from 
it! I haven't done the ice baths yet, but I do take ice cold showers daily. 
I've never felt better, but I'm hoping it'll eventually provide some relief 
to the cold fingers I experience during winter riding.

Cheers!

Bob

On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 1:31:59 AM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:

> Hi Bob -
>
> Given that I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, I don't experience much 
> in the way of cold weather. Your mention of the Wim Hof method piqued my 
> interest though. I have been practicing the Wim Hof method for many years 
> now. I bathe in cold water. I'm a diver, so I wear much a thinner wetsuit 
> than others I dive with - and do not wear a hood. When I told Grant about 
> the Wim Hof method, he looked at me as though I was crazy. Most of the 
> time, I wear no gloves. Occasionally, I will wear a thin pair of silk or 
> polypropylene liners.
>
> Namaste,
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Build Ideas for New Sam H

[Bob Warner]

I highly recommend the Compass/RH Barlow Pass 38mm tires for the Sam.  I 
think it's the perfect tire for this bike.  Relatively fast ride yet 
incredibly comfortable.  I like the drop bar setup on mine works great 
for long rides as provides lots of hand position options.  

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I usually wear three layers of wool (baselayer, jersey, jacket) to keep my 
core warm but still allow for moisture removal so I don't sweat. (If it's 
well below freezing, then a rain jacket goes on over a baselayer and a 
sweater.) For my feet, I wear either trail shoes (adding a layer of saran 
wrap over my toes above my socks) or insulated Merrell winter boots. A wool 
watch cap covers my ears underneath a helmet, and a pair of softshell 
gloves with glove liners underneath for my hands. 

But lately I've found that my index fingers get super cold after a while, 
no matter what I do. I've been doing the Wim Hof Method ice-cold showers 
this past year, and I've noticed that I can sometimes get Raynaud-like 
symptoms like Andy Cheatham, so I guess that explains that!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Appaloosa F/F/HS

[Bob Lovejoy]

David,

Here is a chart from the Riv site:  
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh

Bob
On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 8:13:00 AM UTC-6 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Good morning, Bones,
>
> Just sent a PM.
>
>
> Is anyone able to tell me what the PBH range is for this 62cm frame? I've 
> hunted around online and can't turn anything up.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> David
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> Bump. I'll drop the price for local pickup to $900. Make me an offer.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 3:35:29 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> $1000 shipped CONUS or can arrange for local pickup (NJ, outside of 
>>> Philadelphia)
>>>
>>> Ever since I moved the kiddos over to my Cargo Clem I've had a hard time 
>>> finding a job for my Apploosa. It's a wonderful bike but I simply do not 
>>> need an All-Rounder while I have other bikes better suited to each type of 
>>> riding I do. Two years of beausage. No dents or dings other than some mild 
>>> depressions on the chainstays from the super-duper kickstand I used to use. 
>>> There are some moderate scrapes near the crank and inside the drive side 
>>> chainstay (loose chain incident). Other small scrapes here and there. The 
>>> attached pictures should show it all.
>>>
>>> Please PM me with any questions. Thanks!
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Bosco Bars (52cm HT Alu; 55cm Chromo)

[Bob B]

Bumping this up. Still have some 52 Heat Treated Alu Bosco Bars. Another 
round of cleaning means I remembered I had these for sale!

$60 shipped, or $45 local pickup in Brooklyn.

Pics: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NCxudQcG_5bKMKEU98ji6c9LnQ55tpMZ

Bob B
Brooklyn NY

On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 8:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bob B wrote:

> Kai took the Cromos! 
>
> Still have 52 Alu for $65 shipped or less if you're in NYC.
>

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[RBW] Alternative to Velo Orange Wheel Stabilizer

[Bob B]

Besides what the subject says...

I'm looking for a solution to wheel tippage while using a regular kickstand 
that:

   - Does *not* require you to do anything (e.g.: flick down a flickstand)
   - Isn't dangerous
   - Looks cleaner/simpler than the VO product.
   - Lasts a while so I can forget it's there
   - Can be a DIY solution

Include pics on your bike if you have a good setup!

Thanks,
Bob B.
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Kai described the day perfectly (and succinctly)! My photos of the ride are 
here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGiT_n5ltBp/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

And here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGiWgu_lgJr/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
<https://www.instagram.com/p/CGiWgu_lgJr/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link>

Bob E
Cranford, NJ


On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 8:22:14 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:
>
> The good- 
> The Weather!
> The Sights!
> The Pace!
> The Company!
>
> The bad-
> In all likelihood, You weren't there..
>
> I hope next year sees an end to this pandemic and a new epidemic of fun 
> group rides begin.
>
> Thank you Bobs! (specifically Roberta and Bob (sorry to Bob you Roberta, 
> couldn't resist))
> -Kai
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Regarding directions: Plug this into your GPS: 

2 Simon Lake Drive
Atlantic Highlands, NJ 07716

Regarding parking: Lot 1 might fill up sooner, but Lots 1 and 2 are right 
next to each other, so it really doesn't matter; we'll see each other. Even 
if you park on the street somewhere, just come down to the trail.

Regarding the trail surface: I haven't been on the HHT since 2018, but I 
seem to remember that most of the trail is paved, and what isn't is a very 
fine crushed stone surface -- in other words, any bike and any tire will be 
fine on it. 

Regarding the climb: They are approaches to a fairly high bridge, but the 
grade really isn't bad at all.

Regarding the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch: It's a nice (and 
shorter) alterntive to going back to Matawan. As Dave pointed out, the ride 
from Sandy Hook to Long Branch starts off alongside a large rock seawall on 
a paved trail, but that's only for a couple of miles -- after that, you're 
on Rt. 36 as you enter downtown Sea Bright. After Sea Bright, there's a 
wide shoulder and you pass nice homes and some beach clubs. At Long Branch 
Rt. 36 turns into a four-lane highway (Ocean Blvd), so I've turned onto 
side streets from there to get to the train station. A ride along Ocean Ave 
(not Blvd) and on the promenade at this time of year (no crowds) would be 
very nice, as it's obviously right along the ocean.

To give you an idea of what some of the route is like, the photos in the 
below link are from a ride where I took the train from Linden to 
Aberdeen/Matawan, rode east along the HHT, turned right after the bridge 
(bypassed Sandy Hook that time), rode down Rt. 36 and hit the beach at 
Seven Presidents Oceanfront Park in Long Branch to go for a swim before 
taking the train home:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskF1WUCh

And this one is of Sandy Hook itself:
https://flic.kr/s/aHskmyzgvz

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

John,

Per the aerial map in the below link (scroll down), the area I mentioned 
earlier is free commuter parking for Seastreak (Lot 2). (The smaller Lot 1 
also works, if spaces are available at 11:30.) I think you were looking at 
Lot 3.) I believe what you're suggesting is Lot 4, which would also work. 
But wherever you may want to park, you'll be sure to see Rivs circling 
about.

https://seastreak.com/what-to-know/port-locations-directions-parking/atlantic-highlands-nj/


Bob

On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 8:11:47 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> Concerning parking in Atlantic Highlands for those coming by car, you 
> suggested:
>
> "I suggest the Atlantic Highlands meet-up location be the parking lot 
> along First Ave (left side as you head toward the pier)."
>
> I looked at the map and the entire left side of 1st Ave seems to be a 
> large parking, with lots of SUVs/truck with boat trailers attached (to be 
> expected fo r a marine location).
>
> Would a better place be the parking area on the west side of West Ave 
> right after West Ave passes Bay Ave (going north on West towards the ferry 
> terminal)???  The parking spots are lined and border the HHT.   Might be 
> better than mixing it up with boat trailers??
>
> Any thoughts???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv. Camping trip, NYC, seeking route advice

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Wow! That's way better than my suggestion!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

The HHT Activity Center has no parking and it's right along busy and noisy 
Rt. 36; the Shore Casino appears to be a banquet hall (not a casino), so I 
suggest the Atlantic Highlands meet-up location be the parking lot along 
First Ave (left side as you head toward the pier). We can then ride to 
Highlands to meet up with anyone arriving by ferry. (Remember, according to 
Seastreak's website there is no ferry at Atlantic Highlands at this time.)

Most of the path from Matawan to Highlands is a former railroad grade, so 
it's basically flat. Between Atlantic Highlands and Highlands, it runs 
right along the bay, so it avoids Mt. Mitchell. The only climbs are the 
bridge approaches, but they're not bad. 

It should also be noted that the trail is segmented in Atlantic Highlands 
-- once one reaches Avenue D, turn left and head down Avenue D, make a 
right onto Center Ave, and pick up the trail resurfaces at the intersection 
of Center and Hennessey. Also, the trail ends at Popamora Point, so the 
ride continues on Shore Drive through Highlands to reach the bridge.

Regarding food, there are some places in Highlands along the main drag (Bay 
Ave). I might probably just bring my own lunch and avoid going inside.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:41:21 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Bob
>
> I had the same thought for the train riders:  NJ Transit to Matawan, bike 
> the HHT to meet main group at either:
> *  HHT Activity Center at approx 1130   or 
> *  Shore Casino, Ferry Dock in town at 1145 (ferry arrival)
> Train riders could return to NYC via Long Branch or Matewan (if a longer 
> rider is desired).
> The HHT avoids the city streets if a station further east than Matawan is 
> used for the arrival
>
> This also allows for drivers to meet at the HHT Activity or the Ferry 
> Dock  or   park at the western end of the HHT and ride to the eastern end 
> and meet the main group.
>
> Is the path from AH to Bridge to Sandy Hook flat or do you climb Mt 
> Mitchell??  This cold be the ONLY 'climb' for the ride, other than the 
> bridge approach.
>
> Any suggestions for a place to eat???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ, the garden spot of the Garden State
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Yes, John, those driving directions are the best way to get there.

Regarding restrooms: According to the Monmouth County Park System's 
website, there a restroom at the HHT Activity Center at Rt. 36 and Avenue 
D, and there's also one at Popamora Point, at the eastern end of the trail 
in Highlands. There are also some restrooms along the way in Sandy Hook at 
the beach complexes:

https://www.nps.gov/gate/planyourvisit/upload/MUP_Wayside-Map_rev5July2017.pdf

But looking just now at Seastreak's schedule, it doesn't show a stop at 
Atlantic Highlands! (Might be a temporary thing because of reduced demand 
due to COVID?) It does stop further east at Highlands, though. Also, the 
earliest Saturday or Sunday arrival at Highlands is 11:45am, and the last 
two boats depart Highlands at 4:30pm and 7:30pm.

So, just to throw out an idea, maybe those taking the train (or who want to 
get a longer ride in) can start at Matawan (NJT North Jersey Coast Line 
train #7229 leaves NYP at 9:07am and arrives at Aberdeen/Matawan at 
10:11am), head east to meet up with those who want to start at Atlantic 
Highlands at, say 11:30am, and then continue east (IMO, the most scenic 
portion of the "mainland" is between Atlantic Highlands and Highlands) to 
pick up those arriving by ferry at Highlands at 11:45am and then cross the 
bridge to hit Sandy Hook. (Similar situation for the return, but the train 
riders have the option of returning to Aberdeen/Matawan or heading south 
for a shorter trip to Long Branch).

Any thoughts on this? 

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 7:29:17 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Bob
>
> 1st Ave and Hennessey appears to be be the Shore Casino with plenty of 
> parking and hopefully restrooms.  It seems like a good Start/Finish point.  
> This would be the 20/25M loop out to Sandy Hook
>
> Driving seems to be GSP to NJ36 near Matawan and then NJ36 to AH and 1st 
> Ave.  There don't appear to be direct roads if you stay on the GSP further 
> east and then come north to AH.   Is this correct or are there better 
> routes?
>
> Only problem would be the NYC folks coming by train to reach the Start.  
>  Would the HHT be the best way for them to come from Matawan or are there 
> better choices if they stay on the train past Matawan and get off at 
> another station??   They could go down to Long Branch for the return trip.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Starting from Atlantic Highlands (First Ave & Hennessey), it's about 4 
miles to the ocean (after passing through the town of Highlands and then 
crossing the Rt. 36 bridge, which has cycling/ped infrastructure). From the 
bridge, the basic loop to the end of Sandy Hook and back to the bridge is 
around 12 miles (of course, it's more if you decide to ride around and hit 
up all some interesting points up there). So, the trip from AH to SH and 
back to AH will be about 20-25 miles.

Now if one were to start at the Matawan train station, it's around 11 miles 
to reach Atlantic Highlands, so the trip from Matawan to Sandy Hook and 
back will then be roughly 45 miles. (To use Jan Heine's terms, think of 
that portion as the "transport stage" to reach the start of the "official" 
ride at AH!)

Another option for those coming by train would be to continue south along 
the ocean after Sandy Hook and take Rt. 36/Ocean Ave for most of the way to 
pick up the return train at Long Branch (it's 7 miles from the Rt. 36 
bridge to the station). So that trip from Matawan to AH to SH to LB would 
be around 34 miles.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 7:31:02 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> A possible Start/End could be the Henry Hudson Trailhead at Broadway/Lloyd 
> Rd/Gerard Ave in Aberdeen/Keyport.  Looks like 32 parking spots at the 
> trail head.  The Matawan train station looks to be < 1M and has city 
> streets to the trail head for the NYC folks.
>
> 12M along trail to Popamora Point (Highlands??) and you avoid Rt 36.  
>  Don't know how far it is to Sandy Hook from there.  Possibly 60 to 70M 
> total if going out to Sandy Hook.  Would need to start about 0900 or 
> earlier??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

What kind of rides is everyone interested in? What distances do you have in 
mind? Here are some thoughts right off the top of my head:

The only scenic section of the Henry Hudson Trail is the very short section 
between Atlantic Highlands and Highlands. So, a nice ride could be to start 
from Atlantic Highlands, ride along the Raritan Bay into Highlands, then 
cross the bridge over the Shrewsbury River (a little bit of a climb) and 
hit Sandy Hook, which is really nice. Once there, you can ride along Sandy 
Hook Bay, ride past old officers quarters, gun emplacements, and a 
lighthouse. This is a 25-30 mile round trip. (But starting from the Matawan 
train station to the west would add another 20 miles to the round trip.)

Another option is Patriots Path, which one can pick up not too far from the 
Morristown train station (actually, Morris Plains might be better to avoid 
Morristown traffic). Starting from Speedwell Lake, the eastern part is 
paved, but it turns to dirt singletrack soon enough for the rest of the way 
westward. It's all off road, cross-country stuff -- diverse landscapes, 
mostly flat, but there are some rollers and a few short but steep hills in 
the middle with roots (you can always get off your bike and hike it up). 
The area gets progressively less suburban as you head further west, and by 
the time you reach Mendham, there's even a nice little water crossing. It's 
about a 20 mile round trip from Morristown to Mendham and back.

If you're looking for just a little chill ride for a get-together, another 
place is the Loantaka Brook Reservation (Morristown area), coupled with 
some road stretches in the area with the Traction Line Trail. (Getting off 
the train at Convent Station will put you off literally right alongside the 
Traction Line Trail.) Nice, varied terrain, although the trails tend to get 
crowded on the weekend.

The D Canal towpath is nice. The more scenic section is the one that runs 
along the Delaware River (but might be too far for New Yorkers). There's 
also a section between New Brunswick and Trenton with a nice stretch around 
Princeton. An option could be to get off the train at Bound Brook, pick up 
the trail there, and head south to Kingston and Princeton (but that's 
around a 40-mile round trip, mostly through nothing but trees along a 
canal).

The Columbia Trail is another nice one. There's a train stop very close to 
the southern trailhead at High Bridge, but the trains don't go that far 
west on weekends. But from there, it's a 22-mile round trip between there 
and the Long Valley Brew Pub.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Sweater vests available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I saw a notification on FB on this... but sorry if I missed it here or 
wherever.

Sweater vests would seem to be available!  The note I saw said this was the 
last run...  

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/cheviot-woolywarm-vest?variant=31894741057647

Fall weather soon... just sayin'... Support Rivendell, support England, 
support Cheviot sheep, and stay warm as well.  

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Riv. Camping trip, NYC, seeking route advice

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

How about Taconic State Park - Rudd Pond (just north of Millerton, NY), 
followed by Bash Bish Falls State Park further north? 

(I've been to the former, but not the latter.) You can take the Metro North 
train to Wassaic, and a good portion of the route from Wassaic to Rudd Pond 
to Bash Bish is on the Harlem Valley Rail Trail.

Bob E
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[RBW] Re: Light compatilbity question for PV-8, 6V3W, Dynamo Hub Question

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hi Roberta,

My Clem has an SV-8 hub up front that powers a B+M Lumotec IQ Premium Cyo 
headlight and a B+M Toplight on the rear rack. (The SV-8 is more ideally 
suited for smaller wheels than for the 650B wheel it's built into, but 
according to Shutter Precision, it still puts out 6V 2.4W for 26"/700C 
wheels.) It works great.

Your PV-8, with its rated 6V 3W for the 26"/700C wheels, puts out a little 
more wattage than my SV-8, so it'll be fine.

Bob E
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[RBW] Re: A few Cheviot sweaters available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Ben,

Just my take, and possibly different than others...

I think the more slim you are the more the sweaters run true to size.  That 
said, being not as slim as I would like, I sized up and that approach ended 
up working really well for me (from an XL to 2XL).  I normally wear XL 
shirts and t-shirts.

Only you can decide where you fall on the slim scale, or how you prefer 
things to fit, so advice can only go so far.  That said, the sweaters are 
beautiful, warm and of real quality.

Bob



On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:21:23 AM UTC-5, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
> Seriously tempted by a large. Anyone have any insights on sizing? I go 
> between large and xl t-shirts, wear large in a universal sized button up. 
> Do these run true, small, large? Any thoughts would help!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>
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[RBW] A few Cheviot sweaters available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I noticed there were a few of the Cheviot sweaters back up on the site.  
Small, medium and large I think.

With the weather starting to change in places, might be good to plan.  And 
hopefully once these are gone, they will order more, the sweaters and the 
sweater vests.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/cheviot-wool-sweater-preorder?variant=29463551475823

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hey Mark! Yeah, that was a really fun day, and the location couldn't be 
beat! I'd love to do that again.

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> Hi Bob! Congrats to Sylvia. Hope we can do another East Coast Riv Roundup 
> in the not too distant future.-
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Well Leah, you should know that it was photos of your Clems from your IG 
that got her interested in them! Along with your superbly equipped green El 
Clem, Mark!

Regarding those grips: She doesn't remember the brand; she bought them at a 
bike shop in Dallas a long time ago when she lived there. They're worn, but 
still feel great.

Bob

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 7:03:00 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Well, Sylvia sounds like someone I’d like to know! Send that new Rivendell 
> convert to our List here; as the famous Mean Girls movie line goes, “She 
> can sit with us.”   
>
> I’m so glad to hear of the pieces that bring her joy on her new bike. I 
> like all those same things. What grips does she have on those bars? I like 
> the look of them - like Ergons but a nicer color...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 30, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Bob Ehrenbeck > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Here's a photo of the 45 Clem L I bought for my wife, which just arrived 
> last Friday. It joins the 52 Clem H I bought as a frame in the 2015 
> original Clem presale, so we are now an official two-Clem household!
>
> Once it was out of the box and the wheels and handlebar were put on, I had 
> to put on old pedals and grips and adjust the brakes, but as soon as that 
> was done she took off and went for a quick spin around the neighborhood, in 
> love with the looks, the brilliant bronze-green color, and the ride from 
> that long wheelbase! (She also really appreciates the little details like 
> the hearts in the lugwork and the multi-colored spoke nipples!)
>
> The bike is still a work in progress, though -- I still have to transfer 
> the front rack (with a basket handmade in Ghana that she bought at the New 
> Amsterdam Bicycle Show), rear rack, and Brooks B67S saddle over from her 
> old Gary Fisher, as well as buy some pedals that she can put her half clips 
> on. Also, we're going to change out the Bosco handlebars, as they sometimes 
> get in the way of her knees. I know a longer stem might fix that, but she's 
> not crazy about the Boscos and prefers the Ahearne/Map bars that are on her 
> other bike. But overall, Sylvia is a Rivendell convert, and she is out 
> again on it today!
>
> Bob E
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes and frames for now... Bags, components, misc. to follow

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Edwin,

Agreed!  I have to be somewhere soon but I will get those prices out to the
two lists later today.  This was all done somewhat, uhhh, chaotically?  Not
quite that, but I figured I was missing some things I should be doing
differently.

Thanks,

Bob

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:04 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> Cool bikes!
>
> Tip: to see the information click on the "see more" tab on the top picture
> in the middle.
> Bob - I think you should add the prices to the post, so people don't have
> to click around a bunch to see a bike that is too cheap (haha) or too
> expensive for their budget.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> (Cross posted with the iBob list)...
>>
>> I am finally getting around to listing some bikes and frames that need to
>> find new homes.  I am planning both a move and some exploring so space and
>> becoming a little more minimalist seem important.
>>
>> I will be adding pictures and probably more information ASAP, the
>> additional I know I need (like pictures of the bags for the Brompton) as
>> well as anything requested.  Respond directly (DM) to me with any
>> questions, requests for better pictures or information, offers or intent,
>> etc.
>>
>> For now, I am only considering selling the Appaloosa and Cheviot as
>> complete bikes, and only with local pickup or possible delivery or meeting
>> (within 150 miles of 61401).  If they do not sell as completes, I will
>> probably sell the frames and components separately, but for now.. completes
>> only for the two Rivendells and the Trek.  And local pickup/delivery only
>> for the Appaloosa and the Cheviot for now.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions, problems with viewing etc.  Prices,
>> descriptions, measurements, etc. are included in the listings
>> (hopefully...).  Be sure to expand the full heading/description.  I have
>> also added a few comments to specific pictures (and will keep updating as
>> needed).  I will go back and check again but let me know if anything needed
>> is missing.
>>
>> And apologies for the pictures so far... I will try and take better ones
>> as needed.
>>
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa - 58cm frame - silver - double TT - SON/Phil
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGpFRD
>>
>> Rivendell Cheviot - 60cm frame - silver - Paul CP brakes
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGna5U
>>
>> Trek 720 (1983/84) - great bike, great build...
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnhJ5
>>
>> Brompton M6R - 2017 - very little use on this one.  I have had two other
>> Bromptons and used them almost daily.  But here in a smaller town there is
>> not much need or advantage (though traveling is always possible).
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnnLz
>>
>> Soma Saga Disc frame/forh/hs/bell!
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGob4z
>>
>> Raleigh Randonneur frame/fork/hs (Cane Creek 110)/racks/bags
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGepVV
>>
>>
>> There is at least one more (Zunow frame) I will list, maybe two, but
>> these are what I know best for now.
>>
>> Payment would be through Paypal (full goods and services) but do not
>> attempt to send payment before communicating with me.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions (directly through DM).  Like I said, I will
>> be listing more things in the next week or so, either here or on Ebay.  If
>> it seems appropriate to the group, I will try and list things here first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
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[RBW] FS: Bikes and frames for now... Bags, components, misc. to follow

[Bob Lovejoy]

(Cross posted with the iBob list)...

I am finally getting around to listing some bikes and frames that need to 
find new homes.  I am planning both a move and some exploring so space and 
becoming a little more minimalist seem important.  

I will be adding pictures and probably more information ASAP, the 
additional I know I need (like pictures of the bags for the Brompton) as 
well as anything requested.  Respond directly (DM) to me with any 
questions, requests for better pictures or information, offers or intent, 
etc.

For now, I am only considering selling the Appaloosa and Cheviot as 
complete bikes, and only with local pickup or possible delivery or meeting 
(within 150 miles of 61401).  If they do not sell as completes, I will 
probably sell the frames and components separately, but for now.. completes 
only for the two Rivendells and the Trek.  And local pickup/delivery only 
for the Appaloosa and the Cheviot for now.

Let me know of any questions, problems with viewing etc.  Prices, 
descriptions, measurements, etc. are included in the listings 
(hopefully...).  Be sure to expand the full heading/description.  I have 
also added a few comments to specific pictures (and will keep updating as 
needed).  I will go back and check again but let me know if anything needed 
is missing.

And apologies for the pictures so far... I will try and take better ones as 
needed.

Rivendell Joe Appaloosa - 58cm frame - silver - double TT - SON/Phil
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGpFRD

Rivendell Cheviot - 60cm frame - silver - Paul CP brakes
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGna5U

Trek 720 (1983/84) - great bike, great build...
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnhJ5

Brompton M6R - 2017 - very little use on this one.  I have had two other 
Bromptons and used them almost daily.  But here in a smaller town there is 
not much need or advantage (though traveling is always possible).
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnnLz

Soma Saga Disc frame/forh/hs/bell!
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGob4z

Raleigh Randonneur frame/fork/hs (Cane Creek 110)/racks/bags
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGepVV


There is at least one more (Zunow frame) I will list, maybe two, but these 
are what I know best for now.

Payment would be through Paypal (full goods and services) but do not 
attempt to send payment before communicating with me.

Let me know of any questions (directly through DM).  Like I said, I will be 
listing more things in the next week or so, either here or on Ebay.  If it 
seems appropriate to the group, I will try and list things here first.

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I've had 650B x 42 Babyshoe Pass Extralights (with tubes) on my Rawland for 
almost three years now (I mounted them just before D2R2 in 2017 to replace 
worn Hetres). That bikes sees mostly pavement (from smooth-as-glass to 
pothole-ridden and debris-strewn), but I take it off-road whenever I can on 
gravel roads, canal towpaths, and rocky singletrack. I haven't had a flat 
yet.

Bob E
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[RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Joe,

If you're really considering picking up a 45 Clem L, you should know that 
my wife just snagged a 45 yesterday (the bronze green color, her first 
Riv), so there's one less in the inventory.

Soon, we'll be a two-Clem household (Clem H + Clem L)!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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>
> I'm trying to think of a reason why I need a 45cm copy of Leah's gorgeous 
> blue Clem(entine) even though I just spent a comical amount of money on a 
> custom and sold my grilver Clem(entine) frame. I'll think of something! 浪 
>   
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Riv-ish Kids Bike (20")

[Bob Keal]

Hi Folks,

Roberta, thanks for the lead! A CL bike is probably what I *should've*
done, but I zeroed in on an orange Cleary Owl (20") based on Nathan's tips,
and I found a shop in Haverford, PA (Mechanic Cycling) that does trade-ups
for kids' bikes. Cleary also has a 3-speed conversion kit that I could grab
next summer if it seems like gears are a good idea at that point. Plus, the
orange will sort of match my Sam, and it'll look great with the pink grips
she's been eyeing.

Ultimately, riding is something we do every day together, so I figured
spending just north of $400 on her bike was pretty justifiable. Gob knows I
spent many times more than that on my own bikes, and she'll ride the heck
out of this thing.

Thanks again for the ideas, everyone!

Bob K. in Baltimore

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 7:43 AM Roberta  wrote:

> On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 10:09:34 AM UTC-4, Bob K. wrote:
> > Hey Folks,
> >
> >
> > It's been a while since I've posted here. I hope you all are doing well
> amidst all this chaos!
> >
> >
> >
> > I am in search of a Riv-ish 20" bike for my daughter. She's five and a
> half, but she's tall for her age (~80th percentile, so think six-year old
> size), and she is very competent on a single speed bike with a stomp brake.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Bob K. in Baltimore
>
> Bob,
>
> I sent you a PM on a lead.  I know that half my Google group messages go
> to my spam folder, not to inbox, so please also check there.
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Riv-ish Kids Bike (20")

[Bob Keal]

Thanks again for the suggestions, everyone. Still hoping someone will come
through with a used bike offer...Woom and Cleary would be at the top of the
list there, but I'm open, so let me know what you have!

I'm hoping to avoid the big bike companies if I buy new, although there are
some tempting steeds out there (Specialized Rip Rock 20" coaster, for one).
I'm also hoping to avoid bottom-of-the-barrel CL bikes because I don't want
to spend time wrenching because I have too many other things to build/fix!

If nothing materializes here or on CL, I'm leaning toward a single speed
Cleary Owl, and I found a shop in Philly/Haverford, PA that does a trade-up
program for when she grows out of it. They're pricier than I'd like, but if
only half-ish of it is "sunk cost," I'm game. Waiting to hear back from
them about drop shipping directly to me, or else I'll buy straight from
Cleary.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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> Try and chase down a Woom bike, they are excellent and superbly designed.
> Very bob/Riv ish
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv-ish Kids Bike (20")

[Bob K.]

Thanks for the info on Cleary, Nathan! I'll look into it.

Yes, the $200 price range is perhaps a bit optimistic. I would really like 
to stick with well cared for used bikes if at all possible, though, and 
then I can pass it along to another lister in a few years. 

Thanks again,

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms Season!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Takashi, your photos are stunningly beautiful!

Here in NJ, all parks are closed due to COVID-19, so I took some photos of 
the cherry tree in my yard instead:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-8Iwz6F3us/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

In normal years, I head over to Branch Brook Park in Newark for the annual 
Bloomfest, where one would see scenes like this (these pics are from last 
year's event):
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwQY7sAl7_Q/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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